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OK so i know this is the wrong forum, BUT I came across this and wanted to "bump" it so to speak. This was posted by kyphur in 08 and in a mods sig now. Please read and adhere to the spirit of the post. It is RIGHT ON!!!
I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.
Maybe you can recommend an alternative site for people who just want the newest tweaks and software.
the idea is not that only developers should be looking at this site, but that this is a place where developers communicate with each other and the beneficiaries of their work. This is not the place for someone to post threads about general questions about how to use or mod their device. This is a place that will develop the capabilities of the android platform if it is allowed. Developers WILL abandon this forum if it becomes a bulletin board or a technical support site.....and if you need a question answered, there are other forums on THIS site to address those.
Agreed 100%. While developing for the Windows mobile, I also got the same thing. I would post a thread and WARN people of a certain things and tell them how to fix it. Then I'd get 30 pages of "geeze, you broke something. how do you fix it?" That gets annoying real fast. I would love it if this forum forced people to take a test before they could post in the development sections... Before that, they should only be able to post in the regular sections.
One thing that really bugs me is the fact that the newbs don't want to search but don't realize that they take OUR time to search FOR them. No one knows everything. Every developer on this site searches and learns. I know that if you put together all the time that I've spent on this site JUST researching and searching, it'd be MONTHS and MONTHS of non-stop, no sleep searching and researching. So why can't the average person search for 2 minutes? Is their time worth more than my time?
/rant - while talking on the phone so it might not make sense...
Pinesal said:
Maybe you can recommend an alternative site for people who just want the newest tweaks and software.
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There are thousands, but essentially all they do is copy stuff off here.
Like the post said, if you just want to root your phone so it can do 'cool stuff' and not give a **** about how the damn thing works then maybe you shouldn't be modding your phone (that wasn't aimed at you btw, just 'people' in general the market place is made up of 99% 'these people' who don't/can't read and it's pretty irritating.)
Agree with the post 100%, fantastic
we sadly are living in the (ME) world
there is such a huge gape beetween the 10-19 generation and 20-29
10-19 generation is living in such an easy world, they never had to blow into their nintendo cassettes , know how heavy a quantum bigfoot is or what RTFM mean's
You said it, this is in the wrong forum.
You're not an admin and although you can spend your time here (and pretty much all of your posts) reporting out-of-place threads, you're still not an admin.
People always wonder into communities and it always takes a while to learn the way things work. Mickey is doing a good job on closing and moving threads that are unrelated to development.
With that said...
Reported.
Agreed. It's really, really, really, really getting to me. I wish OP's had semi-moderator power. They could at least delete all necessary posts and ban that user - if required- for a certain amount of time from their thread only.
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You said it, this is in the wrong forum.
You're not an admin and although you can spend your time here (and pretty much all of your posts) reporting out-of-place threads, you're still not an admin.
People always wonder into communities and it always takes a while to learn the way things work. Mickey is doing a good job on closing and moving threads that are unrelated to development.
With that said...
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ughh, no i'm not an admin, and no almost all my posts, or the majority, or a half are reported threads, but i do try to help out the mods when i can. they are not on all forums at all times and can use the help, and they have said as much.
Oh thank you thank you! People here should want to understand why thing the work as they work. Not just want their phones to look cool.
As it you wouldnt know it, i have been with xda for years well since the titan came out. before that i was modding an ipaq and of course the old palms. everyonce in awhile i lose interest and move on only to come back when i have something new(major a.d.d). i do write java as well as c and even c++(so on) i typically find this place useful to try stuff out and even set up my own custom rom just for me. i dont post because i can google. while i have many of my own questions i would like answered i simply dont ask most of the time(such as using micro kernels and modding app2sd to make the os have two options sd in or out. however the problem is not the generations or age difference or anything like that. its social systems outside of xda. posting a reply used to mean an answer or something useful. now its normal to simply post "great job". thats nice and all but maybe instead of complaining about it we should come up with a new system that improves xda. like a sorting system or sub thread system and set up catagorys for our replys. like thumbs up would be for the "good job". i know its hard to keep everyone happy but this is a forum first, a forum has design problems when you get the number of people xda has. use advanced search it helps a lot. a sorting system with requirements for certain catagorys would help devs. its not easy modding and getting it right and you cant do it alone. xda is the help even if its not your phone sometimes others have solutions too. such as winmo users putting android on their phones(yes i did it too my old titan for fun). things i learned and other devs learn can help us and vice versa. i have yet to find bad technology only poorly thought out ideas that could have been. which is why we mod.
p.s. wtf is up with palm and blackberry ads all the time.
Most of those kids just want the answer or fix in the next 3min. with perfect steps or a patch that supposedly will fix and hack their device,after that they´ll never show up.
All they want is to show off without bothering to read.
I totaly understand. I do feel sometimes that certain devs do get a bit annoyed with people who just want to fix the phone and not understand. I'm not linux or coding wiz. But whe I got here in may I was one of the people who just wanted me phone to be better than urs. I still have that to some extent but I have developed more of a "how and what is causeing this issue" attitude. I try to contribute as best as I can. Helping out over at q&a as best as I can. I enjoy xda and without my days would be more boring than what the are now. I dunno I guess I'm just rambling. Bottom line is I have tried to correct my attitude toward modding. Hell I even post my email so users can drop a line if they need help.
i am 20 and i fondly remember blowing into my nes super nes and genesis games.
i am pretty new to XDA. when i first found this site all i wanted was a quick fix. now i am getting more intrested in the actual dev aspect. i want to be able to create my own rom eventualy. yes i do find myself asking stupid questions and getting some foul responses but in my opinion no question is a stupid one. only the one not asked. yes alot of people just want a fix but there are new users who want to learn. like me. so i appreciate the help i have recieved from most members. and i alwasy appoligise for my stupidity. so dont get down on all noobs because alot of us want to learn and the only way to is to ask.
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i am pretty new to XDA. when i first found this site all i wanted was a quick fix. now i am getting more intrested in the actual dev aspect. i want to be able to create my own rom eventualy. yes i do find myself asking stupid questions and getting some foul responses but in my opinion no question is a stupid one. only the one not asked. yes alot of people just want a fix but there are new users who want to learn. like me. so i appreciate the help i have recieved from most members. and i alwasy appoligise for my stupidity. so dont get down on all noobs because alot of us want to learn and the only way to is to ask.
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nobody is getting down on noobs. ONLY the site users who FAIL to post questions and general comments in the correct forum
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nobody is getting down on noobs. ONLY the site users who FAIL to post questions and general comments in the correct forum
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Just want to make a statement befor someone did.
I thank you for this post. I came to this forum a long time ago I have learned quite a bit and appreciate everything that is done here. There are very skillful people that are on here and I wish I had the amount of skill then thesemodders, hackers, developers etc... have I keep my mouth shut unless i feel there is some thing that i know how to answer, i have never complained about a single rom i simply research what can be done to change for fix it, all answers rely in a search somewhere either here or google. I just wish other people would do the same then we would be able to prevent a 300+ page threads where only about 25 pages are worth anything.
look at the amount of posts from someone who knows they are barley able to contrubute(but do what he can) and been here this long. compared to people who have been here dont have much to contribute but love to post everything that comes to thier minds.
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samygent said:
we sadly are living in the (ME) world
there is such a huge gape beetween the 10-19 generation and 20-29
10-19 generation is living in such an easy world, they never had to blow into their nintendo cassettes , know how heavy a quantum bigfoot is or what RTFM mean's
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HEY!
im 18 and clearly remember blowing into those damn games to make them work. but when they worked, so much fun i still think theyre better than the crappy xbox and ps3 games of today... but thats just me. lol
pleeease yall! let's keep THIS thread on topic! LOL!!
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this forum. I respect the true developers that push out groundbreaking work and invest their time and talents into what they do, but I have noticed something that does make me a bit disappointed.
I first started coming to XDA early last year when I got me a G1... And while I am not a big contributor, I do adore reading through the wealth of knowledge and advice here. Early on it seems the feel of the board was so much more accepting and pleasant. It was one of the Biggest reasons I stuck with my G1 and felt it would be the big thing to come.
But it seems as of recent, the tone of some areas of this forum have went sour and south. I understand things happen, such as multiple posts about questions that have been answered or goofy comments. And these things get irritating. But they happen. When did the better than you, don't question us, and without warning "snaps" start happening.
I LOVE Android, and I am Very proud to be part of the Android wave since G1, but the bigger we get the more iPhone-fanatical and holier than thou the atmosphere is seemingly becoming.
Why should we treat new comers to the system with such venom or even older members. I have seen high post count members help in some posts and call new members "idiots" or the like, in others. I see threads getting squashed before the ink has dried regarding items of interest that - while a search could be beneficial - the problem may be slightly different or something completely different, if only the ones snapping off at the "member" would read them. I see people defending certain aspects with careless abandon of rationality. Same goes for new users that have a tech problem and get angry when the first response doesn't help. When did entitlement to instant answers come into the picture?
These are not highly common issues that are here - and all forums have such irritations - but they are still here and in much higher velocity the more expanded Android becomes.
I guess with great power comes great responsibility. And when the under dog becomes the big dog, he finds it necessary to bite all the other dogs in retribution.
I don't know, it just saddens me to see such actions here, and I guess I do kinda miss being the underdog a bit and enjoying the camaraderie that came with it.
EDIT: I want to stress that my intended meaning here is not that XDA has become some completely nasty, demented, angry beast. I love this forum. I am merely comparing today to the early days and how the recent breakout of Android and the aspect of being the top dog has changed some tones slightly.
Oh yes. The rudeness over in the Vibrant section is unacceptable.
We invite you to help us by reporting bad behavior, it´s impossible for us to look all the threads in all the sections, so we count a lot with the help of all members to make this more than 3 million great forum called XDA better.
Thanks,
I in no way meant this to mean it's the fault of the Moderators of XDA. Orb is absolutely correct. We readers and commenters are the front line to help remedy this. I am simply remarking on the state and tone of the masses, as we advance from small groups with pioneer devices to the majority of the mobile smart phone community.
Android is pure, its open... as well our arms and responses should be - in a respectful manner. To all questions big, small or redundant. To all comparisons and technological oppositions.
I say that as merely a comment of how we should hold our honor under this platform and as a community. Not as a indictment in any way. This should be the basis of Android and its adopters young and old in places like XDA that are one of the faces of our brand. It's what makes us great. All accepting and all helping. Coming from the small humble steps of Google slightly more than 10 years ago, to the pillars of might which they have now become, I guess this is what I initially meant to express....The original sight and humble nature should not be lost and above all negativity should be hindered.
And as Orb stated, we the readers are the best hope to help remedy such actions, and as such, we such be steadfast in keeping the tone positive and not condemning all things seemingly redundant or in opposition to Android.
Keep up the great work XDA. There are no villains here, merely a young and VERY inspired and dedicated community with a great future. Let's make sure that when the legend is written, that it's written with the proper feelings in place.
So very sorry to jump on a soap box.. I am just very proud to be a part of this community. And my pride spurs very much from the positive nature of this forum and the Android world in general. I never want to lose that rare gem.
They need to hire more Moderators
Proud to be XDA member!
Fantastic words!
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All accepting and all helping
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No need to be sorry, I can get your feeling and share it as well!!
Just adding: Not only Android...We have the father of all touch screen OS devices: Windows Mobile, also Windows Phone 7 and even iPhone all come together in XDA!! (and perhaps more to come in the future!)
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So very sorry to jump on a soap box.. I am just very proud to be a part of this community. And my pride spurs very much from the positive nature of this forum and the Android world in general. I never want to lose that rare gem.
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this is a very well put together comment. It sort of makes me feel bad of the few,very few times thay I had been rude. Not intentionally but just having a bad day and escaping to the forums for relaxation and ease then being rude in some of my comments. This certainly will make me be gratuous for such a great forum and for the help that I have gotten. I will definetly think twice of all my post from here on out.
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In my rant I completely neglected to keep in mind that XDA is not only the developmental face of Android but so many others. I kind of fell into tunnel vision as I jumped upon my soap box. All other OS platforms should absolutely be acknowledged and thank you Orb for correcting me.
I guess I was focusing more on the Android section of this site due to its weight here and the fact I spend all my time in these sections. Seeing negativity in the areas where there is an assumed open and welcoming nature of Android and its community, tweaked me and inspired me to post this. After thinking about it, this is to say, my thoughts aren't 100% specifically toward the Android section and not to be dismissing the likes of Win7, WinMobile, iPhone and of course (and well stated, Orb) all others to come. I see myself as more of a member of the Android section than any other, but the general feel of my comments are to span all forum sections. Respect, thats what is important.
Thank you, caguirr4, and any following posters with such thoughts. That was my exact intention here. For us all to reanalyze our responses and comments, even when we have had a bad day or feel irritable for redundancy or what some may see as surface ignorance. And to understand that not all readers are developers or highly computer savvy. But merely wanting to get a foothold in this complex area and most are doing what they can. We should open our arms, as we do our code, and allow them safe passage. Especially without the fear of receiving a scathing reply to a post simply reaching for help or personal expression.
And above all thank you ALL for what you do in this incredibly innovative, inspiring and all around wonderful forum.
I shall now step down from this podium and stop wasting everyones time. haha
I know I've personally been rude a few times and I see your point. I was once just as lost with android as some of the new members coming here. Each thread should be treated as important and relevant and if something as simple as a search would suffice then a link to the topic with the answer could be provided and instead of "omg search n00b" a more friendly "Here is the link, please search a bit more carefully next time" could be placed. I know some would still take that as hostile even when it's not meant to be but it is less aggressive and if the person is new maybe even throw in a "and welcome to the forums". I don't really contribute that much in terms of development (I'm not sure you'd even really call my thread development or not) but I, like you, love this community and the amazing things that can be done when we join together. I know some of us just get a bit annoyed at seeing the same question a few hundred times over and there's always that one "straw that breaks the camel's back" and as we learn more ourselves some answers may seem obvious to us when they're not so obvious to others. Thank you for posting this and making us all think about not only our own posts in response to others, but what we really want this community to be and what its potential is.
Thank you OP for the feedback. We will certainly keep this in mind and try to get better.
Over the past few months we have grown enormously, we have added numerous non-hTC devices, plus we have openly started adding all android devices which come out compared to previously only Windows mobile OS devices. Which has lead to a huge influx of new members.
XDA is a convergence of numerous types of people some know it all, some are really knew, some understand english really well, and some not so well.. This is what leads to frustrations, and hence rude-ness over the forums. Eventually as people mature on XDA, they hopefully do learn the manners of posting on a board such as XDA.
And those who don't we moderators are always their to deal with them.
Thank you again for the feedback, it has been noted and we will surely try to make XDA a more welcoming and friendlier place.
Any issues/suggestions/comments feel free to contact me.
It seems that since more developers are leaving XDA, and members are flocking to there forums or other android forums. Now I know XDA for quiet some time. I just wish they change some of the ways to certain things. We probably have all developers and more. Support now for the thunderbolt is getting less. Developers who supported the thunderbolt are harder to find. At least for me, I feel like I might need a change very soon since the support for the thunderbolt has lessen.
All I am trying to say is why XDA can't just adapt and have disclaimers for users to understand they need to READ to understand there device and what they are doing to it. Root , and roms updating has risk. People need to ensure they cover every side they read before they do anything on there device.
I like the "thanks" system on xda but to me it really seems there needs to be a way of giving individual posts negative feedback. most social surfing websites have this feature and the ones that implement it well really improve their posting community. The steps are quite simple:
1. Create a social currency (already exists in the thanks meter system)
2. promote the currency so that users really value it, create a culture based on the currency (hardest step)
3. give users the power to say "yay or nay" on any post and again push the culture to participate
4. Add to or detract from the users currency balance based on the votes their posts receive.
5. Below a certain threshold the posts become invisible unless you specifically want to see them
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I like the "thanks" system on xda but to me it really seems there needs to be a way of giving individual posts negative feedback. most social surfing websites have this feature and the ones that implement it well really improve their posting community. The steps are quite simple:
1. Create a social currency (already exists in the thanks meter system)
2. promote the currency so that users really value it, create a culture based on the currency (hardest step)
3. give users the power to say "yay or nay" on any post and again push the culture to participate
4. Add to or detract from the users currency balance based on the votes their posts receive.
5. Below a certain threshold the posts become invisible unless you specifically want to see them
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You raise a good idea, but I think it can be much simpler. A simple + or - for each post would allow users to "rate" the posts. Then a simple filter that will allow users to only show posts with rating s above a certain level would suffice. Useless drivel and repetitive questions will quickly disappear from the filtered results. Any such change more than likely requires some significant updates to the forum though.
As has also been proven before, if large entities don't adapt to changing times, they can die. I don't think XDA is in danger of this yet, but it isn't quite as rich of a resource as it once was.
mthe0ry said:
I like the "thanks" system on xda but to me it really seems there needs to be a way of giving individual posts negative feedback. most social surfing websites have this feature and the ones that implement it well really improve their posting community. The steps are quite simple:
1. Create a social currency (already exists in the thanks meter system)
2. promote the currency so that users really value it, create a culture based on the currency (hardest step)
3. give users the power to say "yay or nay" on any post and again push the culture to participate
4. Add to or detract from the users currency balance based on the votes their posts receive.
5. Below a certain threshold the posts become invisible unless you specifically want to see them
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I think this is a good idea, however I don't think it should be as simple as a hitting a negative button similar to the thanks button because it wouldn't be used right most of the time. Say I disagree with your post above, that doesn't mean its a bad post and should receive negative feedback, it just means our opinions differ (though they don't, just an example). If there were a few reasons like; trolling, negative comment towards fellow member (including racism/sexism/any ism's, lol), and maybe a repeat topic/question for all the new threads that get started multiple times a day because the op didn't look for the answer first (which would work better if there was a sticky with info or links to info such as what root and other root related things are and links to how to's). Then once posts reach a certain number of negative feedback for the same "offense" that comment would then be hidden with the reason shown.
Where is everyone going to?
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As far as I know only 2 dev teams left and that due to being treated poorly by people not taking the time to read through threads and follow instructions.
Both of their roms are still available at their personal sites
teambamf.com and themikmik.com
teambamf.net
hopefully they'll get their issues sorted out because the site hasn't been solid yet due to apparent dos attacks.
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teambamf.net
hopefully they'll get their issues sorted out because the site hasn't been solid yet due to apparent dos attacks.
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Site is back now for Team BAMF
Trident said:
We're back!
wifiguru and I have been working tirelessly all night moving Team BAMF Forums over to a new server and installing a fresh copy of vBulletin. After doing so, we noticed that our issues were not quite resolved as there was a bot submitting approximately 1000 requests per second to port 80 which was causing the server to reach a state of low memory and overload the CPU. We've beefed up our firewall and limited the amount of requests a single IP address can issue per second which should prevent such an attack in the future. Let it be known that this was indeed an attack on our website though. Pretty lame and immature, huh?
Anyways, we're terribly sorry for the downtime! I don't think we'll be seeing much of that in the days to come..
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you really think this site and smartphone growth/development isn't bigger than the TBolt, BAMF and Chingy? Maybe a big blow to you personally or Tbolt community here but come on XDA probably has WAY more members than it had last year and will have WAY more next year than it has this year. And you can bet these "flocks" going to their personal sites are still small and will always be compared to XDA's Tbolt (and other) communities. I'm personally not joined to the hip to any dev's work so if I really dont like the dev's alternate site or there isn't sufficient information there's always another virtually identicle or simular enough rom on XDA to switch over to.
I came here to post about my experience with rooted TBolt, but I cannot post in those threads... Not enough posts. This is very frustrating. It pushes me to go search some alternative ways to talk with developers.
Bad spelling and grammar don't help, either...
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you really think this site and smartphone growth/development isn't bigger than the TBolt, BAMF and Chingy? Maybe a big blow to you personally or Tbolt community here but come on XDA probably has WAY more members than it had last year and will have WAY more next year than it has this year. And you can bet these "flocks" going to their personal sites are still small and will always be compared to XDA's Tbolt (and other) communities. I'm personally not joined to the hip to any dev's work so if I really dont like the dev's alternate site or there isn't sufficient information there's always another virtually identicle or simular enough rom on XDA to switch over to.
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You really think tbolt devs are the only ones leaving?
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For those of you familiar with Linux distros and their forums, think of it like this: devs here are more like the kind of people you'd find on the Arch or Gentoo forums--they believe (rightfully) that anyone who even considers flashing roms should already know the answers to these questions. And if they honestly don't, the documentation or Google are only a click away.
Now the newbie users, they're more like the kind of people you find on ubuntu forums- people who got sick of the boring factory junk that their device came with, so they switched to this new thing they heard about through a friend and realized too late that it's not as stupid simple as clicking 'next' again and again when installing programs in windows.
You can see the clash that these groups would have...
Two things: there should be a 'newbie' subforum just like EVERY other major project on the internet does, where the questions would be asked and FAQ's could be posted and pinned. And second, the lack of all-inclusive documentation needed to bridge the gap between the two groups is only forcing them further apart.
I had no problem flashing bamf sense 3.0, or changing scripts in init.d because I'm used to looking up the answers on the internet and know how to tell what's junk and what's not. But a lot of users don't. Hence, the need for an all-inclusive newbie subforum with how-to's and FAQ's and such.
I'd be more than happy to contribute to such an endeavor with the admins' blessing too
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admiralspark said:
because I'm used to looking up the answers on the internet and know how to tell what's junk and what's not. But a lot of users don't. Hence, the need for an all-inclusive newbie subforum with how-to's and FAQ's and such.
I'd be more than happy to contribute to such an endeavor with the admins' blessing too
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Exactly my issue...I know what I want to with my TBOLT, but haven't bc of all the junk out on the web for rooting. Id love some one on one support if anyone is willing to help
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BAMF has said repeatedly that they did not leave due to anything any users said/did. They left for another reason.
Chingy left for some user related issues still contributes greatly to the community.
Both groups still contribute to TB development and will continue to from their sites. Either way most of the development spawns across multiple forums anyway so I dont see any development slowing down in the future.
From the looks of most of the questions asked on the thunderbolt subforum (since many would be better asked or looked for in the general forums), I would gather that most that frequent it think that this forum == xda, which is not true. Compared to the other forums, this one is far more juvenile and dramatic. People are not "leaving" in droves in any other forums nor are developers. Sometimes I think the thunderbolt was the officially endorsed phone of 4chan.
Anyways, xda is not dying. One would think that though if all they read is the thunderbolt forums though
I dont' mind helping the noobs, but sometimes the more obvious questions can wear on you and all you want to say is RTFM, which is probably what the developers that left wanted to say as well. I don't think those that do say such things do it out of being mean, but do it more out of frustration that all the help and advice they might give in the past is just in vain/futility.
As already mentioned. There are two crowds on xda. The mint/ubuntu/what is ubuntu types that will 99% of the time need spoon fed even after helping past the basic stuff and the arch/debian/slackware types that know how to look for information themselves. Those two groups rarely ever seem to "get" each other anyways as also mentioned.
I think as far as the developers are concerned they just want to do their own thing and that's more than understandable! What I don't understand is why shoot yourself in the foot by leaving a huge market like xda (4 million members). If it's personal reasons I can understand but what better way to get more attention than being on multiple forums.
Xda isn't perfect and never will be but I'm not giving up hope that it can be better and moderation is gonna go way up from here on out that's a promise. Another problem is there aren't many mods in thunderbolt section (2 that i know of) but I plan on bringing that up so we can get some more help in here.
The noob sub forum probably won't happen, don't want to alienate new members. What can be done is improved stickies which is being done as I type. There will always be members who ask before searching but with improved stickies it will reduce it.
Some moderating from the mods would be nice too. They should be deleting unuseful posts like "search" and cursing. The problem is when you search for issues you find other threads but the conversation inside them is "search" followed by a pissing contest. Stickies with more information would help and I like the feature that searches for you when you create a new thread. Everyone needs to respect each other here. That's when the mods need to step in and start laying down the ban hammer and warnings. I'd love to help in that department.
Agreed, but a small team will have all sorts of trouble trying to moderate a userbase of 4 million...but we could all help to reduce the number of questions if there was a single source of information to send new users to. So, I'll begin writing up some things tonight (RL class for now).
On a side note, if you'd like some one-on-one help, I'm more than happy to do so through pm/chat/skype/whatever. Everyone started at square one once upon a time
sent from my rooted Thunderbolt with das BAMF 3.0 rc4
I've already created a sticky guide, I'm still working on it as I go feel free to add what ever yall feel necessary!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433
Hi there. I've been a member of XDA for a few years, brought here to learn how to muck about with my old first-generation Galaxy S. The experience has been extremely educational and I've learned lots of things about mobile devices, how they work and the various miscellany related to the industry.
Partially because of my experiences here on XDA, I decided to come here and seek data! For a school project I'm working on a look at the state of open-source on mobile devices, which Android will naturally be a prominent part of. As a part of this project--which spans across several essays that will eventually be posted to a blog--I need to interview an expert in the field of whatever it is I'm researching.
To that end I'd like to get in touch with a Recognized Developer here on XDA for an interview, preferably over Skype or some other instant messaging client, so I can easily record the conversation and implement the interview into my articles and essays.
The requirements for the interview are pretty simple--it just needs to be a short interview with an expert in the field focused on by my research topic. The questions I intend to ask range from overall broad questions about the state of open-source on mobile devices and more specific questions about Android, rooted app development and/or ROM development and things of that nature.
Anyway if anyone's interested in doing something like this please let me know, either by replying to this thread or by sending me a PM.
Hi there new userThis website isn't familiar with you, is it? Well let me introduce it to you my little fellow, this is xda-developpers.com, a forum where -previously android enthusiasts, now smartphone enthusiasts- share content, ask questions, give advices and answers, in order to customize our phone expirience. XDA has been a home for small project before they became very successful, one of the best examples is @zx2c4 's WireGuard, that has been integrated into the linux kernel now and will be available natively in Android 12 (source). zx2c4 has been developing this project in its early days for Android and ROM integration here at XDA. All of that to say, XDA is great, because of the community, and also the Moderation team that work their asses off to maintain XDA as spam free as possible. (am a mod now lol)
You know, I had the feeling that you'd come here first and start frenetically posting about how you feel, but there are some RULES (ta da) that you'll have to follow before posting about why you only buy product red iPhones in a 100 lines post. Here are some useful links to learn how to properly use and post on XDA.
Before reading them tho, finish this post first (there's a surprise down there),and go check out this one minute video to understand what xda is all about.
Read tha RuleS
You know the rules, and so do I
Welcome to XDA
you can use the report button, it's not snitching, it's asking for help
how to properly name and write a post
Your "career" as XDA forum user
The rest of the link are here
Now that I got your attention with the surprise thing, keep reading. I perfectly know that you will click on the first link and read half of it, because those are really long reads, but trust me it's worth it in the end. I'll make a summary of what you absolutely need to know before doing anything:
1-Questions about iPhones belongs here, xda has to keep the forum organised, every sections has a title that needs to be respected, for example "Android Q'n'A" is for Q'n'A related to ANDROID, do not post pictures of di.. I mean dogs, or questions about iPhones or about your Roomba not working. This is the most common problem with newbies on XDA. If you post properly, you won't get bashed by experimented users.
2-Press that frickin thank button
each time someone helps you, it's very important (you can give 8 thanks per day)unlimited now
3-Don't discuss anything else than android, in android forums. This means NO POLITICAL DISCUTION
3bis-You can't sell anything on XDA, and for paid software, there are strict rules before promoting them on XDA. Read THIS
4-You need at least to read the rules, I know this isn't funny and stuff, but you have to. And follow the rules! Otherwise you'll feel how hard the ban hammer in the hands of a powerful user (@T.C.Stockdale, @coal686, @xanthrax, and much more fearless hammer wielders)
5-You can't change your username once you chose it, so choose wisely (also you can ask @MikeChannon through PMs to change it, so please stop asking)
6-Be nice, even if some users are kinda bashing you because you're a n00b, and don't worry, if you read this you won't be a n00b anymore, but a new user, and I'll have a talk with these users after that (it's the "Quick message for you fellow "old" XDA users" in the title)
7-Enjoy the forums, there's so much to learn here! Although it's android only for the moment, new developers from the iPhone community will come (hopefully) and share content with you, so you can enjoy
Here is the surprise: ?, you deserved it, now you're a little more aware of what you're doing
Now for experimented iPhone users, hello there !You may know already everything I've said above because I guess you're coming from another forum to check if xda is just garbage or if it's great, and since you're experimented, you've had the curiosity to read all of this until there. Well let me tell you things that you'll be interested in. First XDA is kind of an old forum (if you want the full story: part 1, part 2). This interface isn't 2020, in fact it's has been designed and applied in 2015 (not so recently lol). And this forum uses vBulletin right now. So if you know what I'm talking about, it sounds like xda is outdated, but don't worry, it's now time for Xenforo and XDA 2020 interface (check this out). You're the core of the iPhone community, and you know it. As you make mods, find jailbreak exploits and other cool stuff, you allow other users to enjoy for free (most of the time lol) your content. XDA is all about sharing knowledge, content, etc... and has a huge community, so your work will be taken to a whole new dimension since you'll now be able to be directly in touch with a huge part of the community. I'm sure that you had your own favourite forum, but try out xda, it can only better the experience, because if YOU come, other developers will too, and make iPhone and Android Developers cooperate to make, who knows, one of the greatest piece of software ever created. I can't wait to see what is going to come out of this!
Now, a message to all fellow "before iPhone forums" XDA users:If you're really old, you may remember this video, I got a flashback when seeing this forum opened lol.
This is crazy, I'd never have thought XDA would open iPhone forums, yet they did.
I use both Android and iOS, and to be honest, I've tried iOS, and it's way less "featureful" than Android, the design language is appealing, but having a phone with which you can't even access internal storage is kind of a joke to me.
But each of us have our own opinions, right ?
The thing that'll really change here is the community. I think that the Portal team and XDA admins thought this decision through for a long time. Because since XDA is well known around tech enthusiasts (Android or Apple), Apple enthusiasts will eventually popularize XDA among the more unexperimented iOS users seeking for a way to have [MOD INFINITE VBUCKS FORTNITE LEGIT 1000% WORKING read the description], and that's what I wanted to talk about.
More seriously, it'll bring some of the very experimented users that will eventually provide this forum with very useful guides and Mods, but it will also bring A LOT of newbies. XDA was also known in the past for n00b bashing Android beginners, and now it's the Apple ones...
I know that sometimes it's hard to hear the same questions over and over again and not being infuriated and upset, but I'll ask you, please, to don't bash the crap out of iPhone newbies, if they become developers who knows how they'll improve our experience with maybe cross-plateform development. I know what I say isn't something that you didn't heard before, but please be patient with them, I mean they're not so weak that they're scared by the first critic that hits them, but if we can keep this clean and have a good relationship with them, maybe our two communities will finally end this war that has lasted for eons before us.
Well thank you for reading this until the end, you're very brave. My teachers always said I couldn't be concise when saying something, well they were damn right. Hope you have a good day.
Edit #1: Typos, a lot of them !
Edit #2: Updating color for dark mode user of XDA 2021, the look changed, the rules are the same !
Edit #3: Removing cringy poll
Edit #4: Updating some link here and there
Raiz said:
4-You need at least to read the rules, I know this isn't funny and stuff, but you have to. And follow the rules! Otherwise you'll feel how hard the ban hammer in the hands of a powerful user (@T.C.Stockdale, @coal686, @xanthrax, and much more fearless hammer wielders)
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Thank you for mentioning me with these other two great guys. I prefer not to use the ban hammer; the carrot is better than the stick.
Welcome iPhone users! We hope we can get some good iPhone discussion and development going on here. :good:
On behalf of the portal team and the wider leadership team behind XDA as a whole, thanks for this message! It sums up everything really well and we're excited to see how these iPhone forums go.
If anyone has questions about the iPhone 12, feel free to ask (I am using one right now)!
I am now using the iPhone 12 pro max as my main phone and something said go check out xda. Glad to know there’s somewhat of an iphone section. I’m sure I’m not the only one that realized there’s an iPhone developers site but it’s dead.
aarongotgame said:
I am now using the iPhone 12 pro max as my main phone and something said go check out xda. Glad to know there’s somewhat of an iphone section. I’m sure I’m not the only one that realized there’s an iPhone developers site but it’s dead.
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Are you talking about that oooold website ?
http://iphone-developers.com/
It was the first attempt to make an iPhone forum.
* Nostalgic music playing in the background*
There are still some relevant pieces of infos there.
Check out this section for basic "what is jailbreak" guides http://iphone-developers.com/page/iphone-jailbreak-guides-resources/
And this one for instant nostalgia:
http://iphone-developers.com/index.php/app-reviews/
Raiz said:
Are you talking about that oooold website ?
http://iphone-developers.com/
It was the first attempt to make an iPhone forum.
* Nostalgic music playing in the background*
There are still some relevant pieces of infos there.
Check out this section for basic "what is jailbreak" guides http://iphone-developers.com/page/iphone-jailbreak-guides-resources/
And this one for instant nostalgia:
http://iphone-developers.com/index.php/app-reviews/
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Yes lol I was like Wow. I went to the jailbreak wizard. That was nice that an attempt was made to even start a full independent developers site.
@Raiz Rules link in op is old
old: https://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81
new: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/xda-developers-forum-rules.4200559/