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ELFin or Polaris

Hey,
Im gonna buy a new PDA.
And im in doubt between the ELFin and Polaris.
The Polaris has a GPS onboard, and 256 mem... Other specs looks the same. But is it better as a ELFin?
Are there any negative things about one of them?
Thanks,
HP197
P.s. A read that the Polaris has a 400Mhz proc onboard. But is it a real 400Mhz proc? Or a shared Proc like the Artemis? That one had a 400Mhz proc, but WM had only 200Mhz for usage, the other 200Mhz was used for GPS signals etc etc...

elfin? http://www.cvcoffee.com/prod_images_blowup/Elfin-Blow-Up1.jpg
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do you mean elf?
if so then they are way different elf is one of the weakest pda's htc have
and polaris is pretty ok
here you can compare
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Polaris
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Elf

Rudegar said:
elfin? http://www.cvcoffee.com/prod_images_blowup/Elfin-Blow-Up1.jpg
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do you mean elf?
if so then they are way different elf is one of the weakest pda's htc have
and polaris is pretty ok
here you can compare
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Polaris
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Elf
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No, i mean the ELFin...
Its the updated version of a ELF, with 400mhz proc, and 128mb mem.
P.s. If i looks to the wiki, i think the official name is Vogue. But some of this forum members call it ELFin
Vogue: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=803&view=1
Polaris: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=801&view=1

ahhh got it
welll Vogue dont have gps as you mention and nor does it have umts or hsdpa
== as slow internet
and it's cam dont have autofocus (not sure how much this mean as i've yet to se a photo taken with any phone which was worth printing to papir or setting as wallpapir on a pc)
also as you mention 400Mhz is not really an universaly good way of measuring speed of the device
only a benchmark will show a good picture of how much difference there is between a
Qualcomm 400Mhz of polaris and
OMAP 400MHz of vogue

Rudegar said:
ahhh got it
welll Vogue dont have gps as you mention and nor does it have umts or hsdpa
== as slow internet
and it's cam dont have autofocus (not sure how much this mean as i've yet to se a photo taken with any phone which was worth printing to papir or setting as wallpapir on a pc)
also as you mention 400Mhz is not really an universaly good way of measuring speed of the device
only a benchmark will show a good picture of how much difference there is between a
Qualcomm 400Mhz of polaris and
OMAP 400MHz of vogue
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Euhhmmm, touch dual (Vogue) does have HSPDA... Only the elf doesnt, but that is the older model. The Vogue is the follow up of the ELF.
But anyway..
Thanks for the info.
Still not sure wich one im gonna take
Edit The Vogue is also missing WIFI. So, it misses 128mb, GPS and WIFI.
Thats a big miss, my vote goes to the Polaris...

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Vogue
of cause the wiki of this site is hardly failable but it say that it's
edge and gsm only
also before i checked that wiki i believed the vogue to be only cdma (the american cellphone network which is not gsm)
maybe the vogue forum could bring light to what network it really use
but if it lack wifi which is also strange since elf's wiki say it have that

Rudegar said:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Vogue
of cause the wiki of this site is hardly failable but it say that it's
edge and gsm only
also before i checked that wiki i believed the vogue to be only cdma (the american cellphone network which is not gsm)
maybe the vogue forum could bring light to what network it really use
but if it lack wifi which is also strange since elf's wiki say it have that
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About the hsdpa on the vogue: Vogue page on a other site, translated to english with google translate (orig: dutch)
About the touch dual with / without wifi: Same site, also translated with google
Look at the end of the page, where all the specs are.
This is one of the more respected online shops for PDA's in the Netherlands. So i suppose there information is right. And i dont think they disabled wifi for our country only. Because the usage of wifi is totaly legal here (some countries does not allow it).

Howwww...
Now i see... Im talking about the vogue...
But the vogue isnt the same as the HTC touch dual (Vogue = P3050, Touch Dual = P5500)
That would explain some mis understandings...
So im comparing between the P3650 (aka Polaris) and the P5500 (Touch Dual... Build name?¿?).
Wich in my eye, the P3650 is the better one.
EDIT:
P5500 Aka Touch Dual == HTC Niki
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=736

Its clear for me...
I Go for the Polaris...
Just because its the one with the most features.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=801&id2=736

Overclocking HTC Touch

don't know if this has been asked, but....
I know there is a overclocking util (BatteryStatus) for the older 200Mhz Touch.
But I got the CDMA HTC Touch (MP6900 ??) with the 400Mhz speed cpu, and the "BateryStatus" util does not work on it... actually it craped out the phone many times tonight... had to do many hard resets!! Crap !!
So.... is there a overclocking util for this version (runing windows mobile pro 6) any one know ???
thanks
Dweeb

Can't be done. A search would have told you that.

Dweeboid said:
don't know if this has been asked, but....
I know there is a overclocking util (BatteryStatus) for the older 200Mhz Touch.
But I got the CDMA HTC Touch (MP6900 ??) with the 400Mhz speed cpu, and the "BateryStatus" util does not work on it... actually it craped out the phone many times tonight... had to do many hard resets!! Crap !!
So.... is there a overclocking util for this version (runing windows mobile pro 6) any one know ???
thanks
Dweeb
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Why would you want to overclock it anyway? The battery usage would be increased and you would probably shorten the lifespan of the device....these things aint cheap you know
400 MHz in a pocket device like these is easily fast enough!

dont know if i agree with that... windows mobile isn't the best operating system because it's sloppy. so we need faster pocketpc's in all honesty.
even 400mhz isn't fast enough.
i'm also curious if its possible to squeeze just a little extra out of it (safely).
i love how my Touch works and how it's setup with windows mobile 6 and now this Manila 2D interface... but it's just always been slow. Even straight out of the box. I recently lost my phone and got a new one... Opened up the brand new one and it's just as slow as my other one.
i made registry tweaks too to increase ram usage and all those good things yo u can do there. no good in my opinion too slow for 2008... 2009 now.
great hardware. poor software. want to compensate for that by making the good hardware even better...

tom_m said:
dont know if i agree with that... windows mobile isn't the best operating system because it's sloppy. so we need faster pocketpc's in all honesty.
even 400mhz isn't fast enough.
i'm also curious if its possible to squeeze just a little extra out of it (safely).
i love how my Touch works and how it's setup with windows mobile 6 and now this Manila 2D interface... but it's just always been slow. Even straight out of the box. I recently lost my phone and got a new one... Opened up the brand new one and it's just as slow as my other one.
i made registry tweaks too to increase ram usage and all those good things yo u can do there. no good in my opinion too slow for 2008... 2009 now.
great hardware. poor software. want to compensate for that by making the good hardware even better...
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Hi dude, read your post and i wonder if you search the XDA for new 6.5roms esp "optimised" ? I heard XDA has most of the roms for "all" wm phone also uni roms. use the search engine found at the top under " search ". I have downloaded a "Touch" but forgot where they are located cos im a downloader, not a note writer

deranche said:
Hi dude, read your post and i wonder if you search the XDA for new 6.5roms esp "optimised" ? I heard XDA has most of the roms for "all" wm phone also uni roms. use the search engine found at the top under " search ". I have downloaded a "Touch" but forgot where they are located cos im a downloader, not a note writer
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So, what version of the Touch do you have?

spec wise, which is better? tytn, tytn or wing?

Hey guys,
My friend wants to get a PPC and he wants to know which phone is better spec wise.
like which one runs faster.
tytn, tytn 2 or wing?
if you know can you put them in order from < (least to greatest)?
Thanks

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Atlas

Thanks
so i assume the wing is better then them? since it's the last one.
also, where can i find the Atlas? my friend doesn't like the blue on the wing.
Thanks

Ray_jai said:
Thanks
so i assume the wing is better then them? since it's the last one.
also, where can i find the Atlas? my friend doesn't like the blue on the wing.
Thanks
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The atlas is the wing. The "non blue" version of the wing is the herald.

OOO, i see.
Thanks
how come the Wing's CPU speed is lower then the rest?
why do I have the feeling he put the list from > (greatest to least) and not <
Thanks

Ray_jai said:
OOO, i see.
Thanks
how come the Wing's CPU speed is lower then the rest?
why do I have the feeling he put the list from > (greatest to least) and not <
Thanks
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The wing has an omap 850 which is god awful slow, its also got only 64mb's of ram. tytn2>tytn>atlas

T-Mobile Says the Processor is just fine.
Ray_jai said:
OOO, i see.
Thanks
how come the Wing's CPU speed is lower then the rest?
why do I have the feeling he put the list from > (greatest to least) and not <
Thanks
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The explanation that the T-Mobile officials gives for the Wing's 200mhz processor is that, the Wing dosen't need a 400mHz processor. The Tytn and Tytn 2 both have 3G support hence that requires a faster processor, but T-Mobile dosen't support 3G in first place so the processor power for that is uneccesary.

kweng_ca said:
The wing has an omap 850 which is god awful slow, its also got only 64mb's of ram. tytn2>tytn>atlas
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i really don't find it that slow, it works just fine for me. You might have too many things running at the same time or too many Start up items.

i did put the best first and
a faster cpu is always better
for video games and general performance
though kaiser is missing a driver so
it got some performance issues

Ray_jai said:
Hey guys,
My friend wants to get a PPC and he wants to know which phone is better spec wise.
like which one runs faster.
tytn, tytn 2 or wing?
if you know can you put them in order from < (least to greatest)?
Thanks
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There is no "best" one. If you want power then Tytn 2 is the best one. If you want looks and a slim phone then the Wing is. The Tilt(Tytn 2 in America) is also heaver than the wing. So you have a choice of look and feel v/s power. Also if you are planning to use T-Mobile, then some of the Tytn 2's features are useless, same with the first Tytn.

the wing prob also last longer on a charge
but specwise is prob a pure hardware feature and power question more of an usability or requirement question

Rudegar said:
the wing prob also last longer on a charge
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possibly, since a less powerfull processor requires less battery to run.

WoohOOO! G-PE Linux Works on tornado :D

GSM doesnt working
Info:
http://fl0rian.wordpress.com/2007/04/24/gpe²-on-a-htc-tornado/
Download the necessary files (zimage etc etc)
http://linuxtogo.org/~florian/index.php?path=gpepe/tornado/
can any one help in installation through a windows based computer

dark_prince,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333116&highlight=Linux

does this mean we can eventually get android on the tornado?

No. Android require 128 mb of ram

I don't think so.
Yesterday I ran Android on my development board with 64mb ram.
But I think the tornado is too slow for this. My board had 400mhz it made no fun to use.

This news are years old, and have been posted 1000 times before, next time use the search feature of the forum.

thesparky007 said:
does this mean we can eventually get android on the tornado?
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It does run.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560629&page=3
Tornado is fast enough, really. Menu changes very quick. The problem is key/joystick mappings.

256MB RAM for Uni - Is it Possible?

Hi!
I have upgraded my Uni with 128MB RAM. I understand that there is extra provision for additional RAM on UNI. Can anybody confirm that the two 64MB RAM chips from Blue Angel can be used on the free space available on Uni and can it be upgraded to 256MB RAM.
Feed back and guidance needed in this respect.
Regards,
Haque

People seem to be saying it's not possible. That 128MB is the maximum. However I remember being around in the forum when people were saying you couldn't upgrade to 128MB and others found a way to do this.
I think this would need a reply from someone who knows the hardware better. (Me, I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).

-Jonny- said:
...I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).
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Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards

tomal said:
Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards
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Damn, I saw that Tomal replied and hoped that I will come to this thread and he'll say something along the lines of 'Yes, we successfully installed 2 128Mb RAM chips and I am testing them now with a new ROM, will let you all know how it went and offer an upgrade to people who want to get one'
Even my Elf can pinpoint my location on Google Maps, my Uni can't. Outrageous

Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public

A light!!
Well,
If that is actually true there is hope that can be done!!
Hope someone can publish this soon!
I´ll ask mo3ulla
Thanks for the tip,

Interesting reading this thread - especially this post
I don't know if the guys are still around - it was only 18 months ago.

Well i would think someone will get the way around to get it done .....

Win_XP said:
Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public
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May be you are right.
But if something is not published publicly then it may not be fully true....just my thought.

Mamaich did the original work on patching the Kernel to allow access to the 128mb ram, if bigger chips are available for the two slots then there is no reason why the memory can't be further upgraded, it would however require another kernel update to allow access to the extra memory.
The same goes for the GPS slot, if someone was willing to install the GPS chip and patch the radio stack, there's no reason why the Uni couldn't have a GPS chip.
The only problem you have is that the Uni has been around for far too long now and all the Guru's have moved on to other devices.
Try convincing someone to spend months patching an old device to have the features already available in newer devices............ you would be better inserting a new mainboard into the Uni chasis........
Cheers,
Beasty

Thanks for your clarification Beasty!
Well, I would love to convince a master to do this hard task, just want to know who can be a candidate.
And on the other hand we should rise a nice donation so we can encourage him!
I offer myself to rise the money to convince him/her
So any recomendation is welcome!
Later I´ll set up a new thread for the donation in case this makes any positive progress.
Cheers,

I'd certainly donate towards anyone getting GPS inside my Uni if it helped. However, I think as Beasty says, I don't think it's going to be money, but someones time.

Time is not a problem as long as somebody really want to go deep in it
I can wait the longest as it takes and I´ll be just a happy pacient Uni user!
$ can incentivate
Let´s how all this move forwards...

You will be hard pushed to find a candidate willing to take on this task for you.
There are not many developers here who are capable of both the hardware and software modifications required.
Don't get me wrong, there are some very good devs in these forums, but this sort of mod requires a lot of low level hardware and software knowledge.
Your best chance if you really are serious about trying to find someone to do this is head over to Darkforces and make a post there.
Really you would need Mamaich, Ivan or Helmi (to mention a few.....if you can track them down) as they are all more than capable of what you want.
To be honest though, you probably have more chance of getting HTC to do it for you..............
It would still be easier to port a new mainboard into the Uni housing (more than enough room in there for most of the current devices on the market to fit............... perhaps you should also consider this as it is a more practical move than trying to upgrade a dying device.
I love my Uni as much as the rest of you guys here, but there comes a point when you just have to move on.
Over the years we have patched the hell out of the kernel and drivers for the Uni and to be honest the code is quite a mess now, far from optimised.
Good luck and keep this thread updated with any news you have on progressing this issue as I would be very interested if you found someone willing to take on this challenge.
I know first hand how messy all the drivers and patched oem files and XIP are in the Uni and it will be a monumentous task.
Cheers,
Beasty

Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...

ultravox said:
Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...
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I agree the current Qualcomm chipsets are not up to par, mainly down to driver issues rather than the hardware. Don't forget our Uni's run off an Intel XScale and not a Qualcomm.
1st quarter of next year should see some decent releases of the new hardware Tegra and Snapdragon with 12mp cams, 1 ghz cpus and video recording at 720p, perhaps then the Uni will finally have a decent replacement.
I must say though that my Rhodium is no slug, the keyboard is nice and big more than enough ram (GPS is functional, though not great it does the job satisfactorily) I can't really say I miss the Uni that much after switching over to the Rhodium................ each to their own.
Hold out till next year and be tempted with the new hardware.
Cheers,
Beasty

Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....

kerda said:
Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....
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Both the Qualcomm and XScale can support USB host, they just require the correct drivers, the functions are available just need to be accessed via a driver. The problem the Uni has is that it has no built in GPS Chip, there is a placeholder on the mobo for a GPS chip, it was just never added. There were rumours that some of the very early Uni's (G3) had a chip but not activated.......... Personally I have never seen proof of this.
You can still use external GPS on Uni (as many do) via BT or USB/Serial connection. You do not need USB Host service for this function.
Cheers,
Beasty

Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474

hunter79 said:
Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
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Because we like our Unis....?