I know most people want the programs launched to close, but my problem is whenever I open one program (for example icontacts), and then open another program (for example opera mini) the first program (icontact) closes by itself... this happens with almost all software even when I have >8mb memory free. It's annoying because I have to reload the first software...
is it b/c of the ROM i have installed or is there a solution (i would hate to have to format and reinstall everything for this!!)
Thanks
Check if you have HTC Taskmanager or WKTask. These are both popular programs which can be set to make the X button close programs. You can change the settings of either of these programs.
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Maybe a strange topic title but this is what I mean:
When I have PocketInformant running for example in the background, it opens instantly when it is selected from a TaskManager like pBar (wich I use). When I want to acces the programm using a normal shortcut from my startmenu it has some delay before it opens.
Does anybody have any tips or ideas about this?
You kinda answered your question yourself. If it running already it doesnt need to be loaded....
crazybadger said:
You kinda answered your question yourself. If it running already it doesnt need to be loaded....
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You are correct. But I wanted to know why a programm opens instantly when you open it using a task manager. While opening it using the StartMenu takes more time, In both cases the programms are already running in the background
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You are correct. But I wanted to know why a programm opens instantly when you open it using a task manager. While opening it using the StartMenu takes more time, In both cases the programms are already running in the background
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I actually do understand your question because I noticed that too. When a program is alreading running in the background minimized and if you select it using a task manager of choice, it opens up quickly since it was just minimized where as if your where to go through programs menu and run the program shortcut again, there is some delay. I think it is because its closing the program or checking if it is already running that is causing the delay. Don't know for sure actually
i'm not sure if it works the same way as in desktop windows, but here it isl like that...
when you want to code a program that can be launched only once you put a specific section in program's startup part, that checks wether another copy of the process isn't already running, if no is found application starts normally, if it finds previously launched copy it terminates.
now i'm not sure how does it work here in wm5/6 as it happens with all the programs, so probably it is more os dependant, but if i'm right the delay comes from the fact that taping a shortcut actually runs the program again in the first place...
banannq is absolutely correct. This is how things work in WM as well.
When you click a link to the program or its exe file directly from file explorer it is launched again even if it is already running.
If this is a big app like Skype or PI it will take time just to load the exe so even if all it has to do is close right away there is still a delay.
The task manager however calls the program copy already running directly so there is no delay.
Thanks for the explanation!
Now I understand what was driving me mad
So opening programms from a TaskManager is the fastest way to work with you PPC. Or maybe run a today plugin that has a running programms line. I believe the O2 plugin has this kind of functionality.
WisBar Lite and MagicButton (both free) add a running programs icon list to the top menu bar so you can more quickly task swap.
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WisBar Lite and MagicButton (both free) add a running programs icon list to the top menu bar so you can more quickly task swap.
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I use pBar for this, works like a charm
The funny thing is - this is exactly the kind of thinking that brought M$ to create the ever so hated "smart minimize" concept and spawn a hoard of "close button / task manager" applications like magic button.
It is nice when programs start right away, but the trouble is RAM on WM devices is still stuck on at very low limit. Now, if we had devices with 256 or more MB of RAM we probably would not need to close apps.
The problem I'm having is that when I go to settings > system > remove programs, it only lists the first 11 programs that I've installed myself, so I cant see / remove newer programs since they are not listed there.
The programs (all cab files) were installed through usb via active sync.
Is there a tweak or a registry setting that can be used to keep that program list updated and show every program installed.
If not, how can I uninstall a program completely from within my phone itself ?
I'm trying to avoid uninstalls through active sync.
I wish I had an answer for you. I have been looking for an Installation Monitor, Registry Monitor, Filesystem Monitor tool for a long time now but I don't think there is one out there. What an Installation Monitor essentially would do is monitor any cab that you install and create a log of what that cab added/modified. That way, when you come to uninstall it you could perform a FULL uninstall and it would truely bring your device back to what it was before you installed the cab.
There are many of these types of tools for Windows XP/Vista but I haven't seen anything for WM6. Also there may be some limitations as these installation logs could be quite long. Regular Windows software such as "Advanced Uninstaller Pro" and they seem to do a good job.
I wish there was one for WM6 because everytime I install something and don't like it and remove it, it seems to leave hundreds of files lying around. I hate that...
The closest thing I have seen to an uninstaller program that goes beyond the standard Windows uninstaller is SKTools. It has an option to perform a "deep scan" for installed programs and it attempts to remove all files that that cab added and revert all registry keys back to their original state. I am still testing it out on Windows Mobile Emulator. It looks like if the original cab didn't create an installation log, WM doesn't know it got installed.
I just experienced this for the first time myself, although I have about 20 programs in my remove programs list. Opera 8.65 doesn't show up in the list of installed programs, even though it is there and still works. I was trying to uninstall it from main memory and try it on the storage card but I guess I'll have to hard reset to really get rid of it. Any other ideas?
Hello all...
I am at an end here, frustrated and very sad..
No, now really the problem.
I've searched high and low for this problem, and really can't seem to find a solution.
I have a htc Tytn, or hermes.
If I haven't performed a reset in a couple of hours, when I run an app, like NEtfront, or Messenger, then for instance go to write a text message, the tytn closes all other apps.
This is starting to become very annoying, especially since I am also running s2u2, and s2p.
If s2p is running, and s2u2 locks the phone, after a couple of seconds s2p auto closes.
Really tried everything, this is really bugging me out, anybody had or has the same issue?
Please, please pretty please with cherry's on top, can anybody help me?
Running on Schapp's rom, 4.22
Using quickmenu, want to use x to really close apps, maybe that's related, but problem is also there when use x to close is deactivated.
Running SBSH today screen plugin (Ilauncher) as well, but also with task manager function disabled..
This is getting so annoying, someone please help me!!
It's probably closing them because of insufficient program memory.
Solution Found!!!
It's been a long and tiresome search, but I finally got to the root of the problem
Tried different roms, same result.
Tried registry keys for HTC Taskmanager and autoclose memory threshold as found in this forum, no result..
Finally I found out it's Oxxios closeapps causign my programs to autoclose.
I used it to cleam my memory every now and then, and used it as the run on unlock for A_C brilliant S2U2 tool.
So basically Closeapps would run the instant my TyTN booted...
Now what I found out, is though you do nut run Closeapps activally, after it is used once, it does something to your memory and WM..don't ask me what...
It seemed to be closing programs unwanted.
Now that I removed Oxxios closeapps, my mobile can run multiple programs without isuues.
When I run it once, back to square one...
Oxxios hibernate does not seem to do this, so I'll try using that if I want to clear some Memory..
So everyone with the same issue, spread the word.
It can be HTC Tasmanager (registry values for autokill and memory threshhold, search this forum for exact details)
AND\OR
OXXIOS CLOSEAPPS.exe
if you run it once, it will close your apps untill next reboot...
I did not know that, and it caused a lot of frustration..
So hope I can help out some other frustrated users..
Take care, and thank you all for your input oin this, glad I got it sorted...
That has got to be the dumbest explanation I've ever heard.
I don't have CloseApps installed ATM and WM6 still automatically closes background tasks when it needs memory.
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How do I make close = close?
The little x in the top right has been close in Windows everything for over a decade but now Windows Mobile decided to make it = minimize. Thanks Microsoft, you really know how to screw up a great product.
I've had it working partially before on previous kitchens, where some windows would close but things like the program files and settings wouldn't
I'm looking for the final solution here, any suggestions?
QuickMenu is the best free tool out there to do this. Or you could use WisBar Advance, about $10, then you can choose which apps close, and which minimize on action, besides that WisBar is one of those apps that everyone should use in my opinion.
Aha
I was wondering which one was mostly working, I bet it was that Quickmenu.
I'll try that again, but I think it wasn't closing program files and settings type windows, and if that is true, I'll spring for wisbar. Thanks.
Quickmenu link
Quickmenu 2.7 is here for anyone who finds this thread later, nice pics of the app on this link.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-quickmenu-v2-7.html
I used to use pbar before, its around in D&H, its old though.
A chef in the hermes forum cabed it up, give it a try.
Quickmenu, pbar
Quickmenu is really really cool
It has recent programs and it looks good, but.
It doesn't close phone, async, and program directory windows.
Also, I don't like expand programs and settings but with quickmenu I don't see anyway around it. Now I remember why I got rid of it
I have my camera button set to next-app on this Vogue, eventually I get so many windows open I just reset to close them haha.
I'll try pbar..
pBar
pBar is not closing any open window, Programs and activesync windows stay minimized when I press X.
I thought maybe quickmenu was running and interfering but it isn't running, and besides, pBar doesn't list all the windows.
I'm guessing that some visible windows are considered a process that is not a task.
With Sprint Touch (HTC Vogue) running Windows Mobile 6.1 I can select Settings > System > Task Manager > Button > Enable the "X" button to end running programs > End programs by tapping "X". This probably works with other WM devices.
Thanks
mind you wm was not made to have apps terminated like that
some apps like outlook goes crazy if you do it
been reported many many times if people have set the terminate
apps at x on
and close outlook before they get their msg send notification
outlook goes crazy and send the same sms or mail 2 or more times
costing the user money
Wow, I just saw the date of this thread & relized how old it was...now to be re-awaken'd with a "thanks"! LOL
Try WkTask .
im tryng this for windows mobile 6.5 but i can't get the damn thing to work, the close button doesnt close the process just minimizes it and i cant find any setting that can change this!!
You can go to the task manager and finish it
But this is one time that WM looks like the old Windows 3.11
Hi.
I ve a Touch Pro with much ram. I can run many program at same time without problems (tomtom, newsbreak, palringo, etc). But when I run Opera many programs are closed / killed. I ve debugged it with my own program and Its the tipical way used by Windows same years old when a program requested much memory and needed to close others. So:
1) Windows sends (shoots) other programs with WM_CLOSE messages
2) After some seconds Windows Kills the programs that refused to close.
But It doesnt happens after soft reset. Only after several hours. Maybe because the memory is fragmented and Windows cant allocate a contigous chunck of memory to satisfy Opera.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Dani
danielherrero said:
Hi.
I ve a Touch Pro with much ram. I can run many program at same time without problems (tomtom, newsbreak, palringo, etc). But when I run Opera many programs are closed / killed. I ve debugged it with my own program and Its the tipical way used by Windows same years old when a program requested much memory and needed to close others. So:
1) Windows sends (shoots) other programs with WM_CLOSE messages
2) After some seconds Windows Kills the programs that refused to close.
But It doesnt happens after soft reset. Only after several hours. Maybe because the memory is fragmented and Windows cant allocate a contigous chunck of memory to satisfy Opera.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Dani
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HTC Task manager by default (i think) will "autokill" programs. Install advanced config and disable the autokill setting on the task manager with it. do a soft reset and it shouldnt do that any more.
But I dont use Task Manager. Just open a few programs (after several hours without reset). Then open opera and after some seconds some of the previous programs were closed....
I believe that the Task Manager is still inbuilt and thus you need to get rid of it and install the one mrvanx suggested.
Cheers
danielherrero said:
But I dont use Task Manager. Just open a few programs (after several hours without reset). Then open opera and after some seconds some of the previous programs were closed....
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Hi Dani
As long as you're using TF3D, its taskmanager is running and killing programs if available memory goes beneath ~120 MB. You may change this threshold via avanced config (I think).
ULI
PS: don't do too much internet surfing - we're waiting for the new skin..
Try http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=102040&view=findpost&p=749414 and http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=749168