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One week with the fuze (almost) thoughts..

Well Tomorrow will mark one week with the fuze and I'm not really sure if I'm as thrilled with it as I should be for the 300 bones.
I was lucky enough to have a Real HTC touch pro before my fuze which I sold when I found out it would not do 3g. Over all I was happy with it. I paid 500 for it and didnt really feel bad about it. Everything just seemed to work. The light sensor the g sensor all worked on cue. The menus were snappy and even the gps worked flawlessly. The reception didnt just randomly go out.
This is what I expected from the fuze and its been a major let down. My sister was supose to get one with me the same day and opted for the iphone and after the week with the fuze I'm half tempted to go get an iphone.
Has any one else had the same post touch pro experiance with their fuze? Should I wait a week or two and take it bak for a diffrent one and see if a later build helps?
I hate to say this but I'm really liking the iphone it just works. If I didnt travel overseas so much I would prob just go get one tmrw but I hate the idea of being locked down to the damn att sim when I'm outside the US.
Thoughts?

What problems are you having? Mine is working great! Much snappier than my Tilt!

Yeah, after flashing I have no issues that are bugging me in any way. Battery seems to be doing pretty good and all around has been very stable.

no regrets with my fuze either. there are some minor issues, but nothing that can sway me to iphone. I just love the ability to do all kinds of things on the fuze that u can't do on iphone
and yeah...what problem are you referring to!? flash the rom if you're referring to the AT&T ROM...that thing is filled with junk and makes the phone run way too slow. I flashed with ROMeOS2 1.40. Not perfect, but damned close to it. Should give it a try when you get a chance!
And fortunately, battery life is good on my fuze. I'm definitely squeezing more juice out of it than my friend's iphone can. Not to mention i'm going to be getting a spare battery soon~

Well, you can unlock the iPhone so that you're not tied to an ATT sim I just unlocked, jailbroke and fake activated one for my brother in law to use with T-Mobile and he is loving it.
That said, the first thing I will do with my Fuze when it arrives is to get rid of the bloated ATT ROM it comes with. That always makes a world of difference. Don't go iPhone until you try that

I've had mine since Friday. I used the stock ATT ROM for about a day, then I flashed to NotATreoFan's ROM, which is basically the stock ROM with all the junk removed.
I upgraded from the Tilt, and so far this thing is MUCH snappier than the Tilt, much lighter and a little smaller (although still thick).
The only thing flaky for me so far is the GPS. It just takes a long time to get a lock (although I've been trying indoors and not outside). I haven't driven with it to test the lag issue that people are talking about. My Tilt would pickup a lock in my living room within 30 seconds most of the time, always under a minute. The Fuze seems to take 2-5 minutes. I'm not sure if its GPS antenna just isn't as strong for indoor use or what.
I flashed to the Blackstone radio today and so far my reception seems to be 1-2 bars better than the stock radio, but it hasn't helped GPS any.

I've only had my Fuze since Friday (when it was released down here) and my only major gripe is the left/right Dpad buttons. I just end up avoiding them alltogether.

hondaguyjoe said:
Well Tomorrow will mark one week with the fuze and I'm not really sure if I'm as thrilled with it as I should be for the 300 bones.
I was lucky enough to have a Real HTC touch pro before my fuze which I sold when I found out it would not do 3g. Over all I was happy with it. I paid 500 for it and didnt really feel bad about it. Everything just seemed to work. The light sensor the g sensor all worked on cue. The menus were snappy and even the gps worked flawlessly. The reception didnt just randomly go out.
This is what I expected from the fuze and its been a major let down. My sister was supose to get one with me the same day and opted for the iphone and after the week with the fuze I'm half tempted to go get an iphone.
Has any one else had the same post touch pro experiance with their fuze? Should I wait a week or two and take it bak for a diffrent one and see if a later build helps?
I hate to say this but I'm really liking the iphone it just works. If I didnt travel overseas so much I would prob just go get one tmrw but I hate the idea of being locked down to the damn att sim when I'm outside the US.
Thoughts?
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The fuze , ahh how we all wanted it badly and waited month by month for its epic release. I, for one, am underwhelmed by the fuze, though not by comparison to any other phone.
It just seems that the phone is capable of so much, but theres not much to do on the device. Like i get bored with the phone it seems. I am seriously contemplating returning the device this week, and just returning to my nokia e71, which is a superb phone.
Just my two cents guys.
thanks
ak88

My two cents:
Love the phone.
Only bad part:
Finger print magnet
Slides other way to tilt =/ I got used to it though
Major gripe!:
Fking! enter is too big! and backspace is too small! ugh. I use on-screen keyboard mostly though since the vga resolution is much more responsive. Or it's just a mental thing.

Allright one issue is the gps is flaky... but everyone seems to be having some kind of issue with the gps. Locking on is a bit hit or miss and when I do get a lock my speed just goes to 0 randomly in igo8 then back up to the speed then 0. My Touch pro did none of this.
Second issue is it just randomly looses reception and will take a min or 2 to regain it. its almost like it switches into flight mode then out randomly.
For some reason I get alot of "message failed to send would you like to resend" happend four times yesterday and I had recetion the entire time.
As far as the bloat goes Im currently running it bloat free. I did the reset after intial setup to bypass the AT&T crap load, then ran the milan file and the security file. What is the diffrence with this to flashing the rom?
I agree with ak88 the phone is seems like the phone could be so capable alot of cool stuff but it was just hurried out or something. Maybe it would be better to just take it back and pick it back up in a few months when all you wizards of roms fix the damn thing.
I just wish my 8525s gps was built in :-( Id be on my way back to at&t right now and get my money back. Maybe I will super glue my gps to the back of it

Love my Fuze and all the baggage it brings.
Sorry to tell you but no phone with all these capablities will just work.
My uncle pulled out the Sprint touch pro and showed it to me yesterday. He was mad exited.
This the movement my man.
get under the HTC umbrella or get rained on

ayoo456 said:
Sorry to tell you but no phone with all these capablities will just work.
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I dont really agree with that. There are other phones on the market with the same specs that do just work.
Don't get me wrong Im all about HTC my 8525 is great. I guess it will just take a bit to get the bugs worked out.

Worth it! The only problem I have is the battery. It won't even last 12 hours!
I am really think it is my battery. I will try to get a new battery from the manufacturer since the stores don't have the batteries yet, at least here in NY.

I love the phone so far.
I hate to say it but I haven't seen one device in the last 5 years (which does more than just answer calls and send texts) that just works right out of the box with no modifications or settings change. I haven't exactly tried all of them either.
The more functionality you add the more issues you introduce, plain and simple. Look at the iphone...they locked most of the functionality from the users but also reduced a lot of bugs. Once the app store came into play look at how many more firmware updates they have had to fix issues yet still lack basic functionality.
The G1? Major security flaws right out of the gate and had to update twice now I think if I remember right just to keep it secure at all.
My wife's Razr though...0 issues...but you can do almost nothing on it.
/rant

I like my new Fuze.
I'm hoping to score the Euro TP backshell, the rubberized fauceted version, so it isn't such a finger print magnet.
It's all about putting on the custom ROMs. Waaay better than the ATT stock ROM that you get out of the box.

i have both the iPhone and the Fuze. both are really cool. but side by side, the Fuze is WAY better.
iPhone battery life is a joke.
the Fuze battery is nothing wonderful, but it is hands down better than the iPhone. not to mention, the Fuze's battery is user replaceable. the Iphone you have to send to Apple to change the battery. which is what you have to do after 400 charges.....
and just wait for the developer to package all the tweaks together in one 'super' rom. the Fuze will rule....

The seventh day...
I have had my Fuze since Tuesday last. Here are my initial impressions.
1. Got rid of TF3D - it is beautiful and very slick, but not an efficient use of the home screen. I switched to running PocketBreeze in full screen mode and using phoneAlarm and the 2day4pay skin as my today screen. Now I can launch my favorite programs with 2 touches at most and get a better handle on my day's activities at a glance. I will miss that very sweet weather animation however.
2. The GPS thing. Yep. Had it. Ran GPS Test until I got a fix and have not had a problem with Goog Maps ever since. Lag? I am not seeing it at all and I am driving through the streets of Providence (enough small streets for the lag to show itself, not enough tall buildings to shade the satellite signal).
3. The BlueTooth thing (where the sound - when you answer and incoming call - disappears). Yep. Had that too and that - my friends - could have been the deal breaker. But I deleted all my headset pairings. When I re-paired them I started with a non-A2DP-supporting headset (JawBone 2). When I paired my A2DP one (Plantronics something with the removable second earpiece) I only got one option under the advanced settings: "Stereo...". Before, I got "HandsFree" and "Stereo...". Since the Plantronics is set, I have sound when answering calls on all 3 BT sets I use (JB2, Plantronics and BlueAnt V1).
Other than that, I miss the scroll wheel - though less than I thought I would and - in general, really like the design (fingerprint magnetics aside). I am now about to find out how well the battery lives off the charger and know I have some work to do to get the thing to hand-up the 3G connection quickly after downloading data as that is a big battery drain.

Summarizing as everybody else:
unusable 5-way pad (undeterministic behavior) unless one does special finger acrobatics
bad/underperforming 3G/H
very slow to lock GPS
broken AGPS
GPS still a huge battery drain (compared to SiRFIII)
useless PTT button unless one hacks it
fairly useless smart touch scroll and not a good replacement for the missing jog-wheel
volume buttons fairly useless for anything else (although plus of volume control anytime), and can't be used as jog-wheel.
slider that blocks the volume and PTT buttons
auto backlight never dims below 3
ATT logo eating screen space in Manila
pointless HOME button
low GLbenchmark values (worst than even Touch Pro)
finger-print magnet on all surfaces and will actually start crusting (unlike Kaiser)
cheap-plastic back that starts wearing immediately on the diamond "points"
So, the major bads. The good is well-mentioned already.

This is my first smartphone, so I'm less knowledgable than most.
But I can already tell that I should be getting much faster HSDPA speeds. Also GPS has never worked for me. I also wish it could be a bit snappier when rotating.
Though this is my first smartphone, I've already replaced the default themes, have already done regedit tweaks for speed, HSDPA, PTT button reassignment, etc.
I'd like to think I'm coming along nicely, but I want to know if I should try to replace the stock AT&T rom with ROMeO

My 2 Cent's
I agree with much of what has already been said (so i'll not repeat it) We are the early adopters and living on the tech edge we share our findings here and the many who unlock, tinker & cook take their own ideas and our observations and try to make these devices better. There is a cost for living on the edge. Just my thoughts on the matter. I have a Fuze and will flash until I am happy or until I move on to something else (had an iphone for about 3 weeks and sold it because I felt too restricted and was tired of re-jail breaking it)
cheers
BR

Is the fuze discontinued?

I went to the att website to find out the price of the fuze and realized that its not there anymore. Is the fuze discontinued? Is att coming out whit a upgrade soon?

mackdaddy09 said:
I went to the att website to find out the price of the fuze and realized that its not there anymore. Is the fuze discontinued? Is att coming out whit a upgrade soon?
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I believe it has been. The AT&T Touch Pro 2 (Tilt 2) is rumored to be released on October 18th.

they dont discontinue it cause a new one is on its way. if it has a section for zip code then its prolly cutting out some of the phones. i know many of the stores in houston are still selling the fuze and the tilt. the phone hasnt been out even a year. everyone with a fuze is still under warranty and everything.

Actually they have discontinued it. I went to an AT&T Replacement store and they would replace the battery for my Fuze because they told me the fuze is discontinued.

It just barely disappeared from the website, but you haven't been able to get it since late August.
My Tilt gave out about then (company phone), and I went it to have it replaced with what I assumed would be a Fuze. There wasn't any there, and when they looked, there was only one in the entire state, and the store that had it wouldn't send it down. They claimed they could order one, but I doubt it would ever have come.
It's pretty clear in hindsight that they were clearing inventory ahead of the TP2 coming out (supposedly) October 18. I think they jumped the gun by a month or so, but hey, if you can't get a Fuze, that's a perfect chance to try to sell an iPhone, right?

hollywould said:
Actually they have discontinued it. I went to an AT&T Replacement store and they would replace the battery for my Fuze because they told me the fuze is discontinued.
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can't get a new battery? D: or you can?

I was just on the att website and i saw they have a phone called the htc pure. I do you guess believe this phone is the fuze replacement?

mackdaddy09 said:
I was just on the att website and i saw they have a phone called the htc pure. I do you guess believe this phone is the fuze replacement?
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Fuze is basically an HTC Touch Pro. The "Pure" is based on the HTC Touch Diamond 2. AT&T will also carry the HTC Touch Pro 2 as the "Tilt 2".
In other words, the manufacturing cycle for Touch Pro / Fuze is over. The Fuze device is not rolling off the assembly line anymore. Instead, AT&T has ordered volumes of the HTC Diamond 2 (Pure) and HTC Touch Pro 2 )Tilt 2) from HTC.
Get it?
BTW, I am in the market for a used Fuze in decent condition. PM me if you have one to sell.

I don't like either of the new phones. The Pure looks like the regular diamond. The screen is no bigger then the Fuze (maybe a tad longer).
The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim x51v. It is about the same size as an iPhone but thicker. Too bad it is identical to the Fuze as far as processor/memory/camera goes.
I like the idea of a bigger screen, but I can't justify spending $300+ for just a new feature. My Fuze already has a newer WM build than Tilt2 out of the box. Just seems expensive for what they are.
I'm holding out. I hear AT&T is picking up the Omnia II which is same screen res but 800mhz proc. 5MP camera too. Or wait for the HTC Leo

I agree with you. I moved from the Wiz AkA Cingular 8125 to the FUZE last fall. So you can see what a big jump that was. The pure and Tilt 2 is a short coming. Same specs just repackaged. I will wait and hope ATT gets the new HD2 (Leo) or something of that caliber.
I can’t thank XDA enough for being the best community for people who share the same passion.
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I don't like either of the new phones. The Pure looks like the regular diamond. The screen is no bigger then the Fuze (maybe a tad longer).
The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim x51v. It is about the same size as an iPhone but thicker. Too bad it is identical to the Fuze as far as processor/memory/camera goes.
I like the idea of a bigger screen, but I can't justify spending $300+ for just a new feature. My Fuze already has a newer WM build than Tilt2 out of the box. Just seems expensive for what they are.
I'm holding out. I hear AT&T is picking up the Omnia II which is same screen res but 800mhz proc. 5MP camera too. Or wait for the HTC Leo
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Yea since the Tilt2 and Pure (TP2 TD2) came to AT&T, i've been really looking at my Fuze. I love the fact that XDA is great and allows my Fuze to be more then what it actually was developed for. With that said I was never really happy with my Fuze. I think it is the thickness that really kills it. The microphone is horrible too... I'm always getting complaints that background noise is SO bad on my phone (and I've gone through a couple units).
I was really happy with my Dell Axim x51v which could pretty much do anything, except make calls. The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim but it just seems like a side step to the fuze then a step up.
Seems all current HTC phones max out at 528mhz. I can't really say whether AT&T will top their new phones in a few short months. I'd love to wait around for the Leo but I seriously doubt AT&T will get it for a year or so (if at all). US Carriers never pick up the awesome phones.
Perhaps the Leo will be the upgrade to the Pure next year.

I'm actually on my 3rd FUZE. It's not a bad phone, I agree... It is a bit brickish... Also its very top heavy.
I would have to agree with the speakerphone.... Even using voice command... I have to repeat the command like 10 thousand times when its not dead silence.
But other then that, its got some great roms (Tael&Energy) and it does not look like they are going to be giving up on the phone anytime soon.
The last phone had an issue with white screen, and the phone randomly hard resetted.
They infomed me the last call that the next issue I have, I would be able to do an upgrade due to all of the problems I have been experiencing.
That was about a month ago (seems like when I get close to the endlife of my warranty the phones go nuts. I guess part of me is lucky that it does not happen until after the warranty expired)
My phone has been dropping calls like crazy for the past week, regardless of the rom, even the stock AT&T rom. Even when I put my girls sim in, same issue.... So I guess it's time to call AT&T...
If they are going to exchange the phone, I really would like to get the Tilt2.
I know if I call them now, they are going to end up giving me trouble or me getting suck with a blackberry or iphone...lol
Anyone else have this problem? How long should I wait... I've never ran into this problem before.

I got my first Fuze because my Tilt had the random white screen issue. It was the 3rd tilt I returned, so they let me upgrade to the Fuze. This was also a few months ago. I ended up getting my second Fuze (which I still have now) because of the trap door on the back coming loose 2 days after I got it.
I do see the issues coming right around 60-90 days after I get the phones. I am wondering if this one will have an issue too Course, I do get my upgrade in November.

I just checked my ATT account... The Fuze is listed as out of stock online, they are showing BOTH the Pure and Tilt 2 now as available upgrades.
The Pure is listed with a 5.0 MP camera, Tilt 2 has 3.2. Both have the same amount of Ram and Rom size as the Fuze... I thought the Tilt2 was supposed to be a little better?

I've had my Fuze about 3 months via a free upgrade (from my Tilt) from AT&T. I know there are better phones out there, but I have been very happy with waiting for things to get fully utilized and most bugs worked out of them before I adopt.
Now, can someone point me to where a fix for the Comm Manager ON/OFF Icons can be found. I have been searching the XDA forums without any luck! I will post a separate thread for it...

PhantomYoda said:
I just checked my ATT account... The Fuze is listed as out of stock online, they are showing BOTH the Pure and Tilt 2 now as available upgrades.
The Pure is listed with a 5.0 MP camera, Tilt 2 has 3.2. Both have the same amount of Ram and Rom size as the Fuze... I thought the Tilt2 was supposed to be a little better?
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yes i know its weird how pure and tilt 2 differs ESPECIALLY with camera quality, HTC shouldve been fair enough to slap a 5MP camera on the Rhodium instead of a crappy 3.2mp we got on the Fuze, anyways, specs are the same as well, but the fact that when i looked at the review videos...it seems like the Rhodium seems faster and flawless, but still same specs
youre lucky that u have an upgrade in Nov, mine is next Nov xD
i would definitely buy the tilt 2 for the better keyboard and big screen and battery life but whats holding me back is the LED Flash....thats a useful thing for me to have because i use it as a flashlight if i dont have one in hand
The Jack of Clubs said:
they dont discontinue it cause a new one is on its way. if it has a section for zip code then its prolly cutting out some of the phones. i know many of the stores in houston are still selling the fuze and the tilt. the phone hasnt been out even a year. everyone with a fuze is still under warranty and everything.
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the AT&T store i went to not too long ago doesnt carry the device anymore which i think is insane! it doesnt make sense to me and some people that why pull out a great phone for a newer one thats got the same specs?and its not even a year old yet? Verizon and Sprint still have their TPs out on display along with the TP2. AT&T should smack their heads back together and put the FUZE back up on the displays over here in this area or anywhere, at least until they get their hands on the Leo, if thats possible....

TP2 or Imagio?

I have the TP2 VZW, and yes, it's a very nice phone. I can't seem to get by the weight though. I always notice it and even pulls at my belt in the holster. Keyboard is great, but could live without it. Anyone else considering the Imagio?
Wish I could put them side to side....
I'm sure XDA will add it to they supported listed when enough get out there.

welll yea the imagio is a 1/3 lighter and the camera is slightly better and way more custimizable and at the same price why not but we need someone to post some deffinitve pictures but as far as weight ita 6.17 oz compared to 4.15 so make that call and post a review

It's really all about the keyboard. If you will never use it then it's just a bunch of extra weight/thickness. If you think you will use it, then get it to be safe. It is the deal breaker.

First off all the easy way now is just to go to Verizon's site and "check" the 2 phones and click compare to see the differences. If you trust Verizon's specs then pdadb.net is not accurate for the CDMA model.
I just turned in my TP2 and have a Imagio coming. I did it as even though the keyboard is awesome and I could type very fast, I am just not a heavy text/emailing. Well I do a lot of reading, not as much writing. So for the extra 2 MP on the camera and the lighter weight I went for the Imagio.
It truly comes down to the keyboard and the camera and how important they are to you.
Edit: In particular PDADB quotes specs are 1/3 lighter but Verizon specs show it being only 1.1 oz apart

Here's a bit of a comparison to the TP2, though it's mostly a review.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYXspSlLmZg

i ordered the imagio this morning and it looks like it should be here thursday. that said, i am posting this from my tp2 using the slideout keyboard and thinking that i may have to give the imagio to my girlfriend if i can't live without the keyboard. ill report back when i get the imagio

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First off all the easy way now is just to go to Verizon's site and "check" the 2 phones and click compare to see the differences. If you trust Verizon's specs then pdadb.net is not accurate for the CDMA model.
I just turned in my TP2 and have a Imagio coming. I did it as even though the keyboard is awesome and I could type very fast, I am just not a heavy text/emailing. Well I do a lot of reading, not as much writing. So for the extra 2 MP on the camera and the lighter weight I went for the Imagio.
It truly comes down to the keyboard and the camera and how important they are to you.
Edit: In particular PDADB quotes specs are 1/3 lighter but Verizon specs show it being only 1.1 oz apart
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I believe PDADB was stated as WRONG in another thread. I have the dimensions and weights scribbled out at work.
How did you turn your TP2 in for the imagio? Was this all online/customer service?

I'm considering turning mine in to. I'm under the 30 day free trial. I really like the tp2, but can't get by the weight issue. To be honest, I love the look of TouchPro 2 with Touch Flow, but I loaded spb 3.5 and OH MY! Not as pretty , but less key strokes to get where your going, and if your not happy, just customize it to whatever you want. I swear memory usage went down too, and I know apps pop up faster. I have to use Pocket Informat so the pretty calendar is no loss.

TV Out capability?
Anyone know if the TV Out capability of the TP2 is still there in the Imagio?

Those that got a TP2, I called VZ and if you are in the 30 day, you CAN return, but you have to use the return label.
If you buy a imagio at full price, the rep stated you will get the credit, and the 2 year pricing credit, but it can take up to 2 billing cycles for the credits. That's my only option since the TP2 was bought online.
You might want to call to verify that, but that's what I got when I called. I should have asked her to add notes to the account, but I'm still thinking about it all.

SD_Martin said:
Anyone know if the TV Out capability of the TP2 is still there in the Imagio?
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I don't think anyone is getting an imagio until tomorrow (using the free overnight VZ code). The imagio was just up on the VZ site today for sale (internet only)

I thought about it...I rely on the keyboard and the 2MP extra on the camera is not that important because I carry a real camera with me and I actually think the 3MP on the TP2 is decent in a snap, also I don't plan on paying 15 bucks extra a month for the Verizon TV so its a no go.
I'm just hoping the HD2 doesn't come out before my contract is up. I have 10 more days before I can return my fantastic TP2.

Those who do get the Imagio - PLEASE...
If you do get the Imagio, please post your comments on it particularly:
1) What you love
2) What you miss over the TP2
And, most important to me:
A) Is battery life better or worse compared to TP2, and
B) Is the EARPIECE LOUDER stock out of the box, without any tweaks.
I, and probably a few others, would really appreciate it.

i am going through the same thing all it comes down to is this
Touch Pro2
Pros: - Stereo Speakers
- Noise Canceling Mics​-slide out keyboard (for those who use it)​
Cons - Weight
- No wimno 6.5 (until hspl or vzw releases it)​- Thickness​
Imagio
Pros: - 5mp Camera
- flotv (for who ever wants it)​- Thinner and Lighter​
Con: - no keyboard
(the fact that it doesnt have a d-pad is the gripe for me)

Have been using Imagio for a few days now. Love it.
I don't own a TP2, but played with my co-worker's TP2 for a while. You can definitly feel the difference of weight and thickness.
All the phones I've used in past have a keyboard, either 9-key or full keyboard. I thought I can't live without keyboard, but actually I'm okay with the on-screen keyboard, and type fast enough to reply some emails. The only thing I really miss is the jog dial on my old Hermes. When reading text (I like reading novels while my wife is shopping), I can use one hand to hold the phone and my thumb will be right on the jog dial. I can easily scroll up/down. Now I have to move my thumb to touch the screen to scroll, then move it back so my thumb don't block my sight.
Everthing else works great. Camera is okay, without flash, you can't expect a lot when it's dark. I like the FM Radio too.
Now if I can have Manila 2.5 on it I'll be very very happy. Hope Verizon/HTC will release an official update for it.

rhinology:
How is the earpiece volume? The TP2 is very low and can be dificult to hear with any background noise. Oh, and is it true the Imagio won't do landscape for keyboard? Ouch, that may be my dealbreaker right there!

I have the tp2 and my gf has the imagio its basically the same phone. I cant deal with just a touchscreen because it gets irritating i like having the option to jus whip my keyboard out and start typing.
The Touch Pro 2s battery life is much better. A full charge on both phones the touch pro 2 still has 2 bars the next morning while the imagios battery is either dead or 1 bar left running ive noticed this most of this week with both phones around me.

deadwrong03 said:
I have the tp2 and my gf has the imagio its basically the same phone. I cant deal with just a touchscreen because it gets irritating i like having the option to jus whip my keyboard out and start typing.
The Touch Pro 2s battery life is much better. A full charge on both phones the touch pro 2 still has 2 bars the next morning while the imagios battery is either dead or 1 bar left running ive noticed this most of this week with both phones around me.
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What percent are they at really in the morning? Install the 1% fix to really compare?
And are the settings 100% the same? Same gmail download times? Same checking of weather, push internet on or off?
I would guess that you are saying the stock IM, 6.5 is a battery hog?
Please elaborate!

syntrix said:
What percent are they at really in the morning? Install the 1% fix to really compare?
And are the settings 100% the same? Same gmail download times? Same checking of weather, push internet on or off?
I would guess that you are saying the stock IM, 6.5 is a battery hog?
Please elaborate!
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the settings are pretty much the same we do light browsing maybe 20 mins browsing texting and phone calls like every couple hours 15-20 mins. the only consitent app we both have running is palringo in the background which is a rather light app. I configured both the only thing is she wanted her Imagio set to check for emails every 15 mins mines is set to 30 mins. Now i leave my bluetooth on all day and hers is off unless shes using it. Her battery is roughly at 10 or 5% the next morning if its not powered off.
from my light usage of her phone i havent seen push internet on her phone like it says Push Internet on my browser tab. i dont have any set on my tp2 since i read that could be a waste on battery

ok, so they ARE different, and usage is different. You have 1/2 the data usage as hers based on email checks. Hardly a controlled experiment

Shopping...so many choices. Please weigh in.

Back story - I have a HTC Fuze (Raphael) and it was my first advanced smart phone. Been on those little grey screen nokias until this phone. So I totally got into the whole fuss and fury of hacking the heck of phone. But as time has progressed it seem I may have gotten one of the worst HTC phones made. For a bit I even decided to dislike all HTC's on that basis alone. Anyway, I finally settled on just a basic ROM and a few addon's. The most important for this phone (and AT&T service) was the ability from Advanced Config to lock my phone to Edge. (Yep been on Edge now for 1.5yrs as 3G would never hold on this phone. )
This past weekend I was THIS close to putting this thing into a wall. I have rebooted at least 10 times in last week for lost TOWER (not just signal), non-responsive screen, and complete freezes.
Went window shopping today. Here are the results and hoping to get feedback of all kinds. (I need more than the sales person's comments...) Please talk about service and phone if you feel like.
HTC Aria (AT&T) - Small, well tiny actually. Almost as small a screen as my Fuze. It is Android so that is a plus as I think I am burnt on WinMo. Very nice screen and decent functionality [in store]. Heard a rumor about bad speakers on this.
iPhone 4 (AT&T) - I actually tried the 3G but hated it so much I returned it for the Fuze. This was before the OS release that allowed landscape keyboard and MMS. (No need for nekkid pics of GF to be on AT&T site and me not to be able to download.) The 4 looks interesting, but not sure I like the iPhone premise really. I do not want a zillion aps to waste time. I just need about 4...map/weather/....ok two I can think of... The screen is freeking incredible though and the sales guy was right, you can read a web page without zooming with the letters basically at a 2 font size...that is good.
HD2 (T-Mobile) - HUGE screen and this is one of my top request for next phone. I want lots of real estate. I am 6'1" 240lbs and a power lifter, I have thick fingers and a big head... Small phones are like me on a Vespa. The TMo version of this phone 'sounds' like it is very limited (according to threads here). Also heard stuff about that pink stripe in pics. I like that camera is 5megapixel but really want the pics to look ok. It is still a WinMo phone and that is a bummer, but not a deal killer I guess. (Is it 6.5 or 6.1? The ladies in store were clueless.)
Evo (Sprint) - Again with the giant screen, love it. This is the top of my list for phone choices at moment, but there is one non-phone related issue here. No international coverage for a CDMA phone and I tend to travel once in a while. (Have to find out if worth it to get a second pre-paid or whatever next time I travel.) The Evo is Android and I think it is time for me to try that out. The camera is EIGHT megapixels and I basically use my camera as a back up to my point and shot. Like for real...when on a motorcycle sometimes the camera is out of reach...the phone substitutes when I am not ready to park and dig in saddle bags. 4G is not really a yes/no for me as I probably won't have it in my neighborhood and will most likely go to 3G for most of my use of phone (Dude in store said you can set phone to not use 4G.)
So my wish list is....big screen, good software, great camera, good reception, decent costs. Weighed in that order for me.
Thoughts? Help a confused shopper out.
(ps...I am just guessing this a good forum for this post. Mods let me now if it needs moved.)

Has to be HD2 great pice of kit yes its 6.5 and there are a lot of good roms in the hd2 thread that get the best out of the device IMO

Evo4 and HD2 are basically the same phone with different radio chips. Only issue I have with the Evo is the battery life is supposed to be rated in minutes not hours. LOL being a little sarcastic but I heard its not good at all. I personally think the tmo HD2 is better then the unlock int version. Has more memory and says tmobile on it and all. By far my vote is the HD2. Plays any video I download on the internet thats under 2GB with sound in sync and no dropped frames, touch screen rivals the iphone, they just cracked the linux kernal for it so we should see a usable port of android within months. Plus I'm not sold on winmo7. I think like XP we may see cooked roms taking peices of WINMO7 and cooking them into 6.5. But anyways think back with Winmo first came out and how buggy it was. If WM7 is a true rebuild then all our cool players, and mods won't work on it so even if WM7 comes out in Oct 10 I could see holding off till 2012 to make the switch. At least till the software catches up. I think when WM7 comes out your going to find were actually quite spoiled when it comes to apps and phone stuff. Also I signed up for Tmobile Flex pay plan with 500 daytime minutes, unlimited TXT and unlimited data for $68 total tax included. Service has been great! Faster then Verizon and ATT but doesn't tower hop as well. Occasionally I will run through my buffer before the next tower really takes over. This just results in 5 seconds of silence or blacked out video ,then it comes back.

Ok, so two votes for the HD2. Wanna hear the emotional/silly arguement I am having with self...HD2 already old tech.
Yep, do I want to miss out on 1ghz and 8 megapixels....grrr.

Done....money laid down...sexiest phone I have had is now mine. I couldn't decide. I was even thinking about waiting for the new Samsung or Droid X.
I let fate decided. First one avail I was taking.
I know have the Evo!!!!
All I can say...(and I have)...is Giggidy giggidy!!!

3 votes for Leo
Leo is a great device, super screen and fast enough to run smoothly WM6.5.3
I am sure Chefs and Devs @XDA will manage some how to port WP7 on it

For what its worth I heard the Evo4 is BA! Only gripe I've heard is battery life and this can be minimized by settings and an extended pack. You'll enjoy it. Hell its the same phone as the HD2 but different radio.

Go with the Samsung Galaxy S on T-Mobile.
Leaked pictures have shown that it will be sold at retail for 329.99 USD.
Super AMOLED + a kickass GPU that blows (currently) the GPU used in the iPad and the iPhone4.
With the 1 Ghz hummingbird chip currently besting the Snapdragon (until Qualcomm releases their dual-core update later this year through Project Emerald?), it is the best bang for your buck money can buy right now.
However, the HD2 has the sexiest shell-design you'll ever see in a phone. The Galaxy S will feel a little plasticky and cheap compared to the HD2. Even the EVO looks subpar against the HD2. That's how much love we're talking here with regards to the HD2's shell design.

i wish i had the freedom to change networks whenever i wanted, the evo looks like a beast of a phone and the epic 4g looks pretty sweet as well.

SO I played with the HTC Arrive today

Training device at the story, had my share of time with it today, checked it all out.
Pretty nice keyboard and tilt mechanism, hardware felt awesome in the hand. Software is definitely behind though, multitasking is a no go, software really isnt there for landscape yet which is a bummer with the keyboard.
Netflix worked great however.
Just posting in case anyone here had planned to switch from the epic, I can answer any questions about it too.
Sorry about the blurriness of a few of the pics, I was in a bit of a rush(the public isn't supposed to be seeing the device yet, so taking pictures isn't exactly easy )

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Its a windows phone isn't it? How is the smoothness of.it.compared to.the.epic?
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Its a windows phone isn't it? How is the smoothness of.it.compared to.the.epic?
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Pics up.
Oh don't get me wrong, it's very fast, everything loads really quickly.
Sometimes the transitions get annoying when you're just trying to be done with something..it's pretty though.
The worst culprit is the weather in the HTC hub, switching between cities does this whole cloud moving crazy popup thing, it looks pretty cool but takes about 5 seconds and could be very annoying if you're just trying to check the weather in a hurry.
Apps load really quickly, Netflix took about a minute to load up the app and get into a movie on 3g, quality seemed pretty good.
Battery life seemed good, although I had no percentages to work with, it didn't seem to drain that bad.
One thing I noticed though: In the marketplace, larger apps like 3d games can't be downloaded over 3g, it says "Wifi or PC Connection Required"

Really looking to try a WP7 phone, so thanks for this! Did you get a chance to test out the camera, and was the screen any good?
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Really looking to try a WP7 phone, so thanks for this! Did you get a chance to test out the camera, and was the screen any good?
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The camera I only took one picture, it seemed pretty clear! I'll try it more tomorrow and let you know.
The screen and type were very crystal clear, it's SLCD and looks absolutely fantastic, not QUITE the Epic but very good.

Also did you have a problem with the screen being 3.6" instead of 4"
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I'm not a windows fan but that phone doesn't.look to bad. I've never really.played with one before.
Sent From My Evo Killer!

I'm swapping out my HTC Hero for the HTC Arrive on the 20th. Can't wait.

that looks sexy but um yeah.... not into that whole hinge tilt stuff and windows phone 7 is just not hooking me.

I actually really like the tilt feature. It works like a kickstand for the screen so you can use your phone as a desk clock better or watch movies with no hands. I wish there was a tilting android phone.
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Reminds me of the TP2 keyboard/tilt. That was the best, most responsive keyboard on a phone I've had.
I'd gladly trade my Epic keyboard for an HTC one... you know if it had a 4" SAMOLED screen...

I love the look of this phone it's just like a perfect hardware specs tp2 and that tilt screen is the one and only thing I miss from my tp2, but WP7 can suck it!! If only HTC released this the time the epic was out and had android on it I would of got this!!! I love the speaker on it too, really sexy phone!!
Set From My 3.0.1 Bonsai Epic 4g

god thats one ugly looking phone.

Nice looking phone. The real questions is, can we get Android running on it...

Probably, the question is why bother? It's last years weakest hardware...even after a port the Shift would still kill it performance wise, and don't even try to compare it with the Epic.

Nice looking phone ughly looking wp7.
never leaving android, atlast for now.
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Nice looking phone ughly looking wp7.
never leaving android, atlast for now.
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Android Trolls have no reason to post. If you are not here with interest in WP7 or the Arrive, then why are you here except to voice your pointless opinion?
Anyway. I also got my hands on an Arrive for a good bit. One thing about the slider, make sure you don't judge it until you remove the clear plastic protector on the back of the screen part of the slider (the back of the screen with the keyboard out). Until that is removed the slider will feel very wobbly, stiff, or overall crappy. Same thing was the case for our Touch Pro 2's.
The overall feel of the phone is really solid and well made, like the TP2 it feels solid but with the metal back and an actual glass screen it feel even higher quality. (Plus I love the way the screen angles off into the 2 grill parts on the top and bottom.)
The OS performed just as expected with performance never showing any sort of hiccup or slowdown. 3G Speed in the area was a bit poor due to it being a highly populated area that Sprint throttles. (Not a problem where I live). It was not a problem for normal use and web browsing but it did take a hit on Netflix playback, downgrading the quality to extremely low but still viewable quality I suppose.
As mentioned earlier/elsewhere, the one thing that is bumming me is the 3G download limit on large apps. I know it is the norm for most of todays phones but with an Unlimited plan, limiting my download size to 20MB is a real bummer. I hope there may be a way around this in due time. Sucks that they expect you to pay for another service while paying for the same type of service? WTF!?
I did not test this part of the phone out though since I did not want to set it up under my live account.
Other parts of mention was the seamless use of Bing search for various things. Unlike on the TP2 where you click on bing, wait a minute, have to quit back out because you forgot to run quick GPS to keep the sat info updated and of course it never automatically updates on its own, back into Bing and waiting another minute, type in what you want to search for (or click on the appropriate button), it searches and gets you what you may want, you click on it, wait a bit to get options, then finally to what you want. If using the Voice Guidance you have to hope it doesn't crash or lock up partway into your trek.
With WP7 it seriously was click button, 3 sec later your there, type or say what you want, it searches for another 2-3 sec, bamn various things related to your search and picking one only takes another 2-3 seconds. Fast, easy, works.
Sure Voice Guidance isn't in Bing for WP7 yet, but it is coming and till then Sprint gets their own Voice Guidance GPS that actually works ok as well.
There is only 1 Problem (Seams to be lightly known) with the phone. Wifi. Similar to the Video Demo I saw of a GSM UK 7 Pro, the wifi would get stuck trying to connect to a network and eventually give up. In the video he mentioned a hard reset fixed this but being as it was not my phone I did not test this. This looks to be a simple HTC bug and I would guess it would be fixed in a side update separate from other updates soon. Still, a bummer seeing how the phone isn't out yet and it's GSM brother has the same issue.
Either way I pre-ordered my phone and plan to enjoy it. The only thing is my upgrade isn't due till June 14th and well, that is a long way away. So I may buy the phone outright and just learn everything I can for a month. It is not that I cannot afford it, I just don't feel like paying $450 for any phone.
$35 to rent the phone for a month isn't a bad deal though. Did this with the HTC EVO. 4G was Awesome, but the Android os, while powerful, just didn't feel finished/polished similar to WM6.5 Roms.
Sure WP7 does lack a few features we have all known and loved on WM6.X and Android, but for what I use the phone for most, paired with the fact that I am getting sick of the phone having weird glitches, lockups, temporary hangs, slowdowns, and overall things either not working or working weirdly, (also on Android for this), WP7 looks for fix that for me. A phone that does all of the features it offers now and does them well. I used to be a huge tweaker for these devices, but after a while, the time it takes to make the phone work 100% takes way too long these days and especially on the old 500mhz chip, it is just not worth the fuss anymore. I have an HD2 to tinker with and use for certain Apps, and a Dell Axim X50v for my other WM entertainment needs.

Thank IM for that post.....Normally I am not one to read long posts but you covered everything that I was curious out.
I have an EVO right now and even though I love it. I loved my Zune HD a lot more. heres to hoping that the arrive lives up to hype I gave it.