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In your Opinion, Which ROM Is the best, fastest, etc...

I have Used pretty much all of the major roms that are up right now. In everyones opinion, which rom is the best, taking into consideration speed, stability, free RAM, free Storage, and whatever other reasons you think it is the best. Include which rom and also version, and an explanation. Just curious to what everyone thinks. Thanks!

Why don't you start by giving your opinion?
I've only tried:
NBD 8.0 - Fastest, best TouchFlo, BT won't turn on sometimes, sometimes freezes up or only boot to splash screen
Jaguar 3.0 - Fast, stable, clean good base rom without alot of apps, problem with memory leak, high power drain when using phone, phone lockups
XDA WM6 r2a - Faster, most stable, some extra apps maybe too much, small memory leak, experienced some application startup freezes

See No Evil V2.0q
seems to be fastest and most stable in my opinion. It's simple

crossbow reloaded 1.71, still in beta but fast, good barrey life and a very small memory leak.

im using NBD 8.1 (plain crossbow mode as i dont like gui bells and whistles which slows down my wizard) and no wonder its the fastest and most stable of all.

WRCX 3
-stable,
-enough memory
-quick
-the most modern OS
-no problems with slow start or occasional freeze during soft reset as I had in past with some other ROMs
-it is from the man who actually did the port, it is not just rerelease of another ROM with a few applications/settings changed (as many other ROMs)
Actually I used in past "faria real thing", several versions of "crossbow reloaded", XDA Mobile, Pandora 3.2, WRCX 3.
Every change was for better (with exception of one "crossbow reloaded" version, where mfrazz overdid compression and it froze occasionaly - I had to reflash that rather quickly).
Mirek

SND 2q and WRCX 1 are best my opinion.stable,a lot of ram and fast...cheers

Anyone else think the Kaiser is too slow?

Hi all,
I'm wondering how many other people dislike the speed of the Kaiser. I've tried all the roms on here, and in my eyes it just doesn't seem to be as fast as it should be; the hardware is a big jump over the Wizard, and the Touch, and yet this sometimes feels like it's the same speed.
I tend to think my Hermes ran better than my Kaiser, albeit without the built in GPS.
Am I alone on this? Does anyone have any helpful tips (beyond running all the performance settings up in Advanced Config, or similar). I'm talking about freezing during use, missing keys when typing emails or messages, lagging in IE, and slowness switching apps.

you can increase the speed by upping the cache. I think the advanced editing app will allow you to do this. kaiser is fast...after tweaks.

My opinion, but my Tilt -- with a stock ROM -- blows the doors off my old TyTN -- even when it was completely tweaked out.
Of course YMMV...

with Dutty Hybrid rom no 4 it's fast.... I'm pretty pleased with the performance compared to any other rom.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342500

Faster than TyTN for sure. There's one more tweak I need to check out though....

Sleuth255 said:
Faster than TyTN for sure. There's one more tweak I need to check out though....
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Would be nice if you could list your tweaks here. Thanks!

Oh yes, I am disappointed about its graphical speed, but we all know this is due to the fact that HTC didn't make any driver for the integrated 2d/3d accelerator.
For the rest, browsing the web and other uses, I think the speed is OK (but not exceptional) once you have used the tweak utility you can find here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333898
download the utility, run it on your Kaiser, and modify all the "cache" parameters.

coming from a wizard...this is super fast. Wait til we are able to change page pools.

Sleuth255 said:
Faster than TyTN for sure. There's one more tweak I need to check out though....
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One more tweak?? You mean beyond your speedoptimizer cab? Do tell!
My Kaiser is definately faster than my 8525, no question.

Speed comparision between cooked ROMs (29/11/07 Re-tested with Spb Benchmark!)

1st TEST:
This is the result about the speed between 4 ROMs: Helmi_C (Clean+Bigstorage), Sleuth V1.1, XDA-Live 1.1 and Dutty SupaLite Beta. All have been installed the same programs.
The benchmark has been done by SKTools with 3 Kaiser devices! I took the average benchmark.
For your information!
2nd TEST:
As promised, I have just tested 4 ROMs with Spb Benchmark. The result is very clear and detail (pic 2, 3, 4, 5). All ROMs have not been installed with any soft except Spb Benchmark and SOTI Pocket Controller.
3th TEST:
Pic 6 is the result of CUSTEL v1.0!

wow, thanks for the work! That's good stuff to know.
I'd have thought that Dutty's was the fastest, but doesnt look to be so. With those numbers I'd say you'll never "see" a difference though.

Nice job man. There a a ton of people always asking that question. This should be a sticky.
Later, Lew

Could you elaborate a bit on the meaning of the numbers

SPB Benchmark would give you a more in depth comparison.

CUSTEL said:
SPB Benchmark would give you a more in depth comparison.
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Thanks for your suggestion! I will try and report soon!

nugift said:
This is the result about the speed between 4 ROMs: Helmi_C (Clean+Bigstorage), Sleuth V1.1, XDA-Live 1.1 and Dutty SupaLite Beta. All have been installed the same programs.
The benchmark has been done by SKTools with 3 Kaiser devices! I took the average benchmark.
For your information!
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The numbers are within the statistic difference and I don't believe it is perceivable in real life operation. In other words, they are all about the same. But each ROM comes with different features. I hope the stability of each ROM are about the same. Stability is the most important factor. I have had machine hung on me during the most critical moment.

jychan28 said:
The numbers are within the statistic difference and I don't believe it is perceivable in real life operation. In other words, they are all about the same. But each ROM comes with different features. I hope the stability of each ROM are about the same. Stability is the most important factor. I have had machine hung on me during the most critical moment.
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Agreed that those numbers could not show the real performance of each ROM. But I do not think that the stability is the same in those ROMs.
As per CUSTEL' suggestion, I am testing those ROMs with Spb Benchmark. The result seems to be different that the one from SKTools! We all can see the result tonight!

i'd have to say, when i was using kyphur's XDA LIVE, it was the snappiest among all, only it was designed for non video call device enabled

jakontil said:
i'd have to say, when i was using kyphur's XDA LIVE, it was the snappiest among all, only it was designed for non video call device enabled
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It was very difficult to say. I strolled around a phone store and saw a TyTN II and started playing with it. Wow, it was very fast and I was impressed. It was flashed with a CHS ROM. I offer to pay them to sell me a copy of the ROM. However, the machine hang a couple of times during my playing with it. Well that is without tons of other stuff installed and I really didn't think its stability is there yet. So much for my excitement, but it does show the machine can be fast if someone know what to tweak.

Thanks for this thread I realise I messed up somewhere in my performance tweaks.
Can someone do another tests on my Touchflo final Rom 2 which is uploading now and also my SupaLite beta 2 which I'm uploading a fixed version soon. I found out my Rom should be faster thank you guys for putting this tests out, enabling me to found out that I did something wrong in my performance tweaks and now the toucFlo Final rom which is uploading is much faster now even with more Program memory

i have try all roms for kaizer and i agree that helmi_c's roms are still the faster and better roms till now
i use the helmi_c clean rom and is far away the best!!
another very good rom is sleuth's 1.1!this rom is too very fast and stable and with all htc official stuff in
both,helmi_c and sleuth,are a step infront all the others at this moment

duttythroy said:
Thanks for this thread I realise I messed up somewhere in my performance tweaks.
Cand now the toucFlo Final rom which is uploading is much faster now even with more Program memory
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we'll give it a shot dutty keep walking my friend

zaharakis said:
we'll give it a shot dutty keep walking my friend
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thanks friend you will be in for a surprise The Final rom which is uploading now is much faster than my supaLite Rom, just fixing the SupaLite beta 2 now

I think SPEED is second to Stability.... I think a fair test should also have ROM stability measures. i.e. crashes, connectivity, call drops, program load, display and presentation, programs, battery Life, and reception.

asfoor said:
I think SPEED is second to Stability.... I think a fair test should also have ROM stability measures. i.e. crashes, connectivity, call drops, program load, display and presentation, programs, battery Life, and reception.
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TOTALLY AGRRE with that thats why I try to balance this with all my roms .

asfoor said:
I think SPEED is second to Stability.... I think a fair test should also have ROM stability measures. i.e. crashes, connectivity, call drops, program load, display and presentation, programs, battery Life, and reception.
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i agree with you my friend.the most wanted in cooking is both,stability and speed!! but those 2 are oposite to battery life

The best rom that worked for me is Rom Version 1.57.502.2 ,Pr version 22.45.88.07H i got it from one of these form, its very stable, very fast and it was cooked. so try finding this one and get it for tilt, its just remove all the junk leave you with lots of free space and you upload the sotware you want, bye. oh radio version 1.27.12.11

The 'famous' ROMs (Helmi_C Bigstorage, Dutty SupaLite Beta 1, Sleuth 1.1, XDA-Live 1.1) have been re-tested with Spb Benchmark.
The result can be seen at the 1st post!

nugift said:
The 'famous' ROMs (Helmi_C Bigstorage, Dutty SupaLite Beta 1, Sleuth 1.1, XDA-Live 1.1) have been re-tested with Spb Benchmark.
The result can be seen at the 1st post!
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how about a test with CUSTEL v1.0?

setcpu testing

I must of spent hr and hrs trying roms to find the easiest and fastest roms out there. But when you find one that flows nicely and without fc's. How to test which one is faster. I downloaded setcpu and tried to understand it. Now after flashing a rom, I set the phone the exact way for each rom. Exept hero roms( slow) and flashy. I dont need that , my option. I did some tests using setcpu. 10 tests at 528. 384 works great for battery saving(sleep,charging) w/10mb hack.
cyanogen 4.2.14.1 fast avg .... 6.60ms
fasttest 2.3 faster avg .... 6.50ms
fasttest 2.6 fastest avg .... 6.25ms
i'm using task killer,lock,weater wiget,battery widget,setcpu,htmtouch input all ignored. task killer avg 30m
mytouch 3g
I thing this a simple way to test these new rons on who is the fastest. My option.

gadget421 said:
I think this a simple way to test these new ROMs to see which is the best, IMO.
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There are many changes you can do to get a lower or higher MS, hero roms usually have a lower MS than a donut ROM. So this isn't full proof.

Dwang 1.17.1: best 571 ms; worst 591 ms
There's no competition, this is the ROM you want if speed and stability is your thing. It's so good Dwang hasn't updated it for a while (there's nothing to improve IMHO).
P.S. this test is not 100% relevant, user experience is the ultimate test but that's hard to compare.

Its personal opinion. I personally love Super D. I stick more with his and Openeclair ROM's so yeah.
..personal opinion.

Open Eclair 1.2.2 is the fastest eclair ROM i've ever run... ever. It's as fast as CM! but it's not out to the general public yet, lol. but yeah just a heads up, grab it as soon as it's out!

Yeah OpenEclair is the best!!! for an Eclair rom

ROM performance measurement idea

Hi All Mighty Developers!
You all work hard to satisfy our needs on ROM and App developent but from our point of view (end user) there is no objective and comparable results of developed ROMs for HTC devices.
My idea is to develop a software that is capable of measuring device:
- MTBF (Mean time between failures) or between soft/hard reset
- Average and low high levels of RAM usage
- Average CPU levels, Net usage, etc.
- Device Manufacturer, Type,
- Device OS, ROM, ROM version
This is a small footprint of data which can be uploaded to a site. At server side data could be analysed and integrated into a structural view to hellp users decide to install ROM or not.
ROM developers should be allowed to register their ROM and decide weather to include the client software or not. They can maintain their ROM versions and follow its data.
Regards,
cina.

you are right. these is no objective way to measure performance of roms. the systematic benchmarks are totally usless
i think its much more useful to develop a simple application that does a messure of how long it takes to complete a set of well known tasks.
the application would for example run a script to visually start mail appication then run file explorer then create a tcalender item then change the time then copy a file to the SD card and read from it. the output would be the time it takes to do this. this should be extremely useful for rom cookers to really help them optimise their roms
anybody willing to give this a shot. it shouldnt be that complicated

That is a one shot execution of measuring performance of a software which is influenced by many factors - currently running applications, memory usage, etc.
If execution of a software needs to be measured (objectively and comparable) I think it needs to run several times - so a monitoring application should be developed which records timing of every execution and then averages results.
MTBF and the other parameters I've mentioned in post #1 also needs a monitoring method to develop. Small footprint as a service separated from the GUI which is only running during configuration, uploading result, etc.
I have a lot of ideas with this. But I'm not a PPC developer. I have some experience in desktop application development so I might help some desperate programmers with a basic specification and design if needed.

Idea is absolutely useless, imho.
Too many variables.
I am using soft i've added to rom to FEEL difference between roms, checking:
- overall speed in real life conditions,
- doc file reading test(ebook reader and word),
- emulators test(cpu and gfx speed test),
- overall GUI speed,
- cam performance differencies,
- vid playback differencies,
- battery behaviour in similar conditions,
- mem drain after launching/using exactly same set of soft(interesting - mem drain is always related to phone subsystem),
- some synthetic tests related to gapi, gdi etc(BUT NEVER SPB bench, that program is ridiculous!),
- filetypes read check(to test associations/codecs).
And you know what..i haven't had single wm crash, batt drain or weak performance(cpu,batt) for 4 years, always used best base available(funny thing is TO FIND such base...many builds are needed..), tweaked to the max, these tests always worked for me, all weak/problematic builds ALWAYS showed potential problems/weaknesses after such test set.
First thing is to know your device, feel it(let's say).
I think that ONE program to measure these:
MTBF (Mean time between failures) or between soft/hard reset
- Average and low high levels of RAM usage
- Average CPU levels, Net usage, etc.
- Device Manufacturer, Type,
- Device OS, ROM, ROM version
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is just not good idea - vide spb benchmark - results ARE NOT reliable at all(to be honest - that soft is BULL****).
I assume it is just because it is ONE program(and it serves salary, not REAL benching), such thing has nothing to reallife usage schema.
sry for my 2 cents.
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MTBF (Mean time between failures) or between soft/hard reset
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this is seriously ridiculous - HOW can one test something like that, LOL?

pupakota said:
this is seriously ridiculous - HOW can one test something like that, LOL?
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Well not that much ridiculous I think! In server world one important measure is availability which is primary based on MTBF. Supposing that an ideal PPC never needs to be soft/hard reseted an average measure of uptime of your ROM is an approximate of stability. Statistics I mean.
Averaging thousands of results of all previously cooked ROMS stability of device is measured which can be a valuable feedback to the manufacturer.
(I think I think in wide usually and open as well. Probably my nickname is producing a lot of negative feedback to my ideas. Maybe I should test this more. )

cina said:
(I think I think in wide usually and open as well. Probably my nickname is producing a lot of negative feedback to my ideas. Maybe I should test this more. )
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Ohh, do not take it personally, please...
Averaging thousands of results of all previously cooked ROMS stability of device is measured which can be a valuable feedback to the manufacturer.
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Do You think they WOULD CARE? It's all about salary, nothing more.
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Notice, that NOBODY is using stock roms, too(and it is quite clear, there's reason for that ).
It may be interesting - reporting cooked roms performance to...stock rom manufacturer

pupakota said:
Ohh, do not take it personally, please...
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Paranoid a bit I am. Anyway thx for the encouragement.
pupakota said:
Do You think they WOULD CARE? It's all about salary, nothing more.
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Notice, that NOBODY is using stock roms, too(and it is quite clear, there's reason for that ).
It may be interesting - reporting cooked roms performance to...stock rom manufacturer
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I know everything is driven by money. Even in healthcare where I currently work.
I don't want to repeat myself. But the basic idea was to help end users choose the ROM that best suits their needs. And to help chefs with feedback on their jobs.
Parallel with medical work all doctors need feedback about their patients to achieve better level of practice. A chef should learn from data collected from end-users and enhance their ROM development.
I understand that a lot of you cook for themselves and publish the result (one time cookers or beginners). But there are big names of cookers with huge experience working hard reading the posts about their ROMS and trying to debug based on that. Wouldn't it be easier to get collected data on ROM performance/stability, bug reports, SW incompatiblity, etc. in an organized way?
Anyway you said that
pupakota said:
And you know what..i haven't had single wm crash, batt drain or weak performance(cpu,batt) for 4 years, always used best base available
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How do you know? Probably you are a lucky one that got an exceptional stable hardware, a battery with no weak cells and a wireless chip with no misaligned molecule in its layers. Others probably have weak hardware, SW from other source that you have never tested. Are you quite sure that your ROM is prepared for "all" situation? Probably not and no one can be sure about that. (And do not take it personal). "Perfection cannot be reached but we should try it hard." - source unknown.
So literally I propose a software that measure some performance/stability/compatiblity issues of cooked ROMs and I've just listed my ideas. Anyone who will develop a software like this will add its own ideas and probably suppress/emphasize some of mine. I intended just to inspire developers for such a solution. I didn't want to give a clear solution anyway but I offered some help with a work like that.
Best regards,
Cina.

Allright, good luck, really...
Paranoid a bit I am.
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Me too, mate, me too
I understand that a lot of you cook for themselves and publish the result (one time cookers or beginners).
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btw i am not beginner. i stopped making public roms 2 yrs ago.
How do you know?
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..because i can see it.
my softpack was tuned for almost 2 yrs, practically every single apps' oem is made by me, every single app is reconfed by me.
my methods for getting optimal os base were tuned for almost 5 yrs(and regardless of base, builds are always made with same, OLD methods).
zero HTC soft inside. zero useless soft inside. zero useless dlls, zero useless reg entries. bases with ANY kind of problem are thrown out and not used by me.
i do not need any external info from anyone to get optimal results. strict methods have very important feature: elimination of sudden misbehaviours, unknown problems, so only problems with any of: performance, batt,whatever, may come from base then.
That's all.
i do not know anything about others' point of view on external performance/etc. data ideas, but it may be hard to believe that good cooks are not having similar ways. You know, i see that someone tells: "That base is good", allright, 20 minutes later i have ready rom, so it's quite fast way to check, if it is good base, then practical subsystems tests in reallife verificate REAL usability. btw hard to imagine such build list, if we cannot have EVEN clear com 2,3,5 builds list, lol.
sorry for LQ english(or engrish..).
"Perfection cannot be reached but we should try it hard."
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So true...

Thanx. And I appreciate your posts. Really.
pupakota said:
btw i am not beginner.
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I've already got that.