I just saw this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/17/windows-mobile-6-5-to-officially-launch-on-may-11/
Does anyone know how this release will work? will HTC pick this up and offer it as a upgrade on there recent devices like they did with WM6.1?
I really Hope this is the case.
From what I've heard about this, "release" only means the emulator images will be officially released, maybe along with a little showcase from Microsoft. Windows Mobile 6.5 shouldn't officially hit devices for a while after that (I'm guessing a month or two at the very least).
However, XDA's fine community of ROM chefs will have this running on every device long before HTC. And although Microsoft's official upgrade guidelines require only that the device have at least a 400MHz processor and 128MB RAM, the OEM has the final say in whether a device gets an official upgrade or not. HTC has only confirmed that the Touch Pro2 and Diamond2 will get official upgrades, but the MIX '09 conference had a Touch Pro running 6.5, so at least we know it can run it alright.
In my poor old Kaiser's case, I'm positive I won't get an official one; HTC wants me to buy a new device, not to keep using my old one. That doesn't make them any money. But like I said, the brilliant chefs will have this running on every un-upgraded eligible device in no time. But I think the answer is maybe/yes, in the sense that very recent HTC devices will get officially upgraded.
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We all have read about HTC wanting to be the first to come out with an Android handset. But my question is this, what is the likelihood of HTC having official roms of Android for some of the other current phones (IE the Kaiser, Touch, and Titan).
Just wondering if my TILT is going to be (officially) stuck with Windows Mobile for the next 2 years.....
same question i want an answer for.... i really wanna rid myself of this slooooooo wm os....
Official version put out by HTC? Doubtful.
Various cooked versions put out by the good people here at XDA? Almost certainly.
Exactly. There's no way HTC would cannibalize their success with an hipothetical Android based machine by offering this ROM for other devices.
But, of course, cooked ROMs are possible. The key factor here is hardware compatibility and drivers. If the official HTC Android ROMs are tied to some specific chipset and only have the drivers for that, you're out of luck.
Why is everyone so anti wm. I love it. There are advantages to having an os with an api so close to the desktop, ie many developers because its easy to learn.
I don't mind WM too much. Hey, we knew what we got when we bought our phones didn't we? I would like the choice of android however. Choice is always good and maybe it'll be better than what we have now. I'd say unofficial releases of Android for popular devices are likely. Just like we got unofficial WM6 releases.
As much as I think WM can be improved, i;d like to actually see and use android before I anoint it as a savior to smartphone/pda users.
Anything can look great in a controlled demo on YouTube. Let's see someone live with it for a week and then decide if its truly a replacement.
The iPhone UI, while quite impressive, still can't do half of what the WM phones can today. Yet the media love to say its the greatest thing on earth. I'm happy the iPhone Ui inspired lots of new WM development, but in the end, I still have a WM phone. And have bought to devices since the iPhone went live.
Want to run Android on Kaiser?
Check this out - running in an emulator via haret...
http://www.androidonhtc.com/kaiser/latest_builds
WinMo >>>>>> all other mobile operating systems....
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Check this out - running in an emulator via haret...
http://www.androidonhtc.com/kaiser/latest_builds
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Haret is not an emulator, it´s a bootloader. WM shuts down when you boot Android with Haret.
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Will both these devices be running on WM 6.5 out of the box or just the Firestone?
I ask because I have seen conflicting reports on this.
I am told that even if the Touch Pro doesn't come with 6.5 it will be offered as an upgrade by HTC as soon as 6.5 is available?
I never got a Touch HD in the end or X1 because I saw 6.5 was on the way & thought I would wait for that & if I am going to get a HTC device I want to know 6.5 will be in the equation.
Your information is correct. If 6.5 comes out before the new phone, the phone will contain 6.5. If the new phone comes out first then it will contain 6.1 and an upgrade will be available.
While I have yet to see a definitive list, the general concensus is the phones that were released in the last year or so Raphael, Diamond , Blackstone, et.al, will have an upgrade to 6.5 available from HTC, the older Touchs, Kaiser, Titan Mogul, will not have 6.5 updates avaiable.
But around here does it really matter what HTC or the carriers choose to make available ?
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Your information is correct. If 6.5 comes out before the new phone, the phone will contain 6.5. If the new phone comes out first then it will contain 6.1 and an upgrade will be available.
While I have yet to see a definitive list, the general concensus is the phones that were released in the last year or so Raphael, Diamond , Blackstone, et.al, will have an upgrade to 6.5 available from HTC, the older Touchs, Kaiser, Titan Mogul, will not have 6.5 updates avaiable.
But around here does it really matter what HTC or the carriers choose to make available ?
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That's interesting to hear as I thought they weren't going to offer 6.5 for devices such as the Touch HD. Be interesting to see if 6.1 and 6.5 devices released in 2008/2009 will be able to be upgraded to WM 7.
While HTC's profits lie in selling new phones and there is no profit in supporting older phones, there is a certain PR standard that has to be maintained. I should think that to not offer an upgrade for a phone that was released less that a year ago ( Blackstone ) wouldn't sit well with many customers and potential buyers.
But as I said, around here it is a rather moot point as I was running a 6.1 rom well before 6.1 came out, and have been running 6.5 for over a month, well that is until M$ issued their cease and desist order, at which point I complied and immediately downgraded to 6.1.
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While HTC's profits lie in selling new phones and there is no profit in supporting older phones, there is a certain PR standard that has to be maintained. I should think that to not offer an upgrade for a phone that was released less that a year ago ( Blackstone ) wouldn't sit well with many customers and potential buyers.
But as I said, around here it is a rather moot point as I was running a 6.1 rom well before 6.1 came out, and have been running 6.5 for over a month, well that is until M$ issued their cease and desist order, at which point I complied and immediately downgraded to 6.1.
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We have all probable seen the pictures of how WM 6.5 differs as far as the UI is concerned by how different is it 'under-the-hood' so too speak?
December is when I can get my New Every Two Year discount. The problem is I am not that intested in any of the latest Phones. Do not want Storm 2, still not sure about Android, and the latest WM phones still have older tech inside. That HD2 looks nice but no QWERTY keyboard and not even rumored to be on Verizon. Palm Pre is tempting but I did not like the small physical keys.
I am not sure if I can wait long enough for WM7. I guess I could get the TP2 (just still not the big leap I want in tech) but then what if WM7 releases this Spring (latest rumor)? I am tempted to check out the new Android phone but not sure...
Anyone else in a similar position?
As I've posted in the X1 forum, I'm waiting for a Zune HD-type WM7 phone. My X1 will satisfy me until then.
Hi guys.
am not sure if this is the right place to ask or not but there isnt a section for it as yet so asking here only.
I really liked the specs of the upcoming HTC Leo, and might wana buy it in christmas.
but there is one thing i want to know is that being such an advanced device with 1ghz processor, 320mb ram, capacitative 4.3" screen, is it ready for a WM7 update?
any idea on that?
and if its not and MS want a much stronger device then is MS trying to bring WM7 to netbooks or what? cause anything more that HTC Leo is not going to be a CelPhone Device.
IF someone knows anything then do clear this plz.
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Hi guys.
am not sure if this is the right place to ask or not but there isnt a section for it as yet so asking here only.
I really liked the specs of the upcoming HTC Leo, and might wana buy it in christmas.
but there is one thing i want to know is that being such an advanced device with 1ghz processor, 320mb ram, capacitative 4.3" screen, is it ready for a WM7 update?
any idea on that?
and if its not and MS want a much stronger device then is MS trying to bring WM7 to netbooks or what? cause anything more that HTC Leo is not going to be a CelPhone Device.
IF someone knows anything then do clear this plz.
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I think the Leo will support the upgrade to WM 7, there are plenty of web pages which talk about it, for example i read this one: http://www.gsmdome.com/htc/htc-leo-supports-windows-mobile-7-upgrade-first_9955
am really glad 2read dat. i hope dat its true.
Despite the hardware, don't expect any OS or Manila upgrades for HTC devices as long as they are not officially announced as from the release. I reckon that HTC will not provide any CE7 upgrade for the HTC Leo - that's typical HTC support, you'll see - that's also the experience from the Diamond and Blackstone devices with regards to WM6.5. Of course, there will be CE7 ROMs which can be flashed on an unofficial basis.
Georgeous2008, WM7/CE7 can't just be "ported" to current WM6/CE5 devices, so don't claim that for sure. I heard the whole kernel and driver structures are different. The only chance of backporting WM7 is if a device with (almost) exactly the same hardware gets released with WM7.
Specs say there will be a WM7 upgrade. They meet all the requirements of WM7, including things that don't really make sense in WM6.5, such as the digital compass and the capacitive screen. Neither are extensively supported in WM6.5, but are requirements for WM7.
That does't guarantee that HTC will provide a WM7 upgrade, of course.
basically, it has sufficient hardware specs, but it is unlikely that HTC will provide an update like with the td2 and tpro 2 with winmo 6.5
But there MAY be a chance of you being able to flash it IF ROMs can be created but nothing can be said as of yet
having a mammoth device like leo and using it for wm6.5 aint full justice to the power it has. and it'llbe poor strategy to bring leo but without the option of wm7. hope htc does hv plans. cause i believe leo's power is for wm7 only.
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Georgeous2008, WM7/CE7 can't just be "ported" to current WM6/CE5 devices, so don't claim that for sure. I heard the whole kernel and driver structures are different. The only chance of backporting WM7 is if a device with (almost) exactly the same hardware gets released with WM7.
Specs say there will be a WM7 upgrade. They meet all the requirements of WM7, including things that don't really make sense in WM6.5, such as the digital compass and the capacitive screen. Neither are extensively supported in WM6.5, but are requirements for WM7.
That does't guarantee that HTC will provide a WM7 upgrade, of course.
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All it really needs is someone from HTC to write a compatible Kernel for the specific device. It really doesn't mean the hardware has to be exactly the same on every device, it just means HTC has to consider it a time-worthy idea. Although at this point, I'm not thinking it's going to happen. We still have a 6.5.1 release on its way, and who knows when Microsoft will release WM7.
To be perfectly honest, I think it was a mistake for Microsoft to invest all of this time and money into the WM6.5 half a*s OS. They should have just went straight to WM7.
Basically, to sum up and put it in perspective, you prolly won't find out too much accurate information about running and OS that hasn't been released to anyone on a device that hasn't been released...
So as a fellow sprint customer and having the TP2, we all have been waiting when they will be will release Win Mo 6.5 and they keep pushing the date and pushing the date. Well i have a friend who has the Tp2 for T Mobile and that phone has Win Mo 6.5 features and its especially different then my Sprint TP2. Well about a week ago for about a sec i pressed the start menu on the top right corner and instead of it going straight to the programs menu it gave a the feature that seen Win Mo 6.5 Tp2 phones have and was wondering if anyone will know if i possibly have the update or do you think that it was some sort of test cause IDK? Any information will help
You wont have 6.5 until you download the updated ROM, when released, to your computer and flash the phone. It isnt going to magically show up in the phone.
^^ agreed!
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Jason85 said:
You wont have 6.5 until you download the updated ROM, when released, to your computer and flash the phone. It isnt going to magically show up in the phone.
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None of which would stop you from putting any number of WinMo 6.5 roms on your phone right now. Flashing the TP2 is not rocket science and there are very stable 6.5 roms out...or questionably stable 6.5.3 roms if you're feeling adventurous.
Has anyone from the States tried the Win Mo 6.5 upgrade from HTC's site and had success with it from any carrier?
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Has anyone from the States tried the Win Mo 6.5 upgrade from HTC's site and had success with it from any carrier?
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what upgrade from HTC's site??? what phone is it for???
Rhodium I think, but that's for the GSM version of the phone. You might brick the CDMA version of it.
Sprint TP2 > 6.5 Update
While Microsoft recently estimated a Sprint Touch Pro2 update to 6.5/x was due February 2010, that has changed.
The MS Mobile site was updated yesterday and it now reads:
Touch Pro 2 HTC Sprint Date not yet available
I was hoping to avoid flashing (with the native HTC Messaging issues), I'm more than disappointed to have the ETA changed.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news ~
boooooo
yeah this delay kind of sucks. I hope sprint somehow pushes out a unique new 6.5 rom that's better than vzw and at&t's.
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yeah this delay kind of sucks. I hope sprint somehow pushes out a unique new 6.5 rom that's better than vzw and at&t's.
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We can only hope, but I doubt it.
The day that 6.5 came out on October 22 I was checking my phone every hour trying to get my update to 6.5 not knowing that it wasn't going to be released. Oddly enough I DID get an upgrade notice, but when I went to install it I got an installation failed message. The Orange 6.5 logo popped up and everything. I was so mad when I found I wasn't going to be getting my upgrade anytime soon.
I mean I bought the Touch Pro 2 for two reasons, its keyboard and its upgrade to 6.5; so far I feel like I'm being half ass'd by Sprint and HTC.
The thing that REALLY gets me is not just that I am still waiting for the 6.5 upgrade but how much longer am I going to have to wait in order to get a 6.5.3 upgrade!? I mean forget about the possibility of a 6.6 next month, I still am waiting for 6.5! It is total bull! The only thing that keeps me satisfied is the fact that I pay $20 less a month than other carriers for a similar plan.
I'd go down to my Sprint store and complain in the hopes of getting some money back on my phone but customer service is so dead these days it would be in vein.
The only thing I am NOT looking forward to in 6.5 is the calendar app for Titanium. I love my Touchflo 3D but once I upgrade I'm going to turning it off to save some battery life. Decisions Decision, one day I'll be able to make them. :|
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I have an inside scoope from the local corporate store and the techs there are telling me in February 2010 they are realising the updated rom of Windows Mobile 7 for the sprint touch pro 2.
i dont know anymore about it I was trying to find out what extras if any are different than what we have.
zxhwk said:
I have an inside scoope from the local corporate store and the techs there are telling me in February 2010 they are realising the updated rom of Windows Mobile 7 for the sprint touch pro 2.
i dont know anymore about it I was trying to find out what extras if any are different than what we have.
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lol im sure you mean windows mobile 6.5 not even the betas of wm7 are near...
mbg19 said:
lol im sure you mean windows mobile 6.5 not even the betas of wm7 are near...
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lol...In addition to not even having WM7 betas (I bet they're not even at a full-on alpha stage), it's already known that the only [HTC] device that can support the official WM7 ROM is the HD2 due to its capacitive screen and 1Ghz CPU.
I do have a friend who works more in the corporate IT side of things at Sprint. He was the sole reason I stayed with Sprint and got my TP2 instead of moving on. What he told me he was able to find out is that Sprint is still working on enhancments to teh WinMo6.5 platform and it may acutally truly be the 6.5.3 version they have. Even he was getting mixed info and he works in the ifrastructure of the IT area.
But with all the other things that Sprint offers on their units like the NFL, Sprint Cup, enhancements to implement 4g, etc, etc, they are making certain it is as reliable as possible before releasing it. Since they've had such a black eye over the last few years due to Customer Service issues and such, they are trying to do the right thing and not tick off alot of customers by ruining their phones with an update. they have been watching the other companies that hav rolled out releases and essentially using them as beta testers.
Hopefully, when the new release comes out, everyone will think ( or at least a majority will) that it was worth the wait.
I do have a friend who works more in the corporate IT side of things at Sprint. He was the sole reason I stayed with Sprint and got my TP2 instead of moving on. What he told me he was able to find out is that Sprint is still working on enhancements to the WinMo6.5 platform and it may acutally truly be the 6.5.3 version they have. Even he was getting mixed info and he works in the infrastructure of the IT area.
But with all the other things that Sprint offers on their units like the NFL, Sprint Cup, enhancements to implement 4g, etc, etc, they are making certain it is as reliable as possible before releasing it. Since they've had such a black eye over the last few years due to Customer Service issues and such, they are trying to do the right thing and not tick off alot of customers by ruining their phones with an update. they have been watching the other companies that have rolled out releases and essentially using them as beta testers.
Hopefully, when the new release comes out, everyone will think ( or at least a majority will) that it was worth the wait.
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I have an inside scoope from the local corporate store and the techs there are telling me in February 2010 they are realising the updated rom of Windows Mobile 7 for the sprint touch pro 2.
i dont know anymore about it I was trying to find out what extras if any are different than what we have.
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The amount of smiley faces in this post made me disregard it faster than the improper and possibly misinformed reference to Windows Mobile 6.5 as 7.
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I do have a friend who works more in the corporate IT side of things at Sprint. He was the sole reason I stayed with Sprint and got my TP2 instead of moving on. What he told me he was able to find out is that Sprint is still working on enhancments to teh WinMo6.5 platform and it may acutally truly be the 6.5.3 version they have. Even he was getting mixed info and he works in the ifrastructure of the IT area.
But with all the other things that Sprint offers on their units like the NFL, Sprint Cup, enhancements to implement 4g, etc, etc, they are making certain it is as reliable as possible before releasing it. Since they've had such a black eye over the last few years due to Customer Service issues and such, they are trying to do the right thing and not tick off alot of customers by ruining their phones with an update. they have been watching the other companies that hav rolled out releases and essentially using them as beta testers.
Hopefully, when the new release comes out, everyone will think ( or at least a majority will) that it was worth the wait.
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If this is the truth I'd be very pleased. We are four months into Windows Mobile 6.5 and none of us 'normal folk' have heard a peep out of Sprint about anything close to an upgrade other than a vague "Quarter 1". The way this is going I might have to start asking the question if they mean Q1 of 2010 or 2011?
All I can say is that IF when we do finally get 6.5 and it is 6.5.3 I'd be 100% satisfied with the wait I endured. I want my repositioned start button!!!
Why can AT&T, Verizon & T-Mobile get the WM6.5 update for the TP2 much earlier than Sprint? I hope the wait gives us 6.5.3 vs 6.5. I would rather have 6.5 now, vs waiting for 6.5.3 for another two months. I must use a carrier supplied released for my business.
The sprint site clearly states that 6.5 is comming in the first qtr of 2010... not 7.0
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I'm a Sprint employee and can confirm that the release date will be sometime this month (Feb. 2010). My rep didn't have any details of 6.5 or 6.5.3, but did promise a release this month.
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it's already known that the only [HTC] device that can support the official WM7 ROM is the HD2 due to its capacitive screen and 1Ghz CPU.
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it is not already known. there never was any official statements from htc or microsoft. there are also no full wm7 specs published.