Basically a touch cruise type of screen vs a screen with plastic/metal borders.
Whats your experience, im torn between phones and want to know whats more useful.
my opinion is that the flush screen is a finger print magnet. on a Phone like the Cruise it will make it look dirty because of all the prints.
With the new touch interfaces how much does the flush screen contribute to usabilit?.
Those that switched from a bordered screen to a flush one pls let me know what relief you felt and what new annoyances have you encountered.
thx
The good part is that it's a lot easier to touch near the corners or edges with your fingers. For example, the "X" close button. When swiping your finger, you also don't run into a border.
The bad part it that the screen is less protected, but if you take good care of it, it shouldn't be a problem.
I am for the Flush screen because it makes using my favourite SIP Cootek's TouchPal so much easier.
I like flush better, things like scrollbars are so much easier to use.
On my touch, it seems like the touchscreen is about 3 milimeters more outside than the screen...
only my perception
Ive had an athena and a tytn, so in a direct comparison to the tytn, touch has a way better screen
I went from a Mogul to a Touch and I much prefer the flush screen. I don't like to get the stylus out in day to day use, so being able to access all corners of the screen with my thumb is a necessity.
seems like you all have agreed that flush screen is vastly more comfortable.
What is your experience with finger print marks on the surface and effectiveness of various screen protectors... do they slide around with out borders keeping them in place??
flush FTW.
going from a bezeled 6700 to flush touch, is marvelous and makes touchscreening alot easier.
+1 for flush, in additon to the huge functional benefits it also
1. helps avoid dirt buildup in the corners,
2. makes the screen look bigger as it is no longer overshadowed by the phone's border,
3. and looks a lot more aesthetically pleasing.
What is your experience with finger print marks on the surface and effectiveness of various screen protectors... do they slide around with out borders keeping them in place??
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I can't answer the screeen protector question as I think they look tacky, but from reading the boards, ppl say they have no problem sticking. As far as fingerprints, yea my touch cruise does get fingerprints, but I wipe them off regularly, and I use the incuded oem suede/microfiber form fitting pouch which tends to clean off the finger prints as you insert the device.
Flush is much better in my opinion. The flush screens on the Touch and Touch Cruise is a harder plastic unlike the normal touchscreen and I like that.
Also, it is easier to type on a flush screen.
I am using the O2 Atom Life. The bezel is at an angle so while the screen is sunk in, it is much easier to get in the corner compared to a regular sunk in screen.
Lol any arguments for sunk-in screens
haha guess no one wants to defent sun in screens
anyone??
On the TyTN I, those borders saved the screen countless times. I do not always have the pouch handy so a common decision is to put the thing down on a flat surface, screen facing downwards: that way nothing will fall on it, and spills will be less destructive. A typical iPhone-ish design won't last two weeks with me without scratches or worse, and would drive me paranoid even more. I value the peace of mind a lot, and I need a touchscreen. Sadly, good ole' designs with sunken screens, resistive touchscreens and lots of hardware buttons (yet another story) are becoming extinct.
Inconveniences are small. With some acrobatics, the Close button can still be quickly reached with a fingernail, even if they are short. Just try to use the plane of a fingernail, not its edge.
However a protective border that is high enough and some five millimeters away from screen corners could radically change experience for most users. Which manufacturer will have balls to dare such a thing, during the times when everyone is chasing iPhone? Let's hope that my TyTN will be still alive then. Since I've bought it a few years ago, I haven't seen any decent upgrade; even its cousin, Kaiser, has changed in the wrong direction -- would mean more problems than comfort. Apparently the choice will be harsh.
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Just wanted to let everyone know NOT to buy these screen protectors... I bought one for my XDA II about two weeks ago and it's real crap.
The visual quality is awesome, sylus is smooth; HOWEVER, the touch screen becomes really hard. You need to tap the screen hard before anything will happen. Also, if you get one spec of dust under the screen, that section of the protector will not stick to the screen and you'll get a big bubble.
Save your $15US
It is probably the placement of the protector thats causing the problem, I suggest you see how close to the edges it is sitting, even a tiny part of the protector tucked under the edge can stop the screen working completely, I have heard nothing but good about this brand.
It's on there perfectly...
I had a G2 lying around for the Siemens SX56 and thought I would give that a try and see if it's any better. I installed it and it was a little too small (tuck wise), so it would move around slightly if you are playing games. I just put a drop of Super Glue in two corners (clean job) and it's perfect.
Awesome considering I only paid $14US for 2!
I have had no problems with the martin fields screen protector. I've tried to order a G2 screen protector a long time ago - waited two weeks and order never came, so I went with the martin fields. To get a real clean job, its good to have a piece of tape lying around - or use one of those Post it flags to remove the dust on the screen or the screen protector.
And putting superglue on your XDA II is insane. I highly recommend not to if you lack great hand dexterity. *imagines self* :roll:
I think it totally depends which you get... G2 doesn't "really" support the XDA II.
haha, yes yes... I used a small needle and everything. YOU DON'T WANT TOO MUCH GLUE, JUST A DROP TO HOLD IT DOWN. remember, you want to remove it later!
Superglue on your touchscreen??? :shock:
I bought MF and I don't have too much problem - other than my clumsy hands.
The tapping hard is not experienced as said here, but compared to without the screen protector (any one, not necessary MF), you need to tap harder & write harder. :roll:
As for taking the protector out and the dust, I learned the hard way -- use scotchtape to stick up the protector, use the scotchtape to stick off the dust, & don't use water or thinner to clean the sticky side -- use the scotchtape and gently peck on the sticky side. :wink:
cheers
I had the WRITEShield before the MFO's, and although they were great, the MFO's are heaps better. I have to say, I find the required touch to be much lighter than the WS's.
Many of the forum users over at MTekk love them too, infact this is the first complaint.
Hope you get your problems sorted...
Dave
I've no problems so far with MF.
No hard touch screen problem...infact its same as before putting on the protector.
The MF is cool....only minor comment is it will get scratch after a while of intense gaming or writing. Comparable with G2s.
The PDA shop recommend me to change it after 6~8 months....depending on the scratch surface.
So far I've not encountered a clear type Screen protector that doesn't scratch.
The ones from Brando Brand are Matt finished but will last forever without a scratch on it.
I let the shop assistant (actually, he is the boss!) fixed the thing for me and it looked like a tedious task to get a perfect job. The screen need to be cleaned, apply it slowly from the top side and if there is a dust spot, remove with cellotape. I couldn't have done a better job than him!
hmm, that's really weird. I have to tap it at least twice as hard on the edges and three times in the center.
At first I thought my LCD was dead, but I removed the protector and the touch does work awesome.
No problems here either. I've been using MF on all my phones, SE P800/900 and now my Qtek 2020. Also tried Brando's protector but it's not too bright, so prefere the MF.
Don't get me wrong, I love the visual quality, but can't stand the touch of it.
Dear Group, i've got a new Wizard and very nice it is too. I bought a screen protector and spent the next 5 hours trying to get the thing on perfectly!, but no matter how i try i still get a few bubbles.
Now, i've had my mobile phone for about 18 months, and the 1st thing i did when i got it was to get my Lady Wife to make me a nice soft velvet pouch to put it in. I can honestly say thet the phone is like new, not a mark on it!
So, given that accidental damage is almost ruled out, is there any compelling reason why i should need a screen protector?
Many Thanks
That little piece of plastic called 'screen protector' isn't really for drops and hits. It's for scratches from daily use, fingerprints etc.
If you do any stylus intensive tasks like games that don't use hardware buttons, sketching or handwriting recognition then I'd say it is a must as it is much much cheaper to replace then a screen.
If not, you may do without it, especially since the wizard has a qwerty keyboard meaning less touch screen use.
Personally I had it on my iPaq 1710 for year and at the end it looked scuffed and scratched, but when I pulled it off the screen was without a trace just like when I first removed it from the box.
As for bubbles, if you apply it carefully and go over with the little piece of cardboard they provide you shouldn't have any. Some little ones dissipate with time.
Any way it is mostly matter of taste. I use it on both my devices and from day one and like the results (good ones also reduce glare when outside in day light).
Of course they are necesary.
See you
Despite being careful, my screen is increasingly getting scratched. The scratches are only noticeable when the device is off (thank goodness).
If there are any other persons with the same problem, please post here.
I guess that you did not use a screen protector, right?
Correct. I also own a TyTn II and have no issues with the screen whatsoever. Of all the devices I have owned over the years, only this TC has been an issue.
I was noticing the same so applied the included screen protector... I usually don't bother as I don't like them and the device is a throwaway after a year anyway so it's not a big deal. But in this case I figured if it was like that after a few weeks then after 6 months I'd probably not be able to see the screen!
I've had a few Palm devices before i switched to WM and i noticed this scratching as well......Luckily i'm using the included protector.
I have to say on my previous Palms i didn't have this problem, also while using a protector, which makes me suspect that the stylus is the real problem here.
Any thoughts on this?
I use the screen protector, and also got some spares. I also cover the whoel device with a liquid "screen" protector to helpthe faces from getting ruined. So far so good
Problem with the Touch Cruise (Polaris...) is, that the screen is - unlike the Kaiser's - flat and not indent. This means, its exposed to EVERYTHING it touches. Thus chances are higher you'll get one or two scratches once in a while.
Second thing which I can only cite other ppl on other forums: those Polaris allegedly have a softer top layer to be able to operate the unit using only your finger. This would support catching scratches as well...
I'd use the protector. It's a shame having scratches on that mirrored surface.
Schaggo, can you indicate what other forums people are commenting about the screen?
I am interested in your view that the top layer is softer than most others.
i agree that the stylus is the problem ... to much thin... , i tried one from nintendo ds , it's much more rounded and it slide better ( sorry for my english...)
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Yeah, I'm using one from my old IPAQ !
ou guys use other styluses? I use my finger, thats what the Touch series should be made for I know it doesnt really work, the fonts are way too small...
Hicksville, I cannot judge what the other ppl say because I used the protector right away. Nothing ever touched my screen without the protector applied. But as I got it, the top film seems to be made of a softer material than the one of other WM devices. Reason for that is the reason for the "Touch" in the devices name: to make the touch layer register the actual point, where the finger tries to point at. If the top layer would be harder/stiffer it allegedly cant tell where exactly the finger tried to hit the screen because the area involved ('touched' eg. pressed down) would be bigger than with a soft top layer. Thats what I got and which makes some sense.
And logically a soft surface is more prone to be 'hurt' than a surface made of hard material. So I guess this might be connected. But I have to repeat, these are all assumptions by users and in no way official statements.
I've been using my phone w/o a screen protector, and I haven't gotten any scratches. Like schaggo I mainly use my finger. I did however test the screen by applying a lot of pressure with the stylus in a sweeping motion, and I didn't get any scratches (don't ask me what possessed me to try this). I later tried a much more conclusive scratch test on a CDMA Touch unit in a store on both the screen and the body and got no scratches! Yes, I applied a lot of pressure, (However, someone else had managed to put a scratch on the CDMA Touch's screen, but that scratch was really deep and probably done with a really sharp object; on the other hand, I did my testing with my TC stylus). I coudln't scratch both the body or the screen using a lot of pressure from my stylus and my nails. Maybe some of you exposed the TC to coins or keys inadvertantly?
That's pretty gutsy to test it on your own device. I am using the screen protector and I have a few scratches on that which is fine. When the time comes, I'll replace it with a new protector. As far as the rest of the case, I have been very careful so far with my device and haven't gotten any scratches anywhere on it. I think that suede/rubber whatever feel of the device is nice but I think it will scratch.
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That's pretty gutsy to test it on your own device. I am using the screen protector and I have a few scratches on that which is fine. When the time comes, I'll replace it with a new protector. As far as the rest of the case, I have been very careful so far with my device and haven't gotten any scratches anywhere on it. I think that suede/rubber whatever feel of the device is nice but I think it will scratch.
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Yes, very gutsy, I pushed hard enough to watch the screen sink it and rise back up very slowly...I don't know what I was thinking, but hey it turned out well w/o any scratches. The plastic on the screen is a lot stronger than your typical screen protector, so that fact along with my tests pretty much confirmed it for me. Furthermore, I don't like the look of screen protectors and I'm worried that they'll hinder touch flow.
As far as the casing, it seems bulletproof. But I'm like you, I keep it in the oem suede/microfiber case whenever its not being held to my ear for a phone call, and I've never put it in a pocket with anything else.
Actually with the suede comment I was talking about the body of the actual device. I'm not sure what that is but it has a nice texture to it. I haven't used that pouch that came in the package. Not a big fan of it. Head on over to the acc forum to see which cases people like. As far as the screen protector goes the original one does not hinder touch capabilities. Also in the acc forum they discuss different screen protectors, you might wanna check out one of those as well.
I have an old Wallaby that has a scratched screen at the right margin; a protector was never used and apparently, someone used the scrollbar a LOT, violently so.
If it was just a little scuff, I'd just apply a protector to keep it from getting scratched any more (the screen is still reasonably responsive), but this time, there's a single "bump" in the middle of the scratch that would still make the sensitivity be off.
There's quite a few products out there promising to rejuvenate scratched screens, and I was wondering if anyone has any tips or user experiences to share;
Does Displex or any other such product live up to its claims? Is it worth it to try to rub-a-dub-dub with an abrasive agent, or does it merely lead to more damage in the end?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Erm, I wouldn't recommend it
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I've never used Displex on my mobile...cos I don't dare. Reason? I used it on my ipod...was so eager, I even used it on the clickwheel. Clickwheel became so cool and shiny...but lost sensitivity. (stop laughing)
So basically, if its a device which uses a touch interface, don't use Displex or any such cleaner (which although they claim are not abrasive basically are, cos they literally work down the plastic like a really weak acid). Of course, if your touch interface isn't imbeded on the actual screen itself but underneath it (hold to light, check for tiny dots...u see dots, its imbedded).
HTH
SS
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I have an old Wallaby that has a scratched screen at the right margin; a protector was never used and apparently, someone used the scrollbar a LOT, violently so.
If it was just a little scuff, I'd just apply a protector to keep it from getting scratched any more (the screen is still reasonably responsive), but this time, there's a single "bump" in the middle of the scratch that would still make the sensitivity be off.
There's quite a few products out there promising to rejuvenate scratched screens, and I was wondering if anyone has any tips or user experiences to share;
Does Displex or any other such product live up to its claims? Is it worth it to try to rub-a-dub-dub with an abrasive agent, or does it merely lead to more damage in the end?
Enquiring minds want to know!
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don't worry the screen is not messed up you just scratched the digitizer thats a thinfilm that sits ontop of the screen that makes it into a touch screen. they are not that much money 20-25 dollars pick up a new one
Okay guys first of all i know all the benefits to a screen protector, but on my old iPhone that didnt have a screen protector and the screen was fine, no scratches etc etc.... I was wondering do we really, really need a protector on the diamond? As im sure that without it it would be much smoother to use?
I applied my screen protector as soon as I unboxed my phone however was wondering of the opinions of people that a) didnt and b) took their protectors off and used the device.
Does the screen 'feel' any different without it?
Please post in the right section (Diamond accessories).
Screen protectors are advised, 'cause you reduce the risk of damage to the screen itself (which will be expensive to replace). It will dull the sensitivity slightly (although less than on the iPhone screens as they use different technology.)
HI
the diamond really need a screen protector
the glass is very fragile!
personnaly i ve made a little scratch
when i remove my old screen protector
with a knife!!!
the iphone as a really good screen
very hard to scratch....
anyone know whats the difference in screen tech between the iPhone and the Diamond?
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anyone know whats the difference in screen tech between the iPhone and the Diamond?
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Diamond has resistive touch screen, iPhone has capacitive.
That means the iPhone can have a solid (glass) front to the screen.
xboxmod said:
HI
the diamond really need a screen protector
the glass is very fragile!
personnaly i ve made a little scratch
when i remove my old screen protector
with a knife!!!
the iphone as a really good screen
very hard to scratch....
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Use the sticky side of a piece of tape to remove the old screenprotector.
That's the way the pro's are doing it. Use the same sticky tape to pick up small residue on screen before applying the new one.
I have PDA's more 10 years not the first but i still keep my old casio e-105 and since that a lot of them ...
For me it was all a big worry the screen scratches and so every pda had screen protector kit and i tried allot of them different brands different textures, glued , fitted etc...
Right now i look back on my desk and see a bunch of PDA all of them with beautiful screens none with scratches.. BUT.... BUT... I'm more happy to have 9 year old pda without scratches ??? don't think so....
I don't think i will be worst if one them had a screen scratch vs the issues a screen protector have, less sensitive worst view of screen etc...
In diamond is even worst because the screen don't have borders to fit the protection, so will add one more layer on top.......
Even if i have mixed feelings about it i will keep my diamond without screen protector...
maybe next year when i buy the new "whatsoever model" and put this on the shelf i will say damn scratch on the screen but so what.... its on shelf and the time i had keep it, i use that screen at full no lame plastics on top...
just a thought....
But the iPhones isn´t usable with a stylus only with fingers due to the influence in the static field of the capacitive touchscreen.
Well actually the Diamond got TWO touchscreens, it also have a capacitive touchscreen under the normal screen and under the touchpad (buttons) beside the resistive touchscreen on the surface of the screen. (sushilange fond that).
it is a must
you are mad if you don't
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I have PDA's more 10 years not the first but i still keep my old casio e-105 and since that a lot of them ...
For me it was all a big worry the screen scratches and so every pda had screen protector kit and i tried allot of them different brands different textures, glued , fitted etc...
Right now i look back on my desk and see a bunch of PDA all of them with beautiful screens none with scratches.. BUT.... BUT... I'm more happy to have 9 year old pda without scratches ??? don't think so....
I don't think i will be worst if one them had a screen scratch vs the issues a screen protector have, less sensitive worst view of screen etc...
In diamond is even worst because the screen don't have borders to fit the protection, so will add one more layer on top.......
Even if i have mixed feelings about it i will keep my diamond without screen protector...
maybe next year when i buy the new "whatsoever model" and put this on the shelf i will say damn scratch on the screen but so what.... its on shelf and the time i had keep it, i use that screen at full no lame plastics on top...
just a thought....
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But still love the Love and passion you speak of.
Something that looks this nice Should look as nice ass possible.
Maybe some company is smart enough to make a full body screen protector. (maybe it allready exist heavn't looked)
I have double feelings about this.
My Touch Screen wothout protections is starting to lose the top layer on the right side of screen (i never really got the hang of using that unnatural touch scrolling and kept using the scrollbar)
Try to teach an old dog new tricks
It's expensive, but this seems to be a good full-protection:
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield...es-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
We will see this shamefull Spam through the fingers this time
The video sells let's be honoust.
But a video of how to strap on these Protective Phone Kevlar Condom Vests would be usefull.
If anyone get's he's her hands one one of these i'd be interested on how it looks and let's itself be applied. It is pricey but for the Price i'll be paying for the Pro it might be a very good investment.
im going to give that invisible shield a try. sounds cool and i like my devices like from box :>