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Interesting Question

With AT&T ROM 1.62 out now, I seem to be left a bit confused. We have all seen the WM 6.1 ROMs floating around on the site, but that leaves me wondering why AT&T did not upgrade to WM 6.1 considering that there are working WM6.1 ROMs available for the Kaiser.
So, what then is the story on these ROMs? Are the WM 6.1 ROMs lacking in the bug fixes that are contained within the 1.62 ROM, or are the WM 6.1 ROMs some kind of HTC internal beta ROM (and therefore not without bugs)? It just seems a bit bizarre that AT&T didn't use the opportunity to upgrade to WM 6.1.

Nothing odd about it. 1.62 was an AT&T release that was finalized & slated for release at about the same time the device was release to public by AT&T. Frequently companies such as HTC are pressured to release a device ASAP & will do so even with some issues, as long as it passes the network testing. ALthough the devices are accepted by AT&T & are released the task of fixing the known issues continue.
Just like when you bought your XP computer. There were tons of security issues. You still wanted XP & companies still wanted to sell it to you. Now years later, you have a heavily patched XP OS due to all the updates.
This is basically what the 1.62 update is. Patches for small issue that they knew about, but that weren't significant enough to postpone the release date.
WM6.1 has been around for a while. It's not ready for primetime though. When you see a post touting the WM6.1 as "Official" that is intended to let you know that it is from an official or trusted anonymous source with inside knowledge or access.
If you've been following the WM6.1 threads, you know that WM6.1 will not work very well without tweaking & fixes being cooked in. It was only recently given to the operators for testing & will take some time to pass OEM & then Operator testing.
Currently, WM has also finished WM6.5 prototypes, WM6.6 is intended to be the final stepping stone before Photon or WM7.
I would say that it will be 4 - 6 months before an operator released 6.1 is available. After that you will see maybe some minor fixes & patches & then in about 12 - 18 months wm6.5. (WM6.5 if compatible with the Kaiser will be here before the of course) So maybe you'll see some cooked 6.5 ROM's within the next 12 months.
Everything in technology comes in steps. A lot of what you find here has already been in development for AT LEAST 6 months to a year. These update (AKU) are MS fixes, that then have to go to OEM's for testing & application of the OAL (OEM Adaptaion Layer) for new devices, &/or then to the operators such as AT&T for further testing & deployment. (which as of late has been defered to HTC)
WM6.1 is close, & some of the cooked versions are excelent, Sleuth comes to mind, but the ROM chef's here do not have the testing & protocol restrictions that the OEM development teams are faced with. (That said, I believe that those teams also lack the skill & creativity of XDA's finest as well)

AT&T Tilt 6.1 ROM versions

Looking for some advice here... The wiki is down, at least for me. I haven't been able to access it for the last two days.
I would like to finally update the ROM on my Tilt, and need some advice on the ROM options. Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid v2 5.2.19700 seems popular... What other options are there?
Here's some parameters. I am on the original AT&T 1.57.502.2 with the 1.27.12.11 radio (no bloatware). I'd like to find a ROM that's fast, stable, support's AT&T Tilt (US) keyboard layout, includes AT&T's standard network settings, and as much of my "core" software as possible. My "essential software" includes HTC Diamond keyboard set, HTC Album, HTC Home, S2U2, MS Live Search, Calc 1 Lite (from Dutty), Touch dialer, updated Nadavi HTC Camera (5.0.4.2915), OneNote mobile (from Dutty), Opera mini 4 beta (waiting for my Skyfire beta invite...), the M&M Marshall WaitCursor, and my favorite black glossy skin.
I understand this is an open-ended question... just looking for some educated opinions. Maybe the Wiki has good info, but as I said, it's down. Maybe a sticky with a summary listing is in order?

I went with Dutty's because it's tried, true, fast (based on benchmark) and also, probably most importantly, it's so popular that if you have issues then there is a vast array of folks who probably had it before and either has a solution or you know 'that's not fixed yet' so don't waste your time fiddling with it.
My only regret is that I went with the "cubed" version instead of the "non-cubed" as I like some of the other cubes out there...I would suggest going with the non-cubed so if you ever go with any of the cube UIs you can select your own.
You can overwrite the Cube on Dutty's but it's still sitting in the memory area wasting space even when it's not in use.

meanvulcan said:
Looking for some advice here... The wiki is down, at least for me. I haven't been able to access it for the last two days.
I would like to finally update the ROM on my Tilt, and need some advice on the ROM options. Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid v2 5.2.19700 seems popular... What other options are there?
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Honestly, if you've waited this long, I would wait until the official HTC release comes out this month, as there are bound to be new builds all around. Once would hope the latest release would have the most fixes built in and be the most stable.
Of course, the release may be a hoax...but I would spend two more weeks researching and then if there isn't an official release, at least you will be better informed to use what's out there.

Best Cube UI
twinpeaks said:
My only regret is that I went with the "cubed" version instead of the "non-cubed" as I like some of the other cubes out there...I would suggest going with the non-cubed so if you ever go with any of the cube UIs you can select your own.
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OK, if the Cube UI included in dutty's is not the best cube, which one is? What are the choices?

bengalih said:
Honestly, if you've waited this long, I would wait until the official HTC release comes out this month, as there are bound to be new builds all around. Once would hope the latest release would have the most fixes built in and be the most stable.
Of course, the release may be a hoax...but I would spend two more weeks researching and then if there isn't an official release, at least you will be better informed to use what's out there.
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Thanks. That makes sense... There also seems to be a new AT&T ROM this week ([05/11/2008] ATT 19213 build with 1.65.20.29 radio) and no cooked updates on top of that

Ummmmm...there are several cooked version of that specific ROM you are looking for!!!!
Shogun Mark's Version
RynCPpr Version
L2 Version
just read the posts they are there!

Newb with Rom questions..

Before you guys flame me, i've already read a lot about the different roms, and i'm not coming asking for rom help.... I recently purchased an unlocked tilt with a custom rom already installed. I believe it is this rom... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347879 I am going to change that rom and upgrade it to a much newer, and battery saving rom. When i was searching i came across this rom... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361544&highlight=extend+battery+life
I also came across this rom....http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947 Which rom in your opinion has better battery use, and is more stable?? If you dont think one of these are the best rom, which one would you suggest?? and finally, what rom are you using??
Thanks
-EP

no one can tell what's best for you. try out some different roms, that's the best way to tell whats best for you.

cant really suggest what u should use because its all based on personal prefs...i cant tell u which girl to go after as your wife or which house to buy or which car to buy...u have to test and see which one fits u most...and i'm using the L26 rom in my sigature

Nearly all of the ROMs posted here in the last two months are based on early leaked (unofficial) WM 6.1 builds. They are unofficial because they are still being debugged by HTC and the carriers. HTC is going to release an official 6.1 any day now and an at&t version is expected to follow shortly. Custom ROMs based on the official releases will be available within days of the official releases.
The last two unoficial at&t builds, 19209, 19213 (and all custom ROMS based on these builds) contain noticeable graphics performance improvements. The official releases will also have this improvement.
You could try one of the recent ROMS based on these builds now but you will want to move to something "official - based" once available, assuming you want to upgrade to WM 6.1
I've flashed half a dozen (or so) ROMs over the last two months but am currently on the stock at&t 19213.
Warning...this can be habit forming...
Enjoy!

xboomer55 said:
Nearly all of the ROMs posted here in the last two months are based on early leaked (unofficial) WM 6.1 builds. They are unofficial because they are still being debugged by HTC and the carriers. HTC is going to release an official 6.1 any day now and an at&t version is expected to follow shortly. Custom ROMs based on the official releases will be available within days of the official releases.
The last two unoficial at&t builds, 19209, 19213 (and all custom ROMS based on these builds) contain noticeable graphics performance improvements. The official releases will also have this improvement.
You could try one of the recent ROMS based on these builds now but you will want to move to something "official - based" once available, assuming you want to upgrade to WM 6.1
I've flashed half a dozen (or so) ROMs over the last two months but am currently on the stock at&t 19213.
Warning...this can be habit forming...
Enjoy!
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Half right ! Microsoft has officially released WM 6.1 it is not " leaked. "
That is what 6.1 cooked roms are based on. Some carriers have already included it in roms for new phones and as updates.
It is rumored that a new rom with 6.1 will be available for the TyTn by the end of the month. The HTC rumor is that they will not upgrade the Tilt anytime soon, but other rumors say they will. Believe what you will

Microsoft oficially released WM 6.1 to manufacturers. Manufacturers must add another layer of software to integrate the OS to the hardware.Manufaturers also customize carrier specific models (i.e at&t Tilt) to an additional set of specifications that are ordered by the carrier. And so it goes...
See the link for a rom that is rumored to be an HTC official release for TyTn II. The rom is dated 5/2/08.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393535
Here is the link to the latest leaked at&t version that HTC and at&T are developing for the Tilt.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391708

Treo 750 users: "Which WM 6.5 rom is your choice, and why?"

Hello everybody;
i looked at the WM 6.5 roms at this topic but i have no idea that which one was the best and the most stable rom in here. All of them are updated long time ago (2009).
So please Treo 750 users tell me; "Which WM 6.5 rom is your choice, and why?"
Thanks for your advices...

you can try by yourself which is better
no one of the two roms is perfect,
i'm now using the newest one but it has some serious bugs as well
i'm using it since it's newer and have a newer version on winmo 6.5

I'm using MietasSR's rom at the moment, but will be switching back to 6.1 or dumping my Treo in favor of some Android flavor this week.
Both main WM6.5 ROMs (MietasSR's and Navendrob's) have serious deal breaking bugs in them. It's just a matter of what you can put up with.
I know several people have asked both of them to at least post their kitchens if they aren't going to finish the bug fixing work (despite promising they would), but both have disappeared.
Those of us that like the form factor of the Treo and want to keep using it would love to see ROM development continue, but realize that the Treo is long past its prime and well below the radar screen now so updates are unlikely. It's even worse when someone posts something that has potential to be good and then vanishes. I have been holding out hope for continued use of this device for way too long and now I am very close to just being done with it.
As seblog siad, there's really no point in getting responses to the question when it takes 10 minutes to swap them. Just see which one you like better and go with it.

Question thinking of buying

Yes I read reviews.
I owned a Oneplus One years ago and I gave up waiting for an upgrade and bought something else.
I here that OnePlus is better at upgrading today than they were four years ago. Is this true ?
Like I said I read and I know OnePlus 6 has available an Oxygen Beta (Android Pie) but it has not been officially released ? Is true if I buy a device I may need to wait several months until they Officially release Android Pie.
Now I know you will say just run the Beta it is stable but here is the make of break question I need Android Pay and Wear OS. My experience tells me if I flash a Beta required apps like Android Pay and Wear OS may stop working.
If I buy today I think the safe thing will be to wait for Oxygen OS (Android Pie) to be released. Customer ROMs or Beta OS will break for sure Android Pay.
Other than hating to wait for official releases this device looks fine.
No wireless charging sucks but I can live without it.
The Pixel camera maybe better but I read the OnePlus 6 camera is not bad
The OnePlus 6T will be out in November but ..... THERE IS ALWAYS A NEW DEVICE around the corner. Wait for the OnePlus 6T..... oh but it a few months this will be released.
This device gives better value for the dollar.

Android pay is not working in Beta, you should read the OP forum in the beta thread to see all the things being said.
The 6T rumor is that it will come with Pie installed but since it isn't out yet nobody knows if it will really be installed out from the gate.
Personally, I think Oxygen OS is a mess and from what I see on the threads for Pie, they're just patching it yet again and putting a new UI on it over starting from scratch. All they keep doing is carrying over bugs from previous versions and then trying to re-patch them again for either the new device model and/or new Android system. Considering treble is now installed on both the 5 and 6, IMO they should have started fresh and should have been working on coding an entirely new OS 2 years ago.
If I were you, I would wait until Pie is released in the fall and see how it goes and what the complaints are before buying anything.

Official Pie has been released, you can already download the firmware and flash it.
As for updates and kernel source upload speed, the OP6 gets both the fastest among all devices I had.
As for taking pics, use the gcam port for great picture quality and the oos cam for [email protected] recording.

The Official build for Android pie has been released today which is nice as it took only about 1.5 months after Google released it themselves.

Thanks I jumped on a sale, and ordered one.
I am not even sure at this point I care about the Pixel, it may have a better camera but I am sure ordering the One Plus 6 I saved hundreds of dollars.

The OP 6T is set to be released in the next couple months. Unless you're in need of a headphone jack, I'd wait to get the latest version.

floridaman said:
Android pay is not working in Beta, you should read the OP forum in the beta thread to see all the things being said.
The 6T rumor is that it will come with Pie installed but since it isn't out yet nobody knows if it will really be installed out from the gate.
Personally, I think Oxygen OS is a mess and from what I see on the threads for Pie, they're just patching it yet again and putting a new UI on it over starting from scratch. All they keep doing is carrying over bugs from previous versions and then trying to re-patch them again for either the new device model and/or new Android system. Considering treble is now installed on both the 5 and 6, IMO they should have started fresh and should have been working on coding an entirely new OS 2 years ago.
If I were you, I would wait until Pie is released in the fall and see how it goes and what the complaints are before buying anything.
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... That's not how android works .. even less since treble... You don't simply "patch" your Android version up to date, especially when it's a major revision that is changed. Most oftenly they start from scratch with some cherry picks. And rebuild blobs whenever necessary... files come from AOSP in it's normal form, then every time android releases a new version, this has to be merged with the current existing release yes, but that means that every difference from x that y has changes into x (x being the updated file, any of em, Y Being the old, already installed one)... Bringing something on /system over from one of the earlier oos, to a newer oos, would break alot. I mean.. we can't even run ob3 custom kernels on GM pie... Because changes... Having something stick around doesn't mean it hasn't been touched, porting is another thing, and there is also maybe a chance that it's the same group of devs handling this as it was back then. It's still oneplus. Also. Oos isnt nearly as bad as you make it sound.. Oos is by far the best fork of Android I've seen launched as an OEM specific android experience, and I've seen alot of phones. Simply due to its close resemblance of the pure experience, with it's small addins for simplicity, performance, and ease of use. The UI is Google's own new material guideline. Not oneplus'. And there was 3 pie betas wherein other Companies reach up to 18-20 betas... Are we owning the same device?

efinityy said:
... That's not how android works .. even less since treble... You don't simply "patch" your Android version up to date, especially when it's a major revision that is changed. Most oftenly they start from scratch with some cherry picks. And rebuild blobs whenever necessary... files come from AOSP in it's normal form, then every time android releases a new version, this has to be merged with the current existing release yes, but that means that every difference from x that y has changes into x (x being the updated file, any of em, Y Being the old, already installed one)... Bringing something on /system over from one of the earlier oos, to a newer oos, would break alot. I mean.. we can't even run ob3 custom kernels on GM pie... Because changes... Having something stick around doesn't mean it hasn't been touched, porting is another thing, and there is also maybe a chance that it's the same group of devs handling this as it was back then. It's still oneplus. Also. Oos isnt nearly as bad as you make it sound.. Oos is by far the best fork of Android I've seen launched as an OEM specific android experience, and I've seen alot of phones. Simply due to its close resemblance of the pure experience, with it's small addins for simplicity, performance, and ease of use. The UI is Google's own new material guideline. Not oneplus'. And there was 3 pie betas wherein other Companies reach up to 18-20 betas... Are we owning the same device?
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I didn't say they were patching Android, I said they were patching their OS. Yes, I know they are 2 different things and I know things are working differently since treble. They can fully keep taking their Oxygen OS and throwing it over the latest version of Android and patch it to make it work with the new code, which is exactly what they've been doing. Yes, they get a guideline, that doesn't mean they are stuck doing only that and making no improvements/changes. There are literally hundreds of options they can code for, but don't.
I'm sorry, but it's not only simple, it's downright beyond basic even to what Google turns on and codes for features. Spare me the dribble of "pure android" please, it's a ridiculous mantra. I've not put the beta's on my phone but have been reading the forum and I have not yet received the stable update that has been just pushed out. But I already see some of the complaints coming in and no I'm not talking about the nonsensical postings.
If you think that OP is doing a great job on their OS, then you and I clearly have different standards. I'm glad you love it so much, to each his own in that regard.

floridaman said:
I didn't say they were patching Android, I said they were patching their OS. Yes, I know they are 2 different things and I know things are working differently since treble. They can fully keep taking their Oxygen OS and throwing it over the latest version of Android and patch it to make it work with the new code, which is exactly what they've been doing. Yes, they get a guideline, that doesn't mean they are stuck doing only that and making no improvements/changes. There are literally hundreds of options they can code for, but don't.
I'm sorry, but it's not only simple, it's downright beyond basic even to what Google turns on and codes for features. Spare me the dribble of "pure android" please, it's a ridiculous mantra. I've not put the beta's on my phone but have been reading the forum and I have not yet received the stable update that has been just pushed out. But I already see some of the complaints coming in and no I'm not talking about the nonsensical postings.
If you think that OP is doing a great job on their OS, then you and I clearly have different standards. I'm glad you love it so much, to each his own in that regard.
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To each their own indeed. And it's not a ridiculous mantra.just as countless many others, I do prefer to be able to switch over countless amounts of phone but still have the same familiar, debloated and resource friendly UI. Having to learning all the different "UX"s gets pretty dull, as soon as ie Samsung gets settled with one, they change design language. And that, for me, is a deal breaker, I don't feel like having to relearn the same basics over and over, and where I usually have to install another AOSP based ROM on ie my Xperia, HTC or Samsung. Whilst the OnePlus just has the familiarity and non-rubbish feel to it that AOSP has. But don't get me wrong, as you said, to each their own, and if it wasn't for people like you that don't want the stock feel, we wouldn't have custom kernels and/or ROMs. And I've ran all the betas except ob3 and currently run the stable... And I've yet to run into any app not loading, crashing, or features not working as intended. But I would recommend not jumping on the bandwagon as I regret doing so, until there are some more data and user reviews of the stable branch. And I'm not trusting anyone doing a forum post not being previously recognized or a proper reviewer. The stable build is solid, but it's still early to tell.