With AT&T ROM 1.62 out now, I seem to be left a bit confused. We have all seen the WM 6.1 ROMs floating around on the site, but that leaves me wondering why AT&T did not upgrade to WM 6.1 considering that there are working WM6.1 ROMs available for the Kaiser.
So, what then is the story on these ROMs? Are the WM 6.1 ROMs lacking in the bug fixes that are contained within the 1.62 ROM, or are the WM 6.1 ROMs some kind of HTC internal beta ROM (and therefore not without bugs)? It just seems a bit bizarre that AT&T didn't use the opportunity to upgrade to WM 6.1.
Nothing odd about it. 1.62 was an AT&T release that was finalized & slated for release at about the same time the device was release to public by AT&T. Frequently companies such as HTC are pressured to release a device ASAP & will do so even with some issues, as long as it passes the network testing. ALthough the devices are accepted by AT&T & are released the task of fixing the known issues continue.
Just like when you bought your XP computer. There were tons of security issues. You still wanted XP & companies still wanted to sell it to you. Now years later, you have a heavily patched XP OS due to all the updates.
This is basically what the 1.62 update is. Patches for small issue that they knew about, but that weren't significant enough to postpone the release date.
WM6.1 has been around for a while. It's not ready for primetime though. When you see a post touting the WM6.1 as "Official" that is intended to let you know that it is from an official or trusted anonymous source with inside knowledge or access.
If you've been following the WM6.1 threads, you know that WM6.1 will not work very well without tweaking & fixes being cooked in. It was only recently given to the operators for testing & will take some time to pass OEM & then Operator testing.
Currently, WM has also finished WM6.5 prototypes, WM6.6 is intended to be the final stepping stone before Photon or WM7.
I would say that it will be 4 - 6 months before an operator released 6.1 is available. After that you will see maybe some minor fixes & patches & then in about 12 - 18 months wm6.5. (WM6.5 if compatible with the Kaiser will be here before the of course) So maybe you'll see some cooked 6.5 ROM's within the next 12 months.
Everything in technology comes in steps. A lot of what you find here has already been in development for AT LEAST 6 months to a year. These update (AKU) are MS fixes, that then have to go to OEM's for testing & application of the OAL (OEM Adaptaion Layer) for new devices, &/or then to the operators such as AT&T for further testing & deployment. (which as of late has been defered to HTC)
WM6.1 is close, & some of the cooked versions are excelent, Sleuth comes to mind, but the ROM chef's here do not have the testing & protocol restrictions that the OEM development teams are faced with. (That said, I believe that those teams also lack the skill & creativity of XDA's finest as well)
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In the past when a new Base ROM appeared for another device (Trinity, Hermes) then very quickly one or two of the ROM porters would post on here a port for the Wizard. Now over the past few weeks the main ROM guys just haven't been posting. Sure we have had people cook a few ROMs based on the last one that was ported (5.2.1933), however nothing new has appeared.
Is everyone moving over to newer devices and abandoning the Wizard?
Andy
they threw wizards thru the window, problably...
maybe you will kill me, but who cares about new ported roms - 318 is ok enough
newer ones won't make wizard faster..
only things, that i am lacking, personally - adding extrom space to storage(bigstorage)..
i know. i love the wizard. i came close to buying other fones but the wizard does it for me. i love changing new roms, adding new programs. its like my lil pet project.
please we need new roms with more style and newer features
Sorry but...
...how can you possibly say this?
The last rom for wizard was published on 22nd november, 3 days ago, the last but one on 20th nov, 6 days ago, and so on... We have the latest build available, 5.2.1933, so what else can you ask for?
Moreover, this phone is quite old (in human time)/GARGANTUANLY old (in technology time) so i'm amazed that so many developers are still working on it!
This is a great community and i've nothing to complain about!
dortyboy said:
i know. i love the wizard. i came close to buying other fones but the wizard does it for me. i love changing new roms, adding new programs. its like my lil pet project.
please we need new roms with more style and newer features
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The point is there are no "new features"...all the newer releases did was add additional bugs, issues and instability. The XM6 series of rom's (R4 currently) has used the 318 build all the way back to it's early releases because mfrazzz found it the most stable of the rom's...now 318 is the "new in thing" and everyone is using it as a base rom.
Latest does not = Greatest.
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...how can you possibly say this?
The last rom for wizard was published on 22nd november, 3 days ago, the last but one on 20th nov, 6 days ago, and so on... We have the latest build available, 5.2.1933, so what else can you ask for?
Moreover, this phone is quite old (in human time)/GARGANTUANLY old (in technology time) so i'm amazed that so many developers are still working on it!
This is a great community and i've nothing to complain about!
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22nd November? - 5.2.1933 has been around since October.....
5.2.1948 has been around for a week or so for other devices. In the past when a new base appeared for a different device I think there was only a delay of a day or so before someone posted a port for the Wizard.
I am not complaining - without anyone porting ROMs (or leaking them) we would all still be on WM5, so thanks for everyones hard work so far I was just trying to judge whether all the more senior ROM supremos had migrated to newer devices and were therefore leaving the Wizard.
Andy
There are a few that have moved to newer devices. There's ether broke or they just wanted a newer model. Faria, mattk_r, theloon are a few names I remember. theloon still pops in but who knows for how much longer.
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The point is there are no "new features"...all the newer releases did was add additional bugs, issues and instability. The XM6 series of rom's (R4 currently) has used the 318 build all the way back to it's early releases because mfrazzz found it the most stable of the rom's...now 318 is the "new in thing" and everyone is using it as a base rom.
Latest does not = Greatest.
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It's not possible microsoft release so many new version without any improvement.
Maybe our port is not good as the original versions and because of it we have so many bugs.
but i don't think fair say that not diferences betwen 318 build and others ports
Before you guys flame me, i've already read a lot about the different roms, and i'm not coming asking for rom help.... I recently purchased an unlocked tilt with a custom rom already installed. I believe it is this rom... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347879 I am going to change that rom and upgrade it to a much newer, and battery saving rom. When i was searching i came across this rom... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361544&highlight=extend+battery+life
I also came across this rom....http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388947 Which rom in your opinion has better battery use, and is more stable?? If you dont think one of these are the best rom, which one would you suggest?? and finally, what rom are you using??
Thanks
-EP
no one can tell what's best for you. try out some different roms, that's the best way to tell whats best for you.
cant really suggest what u should use because its all based on personal prefs...i cant tell u which girl to go after as your wife or which house to buy or which car to buy...u have to test and see which one fits u most...and i'm using the L26 rom in my sigature
Nearly all of the ROMs posted here in the last two months are based on early leaked (unofficial) WM 6.1 builds. They are unofficial because they are still being debugged by HTC and the carriers. HTC is going to release an official 6.1 any day now and an at&t version is expected to follow shortly. Custom ROMs based on the official releases will be available within days of the official releases.
The last two unoficial at&t builds, 19209, 19213 (and all custom ROMS based on these builds) contain noticeable graphics performance improvements. The official releases will also have this improvement.
You could try one of the recent ROMS based on these builds now but you will want to move to something "official - based" once available, assuming you want to upgrade to WM 6.1
I've flashed half a dozen (or so) ROMs over the last two months but am currently on the stock at&t 19213.
Warning...this can be habit forming...
Enjoy!
xboomer55 said:
Nearly all of the ROMs posted here in the last two months are based on early leaked (unofficial) WM 6.1 builds. They are unofficial because they are still being debugged by HTC and the carriers. HTC is going to release an official 6.1 any day now and an at&t version is expected to follow shortly. Custom ROMs based on the official releases will be available within days of the official releases.
The last two unoficial at&t builds, 19209, 19213 (and all custom ROMS based on these builds) contain noticeable graphics performance improvements. The official releases will also have this improvement.
You could try one of the recent ROMS based on these builds now but you will want to move to something "official - based" once available, assuming you want to upgrade to WM 6.1
I've flashed half a dozen (or so) ROMs over the last two months but am currently on the stock at&t 19213.
Warning...this can be habit forming...
Enjoy!
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Half right ! Microsoft has officially released WM 6.1 it is not " leaked. "
That is what 6.1 cooked roms are based on. Some carriers have already included it in roms for new phones and as updates.
It is rumored that a new rom with 6.1 will be available for the TyTn by the end of the month. The HTC rumor is that they will not upgrade the Tilt anytime soon, but other rumors say they will. Believe what you will
Microsoft oficially released WM 6.1 to manufacturers. Manufacturers must add another layer of software to integrate the OS to the hardware.Manufaturers also customize carrier specific models (i.e at&t Tilt) to an additional set of specifications that are ordered by the carrier. And so it goes...
See the link for a rom that is rumored to be an HTC official release for TyTn II. The rom is dated 5/2/08.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393535
Here is the link to the latest leaked at&t version that HTC and at&T are developing for the Tilt.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391708
Hope this is the right place to ask this.
Will both these devices be running on WM 6.5 out of the box or just the Firestone?
I ask because I have seen conflicting reports on this.
I am told that even if the Touch Pro doesn't come with 6.5 it will be offered as an upgrade by HTC as soon as 6.5 is available?
I never got a Touch HD in the end or X1 because I saw 6.5 was on the way & thought I would wait for that & if I am going to get a HTC device I want to know 6.5 will be in the equation.
Your information is correct. If 6.5 comes out before the new phone, the phone will contain 6.5. If the new phone comes out first then it will contain 6.1 and an upgrade will be available.
While I have yet to see a definitive list, the general concensus is the phones that were released in the last year or so Raphael, Diamond , Blackstone, et.al, will have an upgrade to 6.5 available from HTC, the older Touchs, Kaiser, Titan Mogul, will not have 6.5 updates avaiable.
But around here does it really matter what HTC or the carriers choose to make available ?
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Your information is correct. If 6.5 comes out before the new phone, the phone will contain 6.5. If the new phone comes out first then it will contain 6.1 and an upgrade will be available.
While I have yet to see a definitive list, the general concensus is the phones that were released in the last year or so Raphael, Diamond , Blackstone, et.al, will have an upgrade to 6.5 available from HTC, the older Touchs, Kaiser, Titan Mogul, will not have 6.5 updates avaiable.
But around here does it really matter what HTC or the carriers choose to make available ?
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That's interesting to hear as I thought they weren't going to offer 6.5 for devices such as the Touch HD. Be interesting to see if 6.1 and 6.5 devices released in 2008/2009 will be able to be upgraded to WM 7.
While HTC's profits lie in selling new phones and there is no profit in supporting older phones, there is a certain PR standard that has to be maintained. I should think that to not offer an upgrade for a phone that was released less that a year ago ( Blackstone ) wouldn't sit well with many customers and potential buyers.
But as I said, around here it is a rather moot point as I was running a 6.1 rom well before 6.1 came out, and have been running 6.5 for over a month, well that is until M$ issued their cease and desist order, at which point I complied and immediately downgraded to 6.1.
denco7 said:
While HTC's profits lie in selling new phones and there is no profit in supporting older phones, there is a certain PR standard that has to be maintained. I should think that to not offer an upgrade for a phone that was released less that a year ago ( Blackstone ) wouldn't sit well with many customers and potential buyers.
But as I said, around here it is a rather moot point as I was running a 6.1 rom well before 6.1 came out, and have been running 6.5 for over a month, well that is until M$ issued their cease and desist order, at which point I complied and immediately downgraded to 6.1.
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We have all probable seen the pictures of how WM 6.5 differs as far as the UI is concerned by how different is it 'under-the-hood' so too speak?
I just saw this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/17/windows-mobile-6-5-to-officially-launch-on-may-11/
Does anyone know how this release will work? will HTC pick this up and offer it as a upgrade on there recent devices like they did with WM6.1?
I really Hope this is the case.
From what I've heard about this, "release" only means the emulator images will be officially released, maybe along with a little showcase from Microsoft. Windows Mobile 6.5 shouldn't officially hit devices for a while after that (I'm guessing a month or two at the very least).
However, XDA's fine community of ROM chefs will have this running on every device long before HTC. And although Microsoft's official upgrade guidelines require only that the device have at least a 400MHz processor and 128MB RAM, the OEM has the final say in whether a device gets an official upgrade or not. HTC has only confirmed that the Touch Pro2 and Diamond2 will get official upgrades, but the MIX '09 conference had a Touch Pro running 6.5, so at least we know it can run it alright.
In my poor old Kaiser's case, I'm positive I won't get an official one; HTC wants me to buy a new device, not to keep using my old one. That doesn't make them any money. But like I said, the brilliant chefs will have this running on every un-upgraded eligible device in no time. But I think the answer is maybe/yes, in the sense that very recent HTC devices will get officially upgraded.
Dave
WIth the Tilt 2 and WM 6.5 coming will the Fuze see an upgrade or will it be only for the Tilt 2?
Good question, but highly unlikely.
AT&T has already released a new rom for the Fuze with several fixes over 6 months ago. I'd be really amazed if they do offer a 6.5 rom for the Fuze. Though in all reality, i still fail to see why people stick with an oem 6.1 rom when 6.5 has so many improvements.
rumor has it that they're not going to give the upgrade for fuze owners. You'll have to deal with the cooked roms, (which i think really rocks, especially NRG's rom). People don't like trying new things and it's also about the big change from 6.1 to 6.5 which require a slight learning curve. but if you're here, then you're willing to learn.. i hope.
Agreed, huge NRGrom fan here, the latest release (genesis) is really nice!
you'd be quite happy with it - there is not much to fear about cooking. So long as you can have activesync connected to your phone for 10 minutes without interruption for the hardspl and rom install, you're golden (translation, don't try with activesync 3.0 or something really old that may not be reliable)
I personally REALLY like the new start menu for windows 6.5 - especially on newer builds where you can click and hold to move around programs
You will definitely not regret installing a cooked rom (again, my personal vote for newbs goes for EnergyROM)
rumours that AT&T is upgrading samsung jet & epix to wm6.5.
There are changes that fuze will be upgraded too.
whyhon said:
rumours that AT&T is upgrading samsung jet & epix to wm6.5.
There are changes that fuze will be upgraded too.
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Does anybody know of a date yet?
Seeing as how 6.5 is not officially to be released until october 6'th when the windows marketplace goes live, we'll see how long after that so AT&T can 'customize' the experience / Butcher the hell out of the rom.
I have a good feeling as soon as 6.5 comes out we are going to see a LOT more people hate their oem rom's.
i really really doubt there will be a 6.5 upgrade. to get an official rom approved, it requires the check off of the manufacturer (htc) and carrier (att) and maybe microsoft, im not really sure about them and winmo licensing to devices. but it would be easier to only focus on the newest devices. if you really want 6.5 they would prefer you buy a new device with it. ive been running 6.5 on my fuze for forever. it rtm'd in may so thats the real "release date" of 6.5. you dont buy windows mobile so dont focus on dates. new builds come out everday since forever. itll be interesting to see what htc does with 6.5 cause the new builds are ugly. for some reason microsoft decided to "improve" the interface without consulting on htc's design brilliance but whatever. we will see.
Does anyone know if you can install a cooked rom using Vista or Windows 7? I don't have access to a WinXP box right now.
Thanks
of course you can. theres no real difference. i have both vista and 7 for cooking. just right click and click run as administrator.
Cassetti said:
...Though in all reality, i still fail to see why people stick with an oem 6.1 rom when 6.5 has so many improvements.
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Really? Seriously? Granted, there are "under the hood" improvements but the UI is a bad joke.
How did it happen that MS can't even line up a grid of icons on a rectangular screen?
I'll tell you how. The artistiicly inclined design folks missed a meeting, and a geek with a slide rule explained how there would be more area for your fat thumb if icons were arranged in a "honycombed" grid.
This absurdity never got caught in time. Too late. Can't change it now. Wait for WM7.
Remember this whenever you look at your device.
Just my opinion. Doesn't matter. Some will be happy with whatever slop MS ships.
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
hi,
recently one of my friend give me at&t fuze of following Specification
ROM=1.95.502.5 WWE
Radio=1.02.25.32
now need help to upgrade the rom and radio,
i tried latest TAEL rom but it is giving me error.
can u suggest me any idea...
thanks in advance..
suraj