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Well we all know the wizard runs quite slow but ive been using Omapclock, trouble is that it seems to reset it self all the time (im sure this has been brought up before)
so is there any way to keep it running at 240Mhz or is there another app that will do it better ?

Try Battery Status, It will also overclock to higher speeds.

try the new wm6 roms, xmr63, octavios or NBD, they dont need overclocking, because they are already fast

im running the NBD rom at the mo but i still find it slightly slow at times, when i use the omap clock app it speeds it up a lot.
@synseer
Any links for this app ? sounds good

Battery Status is the best

nbd is also slow for me, try octavios 4.2, whiterats, or the new xmr63

yep that works great use at about 312 works for me on my old wizard but bepending on rom

Cool thanks alot folks.
312 sounds a bit scary lol, 240 on Omapclock worked great though.

Speed comparision between cooked ROMs (29/11/07 Re-tested with Spb Benchmark!)

1st TEST:
This is the result about the speed between 4 ROMs: Helmi_C (Clean+Bigstorage), Sleuth V1.1, XDA-Live 1.1 and Dutty SupaLite Beta. All have been installed the same programs.
The benchmark has been done by SKTools with 3 Kaiser devices! I took the average benchmark.
For your information!
2nd TEST:
As promised, I have just tested 4 ROMs with Spb Benchmark. The result is very clear and detail (pic 2, 3, 4, 5). All ROMs have not been installed with any soft except Spb Benchmark and SOTI Pocket Controller.
3th TEST:
Pic 6 is the result of CUSTEL v1.0!

wow, thanks for the work! That's good stuff to know.
I'd have thought that Dutty's was the fastest, but doesnt look to be so. With those numbers I'd say you'll never "see" a difference though.

Nice job man. There a a ton of people always asking that question. This should be a sticky.
Later, Lew

Could you elaborate a bit on the meaning of the numbers

SPB Benchmark would give you a more in depth comparison.

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SPB Benchmark would give you a more in depth comparison.
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Thanks for your suggestion! I will try and report soon!

nugift said:
This is the result about the speed between 4 ROMs: Helmi_C (Clean+Bigstorage), Sleuth V1.1, XDA-Live 1.1 and Dutty SupaLite Beta. All have been installed the same programs.
The benchmark has been done by SKTools with 3 Kaiser devices! I took the average benchmark.
For your information!
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The numbers are within the statistic difference and I don't believe it is perceivable in real life operation. In other words, they are all about the same. But each ROM comes with different features. I hope the stability of each ROM are about the same. Stability is the most important factor. I have had machine hung on me during the most critical moment.

jychan28 said:
The numbers are within the statistic difference and I don't believe it is perceivable in real life operation. In other words, they are all about the same. But each ROM comes with different features. I hope the stability of each ROM are about the same. Stability is the most important factor. I have had machine hung on me during the most critical moment.
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Agreed that those numbers could not show the real performance of each ROM. But I do not think that the stability is the same in those ROMs.
As per CUSTEL' suggestion, I am testing those ROMs with Spb Benchmark. The result seems to be different that the one from SKTools! We all can see the result tonight!

i'd have to say, when i was using kyphur's XDA LIVE, it was the snappiest among all, only it was designed for non video call device enabled

jakontil said:
i'd have to say, when i was using kyphur's XDA LIVE, it was the snappiest among all, only it was designed for non video call device enabled
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It was very difficult to say. I strolled around a phone store and saw a TyTN II and started playing with it. Wow, it was very fast and I was impressed. It was flashed with a CHS ROM. I offer to pay them to sell me a copy of the ROM. However, the machine hang a couple of times during my playing with it. Well that is without tons of other stuff installed and I really didn't think its stability is there yet. So much for my excitement, but it does show the machine can be fast if someone know what to tweak.

Thanks for this thread I realise I messed up somewhere in my performance tweaks.
Can someone do another tests on my Touchflo final Rom 2 which is uploading now and also my SupaLite beta 2 which I'm uploading a fixed version soon. I found out my Rom should be faster thank you guys for putting this tests out, enabling me to found out that I did something wrong in my performance tweaks and now the toucFlo Final rom which is uploading is much faster now even with more Program memory

i have try all roms for kaizer and i agree that helmi_c's roms are still the faster and better roms till now
i use the helmi_c clean rom and is far away the best!!
another very good rom is sleuth's 1.1!this rom is too very fast and stable and with all htc official stuff in
both,helmi_c and sleuth,are a step infront all the others at this moment

duttythroy said:
Thanks for this thread I realise I messed up somewhere in my performance tweaks.
Cand now the toucFlo Final rom which is uploading is much faster now even with more Program memory
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we'll give it a shot dutty keep walking my friend

zaharakis said:
we'll give it a shot dutty keep walking my friend
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thanks friend you will be in for a surprise The Final rom which is uploading now is much faster than my supaLite Rom, just fixing the SupaLite beta 2 now

I think SPEED is second to Stability.... I think a fair test should also have ROM stability measures. i.e. crashes, connectivity, call drops, program load, display and presentation, programs, battery Life, and reception.

asfoor said:
I think SPEED is second to Stability.... I think a fair test should also have ROM stability measures. i.e. crashes, connectivity, call drops, program load, display and presentation, programs, battery Life, and reception.
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TOTALLY AGRRE with that thats why I try to balance this with all my roms .

asfoor said:
I think SPEED is second to Stability.... I think a fair test should also have ROM stability measures. i.e. crashes, connectivity, call drops, program load, display and presentation, programs, battery Life, and reception.
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i agree with you my friend.the most wanted in cooking is both,stability and speed!! but those 2 are oposite to battery life

The best rom that worked for me is Rom Version 1.57.502.2 ,Pr version 22.45.88.07H i got it from one of these form, its very stable, very fast and it was cooked. so try finding this one and get it for tilt, its just remove all the junk leave you with lots of free space and you upload the sotware you want, bye. oh radio version 1.27.12.11

The 'famous' ROMs (Helmi_C Bigstorage, Dutty SupaLite Beta 1, Sleuth 1.1, XDA-Live 1.1) have been re-tested with Spb Benchmark.
The result can be seen at the 1st post!

nugift said:
The 'famous' ROMs (Helmi_C Bigstorage, Dutty SupaLite Beta 1, Sleuth 1.1, XDA-Live 1.1) have been re-tested with Spb Benchmark.
The result can be seen at the 1st post!
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how about a test with CUSTEL v1.0?

Touch Pro Slooooooow Problems. PLEASE HELP!

I have an HTC Touch Pro with a 8gb storage card. I need to know why its running so slow it is so sluggish I want to kill myself lmao. I did the Advanced Config stuff. Does anyone have a good complete list of tweaks for the touch pro to speed this thing up and keep the damn battery from dying so much.
It's Sprint btw.

You should report more detailed information... Your case is definitely subjective no one will take the trouble to concentrate based on your info

I have the touch pro for sprint, this helped out a lot with the battery, and also provided a noticeable performance increase.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44583

lJesterl said:
I have an HTC Touch Pro with a 8gb storage card. I need to know why its running so slow it is so sluggish I want to kill myself lmao. I did the Advanced Config stuff. Does anyone have a good complete list of tweaks for the touch pro to speed this thing up and keep the damn battery from dying so much.
It's Sprint btw.
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You mean like the very first sticky on this page that says "Raphael Tweaks"?

Fast rom please :)

Hi Everyone
I have a P4350 and i want a fast and beautiful rom could you help me please?if be touch-flo it's very good ;
FASTER AND FASTER AND FASTER ROM PLEASE

Why not give my TribU2U Roms a try.

Why not give my TribU2U Roms a try.
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Thanks I download it ,it's very good but it's not very fast

The problem with all WM6.5 roms is that they run out of memory pretty soon. This restricts speed and ability to multitask.
I mean I have not used the new IE for browsing at all, coz I cant. And when I look at task manager - I only have Activesync, Outlook and Contact Manager open.
I know there are background processes and perhaps Phone is the worse culprit with memory leaks ... but the 6.1 ROMS run much better.
I used the FingerMe series, Tribu series, Simply Everything, Gardeners and this morning, reflashed to JustStable V4.

peter.aviano said:
The problem with all WM6.5 roms is that they run out of memory pretty soon. This restricts speed and ability to multitask.
I mean I have not used the new IE for browsing at all, coz I cant. And when I look at task manager - I only have Activesync, Outlook and Contact Manager open.
I know there are background processes and perhaps Phone is the worse culprit with memory leaks ... but the 6.1 ROMS run much better.
I used the FingerMe series, Tribu series, Simply Everything, Gardeners and this morning, reflashed to JustStable V4.
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Thanks Dear Peter , Could you please give me the best link of wm for p4350(your suggestion )???

True, we are doing the best we can with what we've got. If you're looking for a fast operating software then you have the wrong device. It's not whose OS you have on your device - but which device you have..
If you want fast you need a phone that has a larger bank of memory for programs, not so much storage ram. Then you can change the page-pool for that device to a higher level. You see my TribU2U ROMs are all using 3mb page-pool; it increases the program memory by 5mb. But the downside is it decreases the actual usage speed.
So like I said, if you're looking for speed, you're gonna need to use a different phone, because the Wing/Herald is a very limited in resources.
Especially if you're looking to use TouchFLO - The Wing/Herald devices were not meant for it - They were not even meant for WM6.5. So you're right in saying a WM6.1 ROM would be better for the device.
If you scroll down to the third post in my TribU2U thread you will see that I have made my ROM in all the COMs out there including WM6.1. And they have TouchFLO.
Remember one thing, when you are running more than one process in a Wing/Herald to disable TouchFLO in Settings/HOME >> Items screen. This will give you more memory and speed to work with.
Cheers,
Trib.

Tribulattifather said:
True, we are doing the best we can with what we've got. If you're looking for a fast operating software then you have the wrong device. It's not whose OS you have on your device - but which device you have..
If you want fast you need a phone that has a larger bank of memory for programs, not so much storage ram. Then you can change the page-pool for that device to a higher level. You see my TribU2U ROMs are all using 3mb page-pool; it increases the program memory by 5mb. But the downside is it decreases the actual usage speed.
So like I said, if you're looking for speed, you're gonna need to use a different phone, because the Wing/Herald is a very limited in resources.
Especially if you're looking to use TouchFLO - The Wing/Herald devices were not meant for it - They were not even meant for WM6.5. So you're right in saying a WM6.1 ROM would be better for the device.
If you scroll down to the third post in my TribU2U thread you will see that I have made my ROM in all the COMs out there including WM6.1. And they have TouchFLO.
Remember one thing, when you are running more than one process in a Wing/Herald to disable TouchFLO in Settings/HOME >> Items screen. This will give you more memory and speed to work with.
Cheers,
Trib.
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Dear Trib Thank you very much indeed , yes my device is very old and as i last post your OS is pretty good , if I perturb you ; I apologize to you
Thanks

Tribulattifather said:
So like I said, if you're looking for speed, you're gonna need to use a different phone, because the Wing/Herald is a very limited in resources.
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Trib - most certainly agree with you here. Its not that any of the WM 6.5 are bad. In fact, they are awesome given that you cooks managed to get them running on 64MB Ram, its the RAM is the limiting factor.
WM6.5 is really pushing the Wings resources and again, its great that you have managed a decent stable ROM.
Pete

mm2236 said:
Thanks Dear Peter , Could you please give me the best link of wm for p4350(your suggestion )???
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Try v4 from here http://thewingster.com/juststable.aspx
Most stable ROM in my opinion. Lots of Storage and RAM.
Overclock it wee bit and extremely fast too. Feels like a completely different phone

peter.aviano said:
Try v4 from here http://thewingster.com/juststable.aspx
Most stable ROM in my opinion. Lots of Storage and RAM.
Overclock it wee bit and extremely fast too. Feels like a completely different phone
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Dear Peter Thanks a lot...

I'm using Aserg's rom which is 6.1. I have spb shell on top which gives it a nice finger friendly feel. I have on average 15 megs of free program ram. It is really fast stable and responsive.

Exodusoffg said:
I'm using Aserg's rom which is 6.1. I have spb shell on top which gives it a nice finger friendly feel. I have on average 15 megs of free program ram. It is really fast stable and responsive.
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Hi Exodusoffg - Aserg's has the most beautiful ROM in my opinion. Used it for the majority of the time on my wing. I used to flash opentouch and the other popular ROMS back then and continue to return back to Aserg's because for some reason, the speed and functionality just clicked.
I wish he had continued cooking for Wing/Herald.

Cleaning the forum. This is not development related. Thread closed.

NOOB question: overclocking, Mhz, JIT

hey guys,
looking to make the jump to 2.1 rom (most probably htcclay). but ive been looking at alot of different threads and i'm seeing a lot of comments regarding overclocking, setcpu, 528Mhz, 710Mhz, and JIT.
I'm trying to make sense of it all and want to know how to understand it properly. can anyone help? or point me in the right direction with a link explaining stuff?
im currently using a 32A magic with the old radio =)

Noob tries to help noob:
MHz refers to the frequency of the CPU. This reflects the speed at which operations are executed on an overall level. The original HTC Magic ROM was around 312 MHz if I remember correctly (which was in fact underclocked). Then the threshold was pushed to original frequency (around 512 MHz).
However, the frequenzy is not fix but rather adaptive in a range (speed stepping). If an application requires CPU time, the frequency goes up to those values indicated in the paragraph above. When the processor is idle however, frequency goes done to somewhere around 200MHz to save power (as higher MHz consumes more power).
Therefore 710 MHz reflects the upper limit of the range and is beyond the factory 512 MHz. Thus you gain roughly 30% peak performance.
JIT: Just In Time compilation. Another way to compile the Java code . This methode is introduced by replacing a library in the system and available in ROMs >= Android 1.6 . The performance gain is said around 30% but... I don't now whether this affects only apps or the overall system.
Hope this helps (probably not all numbers given are correct, but the concept should be).
Romwise I stick with Sanpei's Eris port. Not overclocked but smooth and good for everyday live

thanks for that dude! that makes a hell of a lot more sense to me =)
i popped the htcclay 2.1 rom from for 32A on last night and its working a charm. i set the frequency to max 528MHz, and min 245Mhz.
Is there any recommended settings to optimize the battery life so you can use it as an everyday rom? I grown quite fond of android 2.1, and the launcherpro beta is SO fast.
i know the whole idea of SetCPU is to customise whats right for you, but because I'm knew to all this I just need some direction as to what the best general settings are

Yes the non-sense 2.1 ROMs are speed wise amazing. I missed the HTC dialer though. I like to be able to type names on the keypad which is - to my knowledge - not possible on standard dialer. Also the HTC calendar app is a thing I havily rely on and the 2.1 Andorid Calendar is simply crap in comparison. That's why I stick with Sense ROMs.
However, speaking of overclocking. There is now clear rule. To factors affect your choice: your phone usage pattern, the individual quality of your hardware.
Hardware Quality: Processors and boards are guaranteed to operate flawless in a certain frequency range. Most processors can handle more that guaranteed (because there is a safety margin introduced by the factory) . However, how much more the processory can actually handle (before it starts to throw errors and faults) is rather individual.
Usage pattern meaning: if you're a havy gamer and you play ressource hungry games you will put the upper threshold as high as possible (however, you might also consider buying an XBOX which is more fun). Also if you feel that your phone response is sluggish. But, as long as you feel fine with the response of your phone, I would not go up with frequency (not for power reasons, rather stability of the OS). Go up if you feel that you need more processing power.
The lowest threshold is probably 128 MHz. I never tried that because I read of phones which would not wake up after having gone in standby. This is not dangerous (you only have to reboot) but personally I cannot afford to miss a call because of that. So I stick above 200.
Regards,
F

well in regards to my usage pattern, i dont play any games on my phone at all. for the reason being i dont want it to consume battery on the handset.
i dont even use it much for calls. i do a LOT of sms, facebook, youtube, emails, and some widgets which requires data usage. so what would u recommend for something like this? i want the rom to be zippy, not sluggish, but not drain the battery too fast?
and how do i know which operations/apps require CPU time?
no doubt about sense-ui is amazing! im even thinking of getting a htc desire soon, or just seeing what else is coming out soon. which model of phone are u using the sanpei eris port??

32A, New Radio. Use Radio Switcher from eyegor: Sticky Post. Works like charm but be careful and read the instructions (or you might end up buying a desire sooner than you intended to). I am usind a partitioned SD with EXT 3 System for apps2SD and a cache partition. SD can be formatted this way from Recovery.
I think Sanpei's Eris is the best 2.1 compromise for the time being. However, based on your comments on how you use your phone, probably you even don't need 2.1 and are fine with 1.5. Then try this (this is also for the new Radio: use Radio Switcher)
Cursorsense's 1.5 (Most solid build I know of)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592856
Then before booting flash this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681378
Boot and fasten your seatbelt. It's not as fast as HTCClay... but its the closest experience you can get with any Sense ROM...
Regards,
F
PS: Probably there is a huge flame coming our way for off topic discussion. I guess we have to stop. Going for cover

LOL! ur help has been awesome my friend =)

LOL! ur help has been awesome my friend =)

I would recommend you use cyanogenmod 5 if you want stability
sense roms cannot compare to AOSP roms for stability because they are a proprietary framework which cannot be updated unless htc releases a new version
and CM 5 is the fastest eclair rom I have tried - faster than even donut roms

i wouldnt go with 1.5....there are to many apps/widgets that wont run...
i would recommend cyan's latest 1.6 rom, 4.2.15.1 .. stable (better than stock roms), fast and has great battery life...
if you must get 2.1 then go for cyan's latest 5.0.7 test6 2.1 rom, or sanpei's if you must really want sense...
i run cyan's latest 2.1 rom and its stable as hell, as fast as his 1.6 rom, rock solid and great battery life..
ultimately its your choice.. i would stay away from JIT though, to unstable...

feicher said:
Yes the non-sense 2.1 ROMs are speed wise amazing. I missed the HTC dialer though. I like to be able to type names on the keypad which is - to my knowledge - not possible on standard dialer.
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try DialerOne, it has the "keypad-T9" function and is free on the market
the only downside is it's really not as pretty as the sense dialer(feels a little clunky and outdated)
as far as the ROM goes, i'm using alan090's modded CM5 t5 right now, OC'd to 710MHz and with JIT enabled. best rom i've had so far, really snappy and stable. JIT seems to be very stable on my phone, i wasn't even sure i had enabled it correctly at first.. until i ran linpack and got a good 4.5 MFLOPS

I have a somewhat related question:
should i be afraid of a overclocked cpu rom heating wise? sometimes i feel my phone heating a little and i am using a default speed rom.