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Fed up with HTC and I-mate ultimates delayed, need a replacement!

Hi Guys
I have a HTC TyTN which I am using beyond its capabilities. I have upgraded it to WM6 and use a lot of the extra functionality that it contains however, I find it too slow and the screen is to low res. I am also seriously ****ed off with HTC build quality and it now has a fourth hardware issue that I cannot be bothered to return it for. - NO It has not been dropped, in fact its been treated better than an eggshell!
I was originaly looking at replacing it with an I-Mate Ultimate 5150 but I have now heard that they are not being released until November. I can't wait this long. I need a phone that can do all of the following but is NOT made by HTC
runs WM6
has HSDPA/3G
has Bluetooth/Not bothered about WiFi
is faster than this rubbish Samsung 2442A processor at 400mhz
ideally has more than 128meg ram - optional
has an optional extended battery
supports push Exchange email
Last but by no means least, MUST have a 640*480 screen
has a slide out/slide down keyboard
must NOT be made by HTC - no matter how well re-badged it is!
The monstrosity that is the JasJar is simply too big and doesn't support HSDPA anyway. Budget is not too much of a problem but I don't want to go bigger in size than the Ultimate 5150. I will be buying off-contract.
Apart from the I-Mate Ultimates, I can't find any phones to meet this criteria, anyone else know of any? I'm desperate!
Thanks loads in advance for saving my life! :thumbsup:

wow you're not asking for much...and limiting yourself to the small (albeit increasing) percentage of the market that is non-HTC isnt helping you. But then again HTC is a product cycle behind everyone else with VGA so no foul...
In any case your pretty well limited to:
Toshiba G900. Everything you want bar the Processor. Has a possibly low Samsung Processor onboard.
beyond that any other devices coming close to that criteria are comprimises
ie GLofish X800, Gigabyte T300 (Like the G900 due for Release soon). VGA screens aren't that all come on at the moment, but are gradually improving, this is certainly the year for them.

Hi
Thanks for that! Looking like the device for me
And yes, im a firm believer of never buying another product from a manufacturer when something I have bought from them has failed repeatedly. From what I understand, i'm not the only one that has a HTC device thats failed over and over again - google tells me this!
Anyway, i've alreadly found this for sale for 379 and that was with my first google!
Thanks again!!

Hi,
I am pretty much on the same boat, although I am reasonably happy with my TyTN... I just want more!
I have been looking at:
- Toshiba G900 - 800x480 screen, only slightly larger than the TyTN
- E-TEN Glofish X500+ - only just saw this in a magazine yesterday, it is supposed to be a 640x480 version of the X500, and it will be sold by Expansys... although its not on their website yet!

Monty: I know how you feel about HTC, which is why I went from BA -> Flame.
My requirements were slightly different. In descreasing order of importance:
At least 3.5" screen. 2.8 - 3.2" screens are too small, both for my eyes and my hands (with stylus).
VGA.
Lightweight and fits in pocket. (Rules out Universal and Athena.)
Portrait-normal form factor. I gotta be able to hold it in one hand and tap the stylus in the other, comfortably.
2.5G. 3G is still new here, and I can live with 2.5G speeds because of what I use it for (ssh).
Bluetooth. No need for GPS or KB if you have BT.
Prefer no keyboard or a hidden slide-out keyboard -- I'll use a soft, USB or BT keyboard instead of a keyboard with keys too tiny for my fingers, which ends up simply increasing the thickness of the device most of the time.
No HTC device satisfies these requirements. Only the XDA Flame does.
The HTC Panda is a throwback since it doesn't have VGA. Otherwise it might be an acceptable alternative when it comes out.
The iMate Ultimate 7150 would be my second choice when it comes out, despite its keyboard (looks hidable and does not increase thickness of device too much).
Until something better comes out, I'll stick with the Flame.

Monty Burns said:
I was originaly looking at replacing it with an I-Mate Ultimate 5150 but I have now heard that they are not being released until November. I can't wait this long. I need a phone that can do all of the following but is NOT made by HTC
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heard? who did u hear it from??
"The highly acclaimed Ultimate range from i-mate will be on offer to customers throughout the region from Sept 2007"
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6461.html

Toshiba G900 has 128M RAM, 128M ROM and a Marvell PXA270 520 Mhz cpu.
It has been released in the UK. The manual is available online - at the Toshiba.co.uk mobile communications site.
Not only is this faster than the SAMSUNG on the TyTN, but is also current Xscale / ARM - the Samsung was two generations out of date ... and generally regarded as end of line long before the TyTN came out.

Imate???? Their customer support SUCKS!!! I've had JasJam for 7months now and have had enough. No phone support. Representatives have NO IDEA what they are chatting about - absolutely no knowledge and noone responds to emails!!!!

Personally I am impressed by the imate ultimate series whenever it is released but I am troubled by their customer support.
For almost 3 months now the clubimate site (Jasjam) page mentions that a newer version of the operating system will soon be released. When I finally got on line with them yesterday the person mentioned that it has already been released. Before I could ask him where it is posted the on line chat disconnected not to be connected again. But I am sure that clown had no idea of what he was talking about.
Regards

the ultimates series have yet to prove themselfs not to be vaporware though

Rudegar said:
the ultimates series have yet to prove themselfs not to be vaporware though
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I dont think that it ll be a vaporware esp when considering the fact that the imate's future depends on them

What's the best phone at the moment

Hi all,
I have been using imate k-jam aka wizard for a long time(2 years), and always felt slow doing anything and everything. Recently i buyed imate jasjam aka hermes thinking about its 400 mhz cpu. But to be frank and truthful both of them lagged the same way(sometimes hermes is better), but both are reasonably slow. I have even used my friends imate-jam aka magician- and im really truthful it was way too fast, everything works amazingly, changing the theme doesnt require more than 2 secs- which in my wizards takes more than 30 secs, playing big video's smoothly and-and internet pages was rendered amazingly-which my 2 costly devices could't do!!!
Now listening about wats going on with kaiser, its pitiful that such a good device also lags in performance. I wonder wats going on with HTC all expensive devices lags.
So guys, what do you think would be better device with all such funtionalities and faster performace. I am stuck with Asus P750...
What do you think...??

i want touch cruse
but if people like keyboard then kaiser is the thing

I think you will want to wait for HTC to iron out the bugs with Kaiser. I do the same - and purchased a Nokia N95 in the meantime so that I'm not without new toys, which I absolutely love. This device REALLY rocks! (I only wish it ran Windows Mobile...)

I was planning on getting myself the Kaiser 120 before the new year. Yeah, I read a few posts regarding the keyboard issue. True bumme. Then I thought about waiting to get the E-Ten M800 (it's looks mean, lol), but the has 64mg ram, as the Kaiser has 128mg or ram and a 3mg camera. Having a slide out keyboard and windows os is a must for me. Decisions decisions. I have until January to make a decision, lol.

robosiris said:
I was planning on getting myself the Kaiser 120 before the new year. Yeah, I read a few posts regarding the keyboard issue. True bumme. Then I thought about waiting to get the E-Ten M800 (it's looks mean, lol), but the has 64mg ram, as the Kaiser has 128mg or ram and a 3mg camera. Having a slide out keyboard and windows os is a must for me. Decisions decisions. I have until January to make a decision, lol.
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If yoou still have 1.5 months, if I were you, I'd wait for the new announcements of HTC (Q1 2008 models). I really hope for something like the Omni (as long as it's not Google-only).

first i thought, that i will buy the new O2 XDA Orbit 2 (HTC Touch Cruise).. but then i found O2 XDA Stellar (coming soon 26th November i hope ) and then
--> BOA
I WANT THIS THING!!!
so i think the HTC TyTN II - Kaiser will be the best phone at this time

It's all relative honestly. There is no one best phone right now.
I dislike the TyTN II because to me its too thick. I have the X800 Gloffish and think its a bettet device personally. I have been waiting for the Polaris and we shall see, but again that my preference.
I think the N95 is the best non WM device right now. I sell phones and nothing sells better and is more popular.
It comes down to what you are looking for in a phone. I cannot wait for the HP 914 personally.

Menneisyys said:
If yoou still have 1.5 months, if I were you, I'd wait for the new announcements of HTC (Q1 2008 models). I really hope for something like the Omni (as long as it's not Google-only).
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I had the HTC Herald for about a year now, and it's time to upgrade. I read about the HTC Omni, the specs on that gigantic "thing" is impressive. That thing is a mini laptop. I wouldn't even know how to answer a call on that thing, lol. It reminds me of the HTC Advantage regarding size. That Omni is not pocketable (at least for me, lol). E-Ten M800 let me down because of the 64ram instead of 128. I plan to get the kaiser in a few weeks. And besides, no matter what I get, several months down the road, something similar will come out that even better

yeah there is no best phone
one mans nightmare is another dream
if there was a best phone everybody with enough
money would own the same device
same goes for the "best" rom really

Menneisyys said:
I think you will want to wait for HTC to iron out the bugs with Kaiser.
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The Kaiser has the makings to be one of the best phone, if HTC were to pull out the thumb from their *ss and start fixing bugs. I am not very optimistic though. So far my impression of HTC is that they fix bugs by introducing new devices with these fixes incorporated and leave us unlucky beta-testers to rot. What they guarantee by doing so is that, while they probably get a lot of new customers, they loose many old ones...

Nobody here likes asus p750 it has more functionalities than kaiser it is fast too (see the alex review in modaco). But only problem is 64 mb ram.

o2's version of the Polaris ( Orbit 2/ Touch Cruise ). Really one sweet device, built in GPS, 128mb memory, 3MP auto focus cam + front facing cam for video calls etc, 400mhz CPU, 3G for speedy downloads and browsing where you carnt use wifi.
Absolutley one sexy device, this is my next phone and will be for many many ppl.

samy.3660 said:
Nobody here likes asus p750 it has more functionalities than kaiser it is fast too (see the alex review in modaco). But only problem is 64 mb ram.
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I do not recall 64 MB being a problem when this was the maximum memory available in phones. Now, with 128 MB models available this is suddenly a big issue. Both my previous WM phones, the Prophet (i-mate JAMin) and the Hermes (i-mate JASJAM) ran just fine with 64 MB. Note that these ran WM5. The Kaiser comes with 128 MB RAM and WM6. Is WM6 more demanding than WM5?

abubasim said:
Is WM6 more demanding than WM5?
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Nope, not really.

I personally think the TYTN II is quite up there right now in terms of WM....non WM i agree N95(8GB black !)....also the Sony Ericsson P1 is quite a device but has been overshadowed by WM....its got a 3.2 MP,128 RAM,256 ROM,wifi,Bluetooth 2 wid A2DP,runs the Symbian UIQ....

Well
It's a bit hard, what i would say is the ROM and RAM, personally i found HTC, O2 products are nearly perfect, but just RAM is not enough....so if they can increase the RAM capacity from common 64m to 128m or even higher...then i guess....WOW.....cuz you know as lately most products are already come with built-in GPS, ROM 256m, 1g, or even higher 2g(O2 Flame)....so the crucial part is RAM.....what do you think??

I own the Asus P750, HTC TyTN II, Nokia E90, Nokia N95 8GB, iPhone 8GB and others.
Regarding the GUI/OS/Usability, no phone beats the iPhone.
Regarding camera photo/video quality and size/weight, no phone beats the Nokia N95 8GB.
Regarding internet surfing/display quality(inner display)/keyboard, no phone beats the Nokia E90.
Regarding WM6, no phone beats the Asus P750 which is very fast and has compared to the HTC TyTN II a much better video capability, 64 MB RAM only isn't a real issue.
The Nokia N95 8GB is a very nice do-it-all phone but mostly our American friends seem to be impressed with it, simply because they didn't have the N80 or N95 in time to compare it with. Yes, the N95 8GB is an impressive piece of technology but I started to hate Symbian because of the non-professional, junkie surfboy GUI design look. Seriously, the Symbian guys must get their stuff straight because this is not a GUI design they should use on a fantastic hardware like the N95 8GB or the E90.
OS-wise, I tend to like the iPhone OS and WM6 more and more and if Microsoft succeeds in making WM7 more stable, faster and introducing new and intelligent functions, I'm sold.
A last word regarding the Asus P750: I'm a bit disappointed with the quality of this unit. The external quality is great, very Palm Treo 750-like, no problem here. Apparently there is something "loose" on my device because when I shake it, I hear that something inside the phone is moving. When I talk to somebody, the loudspeaker seems to vibrate with a high pitch trembling noise, like as something is loose and the sound of the loudspeaker makes it move stronger resulting in a very unpleasant secondary noise(sounds like a distortion in the speaker). I can't return the P750 anymore since my wife was clever enough to throw away the original package and the dealer refuses to take it back without it, which I can understand very well. Women...

I'm digging this soon to be one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367563

I'm a proud owner of Touch Cruise, I love it - simply

i've tried a lot of devices
but because speed,stability,hardware keyboard,GPS on board and big screens are must for me, i prefer kaiser

Touch Diamond

Oh my, that makes me want to do a sex wee!
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46296

I hope we can find something useful in it for our devices.... i realy don't want to buy a new device...

Yes, on the face of it, it seems quite soon after the TC was launched but then I suppose this might take a good few months to turn up in the shops. I presume the VGA screen will mean a lot of the UI widgets won't be usable on the TC, sadly.
Lots more info/video here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/HTC

Unless someone makes them work, but I seriously doubt that HTC will stick to the VGA line...

Yeah I don't want to have to buy another device either. It does suck that it's so soon after the Cruise was released. No microSD memory slot right? I haven't see it mentioned anywhere. 4GB internal memory might be faster but is way too limited.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=389935
here they say microSD but then they also say EGPS where the htc site only say AGPS
so who is to know for sure yet...
being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S

Rudegar said:
being that it's vga it could also mean that if it have a working driver it's hardcoded to the vga res :S
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We'll see about that... but until this community gets it's hands on the ROM, we'll see what has Android to offer

Watch this video and submit your comments as to the fluidity of the OS.
Typical of HTC, init?
http://techdigest.tv/2008/05/shiny_video_rev_169.html

When she was actually demoing it, there seemed to be a certain lag when she scrolled whith her finger... Could it be that the diamond also suffers from the "TouchScreen Bug"?

According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon

chipset is not the same!
ovidiaconescu said:
According to Engaget it seems that Diamond has Video acceleration. If it's already implemented by that device, surely it will be available for Touch Cruise soon
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While I do admire their efforts on the Diamond, I feel that the HTC product development process is just way to rushed. In the end they end up coming out with half assed devices. It seems like they make a new model every 2 months these days e.g. Touch, Touch Dual, Touch Cruise, P3470, Sedena, etc. So its no wonder they can't get any one model right.
They really need to take some notes of what Apple has been doing with the iPhone. New products have had more storage space, and they've been focusing on software updates for their current users. This way prospective buyers are happy and current owners are kept happy. HTC on the other hand delivers maybe one update to a device full of bugs its entire product lifetime in the form of an AKU. That's quite pathetic customer service esp. for devices that are nowhere near perfect from the get go.
I would buy a Diamond, or a WM7 phone, but HTC needs to start doing a better job respecting its current customers - seriously, the Kaiser ppl have been waiting practically a year now for some sort of update, and we Polaris ppl have been waiting nearly 6months. Until HTC does something about product support, my Touch Cruise and my HTC loyalty will hold me over just until the next generation iPhone comes along and the Apple SDK/Apple store has apps coming along.

I agree, they are releasing devices way too fast. They really should invest time in releasing a device that has quality design with well thought out hardware, something that can last for awhile and then release software updates to it. The iPhone comparisons though are not very accurate, since apple designed the hardware and the software and ATT has nothing to do with it (mostly). (as opposed to att needing to come out with their own ROMs for the tilt). But I see your point, where is the official WM6.1 release for example for HTC branded devices? End of March promised for some fix, it's now May and nothing, only an announcement for a new phone. Shame...

I really hate to admit it, but Apple does a good job whith their device/update probram, hell even M$ comes out with updates on a regular basis for its OS...
HTC should learn something from them... the sleek design, and user friendly interface may win the looks prize, but nothing else if it's unuseable and the support sucks...
Some people have more qualifications for PDAs then most of the personel at HTC from simple tech support, to development... and this is an open community (maybe that's why HTC tech support sucks, because we're here to sort out their mess)

Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...

Diamond announced at O2 Germany
as I have just found out, O2 has already announced the HTC Diamond at their Online shop. At another site I found the rumor, that it will be available in June... we'll see.
http://shop2.o2online.de/nw/produkt...lesChannel=SHOP&articleId=617&categoryId=1120

Bodisson said:
Diamond pro:
WM 6.1
VGA
Diamond con:
battery capacity
no memory card slot
discutable GPS (real GPS or AGPS)
Just my opinnion, of course...
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An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO

TDO said:
An the biggest con only 528 Mhz for VGA.
This thing will be slow as hell.
Just look at the E-Ten GloFiish Series with a 500 Mhz cpu.
TDO
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Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.

RE
actually i think this device is pretty cool. since my tytnII ended up in the washmachine i really doubting of buying this device or another tytnII from the insuarrance money...
pros tytn:
-keyboard
-i have 2 accus by then, 2 chargers etc etc...
-memory card slot (though i got 4 gb and it seems enough)
pros diamond:
-size!!! what a beatifull size at all, lighter and thinner then a n95, iphone etc.
-vga screen
-improved chipset and 192mb ram
I just wait till the first real reviews come out and then i decide!

andyturner said:
Ah but it makes full use of the graphics chip to handle that kind of thing.
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It has drivers which use the videocontroller.
But this driver can only accelerate the "drawing" of the graphics and there only specific functions.
The main-cpu has still to handle 4 times the data in comparison to a qvga device.
TDO

HTC Touch Pro

Hi all,
Looks like HTC has finally made something almost good enough to replace the aging Uni.
The screen isn't quite big enough for my liking, but the rest of the specs are enough to tempt me into retiring my beloved Universal.
http://www.htc.com/europe/product.aspx
As soon as they are on sale, I shall be leaving the Universal forum.
I'd like to say thanks to everyone here for your support and help.
I will not be releasing any more Roms or packages for the Universal, as my new device would certainly arrive before I had any free time from work to start any more Dev work.
It has been a pleasure being part of this community, I have made many wonderful friends here
Cheers,
Beasty

I think there is going to be a mass exodus from the Universal as soon as the Touch Pro is out - its the only thing that comes even close to our ancient (but awesome) devices.
+1 for switching to the Touch Pro...

TehPenguin said:
I think there is going to be a mass exodus from the Universal as soon as the Touch Pro is out - its the only thing that comes even close to our ancient (but awesome) devices.
+1 for switching to the Touch Pro...
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But unfortunately only 2,8" screen

TehPenguin said:
I think there is going to be a mass exodus from the Universal as soon as the Touch Pro is out - its the only thing that comes even close to our ancient (but awesome) devices.
+1 for switching to the Touch Pro...
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Does that mean you would consider joining me mate?
It would be nice to have a familiar face, a friend and tester and host for the new roms!
Yes only 2.8 screen, but I can live with that (hopefully)
Cheers,
Beasty

Thanx for the hard ROM work man .
Too bad the Touch Pro does not have a TILT screen, then I would buy it...
Eelco

Good luck with your new device but for me, the Uni is still the best, I don't think to change it

Touch pro is probably what I'll get.
My contract ended a while ago but there's nothing to replace the Uni without sacrificing too much.
Nokia E71.
Blackberry Bold (9000)
and the Touch Pro are my 3 possibles at the moment.
Touch pro looks good, and with 256mb RAM massively beats the Uni in that respect.
Smaller screen leads to smaller, more pocketable device I guess...
Keyboard looks nice.
And coming to Europe fairly soon, which is nice too

markymanxxx said:
Touch pro is probably what I'll get.
My contract ended a while ago but there's nothing to replace the Uni without sacrificing too much.
Nokia E71.
Blackberry Bold (9000)
and the Touch Pro are my 3 possibles at the moment.
Touch pro looks good, and with 256mb RAM massively beats the Uni in that respect.
Smaller screen leads to smaller, more pocketable device I guess...
Keyboard looks nice.
And coming to Europe fairly soon, which is nice too
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The Uni also works with 256 ram (memory chips from notebook)

Win_XP said:
Good luck with your new device but for me, the Uni is still the best, I don't think to change it
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I agree with u. This is a replacement for Kaiser, touch dual, tytn, wizard, but not Uni.
No clamhell and small screen, but has the missed 5th row in the keyboard and the VGA screen. still there is no device has beaten Uni. In my opinion the replacement must has:
-Clamshell
- 3.5" VGA
-Full Qwerty with separate row for numbers
- The other stuffs that are missed in Uni. i.e. Camera (auto focuss and 3 mega) and GPS.
I don't think that HTC will release such a device as it will decrease their profits from other devices.

Win_XP said:
The Uni also works with 256 ram (memory chips from notebook)
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Ok then, without the need for such hackery!!!
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Another perk of a newer HTC device would be HTC support (i.e. the Dll's to allow video call in cooked WM6+ ROMs and suchlike).
256mb RAM is such a nice prospect... Not having to close Netfront 3.5 just to listen to an MP3!!!

markymanxxx said:
Ok then, without the need for such hackery!!!
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Another perk of a newer HTC device would be HTC support (i.e. the Dll's to allow video call in cooked WM6+ ROMs and suchlike).
256mb RAM is such a nice prospect... Not having to close Netfront 3.5 just to listen to an MP3!!!
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There is no need to close NF to listen an MP3 with 128 ram Uni The only thing that grabs me in Touch Pro is TV-out option

Win_XP said:
Good luck with your new device but for me, the Uni is still the best, I don't think to change it
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I agree nothing can replace the pure functionality of the Uni............. but I think this will be the closest device yet for a long time to come.
Devices are unfortunately getting smaller.
You could allways rip the mainboard out the touch pro and drop it on your Uni............ you would loose the touchflo 3d, but should be able to retain the other great feautres and still have the large screen, cant imagine a keyboard port would be too hard, and the uni probably has enough space left over for two touch pro batteries.

beast0898 said:
You could allways rip the mainboard out the touch pro and drop it on your Uni............ you would loose the touchflo 3d, but should be able to retain the other great feautres and still have the large screen, cant imagine a keyboard port would be too hard, and the uni probably has enough space left over for two touch pro batteries.
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That's a good idea btw, here i'm agree with you

beast0898 said:
I agree nothing can replace the pure functionality of the Uni............. but I think this will be the closest device yet for a long time to come.
Devices are unfortunately getting smaller.
You could allways rip the mainboard out the touch pro and drop it on your Uni............ you would loose the touchflo 3d, but should be able to retain the other great feautres and still have the large screen, cant imagine a keyboard port would be too hard, and the uni probably has enough space left over for two touch pro batteries.
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I think you need to check the Sony Ericsson Xperia before being conclusive on the raphael...the SE has an 800x480 screen with almost similar features...
But yea, as of now, my love is for the raphael...touch pro i mean....
It would have been really cool if there was an upgrade to our unis with the same form factor being maintained, of course with a second external display...
cheers & thanks sooo much for all your contributions for our universals!
San

Xperia's resolution is good, there is no doubt, but with that 800 pixels alot of games and software may be won't work

Win_XP said:
Xperia's resolution is good, there is no doubt, but with that 800 pixels alot of games and software may be won't work
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Yeah, I'm not too sure about the widescreen.
Plus the keyboard of the Xperia doesn't look to great to use...
Touch pro all the way - I'm guessing HTC thinks that Touch pro dimensions are the limit to what most users want - and that the market for devices like the Uni is being eaten from above by sub-notebooks like the Eee PC.
Of course, the Eee is much bigger, but is a rival to the Uni for people who need something more capable than a smartphone, and smaller than a laptop.

markymanxxx said:
Yeah, I'm not too sure about the widescreen.
Plus the keyboard of the Xperia doesn't look to great to use...
Touch pro all the way - I'm guessing HTC thinks that Touch pro dimensions are the limit to what most users want - and that the market for devices like the Uni is being eaten from above by sub-notebooks like the Eee PC.
Of course, the Eee is much bigger, but is a rival to the Uni for people who need something more capable than a smartphone, and smaller than a laptop.
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The Eee is not bad, i have one at work, but it is twice the size of the Uni, and to be honest it isnt much more functional, the 7" screen sucks for working on continuously (at least for my poor eyes) it's a great package for kids, but not much room for it in a corporate market for full time use, and there is no way I can get it in my back pocket.
When my Touch Pro arrives, I may look at porting the mobo over to the Uni shell, if I do and succeed without too much fuss, I'll post in the Uni Wiki.
If I don't / can't and despair with it's little screen, I'll be back developing for the Uni.

beast0898 said:
When my Touch Pro arrives, I may look at porting the mobo over to the Uni shell, if I do and succeed without too much fuss, I'll post in the Uni Wiki.
If I don't / can't and despair with it's little screen, I'll be back developing for the Uni.
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You are the man

beast0898 said:
Does that mean you would consider joining me mate?
It would be nice to have a familiar face, a friend and tester and host for the new roms!
Yes only 2.8 screen, but I can live with that (hopefully)
Cheers,
Beasty
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I won't be the only one
From memory there were a few gurus on the IRC channel talking about the Raphael near the middle of last year - I suspect that there is going to be *a lot* of people working on it...
@Beasty: So.... You going to lead the Raphael Project....?

TehPenguin said:
I won't be the only one
From memory there were a few gurus on the IRC channel talking about the Raphael near the middle of last year - I suspect that there is going to be *a lot* of people working on it...
@Beasty: So.... You going to lead the Raphael Project....?
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I doubt that mate, I won't have enough time to dedicate to it, we are still planning on emigrating to Florida end of this year earlt next year, and to be honest I don't think I have the experience to lead a project like that.
Hopefully there will be some familiar faces of old on the Raphael, Mamaich, Midget, Ivan, Jason maybe even Helmi might be tempted by it.......... we can but hope to see some of the gods of the XDA Devs forum return, maybe I can even tempt Leo away from his beloved (tiny) Kaiser........ I'll have words with him when he's back from his hols in Slovakia.

S740 Announced

S740 was announced today. Will update post with more info, I am on my Vox right now.

Here are more details from gsmarena, it looks nice:
HTC S740
Coming as a successor of the HTC S730 the S740 is a smartphone with a sliding-out four-row QWERTY keyboard. It boasts a 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7225 processor and the greatly sounding 256MB RAM.
The display of the HTC S740 is a 2.4" QVGA one (no touchscreen, of course). All four GSM bands and two UMTS (900 and 2100 MHz) bands are supported by the new phone. There is also HSDPA support to make sure that the quickest network data transfers around are available.
Coming with a HTC Touch Diamond-like back, HTC S740 has a 3.2 megapixel fixed-focus snapper on board. Some of the other more important features are built-in GPS (with A-GPS support), Wi-Fi and the HTC ExtUSB slot which combines a mini-USB 2.0 and an audio jack.
The HTC S740 is going to be available across Europe from September, but there is no information regarding its pricing yet.

keyboard open on the other side

I just hope it'll ship with 6.1 with languages other than English, so we can use it!^^

nice one! thats the device i saw at work last week... but the prototype has no qwerty keyboard ... cant wait for it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418902

Hopefully they set the price right, it is either this, a Touch Pro or a Nokia E71 to be my next device.

I really want to know how to handle the 'cursor-key' in the middle of the device. On the pictures it looks odd to me.

What i don't like about this device
larger overall
20 grams heavier than S710 which is already very heavy
no autofocus

looks interesting but...nothing new on the sun...
OT: I have afriend wich has an Omnia i900 and with my big surprise I noticed it has WM 6.1 localized in my language...so I think out there lot of devices has WinMo 6.1 localized in different devices...but why don't Microsoft release the localized emulator images???? Damn!

HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...

The price on HandTec.co.uk is showing £469.99 (£399.99 ex vat)
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/1430/htc-s740

sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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Qwerty keyboard is something that is a "must" when you use it once and write an sms/e-mail on your phone. I won't buy a phone without qwerty in the future.

sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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You are clearly not on the right forum for this kind of comments. It's clear that everyone who is on this discussion forum likes qwerty on their smartphone... since we all bought the S710.

matrix77 said:
Qwerty keyboard is something that is a "must" when you use it once and write an sms/e-mail on your phone. I won't buy a phone without qwerty in the future.
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A B S O L U T E L Y !! I must agree with you

sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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I think you should look for Nokia toys like smartphones with basic functions making, receiving calls and SMS. You would get such toy phones very slim, lite and offocourse extra functionality of few JAVA inbuilt games.
HTC S710 and next versions are beyond your limits because you are not even able to understand the concepts of these phones at all.

I think it's kind of pointless to put such a processor in this phone. There are rarely any apps for Standard that make use of such processing power! It'll only drain the battery. I think 400 MHz is perfect for a WM Standard phone. For the Touch Pro though it's a must have. And now there is only one reason that keeps me from buying a Touch Pro - it's price...
Anyway, htc put a page online: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
I think the messed up the standby times (under 3G more than GSM???)!

what if the processor is underclocked when no apps are running?

frauhottelmann said:
I think it's kind of pointless to put such a processor in this phone. There are rarely any apps for Standard that make use of such processing power! It'll only drain the battery. I think 400 MHz is perfect for a WM Standard phone. For the Touch Pro though it's a must have. And now there is only one reason that keeps me from buying a Touch Pro - it's price...
Anyway, htc put a page online: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
I think the messed up the standby times (under 3G more than GSM???)!
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its qualcomm processor and OMAP is better as compared to Qualcomm so might be 528 MHz would work little better compared to OMAP 200 MHz

beautiful phone but its gonna be one fingerprint magnet

I am disappointed.
The only think HTC has been able to do is add an GPS (very usefull by the way!).
But NO INNOVATION... and even heavier!!
why they dont do a big touch screen on the front coverything everything (iphone style) then you can slide it on the side for a qwerty keyboard to appear (very usefull!) or you can slide it on the bottom for a numeric pad (very usefull!) to appear for use without sometime painfull touchscreen with one hand.
Would this be something nice? other innovation will be more than welcome... Engineer at HTC what are you doing? sleeping??