Got a quick question. I've been looking around for a new pda. I currently own a Trinity and am wondering if the Polaris is equivalent to a Trinity II? Similar to how there is a TyTN and now there is a TyTN II, except with the name change.
I know the Polaris has streamed from the Artemis i.e. P3300, but specs seems like it can possibly be a the new Trinity? Or is HTC going to release a Trinity II later this year or in the near future?
I'd like some helpful input if possible. Thanks a lot.
The Polaris is an Artemis, Touch Dual hybrid, it's nowhere near the Trinity.
The only thing that connects the two is the Qualcomm GPS chip.
The design is from the Artemis, the screen and chipset is from the Touch Dual (or the Kaiser if you prefer, but both use the same chipsets).
Ture, but if you are a user looking at features and form it is basically an improved Trinity. Nicely improved
that and the fact that the alternative name for the Touch Cruise is the P3650.....!
But just look at the thing, it's a touch/p3300 love child all the way!!
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Ture, but if you are a user looking at features and form it is basically an improved Trinity. Nicely improved
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Thanks a lot for your input. I guess my end question is because the end user features of the touch cruise is very similar to the trinity, upgraded, does anyone think that the trinity model be phased out? As HTC seems to be quite a smart company, releasing a "Trinity II" would possibly be doubling up and competing with it's own Touch Cruise. Thanks.
I've owned multiple devices (including two Trinity's) as most that post here have. I can't believe the number of devices that are available from the same manufacturers now that sizes are reaching the limits of what is comfotable for users. Given the 2.8" screen standard, there is no reason for anything much smaller than the Touch. A couple mm's shaved here and there maybe.
Maybe with technology HTC will eventualy get to two basic PDA phones - one with keyboard and a slimmer one without. Both will be loaded with the same features as technology improves. LG is packing more features in a smaller phone than the Touch.
Some how I'm not convinced that, the Trinity has anything to do whith the Polaris. Yeah I know, the number... Trinity being P3600 and Polaris being P3650, but I ask what features and design elements make the Polaris Trinity II.
As far as I can see there's no Jogwheel, no Infraport, the design elements are from the Artemis and the Touch, and the chipset is from the Kaiser... so?
Between the the Hermes and the Kaiser are common elements, in design, and in features also. And HTC introduced the Kaiser as TyTN II. But I ask again, whithout the numbers, what makes the Polaris the Trinity II?
i think what he's fishing for is if since hermes and kaiser kinda look alike and aramis and polaris kinda look alike if
there will be a trinityLooking device later
or if that market segment is where polaris is
suppose he pref the look of trinity and will wait if a device comes out which look more like that
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Some how I'm not convinced that, the Trinity has anything to do whith the Polaris. Yeah I know, the number... Trinity being P3600 and Polaris being P3650, but I ask what features and design elements make the Polaris Trinity II.
As far as I can see there's no Jogwheel, no Infraport, the design elements are from the Artemis and the Touch, and the chipset is from the Kaiser... so?
Between the the Hermes and the Kaiser are common elements, in design, and in features also. And HTC introduced the Kaiser as TyTN II. But I ask again, whithout the numbers, what makes the Polaris the Trinity II?
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Thanks a lot for your input. Thanks for telling me that there is no infraport. I don't use it, but it's good to know before I make a purchase. I'm not trying to argue that the Touch Cruise = Trinity II. I'm just looking for a new pda phone that is as close to the Trinity P3600 as possible, except better I'm sick of my Trinity. It seems to me that the closest there is in the market is the Touch Cruise. I know the Trinity and the Touch Cruise are entirely different phones. Another Question. Is the Qualcomm 400Mhz processor on the Touch Cruise faster than the Samsung 400Mhz processor? The Samsung processor has it's own problems. Any significant problems with the Qualcomm processor that I should be aware?
Thanks again for your help.
Qualcomm got an issue with the htc driver not using the ati onchip video stuff so the cpu dont do multimedia as fart as it could same thing with kaiser there are alot of thread about it
how big a problem it is i guess depend on if one play video clips in higher res's then the screen and display to avoid the bother of transforming them to 320_240 first
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the Polaris is actually related to the Trinity - as pointed out, it's predecessor is the Artemis.
Check this out if you are looking for a comparison.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer
im sorry .. but
wtf who cares about it? - call it the trinity II if your happy then lol.
go to the shop and say: i own a touch cruise's / orbit's predeccessor, the trinity. he dont cares how you call it, you put the finger on the product and he will tell you the price ^^
Polaris is indeed Trinity, but not Trinity II, it's Trinity 0.5! Don't buy it yet. I have both phones. I was sick of my Trinity like you and wanted something new and bought Polaris. Yes it looks "sexier" but it made me realize how great my Trinity is! Now I'm back to Trinity and the Polaris is back in its box until HTC releases patches that make this phone better than Trinity.
Jeez, I tried to play a tinny little 320 x 240 video and it couldn't handle it!
I have a Trinity running the latest "Fixin it over" ROM which is working great. Also have a Polaris on order from Mobileplanet. I starting to wonder if the Polaris is a bit over rated in comparison. Anyone else have both with an opinion?
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I guess my next PDA will be one of those. Up to now I was convinced it would be the P3600i, but TyTN II show muscles too. What do you people think?
What is important for me is that the device is:
1) Solid. I remember my HTC Wizard sliding in my pocket, very annoying.
2) Small (and especially thin). I want (and I guess everybody else ) the smallest device will the most features. I haven't missed much the keyboard of my Wizard since I've switched to Prophet, but it's handy nevertheless. Can someone compare the thickness of both?
3) Fast! My XDA Neo (HTC Prophet) drives me crazy sometimes with its slow CPU.
3.1) Can you compare the CPUs of both - 400Mhz vs 500 Mhz Samsung?
3.2) Can you compare the 64MB P3600i with the 128MB Kaiser?
4) Overall impression. Anyone?
if i wanted keyboard i would get kaiser
if not i would get polaris not 3600i
Rudegar said:
if i wanted keyboard i would get kaiser
if not i would get polaris not 3600i
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Have you tried the navigation with the scrolling wheel? It's just awful No way I can prefer the wheel over the D-Pad..
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Have you tried the navigation with the scrolling wheel? It's just awful No way I can prefer the wheel over the D-Pad..
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I agree with Rudegar's choice. Only thing needs to be mentioned: Polaris seem to be VGA 3.5" screen so it might be to big for your expectation.
I have a HTC universal and as it is to heavy for some occasions I just last week bought a HTC Hermes .
After 2 days usage I given it to my wife. it is good as a phone but when it comes to PDA it is to small.
My opinion! HTC has really missed to produce and improve such devices like the HTC Himalaya (3.5" screen)
Damn I would love to have the Polaris with keyboard.
Guys check out the new i mate ultimate 9502....top notch specs with a VGA screen,GPS,3.2 MP camera,WiFi,Bluetooth,Qwerty keyboard....blah blah....
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_9502-2158.php
I think its awesome....anyone else havin second thoughts on buyin the Kaiser??
Yes awesome but the problem is that I-Mate is behind it. Their old website showed wonderful devices (Ultimate Range) coming mid 2007 but I guess it is now end 2007 and still no clue of already announced devices. So far we only see a new website but no devices.
So Yes 9502 a wonderful device but only if it ever gets released and I am a bit skeptical that it ever will. Potentially a TyTn II killer.
yep
the i-mate 9502 or the eten m800 will be my next celly after the tytn II.. i really dislike the non vga screen on the tytn ii (used with the universal). however its fairly quick and little bugs.
from what i can read on the specs the m800 has a slightly better cpu? i dont know if it really is but the mhz is higher at least. ;D
Well the problem is, it doesnt have a dedicated numbers row which causes a bit of a worry for me. In tytn, you cant take a note down when on a phone call because, when i type it only inputs number equivalents and i cant tap the alphabets!
Hope this problem is fixed!
Btw, i have a universal!
yea i think it has all the TYTN II features and then some.....now the only problem is availability as srmz mentioned....also nowhere hav they mentioned wut GPS hardware is used....
I-Mate Ultimate 9200 or HTC P6500 Sirius or not
Are these products the same and next beast?
No. i-Mate & HTC parted company a year or so ago. i-Mate's new products are manufactured by Arima.
it's got the Kaiser in ROM (256v128), VGAvQVGA screen, an LED flash
other than that, it's 10gm heavier, doesn't appear to have GPS, uses the same Qualcomm chipset
it's pretty even steven in my opinion
Arima??
Arima is the guys who produced the O2 flame. Too bad they did not support it with a software upgrade of WM6.
Guys and gals, I’ve just posted a HUGE roundup & quick review of i-mate’s all four new devices to http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1967268
2.8" VGA screen? Doesn't that seem a little small? I would rather have a 3.5" VGA any day. I bet they could still make it fairly compact. By the looks of it, that phone is huge anyways. Why not use that space and have a useful screen.
Hi all,
I have been using imate k-jam aka wizard for a long time(2 years), and always felt slow doing anything and everything. Recently i buyed imate jasjam aka hermes thinking about its 400 mhz cpu. But to be frank and truthful both of them lagged the same way(sometimes hermes is better), but both are reasonably slow. I have even used my friends imate-jam aka magician- and im really truthful it was way too fast, everything works amazingly, changing the theme doesnt require more than 2 secs- which in my wizards takes more than 30 secs, playing big video's smoothly and-and internet pages was rendered amazingly-which my 2 costly devices could't do!!!
Now listening about wats going on with kaiser, its pitiful that such a good device also lags in performance. I wonder wats going on with HTC all expensive devices lags.
So guys, what do you think would be better device with all such funtionalities and faster performace. I am stuck with Asus P750...
What do you think...??
i want touch cruse
but if people like keyboard then kaiser is the thing
I think you will want to wait for HTC to iron out the bugs with Kaiser. I do the same - and purchased a Nokia N95 in the meantime so that I'm not without new toys, which I absolutely love. This device REALLY rocks! (I only wish it ran Windows Mobile...)
I was planning on getting myself the Kaiser 120 before the new year. Yeah, I read a few posts regarding the keyboard issue. True bumme. Then I thought about waiting to get the E-Ten M800 (it's looks mean, lol), but the has 64mg ram, as the Kaiser has 128mg or ram and a 3mg camera. Having a slide out keyboard and windows os is a must for me. Decisions decisions. I have until January to make a decision, lol.
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I was planning on getting myself the Kaiser 120 before the new year. Yeah, I read a few posts regarding the keyboard issue. True bumme. Then I thought about waiting to get the E-Ten M800 (it's looks mean, lol), but the has 64mg ram, as the Kaiser has 128mg or ram and a 3mg camera. Having a slide out keyboard and windows os is a must for me. Decisions decisions. I have until January to make a decision, lol.
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If yoou still have 1.5 months, if I were you, I'd wait for the new announcements of HTC (Q1 2008 models). I really hope for something like the Omni (as long as it's not Google-only).
first i thought, that i will buy the new O2 XDA Orbit 2 (HTC Touch Cruise).. but then i found O2 XDA Stellar (coming soon 26th November i hope ) and then
--> BOA
I WANT THIS THING!!!
so i think the HTC TyTN II - Kaiser will be the best phone at this time
It's all relative honestly. There is no one best phone right now.
I dislike the TyTN II because to me its too thick. I have the X800 Gloffish and think its a bettet device personally. I have been waiting for the Polaris and we shall see, but again that my preference.
I think the N95 is the best non WM device right now. I sell phones and nothing sells better and is more popular.
It comes down to what you are looking for in a phone. I cannot wait for the HP 914 personally.
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If yoou still have 1.5 months, if I were you, I'd wait for the new announcements of HTC (Q1 2008 models). I really hope for something like the Omni (as long as it's not Google-only).
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I had the HTC Herald for about a year now, and it's time to upgrade. I read about the HTC Omni, the specs on that gigantic "thing" is impressive. That thing is a mini laptop. I wouldn't even know how to answer a call on that thing, lol. It reminds me of the HTC Advantage regarding size. That Omni is not pocketable (at least for me, lol). E-Ten M800 let me down because of the 64ram instead of 128. I plan to get the kaiser in a few weeks. And besides, no matter what I get, several months down the road, something similar will come out that even better
yeah there is no best phone
one mans nightmare is another dream
if there was a best phone everybody with enough
money would own the same device
same goes for the "best" rom really
Menneisyys said:
I think you will want to wait for HTC to iron out the bugs with Kaiser.
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The Kaiser has the makings to be one of the best phone, if HTC were to pull out the thumb from their *ss and start fixing bugs. I am not very optimistic though. So far my impression of HTC is that they fix bugs by introducing new devices with these fixes incorporated and leave us unlucky beta-testers to rot. What they guarantee by doing so is that, while they probably get a lot of new customers, they loose many old ones...
Nobody here likes asus p750 it has more functionalities than kaiser it is fast too (see the alex review in modaco). But only problem is 64 mb ram.
o2's version of the Polaris ( Orbit 2/ Touch Cruise ). Really one sweet device, built in GPS, 128mb memory, 3MP auto focus cam + front facing cam for video calls etc, 400mhz CPU, 3G for speedy downloads and browsing where you carnt use wifi.
Absolutley one sexy device, this is my next phone and will be for many many ppl.
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Nobody here likes asus p750 it has more functionalities than kaiser it is fast too (see the alex review in modaco). But only problem is 64 mb ram.
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I do not recall 64 MB being a problem when this was the maximum memory available in phones. Now, with 128 MB models available this is suddenly a big issue. Both my previous WM phones, the Prophet (i-mate JAMin) and the Hermes (i-mate JASJAM) ran just fine with 64 MB. Note that these ran WM5. The Kaiser comes with 128 MB RAM and WM6. Is WM6 more demanding than WM5?
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Is WM6 more demanding than WM5?
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Nope, not really.
I personally think the TYTN II is quite up there right now in terms of WM....non WM i agree N95(8GB black !)....also the Sony Ericsson P1 is quite a device but has been overshadowed by WM....its got a 3.2 MP,128 RAM,256 ROM,wifi,Bluetooth 2 wid A2DP,runs the Symbian UIQ....
Well
It's a bit hard, what i would say is the ROM and RAM, personally i found HTC, O2 products are nearly perfect, but just RAM is not enough....so if they can increase the RAM capacity from common 64m to 128m or even higher...then i guess....WOW.....cuz you know as lately most products are already come with built-in GPS, ROM 256m, 1g, or even higher 2g(O2 Flame)....so the crucial part is RAM.....what do you think??
I own the Asus P750, HTC TyTN II, Nokia E90, Nokia N95 8GB, iPhone 8GB and others.
Regarding the GUI/OS/Usability, no phone beats the iPhone.
Regarding camera photo/video quality and size/weight, no phone beats the Nokia N95 8GB.
Regarding internet surfing/display quality(inner display)/keyboard, no phone beats the Nokia E90.
Regarding WM6, no phone beats the Asus P750 which is very fast and has compared to the HTC TyTN II a much better video capability, 64 MB RAM only isn't a real issue.
The Nokia N95 8GB is a very nice do-it-all phone but mostly our American friends seem to be impressed with it, simply because they didn't have the N80 or N95 in time to compare it with. Yes, the N95 8GB is an impressive piece of technology but I started to hate Symbian because of the non-professional, junkie surfboy GUI design look. Seriously, the Symbian guys must get their stuff straight because this is not a GUI design they should use on a fantastic hardware like the N95 8GB or the E90.
OS-wise, I tend to like the iPhone OS and WM6 more and more and if Microsoft succeeds in making WM7 more stable, faster and introducing new and intelligent functions, I'm sold.
A last word regarding the Asus P750: I'm a bit disappointed with the quality of this unit. The external quality is great, very Palm Treo 750-like, no problem here. Apparently there is something "loose" on my device because when I shake it, I hear that something inside the phone is moving. When I talk to somebody, the loudspeaker seems to vibrate with a high pitch trembling noise, like as something is loose and the sound of the loudspeaker makes it move stronger resulting in a very unpleasant secondary noise(sounds like a distortion in the speaker). I can't return the P750 anymore since my wife was clever enough to throw away the original package and the dealer refuses to take it back without it, which I can understand very well. Women...
I'm digging this soon to be one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367563
I'm a proud owner of Touch Cruise, I love it - simply
i've tried a lot of devices
but because speed,stability,hardware keyboard,GPS on board and big screens are must for me, i prefer kaiser
Similar specs, with few differences with pros and cons, BUT whats your choice and why?
I like kaiser. Elegant, bit bulky but decent. Excellent keyboard and tilt screen just look very sexy in your hand or on the table. I have installed HTC Cube and new HTC Album, so it is working as Touch. Not sure if there is anyhting which I want and exists in polaris but not in TyTn II.
POLARIS or KAISER .....
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Not sure if there is anyhting which I want and exists in polaris but not in TyTn II.
POLARIS or KAISER .....
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Yeah...kaiser has everything more than Polaris...even the size...
Am also torn between the two I sold my Kaiser last weekend abroad and wanting to buy a replacement. The long wait for polaris may even send me into the iMate ultimate den
The decision is very easy. If you need a keyboard as your typing the whole day, go for the kaiser. If you need something light and handy get the cruise. The 200g weight of the Kaiser is no joke, you feel it pulling in every pocket. Just try to carry around two 100g bars of chocolate the whole day. 50g less with the Polaris is a tremendous difference. I gave back my Kaiser because of this.
Polaris, because of the sunlight readable screen.
(But subject to seeing the actual device first!)
Dear Santa,
I would like one of each please!!
Polaris all the Life!
size first of all! amazing!
better LCD display!
I like so much the central weel.
all the rest is FUFFA! (for me obviously)
Bye
Kaiser has a keyboard that can also tilt...that is fragile!!! I can't imagine with all the vibration of the car while the tytn2 is attached to the car consolle.
Go for Polaris of course.
Polaris is my choice.....
- best case
- hardest display
- better design
- compact size
Polaris. Better screen than Kaiser, I think, without the weight, bulk and the 'formal' look.
Apart that Kaiser is ugly, big, thick and heavy everything seems to be ok. Not a match for polaris but ofcourse I don’t need or want a keyboard
Each year has his own dilemma:
Wizard / Prophet
TyTn / Trinity
Kaiser / Polaris
What will be the next?
Over the last years I never owned a device with a keyboard and I don't need a keyboard on my 'phone' either.
So my choice was easy, Polaris! I also happen to like the looks more and the fact it's less bulky is also a major pro in my eyes.
On the other hand the Kaiser is a very nice device and I guess if you need to do a lot of typing on the device that one would have a major advantage because of the keyboard.
Just the way you look at it, the lack of keyboard is very important to me in a positive way. For others it's very important in a negative way. (negative as in: not in favour of Polaris).
video problems??
Does anyone know if the polaris has the same lack of drivers that cripples the kaisers video playback?
I'm also stuck between the 2, currently have hermes + love it
I'm a current Artemis user and the wheel is a godsend!! I would definitely go for the Polaris (and pass the Artemis to my wife.. hehe)
Also, I don't need a keyboard and I kinda like the idea of flushed screen.
Most users should be able to decide between the 2 depending on their keyboard requirement..
Anyways, why so some of ya say the Polaris has a better screen? Can elaborate?
Thanks
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Does anyone know if the polaris has the same lack of drivers that cripples the kaisers video playback?
I'm also stuck between the 2, currently have hermes + love it
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I am not sure if it is lack of drivers problem but there will be no difference in this issue bettwen Polaris kai Kaiser.
pretty sure i read somewhere that the polaris has different hardware that makes the touchflo stuff work better on it. but im not 100%
MasK said:
Also, I don't need a keyboard and I kinda like the idea of flushed screen.
Most users should be able to decide between the 2 depending on their keyboard requirement..
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...and FM Radio.
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Anyways, why so some of ya say the Polaris has a better screen? Can elaborate?
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The Polaris screen will be the same as Touch. Compare the screen between Touch and Kaiser and you will figure out the answer by yourself!
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pretty sure i read somewhere that the polaris has different hardware that makes the touchflo stuff work better on it. but im not 100%
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The hardware is the same. The software is different (because it is a touch PPC). TouchFlo and Cube will work better because of the different screen, not the hardware inside tha device.
I too have heard the screen is different for the Touch/Cruise. How is it different? Can some ellaborate on the technical details and how they traslate to making the TouchFlo work better?
After using the TouchFlo features on the Kaiser/Tilt, I am not impressed. Quirky to the point that it is not even usable. I find it to be a novelty at best and too prone to swipes being "interpreted" as taps.
So how does the Cruise improve on this?
Hi , cant decide which of these phones to get. I'm getting either on 02 uk, anyone help me to decide which is better? (orbit2 or vario III).
Thankyou.
Stu.
kaiser got keyboard
poraris got fm radio and is suppose to have a mouch touchflow'ish screen
Yup, it's pretty much keyboard versus no keyboard. If you don't need it, save yourself the bulk and get it with a flush screen.
Touch Dual
I um'd and ahh'd bought the Kaiser (loved it) and just 2 days ago got the Niki, suffice to say the Kaiser is going on eBay (well i'll give it a few days more).
The niki vs the kaiser, lacks wifi, gps and full keyboard.
But, its so so sexier and cool, feels good and is awesome.
depending how much I can be bothered to spend I was considering a Nike. The polaris looks sweet (Next generation Artemis??) but the one thing id miss is a hardware keyboard.
Kaiser should be coming into its own soon with the driver situation looking a bit brighter but Baring in mind the next Hermes/Kaiser type device wont be that far away methinks (TyTN III?).
"The polaris looks sweet (Next generation Artemis??)"
well it looks kinda like artemis but under the hood they are not related much
polaris is pretty much as stated the same hardware as kaiser without the keyboard
and with fm radio
htc dont truely run families like that
some may look kinda alike
and others may have 100% the same insides
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This Dutch tech news website has cought some info about the driver issue not being fixed with drivers, but with patches to boost performance. They do however mention that it all comes from unverified sources, so it could be just some rumour, but it could be true aswell.
Original post: http://life.tweakers.net/nieuws/520...-om-prestatie-van-toestellen-te-verhogen.html
An attempt at an english translation: http://www.google.com/translate?u=h...te-verhogen.html&langpair=nl|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8