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Basically a touch cruise type of screen vs a screen with plastic/metal borders.
Whats your experience, im torn between phones and want to know whats more useful.
my opinion is that the flush screen is a finger print magnet. on a Phone like the Cruise it will make it look dirty because of all the prints.
With the new touch interfaces how much does the flush screen contribute to usabilit?.
Those that switched from a bordered screen to a flush one pls let me know what relief you felt and what new annoyances have you encountered.
thx
The good part is that it's a lot easier to touch near the corners or edges with your fingers. For example, the "X" close button. When swiping your finger, you also don't run into a border.
The bad part it that the screen is less protected, but if you take good care of it, it shouldn't be a problem.
I am for the Flush screen because it makes using my favourite SIP Cootek's TouchPal so much easier.
I like flush better, things like scrollbars are so much easier to use.
On my touch, it seems like the touchscreen is about 3 milimeters more outside than the screen...
only my perception
Ive had an athena and a tytn, so in a direct comparison to the tytn, touch has a way better screen
I went from a Mogul to a Touch and I much prefer the flush screen. I don't like to get the stylus out in day to day use, so being able to access all corners of the screen with my thumb is a necessity.
seems like you all have agreed that flush screen is vastly more comfortable.
What is your experience with finger print marks on the surface and effectiveness of various screen protectors... do they slide around with out borders keeping them in place??
flush FTW.
going from a bezeled 6700 to flush touch, is marvelous and makes touchscreening alot easier.
+1 for flush, in additon to the huge functional benefits it also
1. helps avoid dirt buildup in the corners,
2. makes the screen look bigger as it is no longer overshadowed by the phone's border,
3. and looks a lot more aesthetically pleasing.
What is your experience with finger print marks on the surface and effectiveness of various screen protectors... do they slide around with out borders keeping them in place??
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I can't answer the screeen protector question as I think they look tacky, but from reading the boards, ppl say they have no problem sticking. As far as fingerprints, yea my touch cruise does get fingerprints, but I wipe them off regularly, and I use the incuded oem suede/microfiber form fitting pouch which tends to clean off the finger prints as you insert the device.
Flush is much better in my opinion. The flush screens on the Touch and Touch Cruise is a harder plastic unlike the normal touchscreen and I like that.
Also, it is easier to type on a flush screen.
I am using the O2 Atom Life. The bezel is at an angle so while the screen is sunk in, it is much easier to get in the corner compared to a regular sunk in screen.
Lol any arguments for sunk-in screens
haha guess no one wants to defent sun in screens
anyone??
On the TyTN I, those borders saved the screen countless times. I do not always have the pouch handy so a common decision is to put the thing down on a flat surface, screen facing downwards: that way nothing will fall on it, and spills will be less destructive. A typical iPhone-ish design won't last two weeks with me without scratches or worse, and would drive me paranoid even more. I value the peace of mind a lot, and I need a touchscreen. Sadly, good ole' designs with sunken screens, resistive touchscreens and lots of hardware buttons (yet another story) are becoming extinct.
Inconveniences are small. With some acrobatics, the Close button can still be quickly reached with a fingernail, even if they are short. Just try to use the plane of a fingernail, not its edge.
However a protective border that is high enough and some five millimeters away from screen corners could radically change experience for most users. Which manufacturer will have balls to dare such a thing, during the times when everyone is chasing iPhone? Let's hope that my TyTN will be still alive then. Since I've bought it a few years ago, I haven't seen any decent upgrade; even its cousin, Kaiser, has changed in the wrong direction -- would mean more problems than comfort. Apparently the choice will be harsh.
Despite being careful, my screen is increasingly getting scratched. The scratches are only noticeable when the device is off (thank goodness).
If there are any other persons with the same problem, please post here.
I guess that you did not use a screen protector, right?
Correct. I also own a TyTn II and have no issues with the screen whatsoever. Of all the devices I have owned over the years, only this TC has been an issue.
I was noticing the same so applied the included screen protector... I usually don't bother as I don't like them and the device is a throwaway after a year anyway so it's not a big deal. But in this case I figured if it was like that after a few weeks then after 6 months I'd probably not be able to see the screen!
I've had a few Palm devices before i switched to WM and i noticed this scratching as well......Luckily i'm using the included protector.
I have to say on my previous Palms i didn't have this problem, also while using a protector, which makes me suspect that the stylus is the real problem here.
Any thoughts on this?
I use the screen protector, and also got some spares. I also cover the whoel device with a liquid "screen" protector to helpthe faces from getting ruined. So far so good
Problem with the Touch Cruise (Polaris...) is, that the screen is - unlike the Kaiser's - flat and not indent. This means, its exposed to EVERYTHING it touches. Thus chances are higher you'll get one or two scratches once in a while.
Second thing which I can only cite other ppl on other forums: those Polaris allegedly have a softer top layer to be able to operate the unit using only your finger. This would support catching scratches as well...
I'd use the protector. It's a shame having scratches on that mirrored surface.
Schaggo, can you indicate what other forums people are commenting about the screen?
I am interested in your view that the top layer is softer than most others.
i agree that the stylus is the problem ... to much thin... , i tried one from nintendo ds , it's much more rounded and it slide better ( sorry for my english...)
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i agree that the stylus is the problem ...
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Yeah, I'm using one from my old IPAQ !
ou guys use other styluses? I use my finger, thats what the Touch series should be made for I know it doesnt really work, the fonts are way too small...
Hicksville, I cannot judge what the other ppl say because I used the protector right away. Nothing ever touched my screen without the protector applied. But as I got it, the top film seems to be made of a softer material than the one of other WM devices. Reason for that is the reason for the "Touch" in the devices name: to make the touch layer register the actual point, where the finger tries to point at. If the top layer would be harder/stiffer it allegedly cant tell where exactly the finger tried to hit the screen because the area involved ('touched' eg. pressed down) would be bigger than with a soft top layer. Thats what I got and which makes some sense.
And logically a soft surface is more prone to be 'hurt' than a surface made of hard material. So I guess this might be connected. But I have to repeat, these are all assumptions by users and in no way official statements.
I've been using my phone w/o a screen protector, and I haven't gotten any scratches. Like schaggo I mainly use my finger. I did however test the screen by applying a lot of pressure with the stylus in a sweeping motion, and I didn't get any scratches (don't ask me what possessed me to try this). I later tried a much more conclusive scratch test on a CDMA Touch unit in a store on both the screen and the body and got no scratches! Yes, I applied a lot of pressure, (However, someone else had managed to put a scratch on the CDMA Touch's screen, but that scratch was really deep and probably done with a really sharp object; on the other hand, I did my testing with my TC stylus). I coudln't scratch both the body or the screen using a lot of pressure from my stylus and my nails. Maybe some of you exposed the TC to coins or keys inadvertantly?
That's pretty gutsy to test it on your own device. I am using the screen protector and I have a few scratches on that which is fine. When the time comes, I'll replace it with a new protector. As far as the rest of the case, I have been very careful so far with my device and haven't gotten any scratches anywhere on it. I think that suede/rubber whatever feel of the device is nice but I think it will scratch.
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That's pretty gutsy to test it on your own device. I am using the screen protector and I have a few scratches on that which is fine. When the time comes, I'll replace it with a new protector. As far as the rest of the case, I have been very careful so far with my device and haven't gotten any scratches anywhere on it. I think that suede/rubber whatever feel of the device is nice but I think it will scratch.
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Yes, very gutsy, I pushed hard enough to watch the screen sink it and rise back up very slowly...I don't know what I was thinking, but hey it turned out well w/o any scratches. The plastic on the screen is a lot stronger than your typical screen protector, so that fact along with my tests pretty much confirmed it for me. Furthermore, I don't like the look of screen protectors and I'm worried that they'll hinder touch flow.
As far as the casing, it seems bulletproof. But I'm like you, I keep it in the oem suede/microfiber case whenever its not being held to my ear for a phone call, and I've never put it in a pocket with anything else.
Actually with the suede comment I was talking about the body of the actual device. I'm not sure what that is but it has a nice texture to it. I haven't used that pouch that came in the package. Not a big fan of it. Head on over to the acc forum to see which cases people like. As far as the screen protector goes the original one does not hinder touch capabilities. Also in the acc forum they discuss different screen protectors, you might wanna check out one of those as well.
Okay guys first of all i know all the benefits to a screen protector, but on my old iPhone that didnt have a screen protector and the screen was fine, no scratches etc etc.... I was wondering do we really, really need a protector on the diamond? As im sure that without it it would be much smoother to use?
I applied my screen protector as soon as I unboxed my phone however was wondering of the opinions of people that a) didnt and b) took their protectors off and used the device.
Does the screen 'feel' any different without it?
Please post in the right section (Diamond accessories).
Screen protectors are advised, 'cause you reduce the risk of damage to the screen itself (which will be expensive to replace). It will dull the sensitivity slightly (although less than on the iPhone screens as they use different technology.)
HI
the diamond really need a screen protector
the glass is very fragile!
personnaly i ve made a little scratch
when i remove my old screen protector
with a knife!!!
the iphone as a really good screen
very hard to scratch....
anyone know whats the difference in screen tech between the iPhone and the Diamond?
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anyone know whats the difference in screen tech between the iPhone and the Diamond?
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Diamond has resistive touch screen, iPhone has capacitive.
That means the iPhone can have a solid (glass) front to the screen.
xboxmod said:
HI
the diamond really need a screen protector
the glass is very fragile!
personnaly i ve made a little scratch
when i remove my old screen protector
with a knife!!!
the iphone as a really good screen
very hard to scratch....
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Use the sticky side of a piece of tape to remove the old screenprotector.
That's the way the pro's are doing it. Use the same sticky tape to pick up small residue on screen before applying the new one.
I have PDA's more 10 years not the first but i still keep my old casio e-105 and since that a lot of them ...
For me it was all a big worry the screen scratches and so every pda had screen protector kit and i tried allot of them different brands different textures, glued , fitted etc...
Right now i look back on my desk and see a bunch of PDA all of them with beautiful screens none with scratches.. BUT.... BUT... I'm more happy to have 9 year old pda without scratches ??? don't think so....
I don't think i will be worst if one them had a screen scratch vs the issues a screen protector have, less sensitive worst view of screen etc...
In diamond is even worst because the screen don't have borders to fit the protection, so will add one more layer on top.......
Even if i have mixed feelings about it i will keep my diamond without screen protector...
maybe next year when i buy the new "whatsoever model" and put this on the shelf i will say damn scratch on the screen but so what.... its on shelf and the time i had keep it, i use that screen at full no lame plastics on top...
just a thought....
But the iPhones isn´t usable with a stylus only with fingers due to the influence in the static field of the capacitive touchscreen.
Well actually the Diamond got TWO touchscreens, it also have a capacitive touchscreen under the normal screen and under the touchpad (buttons) beside the resistive touchscreen on the surface of the screen. (sushilange fond that).
it is a must
you are mad if you don't
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I have PDA's more 10 years not the first but i still keep my old casio e-105 and since that a lot of them ...
For me it was all a big worry the screen scratches and so every pda had screen protector kit and i tried allot of them different brands different textures, glued , fitted etc...
Right now i look back on my desk and see a bunch of PDA all of them with beautiful screens none with scratches.. BUT.... BUT... I'm more happy to have 9 year old pda without scratches ??? don't think so....
I don't think i will be worst if one them had a screen scratch vs the issues a screen protector have, less sensitive worst view of screen etc...
In diamond is even worst because the screen don't have borders to fit the protection, so will add one more layer on top.......
Even if i have mixed feelings about it i will keep my diamond without screen protector...
maybe next year when i buy the new "whatsoever model" and put this on the shelf i will say damn scratch on the screen but so what.... its on shelf and the time i had keep it, i use that screen at full no lame plastics on top...
just a thought....
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But still love the Love and passion you speak of.
Something that looks this nice Should look as nice ass possible.
Maybe some company is smart enough to make a full body screen protector. (maybe it allready exist heavn't looked)
I have double feelings about this.
My Touch Screen wothout protections is starting to lose the top layer on the right side of screen (i never really got the hang of using that unnatural touch scrolling and kept using the scrollbar)
Try to teach an old dog new tricks
It's expensive, but this seems to be a good full-protection:
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield...es-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
We will see this shamefull Spam through the fingers this time
The video sells let's be honoust.
But a video of how to strap on these Protective Phone Kevlar Condom Vests would be usefull.
If anyone get's he's her hands one one of these i'd be interested on how it looks and let's itself be applied. It is pricey but for the Price i'll be paying for the Pro it might be a very good investment.
im going to give that invisible shield a try. sounds cool and i like my devices like from box :>
Does the Pro have the exact same front as the Diamond, or even the Cruise, i.e. a flush screen, no grooves etc between the edge of the screen and frame of the phone?
Also, I wish someone could do a real life size comparisson of the Pro with an HTC vox or something. Specs say basically the same measurements, but I find it hard to believe. Vox is tiny.
The screen is like the diamond. Completely flat and no bezel.
Regarding the size: For a PocketPC it is pretty small. More like a regular cell phone. People who prefer the latest super flat phones (~11mm) refer to the 18mm thickness of the Pro as "thick" or "brick like"... honestly, this is not really the case.
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The screen is like the diamond. Completely flat and no bezel.
Regarding the size: For a PocketPC it is pretty small. More like a regular cell phone. People who prefer the latest super flat phones (~11mm) refer to the 18mm thickness of the Pro as "thick" or "brick like"... honestly, this is not really the case.
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2nd, if you look through the 50 something pages in the thread I made, one of the first things I noticed is how small it is. Tilt seems to be the best comparison, and it's like 12mm longer, 7mm wider and the same thickness.
Thanks guys. Quite psyched then, love the idea that it is smaller.
At work, I often have to sign or annotate documents. Adobe Reader will do this, but the signature is not very accurate with fat fingers. (Signnow is much better, but doesn’t work for a different reason!). I thought I’d try using a stylus, so I bought a couple of low-cost ones experimentally but they weren’t great.
1. CAPACITIVE Stylus Pen Samsung i5500 Galaxy Europa
Pretty rubbish, with flappy bit of rubber on end. Wasn’t able to press hard enough to draw, so I cut it off and afterwards it didn’t work at all! £1.98
Can't insert link (too few posts) so you'll have to cut-and-paste. Sorry!
ebay.co.uk/itm/370477728169?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
2. Black Aluminium Capacitive Drawing Stylus Pen for Draw Something Game App
Works better, though ball on end is very soft so can’t do anything accurately £3.99
ebay.co.uk/itm/120889993694?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
There are others, but many are a lot more expensive. Does anybody have any recommendations of what works well with the MT4GS?
I tried a capacitive stylus on my DesireZ aka Vision, it was basically like a pen with with a firm black rounded rubbery tip like an eraser ball
it worked but it obscured enough of the screen to make it somewhat pointless as you didn't gain any accuracy.
you might be better off trying a bluetooth mouse.
Yes, the ball on the end rather got in the way, something with a shape a bit closer to a pencil or a tapering chisel tip would be better. I'll look at a mouse too, thanks for the suggestion.
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I tried a capacitive stylus on my DesireZ aka Vision, it was basically like a pen with with a firm black rounded rubbery tip like an eraser ball
it worked but it obscured enough of the screen to make it somewhat pointless as you didn't gain any accuracy.
you might be better off trying a bluetooth mouse.
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As if using your finger doesn't normally obscure the screen...
There are times I'd really like a stylus, say if I'm reading an ebook. But I've tried several different brands of stylii and I'm not really impressed. All of them seemed to work worse than my finger. Often a cheap stylus' touch will cause the screen to zoom instead of scroll. I fear pressing too hard, as my wife scratched her Tab trying to avoid the trend to zoom. If I try another stylus, I'll spend the extra for a quality pen that I can demo before I buy.
Or if you can't stand any of the commercially available ones, you can always make your own!
http://lifehacker.com/5550029/diy-touch+screen-stylus-new-and-improved
I found one by accident at Big Lots one day. They had a 2 pack of Duracell screen protectors for IPads with a free stylus for $8. I wasn't expecting much from the stylus, but it's worked really well, and the pen works great on it too. It has the soft rubber tip but I haven't had any issues with it. The diameter is about the same or smaller than a pencil and it obscures a lot less than my finger. There are no markings on it, inside or out.
http://www.biglots.com/browseItem/as-advertised/8735
I might give one a go
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