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I don't know much about TouchFLO and how much resources it would take up if I use it. I wanna cook it into a ROM but I... well... I just don't know if it's really worth it.
I'm using Slide2Unlock, ContactsManager, iPhone Lookalike, and even the iPhone_en phone skin. I'm doing this to prove to friends that you don't really need an iPhone to really get the awesome feeling.
So basically, TouchFLO is the last frontier (for now I guess). So guys, give me some feedback on resources, looks, feels, and what I should embrace or get ready for...
... I'm scared...
I have a Touch. All the TouchFLO apps are loaded at start up via \Windows\Startup and stay resident:
- biotouch.exe (behind-the-scenes app to activate/deactivate cube)
- APlauncher.exe (face of the cube that launches apps)
- MediaHubMini.exe (face of the cube that launches media apps/folders)
- QuickDial.exe (face of the cube for picture dialling)
I haven't done any tests on how much memory they use up, but odds-on it's a fair old whack. The UI seems to come up fairly quickly when I smear my thumb up the screen, so I'm guessing that they've tweaked the priority of the processes up a fair bit.
On the plus side, if it can run on a 201MHz OMAP, it can pretty much run on anything!
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I have a Touch. All the TouchFLO apps are loaded at start up via \Windows\Startup and stay resident:
- biotouch.exe (behind-the-scenes app to activate/deactivate cube)
- APlauncher.exe (face of the cube that launches apps)
- MediaHubMini.exe (face of the cube that launches media apps/folders)
- QuickDial.exe (face of the cube for picture dialling)
I haven't done any tests on how much memory they use up, but odds-on it's a fair old whack. The UI seems to come up fairly quickly when I smear my thumb up the screen, so I'm guessing that they've tweaked the priority of the processes up a fair bit.
On the plus side, if it can run on a 201MHz OMAP, it can pretty much run on anything!
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True. No offense meant mate, but 201Meg OMAPs are rather slow. Most other procs out there are faster, if not MUCH faster. However, some devices are still having difficulty porting the finger gestures. Zephus mate, what device are you using?
my apologies. Your using an 8125. Didn't notice that
Just remember the HTC Touch uses the 200M OMAP processor.
Well then doesn't seem like there would be much of a problem with overclocking a Wizard to >200. But I'm not really looking to use the cube, rather I just want to use finger scrolling and such around other pages. I believe TouchFLO allows that (I could be wrong...) but I'll try the cube anyway.
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Well then doesn't seem like there would be much of a problem with overclocking a Wizard to >200. But I'm not really looking to use the cube, rather I just want to use finger scrolling and such around other pages. I believe TouchFLO allows that (I could be wrong...) but I'll try the cube anyway.
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No siree. the finger scrolling is controlled by the touch.dll file in the windows folder. I am attaching it here, throw it in your windows folder and see if it works. if it doesnt, install the 4 exes and that should work but you do need touch.dll
as for the cube, I have a 8125 and the cubeis a bit laggy at reg speeds but if you use the dynamic oc from batterystatus ext and set to 247, the cube flows like it does on the touch.
let me figure out how to attach a file and youll have it in a second.
heres the touch.cab so you can install the whole package at once
and just the dll, throw it in your windows folder before you install the cab, soft reset and see if the scrolling starts working. if not, install the cab
Now scared of overwriting touch.
elmetal said:
and just the dll, throw it in your windows folder before you install the cab, soft reset and see if the scrolling starts working. if not, install the cab
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Well actually, I just can't seem to overwrite it just yet, not until I use Total Commander, but thanks though. This seems helpful to at least try it out until I cook it.
Yeah, touch.dll killed my screen on my Wizard. Had to "Clear Storage" to get it back up again. And the .cab with TouchFLO didn't contain the cube unfortunately. Oh well...
I'll just cook it as an experiment. Face my fears.
usually with activesync you can overwrite but if you got it workin there you go
Hello all,
I have just upgraded to Duttys N07 Touchflo.
And i have noticed something that i haven't before. Maybe it is a matter of this rom or it was already in the previous, or even in all of them
When i open the programs screen from the start menu, the scrolling speed and overall speed of opening another window is slower than the case that i open the programs window from the launchpad in htc home.
In the last case, the scrolling is really fast. It is almost incredibly fast.
Anyone has an explanation?
Thansk a lot
wjax said:
Hello all,
I have just upgraded to Duttys N07 Touchflo.
And i have noticed something that i haven't before. Maybe it is a matter of this rom or it was already in the previous, or even in all of them
When i open the programs screen from the start menu, the scrolling speed and overall speed of opening another window is slower than the case that i open the programs window from the launchpad in htc home.
In the last case, the scrolling is really fast. It is almost incredibly fast.
Anyone has an explanation?
Thansk a lot
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agreed. dutty is trying new things with each rom. my guess is with ever new rom he tries a diffrent combo of things. each have their pros and cons. but mostly it gets better and better. maybe he can tweak it out to bring back the speed in the menu browsing and scrolling. but what do you think about the overall speed of the rom? do you find it faster than the roms before it?
wjax said:
Hello all,
I have just upgraded to Duttys N07 Touchflo.
And i have noticed something that i haven't before. Maybe it is a matter of this rom or it was already in the previous, or even in all of them
When i open the programs screen from the start menu, the scrolling speed and overall speed of opening another window is slower than the case that i open the programs window from the launchpad in htc home.
In the last case, the scrolling is really fast. It is almost incredibly fast.
Anyone has an explanation?
Thansk a lot
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When you open "programs" from htc home you actually launch a different program.
Thats why there is a difference in the scrolling speed.
It has been asked before, so do a search.
The 3D driver of the Samsung Omnia was extracted and posted here on the Kaiser forum a few weeks ago. I decided to give it a try and it's amazing.
Mobile Shell is a lot more fluid and TF3D is more fluid (especially scrolling).
Grab it here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416474
I'm installing as we speak will post results tomorrow
I don't find it any faster... I think the speed in scrolling speed is because it skips some frames and when performing upward gesture in Home screen the clock animation lacks a bit.
However a couple of VGA games I tried seems better now...
marios96 said:
I don't find it any faster... I think the speed in scrolling speed is because it skips some frames and when performing upward gesture in Home screen the clock animation lacks a bit.
However a couple of VGA games I tried seems better now...
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For me the scrolling in the picture and programs tab is a lot smoother.
wait....i thought the diamond and the TP HAD the drivers missing from the kaiser/mogul???....
yerp said:
wait....i thought the diamond and the TP HAD the drivers missing from the kaiser/mogul???....
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I thought the same thing, but these drivers seem to pump up performance.
spb animations seem better to me as well.
Just try the also provided Omnia 3D examples and you will see that the drivers make your 3D performance slower!
TDO
Agreed ive also tried this driver (whilst developing the elite stuff) and found performance to be reduced, a simple benchmark in TCPMP/Coreplayer will show this.
Delve deeper if you feel like it with spb-benchmark as I havent looked at it yet, the TP and Diamond have thier own drivers already cooked into the ROMs so there really isnt any need afaik. Perhaps on other devices it may make a difference so dont rule out it improving devices like the kaiser or polaris for example.
TDO said:
Just try the also provided Omnia 3D examples and you will see that the drivers make your 3D performance slower!
TDO
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check Text3D app on my device it's a big difference
also Billboard app is running slower with omnia drivers
the main difference is not in speed, but in image quality
melcul said:
check Text3D app on my device it's a big difference
also Billboard app is running slower with omnia drivers
the main difference is not in speed, but in image quality
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A simple software based renderer can render AMAZING 3D images .... sacrificing speed surely the intention of a tweak is to improve quality without slowing down the FPS and vice versa??
I've put my touch pro with this drivers head to head with a diamond with the HTC's drivers. All samsung 3D demos run with the same speed on both devices, but the quality on Touch Pro was much better. The tiger was more realistic, you couldn'see the lighting in the Lighting demo in Diamond and you couldn't read anything in the 3d Text. Billboard however run slower (a lot slower) on touch pro...
I don't know ofcourse how trustworthy are this results, as samsung demos should work better with samsung drivers.
And let's not forget that Qualcomm is Samsung after all.
Wouldn't surprise me if they release better drivers for their inhouse machines.
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I've put my touch pro with this drivers head to head with a diamond with the HTC's drivers. All samsung 3D demos run with the same speed on both devices, but the quality on Touch Pro was much better. The tiger was more realistic, you couldn'see the lighting in the Lighting demo in Diamond and you couldn't read anything in the 3d Text. Billboard however run slower (a lot slower) on touch pro...
I don't know ofcourse how trustworthy are this results, as samsung demos should work better with samsung drivers.
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nice reviews ...
if only we could find a general type of tests to perform, then we could deduce or conclude much better for the 2 drivers ...
I have the impression everything runs a bit smoother with these drivers. e.g. scrolling within resco explorer...
Ok, ran some more test.
- Uninstalled the drivers, softreset
- Mobile shell gets choppier again, really the difference is there, the animation of the "cubes" coming out is a lot smoother with the drivers installed
- Scrolling trough "pictures" in TF3D goes slower
- Scrolling trough "programs" in TF3D is slower (not the "all programs" but in the shortcuts)
- 3D test apps, everything running smooth but in lower quality, text not readable on the 3D text and lights not visible on the "lights" app.
- Reinstalled the drivers, softreset
- Mobile shell animations a lot smoother
- Scrolling trough pictures and programs, again smoother, the menus of TF3D come up smoother too.
- 3D test apps: Billboard going slower, the rest smooth and higher quality, lot more details. Overall nicer looking. Text readable on "3D text" and light visible on the "lights" app
So if i get this right: these drivers seem to enable better 3D software acceleration and that works well as long as the hardware is able to cope with it?
Another thing: it's been over a day and untill now i had no "broken glass" error, which i usually have almost every day when i work with TF3D enabled. Could someone confirm this? Edit: Broken glass still appearing.
Ok, i've tried alot of things now and I simply cannot confirm that this works.
I can confirm that, yes SOME of the 3d tests done above does seem to look better (not faster), except the Billboard one which is super slow (and looks the same).
I've fiddled with fatfs cache settings, file system cache filter settings and now this driver.
I have NOT noticed ANY difference in speed AT ALL.
But TF3D is pretty smooth anyway, so it doesnt really bother me.
ROM Version 1.90.403.6 DAN (danish)
ROM Date: 08/23/08
Radio Version: 1.02.25.19
Protocol Version: 52.33.25.17U
GPS Antenna: 07/09/08, REV.EU01
My Raphael accepted new driver very well photos,programs and music are smoother..
noticed any incompatibilities yet?
(I think there is at least one but can't remember where I read about it)
nothing at all, but I have problem with Program Tab in TF3D since I installed Calendar TAB..Programs Tab freezes and soft reset is needed
Just curious, because I like the close-to-generic Today screen setup I use on my Mogul, and perhaps the speed is optimized without TouchFlo. I wouldn't want to lose speed or practicality for an ICI
TheBundo said:
Just curious, because I like the close-to-generic Today screen setup I use on my Mogul, and perhaps the speed is optimized without TouchFlo. I wouldn't want to lose speed or practicality for an ICI
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Yes, I was so accustomed to using Wisbar Advances with Pocket Breeze and Pocket Weather that I finally put them on my TP and turned of the TF3D -- debated quite awhile before doing so because I like the TF3D interface, just found my other configuration "more comfortable" to use. As for speed, it's hard to tell -- the non-TF configuration is quite snappy and I rarely have to wait, but my TF3D configuration was always snappy too -- didn't really feel it was slow and it would be hard to say that w/o it my TP is any faster.
yes, I turned touchflo off. I use spb mobile shell. just because it's so much better/easier to use!
If it's faster? I have no idea...but it run's veeeery smootly @ the moment!
I was wondering the same thing.... I loved the HTC Home program on my HTC Artemis and I can't get quite into TF3D...
Is there a VGA version of HOME??
Same here. Disabled Touch3DFlo and installed Spb Mobileshell.
But I don't see any changes whatever the speed.
I'm surprised to see so many people disabling touchflo, yet those without it are usually trying to get it. I loved TF3D and the standard windows mobile just seems so boring.
I disable TF3D few days before, and reuse it when I meet "Second Today".
Faster than enable? No, same, as same as slow.
It seems that without tf3d is a little bit faster, but not very much. TF3D was the most beautiful interface I saw in a wm device, and it resisted the longest but after the wow-factor depleted I still got back to the very functionally SPB Pocket Plus.
With these settings it runs almost as fast as my old eten m700 with tb_tb firmware. Some screen redrawing is visible from time to time and screen realigns after 3 seconds - very slow - to landscape mode when opening keyboard, but in rest is sure fast. Now for some 3D games utilizing the 3D card in the qualcom chipset?
I'm thinking of removing the TF3D but I don't know where to download the SPB mobile shell? I can only find one page but I actually have to pay for the software? Isn't it opensource / freeware?
No, it's not freeware.
I just want 'HTC HOME' back!
But what if you do want to install TF3D? Can you download it somewhere?
I would like to get rid of some items, that are installed during the installation of TF3D. Now it is not so hard to install without TF3D (and not having those nasty's) But i like TF3D, so i would like to install this afterwards.
the same, disabled touchlo, installed SPB mobile shell...also, the email and sms wien in touchlo was very uncomfortable for me, if i was looking for some email, i had to scroll through all of them
I really dont remember how fast it was, but withouth it its fast enough for me (i had htc P3300 before and that was slow as hell)
No ideas where to find TF3D? I think it's not illegal, because i already am running TF3D. It's just that i don't want the 'extra's'
does anybody know how to enable the scrollingfunction in Tomeraider?
on my ex HD there was no problem with scrolling, on my new HD2 it works only
in the Index of Tomeraider.
I use Tomeraider since years on all my HTC's with a 4GB Wiki with pictures without this scrolling issue and on very long articles it is hard to scroll with the slider.
I have temporary installed FtouchSL, then the scrolling is back but the soft is not 100% compatible with the HD2.(i think)
is there a regkey to activate the scrolling ?
in Notes the scrolling also doesn't work.
On my german hd2 it is working.
In index with kinetic scroll inside an article I can scroll but not kinetic, which is a little bit unconvinient if you are used to kinetic scrolling.
My rom is 1.48
TR is installed on the storage card
Best regards,
dingolino
Flapflapflap said:
does anybody know how to enable the scrollingfunction in Tomeraider?
on my ex HD there was no problem with scrolling, on my new HD2 it works only
in the Index of Tomeraider.
I use Tomeraider since years on all my HTC's with a 4GB Wiki with pictures without this scrolling issue and on very long articles it is hard to scroll with the slider.
I have temporary installed FtouchSL, then the scrolling is back but the soft is not 100% compatible with the HD2.(i think)
is there a regkey to activate the scrolling ?
in Notes the scrolling also doesn't work.
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my ROM is also 1.48
Kinetic scrolling works in the index like a charm, but in the articles i have only the slider for scrolling.
when i want to use fingerscrolling only textselection occurs.