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So..HTC will (or already did) bring out a few new devices, and I just cant wait to get my hands on a Htc Kaiser. What will be your next device?
HTC TOUCH
HTC S710
HTC Kaiser
HTC Omni
I think I didnt forget one..
I say; bye bye htc tytn
Nike
or
Polaris
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2007/06/22/htc_s_new_device_roadmap
Rudegar said:
Nike
or
Polaris
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2007/06/22/htc_s_new_device_roadmap
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ok ok..thank you, I didnt even know there were more devices..Lets keep it to these 4 devices..
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ok ok..thank you, I didnt even know there were more devices..Lets keep it to these 4 devices..
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Nope you can't - They all HTC handhelds.
For me it has to be Polaris( I use Artemis already)
I am however tempted by the Omni - as the ultimate convergence handheld
ill only get the kaiser if it has the 1700mhz and 2100mhz bands that can work with tmo us 3g.
Well I had my eye on the Nike since I saw it on www.pdadb.com
Funny that their picture looks better than HTC's (it is still Photoshop).
Though now I am considering getting the Neo 1973 (I know not HTC device) and waiting with my Jamin for something better from HTC (maybe next gen OS based on CE 6)
I know the Neo is at least 3 years backwards hardware wise (no 3G / camera / WiFi) but it just sound like developers heaven.
You can even get a debug board for an extra 150$ but that kind of low level tweaking is beyond my abilities.
yeah but i think that nike pic is older then
the one in the later roadmaps so it could look
like htc changed their design
my next HTC device
maybe an HTC S730 (HTC Wings / Volans)
HTC OMNI
This is indeed a very nice device. The main problem is that the processor is really slow according to the specs.
By the way, is this device for real? I certainly don't think so. Let's all focus on the Imate 7150..
Definitely the Kaiser (the AT&T Tilt version of it)! The wait has been too long already!
I agree with the Nike or Polaris.
Also, the Juno for AT&T is coming out which is basically the VOX with 3G.
I just got myself a Touch. It's a bit of a girl's phone, but works well and is cute.
It's not a power phone, but then, it does everything I need it to, and I need it to do a lot [I wear a suit all day, and hate having my suit pocket dangle down when I'm carrying my Hermes. So the Touch is my "day" phone]
Kaiser will be fun, but there are too many new (chunky) HTCs coming out now, it's almost impossible to stay on top of all of them. But they really need to get VGA into their pocket sized phones. Anything else is just bells and whistles right now.
A Touch with VGA, GPS and a slider keyboard would be lovely.
But then again, so would conjugal visits from Winona Ryder, and that's not happening either right now.
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greatestkelvin said:
This is indeed a very nice device. The main problem is that the processor is really slow according to the specs.
By the way, is this device for real? I certainly don't think so. Let's all focus on the Imate 7150..
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The Imate 7150 has been cancelled, the Omni looks to be a year away and will not feature a 400mhz processor but at least a 520mhz.
Personally I've been waiting for nearly 2 years for a replacement for my Universal, and the Kaiser is the one I'm going for.
To me Polaris sounds like the next one but worth waiting also for HP Ipaq 600 or 900
Burko said:
The Imate 7150 has been cancelled, the Omni looks to be a year away and will not feature a 400mhz processor but at least a 520mhz.
Personally I've been waiting for nearly 2 years for a replacement for my Universal, and the Kaiser is the one I'm going for.
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The cancellation of the Imate 7150 is rumor. You can check int the Web. Anyhow Imate7150 and HTC omni is Great Devices!(on the spec list)
However I am little concern of Imate 7150 it is the first device in such they will produce. In other hand HTC has already collected enough experiences with HTC Universal which is clearly great Device therefore I think Omni will be better choice. Well we wait to see how they come up.
Anyhow both Devices are "communicators" and sometimes size matter. Definitely vijay is right, they are not nice to carry them on your belt or in your pocket.
My dream Would be: HTC Polaris spec device ( 3.5" VGA is must) + clamshell (like by Uni) + keyboard + external small display, And All this packed in 100mm X 65mm X 18mm
Bulldog said:
The cancellation of the Imate 7150 is rumor. You can check int the Web. Anyhow Imate7150 and HTC omni is Great Devices!(on the spec list)
However I am little concern of Imate 7150 it is the first device in such they will produce. In other hand HTC has already collected enough experiences with HTC Universal which is clearly great Device therefore I think Omni will be better choice. Well we wait to see how they come up.
Anyhow both Devices are "communicators" and sometimes size matter. Definitely vijay is right, they are not nice to carry them on your belt or in your pocket.
My dream Would be: HTC Polaris spec device ( 3.5" VGA is must) + clamshell (like by Uni) + keyboard + external small display, And All this packed in 100mm X 65mm X 18mm
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The Polaris is 2.8", I have spec screen shots of it.
I just hope some of these new devices come out soon.
maevro said:
The Polaris is 2.8", I have spec screen shots of it.
I just hope some of these new devices come out soon.
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here it says 3.5" VGA http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2007/06/22/htc_s_new_device_roadmap
Polaris is 3.5" VGA if you're all wondering.
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Polaris is 3.5" VGA if you're all wondering.
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if the 3.5" VGA is confirmed, I am a dilemma : HTC OMNI ,HTC Kaiser, HTC polaris
I love to have keyboard but I love as well the 3.5" VGA in compact size device
polaris! even though not in the poll
Similar specs, with few differences with pros and cons, BUT whats your choice and why?
I like kaiser. Elegant, bit bulky but decent. Excellent keyboard and tilt screen just look very sexy in your hand or on the table. I have installed HTC Cube and new HTC Album, so it is working as Touch. Not sure if there is anyhting which I want and exists in polaris but not in TyTn II.
POLARIS or KAISER .....
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Not sure if there is anyhting which I want and exists in polaris but not in TyTn II.
POLARIS or KAISER .....
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Yeah...kaiser has everything more than Polaris...even the size...
Am also torn between the two I sold my Kaiser last weekend abroad and wanting to buy a replacement. The long wait for polaris may even send me into the iMate ultimate den
The decision is very easy. If you need a keyboard as your typing the whole day, go for the kaiser. If you need something light and handy get the cruise. The 200g weight of the Kaiser is no joke, you feel it pulling in every pocket. Just try to carry around two 100g bars of chocolate the whole day. 50g less with the Polaris is a tremendous difference. I gave back my Kaiser because of this.
Polaris, because of the sunlight readable screen.
(But subject to seeing the actual device first!)
Dear Santa,
I would like one of each please!!
Polaris all the Life!
size first of all! amazing!
better LCD display!
I like so much the central weel.
all the rest is FUFFA! (for me obviously)
Bye
Kaiser has a keyboard that can also tilt...that is fragile!!! I can't imagine with all the vibration of the car while the tytn2 is attached to the car consolle.
Go for Polaris of course.
Polaris is my choice.....
- best case
- hardest display
- better design
- compact size
Polaris. Better screen than Kaiser, I think, without the weight, bulk and the 'formal' look.
Apart that Kaiser is ugly, big, thick and heavy everything seems to be ok. Not a match for polaris but ofcourse I don’t need or want a keyboard
Each year has his own dilemma:
Wizard / Prophet
TyTn / Trinity
Kaiser / Polaris
What will be the next?
Over the last years I never owned a device with a keyboard and I don't need a keyboard on my 'phone' either.
So my choice was easy, Polaris! I also happen to like the looks more and the fact it's less bulky is also a major pro in my eyes.
On the other hand the Kaiser is a very nice device and I guess if you need to do a lot of typing on the device that one would have a major advantage because of the keyboard.
Just the way you look at it, the lack of keyboard is very important to me in a positive way. For others it's very important in a negative way. (negative as in: not in favour of Polaris).
video problems??
Does anyone know if the polaris has the same lack of drivers that cripples the kaisers video playback?
I'm also stuck between the 2, currently have hermes + love it
I'm a current Artemis user and the wheel is a godsend!! I would definitely go for the Polaris (and pass the Artemis to my wife.. hehe)
Also, I don't need a keyboard and I kinda like the idea of flushed screen.
Most users should be able to decide between the 2 depending on their keyboard requirement..
Anyways, why so some of ya say the Polaris has a better screen? Can elaborate?
Thanks
binners said:
Does anyone know if the polaris has the same lack of drivers that cripples the kaisers video playback?
I'm also stuck between the 2, currently have hermes + love it
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I am not sure if it is lack of drivers problem but there will be no difference in this issue bettwen Polaris kai Kaiser.
pretty sure i read somewhere that the polaris has different hardware that makes the touchflo stuff work better on it. but im not 100%
MasK said:
Also, I don't need a keyboard and I kinda like the idea of flushed screen.
Most users should be able to decide between the 2 depending on their keyboard requirement..
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...and FM Radio.
MasK said:
Anyways, why so some of ya say the Polaris has a better screen? Can elaborate?
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The Polaris screen will be the same as Touch. Compare the screen between Touch and Kaiser and you will figure out the answer by yourself!
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pretty sure i read somewhere that the polaris has different hardware that makes the touchflo stuff work better on it. but im not 100%
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The hardware is the same. The software is different (because it is a touch PPC). TouchFlo and Cube will work better because of the different screen, not the hardware inside tha device.
I too have heard the screen is different for the Touch/Cruise. How is it different? Can some ellaborate on the technical details and how they traslate to making the TouchFlo work better?
After using the TouchFlo features on the Kaiser/Tilt, I am not impressed. Quirky to the point that it is not even usable. I find it to be a novelty at best and too prone to swipes being "interpreted" as taps.
So how does the Cruise improve on this?
Hi all!
I'm trying to make up my mind on whether or not to get a Touch Cruise...
My current shortlist is:
HTC Touch Cruise
Glofiish X800
(waiting for a VGA-unit with enough RAM & preferably a GPU)
Who can sway my mind in any direction here?
My usage profile is: a couple of SMS'es per day, perhaps a MMS as well. A couple of (short) calls per month(!). Occasional GPS'ing (got a GPS in the car, so don't really need it for that). Some web browsing via WiFi. Watching some videoclips and/or listening (via A2DP) to MP3's in the bus to/from work (about 1 hour in total each day).
Is the Touch Cruise up to this all, both processing-wise and battery-wise?
Eten Glofiish should be the best if you need a VGA in qVGA' size!
Regards,
Carty..
buy Cruise today and a vga model with enough ram tomorrow
The glofish is too slow and 64 Mo ram is poor
;o)
Ziggy
Ziggy95 said:
buy Cruise today and a vga model with enough ram tomorrow
The glofish is too slow and 64 Mo ram is poor
;o)
Ziggy
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Correct! VGA is not that necessary in a device with 2.8" screen.
athanaso77 said:
Correct! VGA is not that necessary in a device with 2.8" screen.
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Is the difference between VGA & QVGA clearly visible:
when watching a videoclip?
when using the UI & programs?
with photo's?
evert said:
Hi all!
My current shortlist is:
HTC Touch Cruise
Glofiish X800
(waiting for a VGA-unit with enough RAM & preferably a GPU)
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My current list is:
HTC Touch Cruise
i-Mate Ultimate 9502
Since 9502 is not on the market yet, and seems not to have official reseller in Europe, target is TC...
Forget Eten untill they change chipset, which currently doesn't support more than 64MB RAM. Or wait...
I mate 9502 is nice but 200g is heavy
Ziggy
I had a similar decision to make. VGA is nice, but it seems that it's only a detail like USB 2.0 (the phone still isn't faster only because it uses USB 2.0). Many people told me, that on 2,8" you can't see a difference between VGA and QVGA. In fact they were concerned, that VGA will cost more CPU Power and as a result, drain the battery more than a QVGA device and make it slowlier.
Maybe the Eten has a better panel (I mean better viewing angles for example). One thing I noticed was that the support of Glofiish should be worse. But thats only what I heard in Germany. Maybe support in your country is better.
vga can give issues when using pocketpc progrms which are not vgaAware plenty of threads about it in universal and other forums
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I had a similar decision to make. VGA is nice, but it seems that it's only a detail like USB 2.0 (the phone still isn't faster only because it uses USB 2.0). Many people told me, that on 2,8" you can't see a difference between VGA and QVGA.
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Who knows of any site where there are some GOOD comparison photo's of a VGA screen vs. a QVGA screen? Preferably 2 units showing the same thing in VGA vs. QVGA resolution.
I'm having the same problems.
I can't really decide between the:
Polaris
Kaiser
I don't realy care about the VGA display, but a bit more color depth would be nice...
Does anyone have some personal experience whith these two?
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Who knows of any site where there are some GOOD comparison photo's of a VGA screen vs. a QVGA screen? Preferably 2 units showing the same thing in VGA vs. QVGA resolution.
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click here: http://www.tmdisplay.com/tm_dsp/press/img/VGA_QVGA0.jpg
evert said:
Hi all!
I'm trying to make up my mind on whether or not to get a Touch Cruise...
My current shortlist is:
HTC Touch Cruise
Glofiish X800
(waiting for a VGA-unit with enough RAM & preferably a GPU)
Who can sway my mind in any direction here?
My usage profile is: a couple of SMS'es per day, perhaps a MMS as well. A couple of (short) calls per month(!). Occasional GPS'ing (got a GPS in the car, so don't really need it for that). Some web browsing via WiFi. Watching some videoclips and/or listening (via A2DP) to MP3's in the bus to/from work (about 1 hour in total each day).
Is the Touch Cruise up to this all, both processing-wise and battery-wise?
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To be honest, I've pass by the same reflexions/questions as you. I've finally choose to buy the Cruise and I really don't regret my order. This mobile really impress me. It is the right evolution and a perfect mix between the p3300 and the p3600 + the Touch function. The Touch will allow you to do a lot of things with your fingers.
I've installed a MicroSD card 4Gb (SanDisk). This mean that this mobile support High Capacity card (good point !). The GPS is simply perfect ! Previously I've used a TomTom Go 910 and sincerely I don't regret it.
Well.. I'm a bit an HTC addict but I really think that this Company is currently making the best Windows Mobile machines.
Now about Eten, what I heard is that they are good but not really reliable (some customer complain about problems with the recent machines). Personally I've worked with an Eten G500+ some months ago. Good in GPS but not (really not) so good as the HTC's as phone.
Hope it help.
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I don't realy care about the VGA display, but a bit more color depth would be nice...
Does anyone have some personal experience with these two?
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I have the Touch Cruise and i know the display of the Kaiser and i have to say that the display of the cruise shows the colors much better than the Kaiser.
But, thats not the question, the cruise is smaller, lighter and has the flush screen, but the Kaiser have a keyboard which is the only positive point for the kaiser
I will sell you my Kaiser?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....39064&_trksid=p3907.m32&_trkparms=tab=Selling
Borizli said:
I have the Touch Cruise and i know the display of the Kaiser and i have to say that the display of the cruise shows the colors much better than the Kaiser.
But, thats not the question, the cruise is smaller, lighter and has the flush screen, but the Kaiser have a keyboard which is the only positive point for the kaiser
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Tnx, I was leaning towards the Polaris anyways...
Considering that the keyboard slide can wearout after sometime...
I have the Hermes, and that's why the Kaiser was an option.
Don't forget that the Kaisers keyboard can turn fragile after some time (that's my fear), the kaiser is also way thicker and heavier than the polaris. And the kaiser will cost € 100,- more than the polaris.
If I were you, I'd go for the polaris. Just like I did
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Don't forget that the Kaisers keyboard can turn fragile after some time (that's my fear), the kaiser is also way thicker and heavier than the polaris. And the kaiser will cost € 100,- more than the polaris.
If I were you, I'd go for the polaris. Just like I did
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There's only a 40€ difference between the Polaris and the Kaiser...
The Polaris is around 630€ and thats the cheaper between the two.
So the money wasn't an aspect, I only wanted some personal oppinions about the two to help me decide
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There's only a 40€ difference between the Polaris and the Kaiser...
The Polaris is around 630€ and thats the cheaper between the two.
So the money wasn't an aspect, I only wanted some personal oppinions about the two to help me decide
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Personally, I'm a bit skeptic with PDA with keyboard. First because of the mechanic that may have problems with the time. And second because the PDA is more thick.
If you plan to wrote a lot, the keyboard may help. If not, the stylus is okay.
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click here: http://www.tmdisplay.com/tm_dsp/press/img/VGA_QVGA0.jpg
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A perfect example. Thanks!
I will scale them both down to 3" so I have a more accurate comparison
Got a quick question. I've been looking around for a new pda. I currently own a Trinity and am wondering if the Polaris is equivalent to a Trinity II? Similar to how there is a TyTN and now there is a TyTN II, except with the name change.
I know the Polaris has streamed from the Artemis i.e. P3300, but specs seems like it can possibly be a the new Trinity? Or is HTC going to release a Trinity II later this year or in the near future?
I'd like some helpful input if possible. Thanks a lot.
The Polaris is an Artemis, Touch Dual hybrid, it's nowhere near the Trinity.
The only thing that connects the two is the Qualcomm GPS chip.
The design is from the Artemis, the screen and chipset is from the Touch Dual (or the Kaiser if you prefer, but both use the same chipsets).
Ture, but if you are a user looking at features and form it is basically an improved Trinity. Nicely improved
that and the fact that the alternative name for the Touch Cruise is the P3650.....!
But just look at the thing, it's a touch/p3300 love child all the way!!
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Ture, but if you are a user looking at features and form it is basically an improved Trinity. Nicely improved
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Thanks a lot for your input. I guess my end question is because the end user features of the touch cruise is very similar to the trinity, upgraded, does anyone think that the trinity model be phased out? As HTC seems to be quite a smart company, releasing a "Trinity II" would possibly be doubling up and competing with it's own Touch Cruise. Thanks.
I've owned multiple devices (including two Trinity's) as most that post here have. I can't believe the number of devices that are available from the same manufacturers now that sizes are reaching the limits of what is comfotable for users. Given the 2.8" screen standard, there is no reason for anything much smaller than the Touch. A couple mm's shaved here and there maybe.
Maybe with technology HTC will eventualy get to two basic PDA phones - one with keyboard and a slimmer one without. Both will be loaded with the same features as technology improves. LG is packing more features in a smaller phone than the Touch.
Some how I'm not convinced that, the Trinity has anything to do whith the Polaris. Yeah I know, the number... Trinity being P3600 and Polaris being P3650, but I ask what features and design elements make the Polaris Trinity II.
As far as I can see there's no Jogwheel, no Infraport, the design elements are from the Artemis and the Touch, and the chipset is from the Kaiser... so?
Between the the Hermes and the Kaiser are common elements, in design, and in features also. And HTC introduced the Kaiser as TyTN II. But I ask again, whithout the numbers, what makes the Polaris the Trinity II?
i think what he's fishing for is if since hermes and kaiser kinda look alike and aramis and polaris kinda look alike if
there will be a trinityLooking device later
or if that market segment is where polaris is
suppose he pref the look of trinity and will wait if a device comes out which look more like that
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Some how I'm not convinced that, the Trinity has anything to do whith the Polaris. Yeah I know, the number... Trinity being P3600 and Polaris being P3650, but I ask what features and design elements make the Polaris Trinity II.
As far as I can see there's no Jogwheel, no Infraport, the design elements are from the Artemis and the Touch, and the chipset is from the Kaiser... so?
Between the the Hermes and the Kaiser are common elements, in design, and in features also. And HTC introduced the Kaiser as TyTN II. But I ask again, whithout the numbers, what makes the Polaris the Trinity II?
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Thanks a lot for your input. Thanks for telling me that there is no infraport. I don't use it, but it's good to know before I make a purchase. I'm not trying to argue that the Touch Cruise = Trinity II. I'm just looking for a new pda phone that is as close to the Trinity P3600 as possible, except better I'm sick of my Trinity. It seems to me that the closest there is in the market is the Touch Cruise. I know the Trinity and the Touch Cruise are entirely different phones. Another Question. Is the Qualcomm 400Mhz processor on the Touch Cruise faster than the Samsung 400Mhz processor? The Samsung processor has it's own problems. Any significant problems with the Qualcomm processor that I should be aware?
Thanks again for your help.
Qualcomm got an issue with the htc driver not using the ati onchip video stuff so the cpu dont do multimedia as fart as it could same thing with kaiser there are alot of thread about it
how big a problem it is i guess depend on if one play video clips in higher res's then the screen and display to avoid the bother of transforming them to 320_240 first
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the Polaris is actually related to the Trinity - as pointed out, it's predecessor is the Artemis.
Check this out if you are looking for a comparison.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer
im sorry .. but
wtf who cares about it? - call it the trinity II if your happy then lol.
go to the shop and say: i own a touch cruise's / orbit's predeccessor, the trinity. he dont cares how you call it, you put the finger on the product and he will tell you the price ^^
Polaris is indeed Trinity, but not Trinity II, it's Trinity 0.5! Don't buy it yet. I have both phones. I was sick of my Trinity like you and wanted something new and bought Polaris. Yes it looks "sexier" but it made me realize how great my Trinity is! Now I'm back to Trinity and the Polaris is back in its box until HTC releases patches that make this phone better than Trinity.
Jeez, I tried to play a tinny little 320 x 240 video and it couldn't handle it!
I have a Trinity running the latest "Fixin it over" ROM which is working great. Also have a Polaris on order from Mobileplanet. I starting to wonder if the Polaris is a bit over rated in comparison. Anyone else have both with an opinion?
I currently have a TyTN (Hermes 200) and am thinking about upgrading.
Maybe something used.
My biggest indecision is that I don't know if the next phone should have a slide out keyboard, or not. (Slide-out keyboard is nice, but makes for a thicker device)
I don't do heavy emailing or heavy texting... just the occasional ones.
Any thoughts/advice on which way to go? Maybe recommend a device?
P.S. I don't want an iPhone... I think i'd prefer to tick with an HTC device (WM or even Android)
here's a Touch HD & QWERTY thread discussion...maybe some info there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437646&highlight=qwerty
Try and check out the ASUS P565. It is not an HTC phone, but something to consider since a brand new unit is about 500 something dollars. Here is a thread discussion with links: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446317
The upcoming Touch Pro2 and Touch Diamond2 look really nice. The former is more like the TyTN, and the latter is more like the TyTN without a keyboard. They're both pretty much the same, except the Diamond2 has a better camera and no keyboard. They will both ship with 6.1, but will be upgradable to WM6.5.
Dave
I will definitely replace my Hermes with the touch pro 2, at least if my battery survives that long.
One more for touch pro 2!!
Neither the Pro 2 or Diamond 2 can replace the Hermes adequately, since they don't have a scroll wheel and D-pad.
So other then the Touch Pro2, there are no other suggestions?
What are the thoughts on the Touch Pro? how is it compared to the tytn? Much faster?
yes, the touch pro (and se xperia X1, almost the same hardware, different looks) are a *LOT* faster then the TyTN, their 2 years newer, so that's expected offc
The major diff is the amount of memory, the tytn always rns of of memory at about any task. Other then that, the cpu on the tp is a lot fatser, it has a bigger VGA screen, ans a lot of nice stuff that you could or couldn't care about (tv-out, g-sensor etc.).
If you want a replacement for the tytn *now* get a touch pro or an X1 (personal choice), but if you can wait another 3-4 months (in europe at least) then the touch pro 2 would seem to be the best choice.