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It is obvious when the phone is in hard-reset stage and you watch the DEMO video about the TF3D, the performance is quite facinating!
As you have your device passed that stage and it is ready now, the TF3D is bit sluggish and not as it demonstrates on the video! Quite interesting huh?
@least the Programs tab is not what the demo shows not even the scrolling speed!!
Is there a way to overcome this it is quite normal and the DEMO video is just a tuned sequence?
Search for "Raphael Tweaks" in the search function, there are a bunch of ways to speed it up.
I have seen most of them and used couple. My question is do I have to tweak in order to achieve a top notch performance on a brand new device with just two applications installed?! I mean did that demo device have a tweaked settings or registry tweaks loaded?
Cyber-mate said:
I have seen most of them and used couple. My question is do I have to tweak in order to achieve a top notch performance on a brand new device with just two applications installed?! I mean did that demo device have a tweaked settings or registry tweaks loaded?
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That device had 3,924 gigs of ram and a 293847ghz processor with 234837mb of memory for graphics acceleration. The demo makes the device appear how they want it to appear, not necessarily how the device will perform. Not fair, I know, but that's marketing for ya.
Cyber-mate said:
I have seen most of them and used couple. My question is do I have to tweak in order to achieve a top notch performance on a brand new device with just two applications installed?! I mean did that demo device have a tweaked settings or registry tweaks loaded?
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What Rom are you Running?
My Pro Runned Quite all right even with out Tweaking.
And it ran better with FireRom.
If you look properly at the DEMO, when he slide the thumb to switch screen, you can see the transition animation but on the real device, it just change. I'm going to complain about this.
Noonski said:
What Rom are you Running?
My Pro Runned Quite all right even with out Tweaking.
And it ran better with FireRom.
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My Raphael ROM is: -
ROM 1.901.456.3 WWE
ROM Date: 08/20/08
Radio: 1.02.25.19
Protocol: 52.33.25.17U
Don't ever believe any advertisement you see on the internet for a product...hell, I don't think I've ever had a Big Mac the way it is on the internet (or even tv). The devices up for sale are the squished Big Macs...sauce on half the burger, cheese that is half way under the bun, and one pickle.
But just like the Big Mac...I can't live without it. It is the first thing I think of every morning. Damn...now I'm hungry. Need to get out of here. I have 30 minutes before the breakfast menu starts.
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Don't ever believe any advertisement you see on the internet for a product...hell, I don't think I've ever had a Big Mac the way it is on the internet (or even tv). The devices up for sale are the squished Big Macs...sauce on half the burger, cheese that is half way under the bun, and one pickle.
But just like the Big Mac...I can't live without it. It is the first thing I think of every morning. Damn...now I'm hungry. Need to get out of here. I have 30 minutes before the breakfast menu starts.
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Damnit, now I'm hungry too!
programatix said:
If you look properly at the DEMO, when he slide the thumb to switch screen, you can see the transition animation but on the real device, it just change. I'm going to complain about this.
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Well Newer versions oF TF3D have less animations to speed it up.
Cyber-mate said:
My Raphael ROM is: -
ROM 1.901.456.3 WWE
ROM Date: 08/20/08
Radio: 1.02.25.19
Protocol: 52.33.25.17U
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Maybe it would be a good Start Flashing A modified Rom then as that's What is Mostly What people come to XDA for
But Rapheal Roms aren't that Many at the Moment
Noonski said:
Well Newer versions oF TF3D have less animations to speed it up.
Maybe it would be a good Start Flashing A modified Rom then as that's What is Mostly What people come to XDA for
But Rapheal Roms aren't that Many at the Moment
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TouchFLO 3D version is: -
1.2.34834.2_1813.6
Is this what most have? BTW, you could notice the transition while thumbe-scrolling left or right. This might be slowing down the TFLO! Is there a way to stop this transition just like the old WM5 Start-menu transition?
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TouchFLO 3D version is: -
1.2.34834.2_1813.6
Is this what most have? BTW, you could notice the transition while thumbe-scrolling left or right. This might be slowing down the TFLO! Is there a way to stop this transition just like the old WM5 Start-menu transition?
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Yup that is abit newer version.
I have not seen a trick to kill transitions completely. But this one should be a bit faster.
Just curious, because I like the close-to-generic Today screen setup I use on my Mogul, and perhaps the speed is optimized without TouchFlo. I wouldn't want to lose speed or practicality for an ICI
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Just curious, because I like the close-to-generic Today screen setup I use on my Mogul, and perhaps the speed is optimized without TouchFlo. I wouldn't want to lose speed or practicality for an ICI
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Yes, I was so accustomed to using Wisbar Advances with Pocket Breeze and Pocket Weather that I finally put them on my TP and turned of the TF3D -- debated quite awhile before doing so because I like the TF3D interface, just found my other configuration "more comfortable" to use. As for speed, it's hard to tell -- the non-TF configuration is quite snappy and I rarely have to wait, but my TF3D configuration was always snappy too -- didn't really feel it was slow and it would be hard to say that w/o it my TP is any faster.
yes, I turned touchflo off. I use spb mobile shell. just because it's so much better/easier to use!
If it's faster? I have no idea...but it run's veeeery smootly @ the moment!
I was wondering the same thing.... I loved the HTC Home program on my HTC Artemis and I can't get quite into TF3D...
Is there a VGA version of HOME??
Same here. Disabled Touch3DFlo and installed Spb Mobileshell.
But I don't see any changes whatever the speed.
I'm surprised to see so many people disabling touchflo, yet those without it are usually trying to get it. I loved TF3D and the standard windows mobile just seems so boring.
I disable TF3D few days before, and reuse it when I meet "Second Today".
Faster than enable? No, same, as same as slow.
It seems that without tf3d is a little bit faster, but not very much. TF3D was the most beautiful interface I saw in a wm device, and it resisted the longest but after the wow-factor depleted I still got back to the very functionally SPB Pocket Plus.
With these settings it runs almost as fast as my old eten m700 with tb_tb firmware. Some screen redrawing is visible from time to time and screen realigns after 3 seconds - very slow - to landscape mode when opening keyboard, but in rest is sure fast. Now for some 3D games utilizing the 3D card in the qualcom chipset?
I'm thinking of removing the TF3D but I don't know where to download the SPB mobile shell? I can only find one page but I actually have to pay for the software? Isn't it opensource / freeware?
No, it's not freeware.
I just want 'HTC HOME' back!
But what if you do want to install TF3D? Can you download it somewhere?
I would like to get rid of some items, that are installed during the installation of TF3D. Now it is not so hard to install without TF3D (and not having those nasty's) But i like TF3D, so i would like to install this afterwards.
the same, disabled touchlo, installed SPB mobile shell...also, the email and sms wien in touchlo was very uncomfortable for me, if i was looking for some email, i had to scroll through all of them
I really dont remember how fast it was, but withouth it its fast enough for me (i had htc P3300 before and that was slow as hell)
No ideas where to find TF3D? I think it's not illegal, because i already am running TF3D. It's just that i don't want the 'extra's'
So i purchased my Fuze on Monday, and its my first WM device.
Overall its a great device and i like it more than my iPhone.
Ive been recently trying to customize it and ive downloaded nice TF3D themes, and done some registry editting to change the sliding sound.
What i want to know is if there is another way to make the Fuze run and perform alot faster than how it runs out of the Box.
I did some of the performance TWEAKS that i found on a Touch Pro thread. and that worked. But is their anything else that you guys would recommend? Maybe deleting unused programs? or idk.
I dont really like, that there is some Lag when switching thru the tabs in TF3d, and the long loading times for opening programs.
Mind you, that i dont want to go through the effort of installing a new ROM. Mainly because of the fact that i cant seem to find a perfectly good, tutorial on how to do this.
Thanks
Alucard_11 said:
What i want to know is if there is another way to make the Fuze run and perform alot faster than how it runs out of the Box.
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I did some of the performance TWEAKS that i found on a Touch Pro thread. and that worked.
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You pretty much answered your own question. The registry and adv config tweaks (make sure to increase file sys cache too) are your best hope, IMO.
But if you want smooth performance all the time, flashing is your only option. With NATF's rom, TF3D is only jerky now on initial startup. After 2min, it's smooth, even if I have mp3s playing in media player running in the background.
I only wish 640x480 video playback was faster...
Alucard_11 said:
So i purchased my Fuze on Monday, and its my first WM device.
Overall its a great device and i like it more than my iPhone.
Ive been recently trying to customize it and ive downloaded nice TF3D themes, and done some registry editting to change the sliding sound.
What i want to know is if there is another way to make the Fuze run and perform alot faster than how it runs out of the Box.
I did some of the performance TWEAKS that i found on a Touch Pro thread. and that worked. But is their anything else that you guys would recommend? Maybe deleting unused programs? or idk.
I dont really like, that there is some Lag when switching thru the tabs in TF3d, and the long loading times for opening programs.
Mind you, that i dont want to go through the effort of installing a new ROM. Mainly because of the fact that i cant seem to find a perfectly good, tutorial on how to do this.
Thanks
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search for diamond tweak. install that...take a look at the performance tab. max out the cache settings...all 3 of them. there is a bunch other good tweaks in there as well.
Please see this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413562
Which one u feel better. wimo 6.1 or 6.5??? (doing survey)
After i try both, i still feel 6.1 suit me.
Reply me with two answer
1)Which u feel better, reason?
2)Which rom r u using now.
Thank.
I like 6.5 better.
1) I liked TF3D, but Titanium does all the same stuff for me and is much lighter on resources.
2) Even though the start menu is a little slower, I still like it better than the older versions.
3) I like the scrolling menus, I don't have to use the stylus as much.
4) With the recent builds, its getting up to the speed of 6.1.
I'm using RRE v3.
6.5 for me
speed is better, start menu is better, scrolling is better
and you can still use tf3d especially rhodium version you lose nothing by upgrading
I hate 6.5 start menu. I kinda like the 6.1 menu and link to programs/settings, with my shortcut list.
I've also had some compatibility issues with 6.5.
6.5 here. I like the Chome/Titanium interface better than touchflo3d.
Screen refreshes faster.
I've noticed that all the wm6.5 roms I've tried, seem to bug after time. The bug I'm talking about is the messaging slowing down in response after time. It seems like it's because there are more messages. Is this a wm6.5 bug?
1. I like wm6.5's speed. It seems to lag less, but overall max performance is the same I think (not tested using any speed test)
2. I'm currently using RREs 6.5 rom v5
Im starting to like 6.5. The speed and stability of the rom im using (rre) is winning me over. The start menu is the only thing i dont like, but everything else is good to go, at least for me
Love 6.5...............BUT going with 6.1 since some software (medical) isn't supported yet on 6.5 (epocrates specifically - at least, without losing autoupdate feature)....
Once that is taken care of, back to 6.5 for me. Loved the speed and the menu actually.
I wasn't much of a fan of 6.5 but I decided to geive Energy 3.0 Phoenix a swing and so far it is going well. I think that ROM brought me over. I will try RRE some time later since I was using RRE 5.8 before and it is still my favourite 6.1.
You can install QuickMenu and just make sure it's not set to replace the start menu. Then get the best of both worlds.
6.5, IMO.
6.5, primarily due to the native slide-to-unlock screen... I had problems with 3rd party solutions. The 6.5 app is all I need, no more, no less and it just works. I prefer the new menus as well... they are a little more finger friendly.
But I still prefer TF3D over titanium.
I tested 6.5 and it's ok but I hate new start menu.
Menus works perfect - I really like it.
IMHO i would say 6.5, it is alot more finger friendly, battery usage and speed are about the same for me.
1) For me 6.5 is way better, everything looks nicer and scrolling is soooo much smoother... New start menu (without Honeycomb) is so nice and smooth... Still like TF3D2 better then Chrome, it reserves more space for the screen selected and provides a better oversight.
2) Using EnergyROM 2009/06/12, it's incredibly stable and FAST
tried 6.5 and hated it, back to 6.1 start menu, "finger friendly" context menus were WAY to big. I bought a vga device to have MORE info per screen, not huge, zoomed in fonts
Manila, Manila 2.1, Manila 2.5, Sense.
Cool, Eye catchers, Smooth, etc. etc. etc.
These add-ons make the Topaz look and feel better. Just scroll left, scroll right, touch the thing and it rollz.
Is this really needed?
I don't think so. I have tried a lot of roms with these interfaces. Indeed the eyes are satisfied. But the performance is not.
I want when press the green send button the dialer to appear immediately, not after the phone first wake up. I want when executing something the thing to be run, rather than waiting sometimes ridiculous seconds until the appearance.
I was bored and bored with waiting. Really why something to be loaded into my system if that is not what works for me?? I work with dialer, contacts, calendar, run various applications. Why to waste system resources on interfaces???
My boredom lead to removing the sense through the today settings and
adding some today plugins, like launcher. And of course – topaz keyboard control for keys mapping.
The result is much much faster phone, which works for me, not for the interface.
Edit: WM 6.1. is fast, but a lot of features from 2009 are missing, that is why I prefer WM6.5.
if you want speed install wm 6.1 with no interface.
orlean, agree completely
orlean said:
Manila, Manila 2.1, Manila 2.5, Sense.
Cool, Eye catchers, Smooth, etc. etc. etc.
These add-ons make the Topaz look and feel better. Just scroll left, scroll right, touch the thing and it rollz.
Is this really needed?
I don't think so. I have tried a lot of roms with these interfaces. Indeed the eyes are satisfied. But the performance is not.
I want when press the green send button the dialer to appear immediately, not after the phone first wake up. I want when executing something the thing to be run, rather than waiting sometimes ridiculous seconds until the appearance.
I was bored and bored with waiting. Really why something to be loaded into my system if that is not what works for me?? I work with dialer, contacts, calendar, run various applications. Why to waste system resources on interfaces???
My boredom lead to removing the sense through the today settings and
adding some today plugins, like launcher. And of course – topaz keyboard control for keys mapping.
The result is much much faster phone, which works for me, not for the interface.
Edit: WM 6.1. is fast, but a lot of features from 2009 are missing, that is why I prefer WM6.5.
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which features do you mean??????
cyron_at
Basically I lack WIFI router integrated (I know I can install it separately);
And I had some bad expirence with some settings which I can not recall now.
But the number of question marks in your post made me look for another 6.1. realase. I am now downloading tess 6.1. from august.
What do you use?
use tess and you will be fine).
and if 6.1 is ugly to you try home ui or new infinity ui. they are speedy too.
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cyron_at
Basically I lack WIFI router integrated (I know I can install it separately);
And I had some bad expirence with some settings which I can not recall now.
But the number of question marks in your post made me look for another 6.1. realase. I am now downloading tess 6.1. from august.
What do you use?
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I am using duttys HG R6...very stable; but try them all and make your choice...
So this has anything to do with themes?
I didnt think so. Try posting in the right section, then maybe your phone will be speedier.
xboxhaxorz said:
So this has anything to do with themes?
I didnt think so. Try posting in the right section, then maybe your phone will be speedier.
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The forum is titled " Topaz Themes, Applications and Software"
Sense 2.1 & 2.5 fit 2 of these categories....
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So this has anything to do with themes?
I didnt think so. Try posting in the right section, then maybe your phone will be speedier.
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chill man he posted about the fact that mannila sucks and he coudnt be more correct.
I'm with you! Stopped using Manila a few days ago and my mobile experience has never been better. Using no today plug-ins now and my phone is faster, lighter and more stable than ever before. Memory usage is now 33% on a fresh boot and my home screen is uncluttered showing only my wallpaper, which looks great.
The most important thing for me was organising my start menu so that all my apps are readily accessable. That done, it's easy for me to access everything i need quickly, in fact faster than it was using Manila. I find Winmo 6.5 has everything i need with exception of a few things, and for those there are great free alternatives without having to resort to Manila bloat. For instance i use Nitrogen as a music player which is ten times better than Windows mobile media player OR Manila player.
Of course your mileage will vary but in my opinion the OP is right. Get yourself a good 6.5 ROM, install apps for the things you need/use a lot and use the start menu to access them.
Hi DirkGently1,
Hi guys;
I tried WM6.5. then reverted to 6.1.
I have running in the background: FingerKeyboard, AutoCallRecord, PlayPause, Topazkbgkontrol.
Memory after restart... 29%
I use Topaz Essential 6.1. v.2f
And the best part is that I don't want to flash new rom anymore :
orlean said:
Hi DirkGently1,
Hi guys;
I tried WM6.5. then reverted to 6.1.
I have running in the background: FingerKeyboard, AutoCallRecord, PlayPause, Topazkbgkontrol.
Memory after restart... 29%
I use Topaz Essential 6.1. v.2f
And the best part is that I don't want to flash new rom anymore :
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So true. Once you find a good ROM there's no reason to change. Stability and speed are what makes a good user experience and Manila, or any other add-on UI, runs contrary to that by adding complexity, instability and bloat.
i hate to say this twice but realy , try infinity. runs realy great on topaz. it maybe not complete replacment yet but its usable
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i hate to say this twice but realy , try infinity. runs realy great on topaz. it maybe not complete replacment yet but its usable
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But what does it do that i can't do without it?
well. nothing realy. but its nice to have shortcuts the way you want them and see what time it is. and all that is pretty without slowdowns
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582081
Just a nod to the chef here for people who like a clean rom without any bloatware. Xara 6.5.x clean is working perfectly on my Topaz and i LOVE it!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582081
Just a nod to the chef here for people who like a clean rom without any bloatware. Xara 6.5.x clean is working perfectly on my Topaz and i LOVE it!
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Great! That is what I am always looking for! I dont understand how can I pass that. nah....
Thanks for the link dude
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Great! That is what I am always looking for! I dont understand how can I pass that. nah....
Thanks for the link dude
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My pleasure!
This is the 1st truly useable clean rom that has been released for the Topaz and it is really spot on. Even the default Windows Mobile keyboard is useable, in fact much improved from previous iterations.
Kudos to the chef.
Ï hate Manila and I hate 6.5 -and I'll probably also hate 7