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Car Charger TOMTOM for HTC

I have an HTC touch diamond and a tomtom one xl. I wanted to buy the car charger for the htc, that is mini-usb, but i was thinking about the possibile to use the one of the tomtom (mini-usb as well).
Do you know if it is possible?
Thanks for your answers.

If it's mini usb it should work. Plug it in and see. i had a plug before that didn't give enough power to my phone though, so if it does work, make sure the % starts going up.

But anyway i'm afraid that it gives too much power or too few power and to damage the HTC. Is it possible?

Mini usb differences in chargers
Poker85 said:
But anyway i'm afraid that it gives too much power or too few power and to damage the HTC. Is it possible?
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though mini usb is the basically the same, some devices may accept power on a different pin. For example plugging in a motorola charger into an old mio will just show as a USB connection, and not charge. IGO makes universal chargers... Most devices are A32 tip, blackberry's are mostly A29, and HTC uses A53. They all supply 5v just on different pins. Dont worry about wreaking your device, the most that will happen is that it will think its hooked up to a pc and trickle charge.

Thank for your answers...
But anyway how could i know if tomtom charger has A53 as well?
News: I found it. Tomtom one xl uses A32 standard, so it's not compatible with htc devices.

Poker85 said:
Thank for your answers...
But anyway how could i know if tomtom charger has A53 as well?
News: I found it. Tomtom one xl uses A32 standard, so it's not compatible with htc devices.
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A32 is standard. its pretty much exactly like plugging device into your computer. so it *should* charge your htc if it charges while hooked up to computer. It may charge more slowly "trickle" but it should work just fine. only the 29 probably wont do anything.

Thanks for your support.
It's always good to meet people so informed like you in this forum.
When i'll try i will post the result.
Bye bye

USB plug: ok to use normal mini USB?

I just discovered -- accidentally -- that a standard mini USB plug not only fits in the Touch Pro's proprietary plug, but also charges and syncs normally!
To clarify (I hope):
* the Touch Pro's USB plug is shaped like this: l==/
* while a normal mini USB plug looks like this: \==/
Does this make sense?
Like most people, I have lots of normal USB cables lying around, and only one HTC type thing... Can anyone tell if it's totally ok to use a standard mini USB cable instead of HTC's "special" one? It can't damage anything electronically?

Robrecht said:
I just discovered -- accidentally -- that a standard mini USB plug not only fits in the Touch Pro's proprietary plug, but also charges and syncs normally!
To clarify (I hope):
* the Touch Pro's USB plug is shaped like this: l==/
* while a normal mini USB plug looks like this: \==/
Does this make sense?
Like most people, I have lots of normal USB cables lying around, and only one HTC type thing... Can anyone tell if it's totally ok to use a standard mini USB cable instead of HTC's "special" one? It can't damage anything electronically?
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Yes,that's normal thing it works. Different shape is present,because the same connector supplies also A/V signals. These pins are located opposite normal USB wires on the middle pin-plate(5 pins standard USB,6 pins Audio/Video). That's the difference and reason,why normal cable works with HTC devices.

Also I think the reason it's shaped like that is to stop you plugging the HTC one into other devices. Could be wrong though

TomasNM said:
Yes,that's normal thing it works. Different shape is present,because the same connector supplies also A/V signals. These pins are located opposite normal USB wires on the middle pin-plate(5 pins standard USB,6 pins Audio/Video). That's the difference and reason,why normal cable works with HTC devices.
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Thanks very much for this speedy answer!!
Cool, now I can use my collection of standard USB cables so I don't have to carry that one HTC cable around everywhere.
GaZ said:
Also I think the reason it's shaped like that is to stop you plugging the HTC one into other devices. Could be wrong though
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That makes sense. So HTC cable in normal USB plug: no, normal USB cable in HTC plug: yes.

Yes,the reason is that,you cannot use accessories(handset,adapters) on standart type models. Also all standart chargers are working,because charging pins are located on USB side.

Fuze Charging issues
Just to let eveyone know I originally tried to charge my Fuze using my old Tilt charger and the Fuze got hot and while it charged it took forever. I then switched to the charger supplied with the fuze and there was no heat and the devise charged very quickly. I don't know why but I thought eveyone should know

the raphael charger is 1A, while most chargers are 300-500mA, hence the slower charging. The heat shouldn't be though... so check if you get a nice and clean voltage

MiniUSB Port configuration

I bough a TyTN (hermes) and i was wondered about why it dont has audio port... 3.5 or 2.5... somebody sold me a convereter miniUSB to 3.5 the same port 11 PIN USB that my TyTN has but... it dont works...
Does anybody knows the configuration pins...??? i see a config for 11 PIN on a forum called Tracy and matt's blog USB EUM configurations pins... but... maybe it dont shows the real thing. any other source...?

htc doesn't use a plain mini usb plug they use ext-usb. Its a special type of plug. I don't know the pins but i do have the adapter and so therefore i know you can get an adapter to turn it into a headphone jack.
Here is an example of one... mine is a bit simpler with just the headphone jack but this will give you an idea.

Yep i saw this model... too...
joel2009 said:
htc doesn't use a plain mini usb plug they use ext-usb. Its a special type of plug. I don't know the pins but i do have the adapter and so therefore i know you can get an adapter to turn it into a headphone jack.
Here is an example of one... mine is a bit simpler with just the headphone jack but this will give you an idea.
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Yes men i saw it but i have a more simply...
I know the usb 11 pin is a extUSB registered by HTC and I bough this one....
http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx...dio-salida-35-mm-para-audifonos-yo-bocina-_JM
it dont works... maybe not all the ext-USB are the same
My device is an at&t 8525 or htc hermes.

I don't know thats funny, are you sure they are a reputable seller? that your usb it working headphones ect.
I don't think their are different versions but i'll sniff around and see what i can find. They adapter i used worked fine in my 8925

Which HTC phones have normal mini-usb slots?

Hey guys
long story that i wont bore you with but I need to find out a HTC phone that has a normal 5 pin mini-usb slot, uses this for its headphones AND has a break-out cable (3.5mm slot halfway up it for normal headphones).
Can anyone help with this please?
NOTE: I dont want the 11pin ENHANCED mini-usbversion like on the touch-diamond. I want the version with two slanted sides, not one square and one slanted.

I don't think a 5 pin usb could carry audio as well. USB has wires for data+, data-, power+, and power-, and then the audio would need wires for left, right and earth, and another for a mike.
My old wizard had a 5 pin USB, and it had a separate 2.5mm headphone/headset socket.

yeah they can and do, its just the headphones that come with the Acer are S*&t but they do operate over mini-usb.
Thanks though, that probably means the Wizards not setup to pump audio over its mini-usb, i'll avoid that one then

My Uni has it

Thank you. I'll check them out on Ebay

the designers at htc should be clubbed on the head for their enhanced mini usb connector.
3.5mm audio + mini usb - that's what it always should have been.

I cant understand why would you want a standart mini usb if - "standart mini usb" works with "htc enchanted mini usb" --- I personaly have a standart mini usb for my Touch HD to use with PC and enchanted usb for charging it - it doesnt bother me that they are different they both do the same<- or am I missing something?
im just curious!

Lets put a couple of things straight...
1) standard mini-usb absolutely can NOT carry (non-digital) audio, no matter what some people in this thread think/claim. It simply CAN'T BE DONE.
If some device *DOES* have audio over mini-usb plug, then despite its shape, it is NOT USB. I *have* seen devices *misuse* the physical plugs it has.
2) The non-standard plug used by HTC is *fully compatible* with existing USB wires.
3) Because of (1) and (2), there is no use whatsoever for a standard USB plug to be on the device. It simply does not matter that there are extras in the plug.

lbcoder said:
Lets put a couple of things straight...
1) standard mini-usb absolutely can NOT carry (non-digital) audio, no matter what some people in this thread think/claim. It simply CAN'T BE DONE.
If some device *DOES* have audio over mini-usb plug, then despite its shape, it is NOT USB. I *have* seen devices *misuse* the physical plugs it has.
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Wow, jump down the throat there.... nice guy obviously.
I can think of a way it can be done ......
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Would you like to also clarify how any of the 3 mini-usb cables (from various sources) work fine with the phone and PC and then can be swapped out for the Acer headset which is through the same mini-usb port? If it was a non-normal port then as you say, its unlikely the other generic cables would work.....
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2) The non-standard plug used by HTC is *fully compatible* with existing USB wires.
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Do you mean an Enhanced USB will fit in a non-enhanced port? I don't have one spare but they are a physicaly diferent shape....
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3) Because of (1) and (2), there is no use whatsoever for a standard USB plug to be on the device. It simply does not matter that there are extras in the plug.
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Agreed (sort of)... just a bit worried that you keep saying "standard" though, you do mean a standard MINI-usb right? But agreed, there is simply no justification for not having a 3.5mm jack .... its madness and a madness not just confined to HTC sadly

Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
I cant understand why would you want a standart mini usb if - "standart mini usb" works with "htc enchanted mini usb" --- I personaly have a standart mini usb for my Touch HD to use with PC and enchanted usb for charging it - it doesnt bother me that they are different they both do the same<- or am I missing something?
im just curious!
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I think, if im reading you right, your looking at it the wrong way round
The phone I have has a STANDARD mini usb. I think your saying your phone has an ENHANCED mini usb port (guess that answers the above about them not fitting/fitting). And ENHANCED wont fit in MY STANDARD and the only HTC phones I could find had ENHANCED.
My thinking was that if I could find a HTC that had a 5pin mini-usb, I could try one of those remotes - im getting desperate!

Monty Burns said:
I think, if im reading you right, your looking at it the wrong way round
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Guess I am!! my english aint perfect and its hard for me to understand this thread with all the technical stuff in it!!!
so youre looking for something like this - http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Headphone...ries?hash=item3ef2fd81ba&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
but with a standart usb plug, right?

orb3000 said:
My Uni has it
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It appears that you use a 3.5mm jack for your audio and not the Mini-usb
I could be wrong as its an old product and the only info I can find is on PDADB. Can any Universal owners confirm this? If it uses a 3.5mm jack for audio then its mini-usb cable is useless to me and I won't bother ordering one.

Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Guess I am!! my english aint perfect and its hard for me to understand this thread with all the technical stuff in it!!!
so youre looking for something like this - http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5mm-Headphone...ries?hash=item3ef2fd81ba&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
but with a standart usb plug, right?
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Yes mate, the 5pin version
I've ordered a couple of 5 pin->3.5mm jacks from ebay but so far the three diferent ones i've ordered haven't worked.

Monty Burns said:
Yes mate, the 5pin version
I've ordered a couple of 5 pin->3.5mm jacks from ebay but so far the three diferent ones i've ordered haven't worked.
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have you tried some of these :
http://cgi.ebay.com/For-MOTOROLA-V3...ries?hash=item20ac981719&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mini-USB-to-3-5...ries?hash=item4399494e03&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

spot on mate!
No, i hadnt thought of looking outside the WinMob world at other devices. I'll order one first thing tomorrow when i'm back at work.... fingers crossed and thank you!!!

Monty Burns said:
spot on mate!
No, i hadnt thought of looking outside the WinMob world at other devices. I'll order one first thing tomorrow when i'm back at work.... fingers crossed and thank you!!!
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Youre welcome, just check out the prices- maybe you can find the same thing only cheaper-- this was just a search for the right usb not price!!!
when you receive them- tell us did they work!
Good Luck

Monty Burns said:
It appears that you use a 3.5mm jack for your audio and not the Mini-usb
I could be wrong as its an old product and the only info I can find is on PDADB. Can any Universal owners confirm this? If it uses a 3.5mm jack for audio then its mini-usb cable is useless to me and I won't bother ordering one.
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Yes, you are right
I´m sorry I got confused with the question

The 'enchanted' mini USB is total crap. Just check out the thread about people reporting problems because the looseness caused the little pins to be bent.
HTC should just put in a mini usb for data and power and a 3.5mm for audio.

orb3000 said:
Yes, you are right
I´m sorry I got confused with the question
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No worries

Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Youre welcome, just check out the prices- maybe you can find the same thing only cheaper-- this was just a search for the right usb not price!!!
when you receive them- tell us did they work!
Good Luck
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Ordered this one as its a UK seller and will be much quicker.
However, im now temtped to start my own personal campaign against Acer and keep sending the phone back to them over and over again until they fix the Black Screen Of Death issue.... why do companies release phones with this common fault? Do they not use there own phones? I simply don't believe this can escape QA testing.

[Q] MS Surface Cover Connector Pinout

I know this is probably more for Microsoft Surface Developer Section but seeing how I am still pretty new I don't have enough post to be able to post in that area.
I am mainly curious if anyone knows the pin outs for the Touch/Type Cover connector on the bottom of the tablet and if it uses standard USB or if it is some kind of special propitiatory type connection that would say connect the keyboard membrane to the keyboard controller that may be in the tablet? If it is just a standard USB connection I am thinking about cannibalizing a touch cover to see if I can create a home Grown Dock so to speak for the tablet that would have a USB hub for keyboard and mouse and a USB to Ethernet adapter that works with the tablet. The USB hub will draw power from a modified Power Cord for the tablet IF I can figure out that electrical later on to where it wont fry my tablet or other accessories but first I need to figure out the first part.
TLDR Does anyone know if the touch/type cover user a standard USB protocol and if so what is the pin layout for the connector on the tablet. If anyone can help that would be appreciated.

I just received a surface and they through in 2 type covers. said, "keep it" on a sticky note. I am now working on figuring out what the connectors are. I dont see the point of having 6 connectors, so I think that some may be ground or false. I will open up one of the keyboards to see what ships they are connecting to. i would think it has to be usb. I know that the 6th pin, that is 6th from the left pin, is 1.8v when grounded. I am guessing that the voltage goes up once the surface detects the attached keyboard. I will write back, let me know if you have figured anything else out. seems like we are hte only people on the internet who even care at this point. and microsoft is literally giving away surface computers.
Greg00135 said:
I know this is probably more for Microsoft Surface Developer Section but seeing how I am still pretty new I don't have enough post to be able to post in that area.
I am mainly curious if anyone knows the pin outs for the Touch/Type Cover connector on the bottom of the tablet and if it uses standard USB or if it is some kind of special propitiatory type connection that would say connect the keyboard membrane to the keyboard controller that may be in the tablet? If it is just a standard USB connection I am thinking about cannibalizing a touch cover to see if I can create a home Grown Dock so to speak for the tablet that would have a USB hub for keyboard and mouse and a USB to Ethernet adapter that works with the tablet. The USB hub will draw power from a modified Power Cord for the tablet IF I can figure out that electrical later on to where it wont fry my tablet or other accessories but first I need to figure out the first part.
TLDR Does anyone know if the touch/type cover user a standard USB protocol and if so what is the pin layout for the connector on the tablet. If anyone can help that would be appreciated.
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any progress?
i already build a power wire, with a 5,5mm plug to connect it to my Intocircuit PC26000 for more juice on the go, and for a second charger.
you can see the pinouts of the power plug in the attatched pic.
let me know if you got any results for the cover connector so far - if its USB, i will implement my UMTS stick into a cover
Cheers!

just got pictures of the cover connector, see attatchment.
in fact all the 6 pins are connected. USB 2.0 would take 4 of them.
my guess is that one of them could be a switch, to turn the device & keyboard on and off.

any progress
Curious if anyone has made any progress on decoding the pinout, figuring out if it's usb or not?

i didn't do any further research - but it guess it's usb, or at least kind of... as it shows up as USB device in the device manager...

tfBullet said:
just got pictures of the cover connector, see attatchment.
in fact all the 6 pins are connected. USB 2.0 would take 4 of them.
my guess is that one of them could be a switch, to turn the device & keyboard on and off.
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Judging by the connector and the fact that the covers are USB-based and can be used reversed, the pinout makes perfect sense. The likely possibility for the pinout is as follows:
Power Cover connector (Using pin labels in picture)
1/10 = Power cover +ve
2/9 = Power cover Ground
Touch/Type connector (Using pin labels in picture)
3 = +ve
4 = Ground
5/6 = Data +ve or -ve (reversible internally)
7/8 = Attachment direction detect
Pins on Touch/Type cover itself (Pinout from left [1] to right [6])
1/6 = +ve
2/5 = Ground
3/4 = Data +ve or -ve (reversible internally)
As to if the USB data pairs are swapped on the SP or the Cover, we cannot know without more information. Depending on the voltage supplied or the presence of unauthorised hardware detection (e.g. the ID chip in Apple earphones, I doubt it), custom USB devices should be fairly trivial (electrically).

I know this is an old thread but has anyone made any further progress on this? If not, I'm considering experimenting myself with a spare touch cover and a raspberry pi

geronphillips said:
I know this is an old thread but has anyone made any further progress on this? If not, I'm considering experimenting myself with a spare touch cover and a raspberry pi
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Nope, im sorry, i didn't make further progress on this, exept what i already posted.. it is a USB connection, you can easily verify that yourself by looking at the Touch/type-cover in the device-manager...
I guess you can easily connect other USB devices if you build yourself an adapter..
but there could also be some kind of verification, if so then its most likely software based, if you hit a barrier, try reverseing the type-cover driver, you might find something there...
One additional info: the big outer nipples can be used to charge the device.
Peace

If I were to leverage the bottom grooves for charging, can you tell me which pin is which? +/-
tfBullet said:
Nope, im sorry, i didn't make further progress on this, exept what i already posted.. it is a USB connection, you can easily verify that yourself by looking at the Touch/type-cover in the device-manager...
I guess you can easily connect other USB devices if you build yourself an adapter..
but there could also be some kind of verification, if so then its most likely software based, if you hit a barrier, try reverseing the type-cover driver, you might find something there...
One additional info: the big outer nipples can be used to charge the device.
Peace
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Hi tfBullet,
When you say "the big outer nipples can be used to charge the devices" are you referring to these...
Power Cover connector (Using pin labels in picture)
1/10 = Power cover +ve
2/9 = Power cover Ground

Any new discovery?
Any new discovery?

will the power output still be live, if the data signals are not shorted? e.g: IOS devices

Can we just connect the keyboard via usb to a windows pc?

I don't think this is true USB, as there is no 5 volts anywhere on the connector, only 3.3 volts.. It may be USB, but needing to be level-shifted before you can use it. It may be potentially a way to get another USB port on the damn thing. Why did they think one USB port is enough? I have been trying to boot it from flash drive, but need keyboard as well, but the USB will not boot with a hub connected. Grrrrr.

slurpy1 said:
I don't think this is true USB, as there is no 5 volts anywhere on the connector, only 3.3 volts.. It may be USB, but needing to be level-shifted before you can use it. It may be potentially a way to get another USB port on the damn thing. Why did they think one USB port is enough? I have been trying to boot it from flash drive, but need keyboard as well, but the USB will not boot with a hub connected. Grrrrr.
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Why not booting on a flash drive and use the usb for keyboard???

There's someone here who's made some progress...
edwardsh.in/keyboard%20cover/2015/08/13/applying-logic-to-the-surface-touch-cover

i want to connect the keyboard itself to other devices
Hey guys
Good thread going on , i would like to see if any one of you ever thought about to use keyboard itself not the port , for some reasons I would like to use the keyboard on other devices (i mean kinda convert the pins to a USB port and use it on other pcs or what i really desire about is using it on Xbox) i want to see if any of you have any ideas or information about this , i mean is this even possible ? I've read the whole replies and most of them were about the port on surface and yeah its really cool , but i want to see if its possible to do , cause if its possible then it would be a lot easier than the port on the surface
Thanks

Ferrybigger said:
Hey guys
Good thread going on , i would like to see if any one of you ever thought about to use keyboard itself not the port , for some reasons I would like to use the keyboard on other devices (i mean kinda convert the pins to a USB port and use it on other pcs or what i really desire about is using it on Xbox) i want to see if any of you have any ideas or information about this , i mean is this even possible ? I've read the whole replies and most of them were about the port on surface and yeah its really cool , but i want to see if its possible to do , cause if its possible then it would be a lot easier than the port on the surface
Thanks
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Well, take a look at the link Neakmenter posted, the guy there analyzed the communication, turns out it's no standard USB, it's proprietary.. Which means, there is no easy way of using this keyboard anywhere else than the surface... You would need some kind of microcontroller which connects to the keyboard, interprets it's signals, and relays them as Standart HID signals to a USB port..
The connector alone is a problem as well, you'd need to 3D print a connector or something like that, it's just not worth the effort i guess [emoji2371]
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