I am very skeptical about the specs with my unit compared to the TYTN 2 euro device.. I have just purchased the ATT TILT and I am pretty sure that the capabilities may be a lot greater on the European version. The camera on the Tilt as far as, video recording is very bad & the fps is also sluggish. I saw a youtube clip with the HTC TYTN 2 (Euro) & the performance seems a lot better. The guy who made the clip on youtube proceeded to show the speed of his camera while recording and it looked like it was capped @ 30 fps.. Why are both devices around the same prices yet, are not receiving the same performance? I am new to this site & I am new to modifying my device I was wondering if their are performance cabs for my Tilt or If any of you guys have any tweaked out ROMS to help me with performance this would be a big help. Thanks Much - Cheemsz
cheemsz said:
I am very skeptical about the specs with my unit compared to the TYTN 2 euro device.. I have just purchased the ATT TILT and I am pretty sure that the capabilities may be a lot greater on the European version. The camera on the Tilt as far as, video recording is very bad & the fps is also sluggish. I saw a youtube clip with the HTC TYTN 2 (Euro) & the performance seems a lot better. The guy who made the clip on youtube proceeded to show the speed of his camera while recording and it looked like it was capped @ 30 fps.. Why are both devices around the same prices yet, are not receiving the same performance? I am new to this site & I am new to modifying my device I was wondering if their are performance cabs for my Tilt or If any of you guys have any tweaked out ROMS to help me with performance this would be a big help. Thanks Much - Cheemsz
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In term of hardware, there is no different except it missed a front conference camera. You are right, ATT Rom is sucks. You can do a limited tweak, but if you want to have an excellent performance on your Tilt, you can change the ROM. there are so many third party rom that you can find in this kaiser forum. I myself using a Duty's rom.
This vs That, Tweak this, Tweak That!!!!
Read through the Kaiser threads and you will find many comparisons. I even remember seeing Tilt vs iPhone.
Also read this first;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=221545
And then this;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314615
See the thing is.. I dont want the Dutty ROM.. its too much like the iPhone interface.. I just want the ATT Tilt interface with a better performance tweak I dont like the Dutty interface it really looks slow and a lot of people I have seen on youtube are using it.
what drvers really works o work better for a kaiser with WinMo 6.1... Samsung OMNIA D3D, or this one HTC-CA-Kaiser-Drivers.cab (http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php), and where i can find OEM package of HTC-CA-Kaiser-Drivers, Regards!
any chef outthere¿
I think one of the only differences is that the Omnia driver does not support OpenGLES (I'm pretty sure). My vote would be the HTC Class Action driver, even though it is not fully functional as of right now
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I think one of the only differences is that the Omnia driver does not support OpenGLES (I'm pretty sure). My vote would be the HTC Class Action driver, even though it is not fully functional as of right now
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of course you know.....your vote "opinion" in particular is taken very seriously
so it's HTC CA drivers over Omnia drivers for me from now on lol
mbarvian said:
I think one of the only differences is that the Omnia driver does not support OpenGLES (I'm pretty sure). My vote would be the HTC Class Action driver, even though it is not fully functional as of right now
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oh i don't know that for openGLES but omnia drivers make the same score on 3ddemo with shiny screen and can see the TEXT with omnia drivers
so is it possible to play doomGLES with the HTC drivers versus the omnia drivers?
http://kokak.free.fr/DoomGLES.htm
i have ABUs PDAcorner v172g right now and i think it has the omnia driver.. but ive been trying to get this version of doom to work for a while now..
p.s. - if i tried to these drivers... could i go back to the omnia D3D drivers without a problem.. THANK YOU!
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so is it possible to play doomGLES with the HTC drivers versus the omnia drivers?
http://kokak.free.fr/DoomGLES.htm
i have ABUs PDAcorner v172g right now and i think it has the omnia driver.. but ive been trying to get this version of doom to work for a while now..
p.s. - if i tried to these drivers... could i go back to the omnia D3D drivers without a problem.. THANK YOU!
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i think if have uninstall when remove it go back to your settings.. but if you have problem install the omnia drivers thats all
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oh i don't know that for openGLES but omnia drivers make the same score on 3ddemo with shiny screen and can see the TEXT with omnia drivers
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as far as Direct3D is concerned, the Samsung Omnia drivers might score a little higher, but if you are into gaming, like DoomGLES, then the HTC CA will be the best option.
@soueski: yes, you can just install either driver and install a different driver and it should work fine.
@mazin13: thanks
btw, I'm playing with Toshiba Portege g810 right now, which has the same processor as the Kaiser, does anyone know if drivers have been ported from this?
thanks for the info MBAR..
ok.. im downloading the htc drivers and gonna see if they work a little better as far as gaming and media is concerned..
try the goforce CoD 2 demo with the d3d drivers
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as far as Direct3D is concerned, the Samsung Omnia drivers might score a little higher, but if you are into gaming, like DoomGLES, then the HTC CA will be the best option.
@soueski: yes, you can just install either driver and install a different driver and it should work fine.
@mazin13: thanks
btw, I'm playing with Toshiba Portege g810 right now, which has the same processor as the Kaiser, does anyone know if drivers have been ported from this?
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I think SJ was trying to port the drivers across quite a few months ago. I know there was some discussion about it in the forum but I dont think he or anyone else got anywhere with them.
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thanks for the info MBAR..
ok.. im downloading the htc drivers and gonna see if they work a little better as far as gaming and media is concerned..
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that is what i need, i dont have time to test it, but my kaiser graphics sucks, i cant even play snes or whatch some movies, goog look
I downloaded thise drivers, but cant seem to get them installed, and i cant find a tutorial, any1 of your care to help me?
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I downloaded thise drivers, but cant seem to get them installed, and i cant find a tutorial, any1 of your care to help me?
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isnt it just a cab install?
i downloaded the cab and just installed it on my phone from the HTCclassaction site.. the latest one i belive is from october..
but as far as the driver are concerned..
the triangle (GL)
the D3D demo
the lights (D3D)
all tested flawlessly.. there wernt any tears or artifacts.. and very smooth..
the text 3d tho.. i cant see the text.. it just looks like a mini blue and red castle wall to me
as far as my gaming goes tho..
i havnt gotten doomGLES to work yet.. im still stuck on the certificate error.. although i know it works on kaiser because on another site (which i cant link.. im sorry ) .. someone got it to run .. i think ima ask him how he did it
.. i use Morphgear 2.4.0.9 (SNES Emu)...and i can actually play a lil..
mega man i can play with frame skip 3 with sound and stereo (HTC DRIVERS)
vs. frame skip 2 no sound. -- resulting in the same frame rate 10 - 15
(but if disable everything and put framerate to 3 its smooth HTCclass drivers -- couldnt do that before)
so i guess a little improvement there
Mario Rpg actually loads -- unplayable tho.
as far as 3d games go as in athelion 2 and flux challenge.. i did notice when using the touchscreen, its more responsive and dosnt slow down the games as it did before.. (i think these games are software rendered, and i dont know if the drivers have anything to do with how a physical touch of the games FPS.. but really.. it was smoother )
ill try testing a lil more and maybe tweak some stuff
and benchmark the the different drivers with video playback and rendering rates..
video playback is somewhat smoother using a decent quality file and an oversized resolution.. TCPMP and Coreplayer seem to resize the movie/videos res ratio a bit better for a lil smoother playback.. AUD/VID was a tiny out of sync tho (wasnt with the omnia drivers).. but with a lil adjustment for the A/V timing in the settings.. the movie was much more watchable...
then again i could just be fooling myself .. either case.. my movies are smoother now after the HTCclass install
video bitrate @ 182kbps
audio @ 182 kbps
avi file
resolution @ 624 x 336
as far as video playback with a converted video actually made for a 320 x 240 resolution in mp4 format 24 hz audio... it plays flawlessly with dvd quality @ 27 - 29 FPS.. now this i know is better with these drivers
but thats all i got right now.. as far as everyday use.. as in M2D and drawback rates and etc... there pretty much the same..
although the camera does fixate the lighting adjustments a lil faster in a dark room.
but just as a side note.. the phone does tend to get a lil warmer from my experience.. not crazy hot.. jus a lil warmer as in i could actually tell my phones working a lil harder now (when using apps/games)..
(or i could just be crazy and imagining all this stuff)
more later.....
OK OK, i am using KaiserKitchen to convert CAB to OEM, its work if i go to OEM with that Tool? or any one out there got OEM package to cook on my own ROM? regards!
souskei said:
isnt it just a cab install?
i downloaded the cab and just installed it on my phone from the HTCclassaction site.. the latest one i belive is from october..
but as far as the driver are concerned..
the triangle (GL)
the D3D demo
the lights (D3D)
all tested flawlessly.. there wernt any tears or artifacts.. and very smooth..
the text 3d tho.. i cant see the text.. it just looks like a mini blue and red castle wall to me
as far as my gaming goes tho..
i havnt gotten doomGLES to work yet.. im still stuck on the certificate error.. although i know it works on kaiser because on another site (which i cant link.. im sorry ) .. someone got it to run .. i think ima ask him how he did it
.. i use Morphgear 2.4.0.9 (SNES Emu)...and i can actually play a lil..
mega man i can play with frame skip 3 with sound and stereo (HTC DRIVERS)
vs. frame skip 2 no sound. -- resulting in the same frame rate 10 - 15
(but if disable everything and put framerate to 3 its smooth HTCclass drivers -- couldnt do that before)
so i guess a little improvement there
Mario Rpg actually loads -- unplayable tho.
as far as 3d games go as in athelion 2 and flux challenge.. i did notice when using the touchscreen, its more responsive and dosnt slow down the games as it did before.. (i think these games are software rendered, and i dont know if the drivers have anything to do with how a physical touch of the games FPS.. but really.. it was smoother )
ill try testing a lil more and maybe tweak some stuff
and benchmark the the different drivers with video playback and rendering rates..
video playback is somewhat smoother using a decent quality file and an oversized resolution.. TCPMP and Coreplayer seem to resize the movie/videos res ratio a bit better for a lil smoother playback.. AUD/VID was a tiny out of sync tho (wasnt with the omnia drivers).. but with a lil adjustment for the A/V timing in the settings.. the movie was much more watchable...
then again i could just be fooling myself .. either case.. my movies are smoother now after the HTCclass install
video bitrate @ 182kbps
audio @ 182 kbps
avi file
resolution @ 624 x 336
as far as video playback with a converted video actually made for a 320 x 240 resolution in mp4 format 24 hz audio... it plays flawlessly with dvd quality @ 27 - 29 FPS.. now this i know is better with these drivers
but thats all i got right now.. as far as everyday use.. as in M2D and drawback rates and etc... there pretty much the same..
although the camera does fixate the lighting adjustments a lil faster in a dark room.
but just as a side note.. the phone does tend to get a lil warmer from my experience.. not crazy hot.. jus a lil warmer as in i could actually tell my phones working a lil harder now (when using apps/games)..
(or i could just be crazy and imagining all this stuff)
more later.....
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Test Again with omnia drivers now who know your score with htc ca drivers
here is the 2 drivers OMNIA and HTC CA
wolframio74 said:
OK OK, i am using KaiserKitchen to convert CAB to OEM, its work if i go to OEM with that Tool? or any one out there got OEM package to cook on my own ROM? regards!
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yes, it should work flawlessly
I asked this question a while ago about other 7500 chipset phones
Is there anyone checking the other phones with the same chipset for drivers?
I found a lot on http://pdadb.net/
Link to all devices using this chipset http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&cpu=a7500
Here is the link for the 7200 chipset phones http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200
Funny even the new treo, (htc device I know) is still using it, Same performance, why upgrade at all?
Funny the reason I was looking was so I could stay away from poor performing phones from companies not willing to make a quality device with full feature set ( aka htc, qualcomm) Please, I am not completely unhappy with the phone, but I know it could be better on the multimedia side.
I found this with the specs being the so close, wonder if there is a driver?
Is there a company like symbol or medical field pda that are utilizing full driver set for the chipset?
Samsung SGH-i777 Saga
Release Date: December, 2008
62x124x13.5mm, 130g, Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional , 32bit Qualcomm MSM7500, 400MHz CPU, 128MiB RAM, 256MiB ROM, 2.6" 320x320 color transflective TFT display, Proprietary audio jack, GSM850/GSM900/GSM1800/GSM1900, CSD, GPRS, EDGE, secondary cellular phone, microSD/microSDHC/TransFlash/SDIO, Proprietary port, Bluetooth, WLAN, GPS, A-GPS, Built-in QWERTY-type keyboard, 1.9MP camera, 1300mAh removable battery | See all details
can anyone test this TI d3d Drivers?
false cab i uploading soon the real..
I have been using the Tilt (original Kaiser) since the day it
came out. I think it is a great device. However, the
BIGGEST COMPLAINT I have always had was the SLOW graphics.
I am still running Windows Mobile 6.0 waiting for a
good / stable ROM to come out by someone with great
graphics performace. There have been some fantastic cooked ROMS
for the device but I have always held off waiting for
something with good graphics drivers in it. Did I miss
something that is worth moving to now that 6.1 and even 6.5
roms are out and about?
I have seen a lot of posts about which roms are best,
etc, etc and why but graphics performace has always been an
issue from what I have seen...
There are so many posts and even entire sites (see
below if interested) about our device and the poor
performance. Is there finally a decent solution to speed up
at least simple 2D drawing operations, including the
user interfaces of normal applications?
Does a good Mobile 6.1 or 6.5 ROM make much difference
in 2D or 3D on the Kaiser vs 6.0? Perhaps that
is the easiest solution to getting good graphics performance??!
Since the Tilt uses the MSM720x chipset and many other
devices use that chipset, has someone finally cooked a
rom for the tilt with good accelerated drivers from another
device yet and that is a good solution?
ALL COMMENTS WELCOME.
Of course good OpenGL ES and D3D acceleration would be great too.
Seems our device by default is only using software mode
Many now say our Kaiser is dead / "obsolete hardware" now and
decent drivers are not worth anyone's trouble.
I'm not sure what I think about this.
I understand there have been a million posts
and lots of threads like:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745&page=109
and even
http://www.htcclassaction.org/driverprogress.php#update_20080717_1
which seems to have ended over a year ago.
Perhaps that was when someone found a way of enabling
OpenGL ES on Android? Either way, can someone make some comments
on what they think?
Look around you at the 1000s of posts, and try the search button. We solved the graphics issue a long time ago.
Nothing to do with ROM Development and as polyrhythmic said we solved the graphics issue a long time ago.
On that note thread closed.
i see some rooms with 3d driver
what is ? 3d driver for htc touch cruise ?
sry for bad english
Hi 3d driver is as the name suggest a driver that enables hardware acceleration of opengl graphics on the polaris, It was never an official release by HTC but was made by a few very clever developers. Unfortunately the driver was never quite finished off for the polaris as development moved on to support the newer phones. The reason you see roms with 3d and without 3d is because the 3d driver takes away about 15mb of ram so some people just prefer to have more memmory and no 3d as the last time i played around with it the 3d did not work with things like spb mobile shell anyway. So it was sort of really cool but kinda useless ( no disrespect to developers intended)
thnx
thank you man very much
fullagon said:
Hi 3d driver is as the name suggest a driver that enables hardware acceleration of opengl graphics on the polaris, It was never an official release by HTC but was made by a few very clever developers. Unfortunately the driver was never quite finished off for the polaris as development moved on to support the newer phones. The reason you see roms with 3d and without 3d is because the 3d driver takes away about 15mb of ram so some people just prefer to have more memmory and no 3d as the last time i played around with it the 3d did not work with things like spb mobile shell anyway. So it was sort of really cool but kinda useless ( no disrespect to developers intended)
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The sensation setion on Fpse (PS1 emulator) has be opened today
http://www.fpsece.net/forum2/viewforum.php?f=44
Every feedback of Fpse running on the HTC Sensation is welcome !
So far, I'm not really happy with the results, it seems that an Xplay defeats my Sensation, so I'm sure there's a lot of space for optimization here!
I definitly hope Schtruck will have a look at it
I guess Fpse uses only one core so far, that's the only explaination I can find.
Every info, feedback, opinion, experience might be useful
Thanks !
99% android apps dont take advantage out of the additional core. And it will take some time until they do because they have to be programed differently. So i guess for an emulator like FPSE your performance should be about the same as on a DesireHD with singlecore 1.2ghz.
But then the Xperia Play has the about the same hardware as the DHD so i dont know :/
What games do you have fps issues with? I run almost everything at full speed that i tried (TombRaider 3, Ridge Racer, FF7, Resident Evil) on my DesireHD at 1.1ghz.
I know Schtruck has better results for Tekken 3, with screen filtering ON, with his Xplay
(tekken 3 has always been my reference for test, since 2009, when I was beta testing with my Omnia 1 i900 )
I remember when we started to have multitouch on the HD2, firts with Morphgear, then for FpseCE, when originally the HD2 only supported pinch to zoom, and the OS was not supposed to handle multitouch.......
So now we have a dual core device, the OS doesn't support dual core except for a few HTC homebrews? I hope devs will manage to fix all this, it's kind of the same situation, having to bypass a limitation due to the OS using what HTC did for some apps
It will come eventually. But implementing working dualcore support isnt an easy thing to do from what i've heard^^ Its not the same thing as using multitouch.
Even on PC where multicore is established for years, support is still very basic. But im not a programmer so maybe someone else could explain it in details or use the mighty google.
I know how to use google, don't worry, but I've also seen many miracles since I've been in smartphones world, like for example playing tekken 2 full speed on a 624mhz CPU and no GPU or graphic chip, and I now cross my fingers.