Can someone tell me what is the difference between the builds
Is 1 more stable? either 1 is more superior... what is the difference?
InGeNeTiCs' 15.2.318 OS v3.8
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Pandora's Box 15.2.1413 OS v3.2
if someone can explain the diference betwen
B15341 and B15342 i apreciate too
nycelitemaster said:
Can someone tell me what is the difference between the builds
Is 1 more stable? either 1 is more superior... what is the difference?
InGeNeTiCs' 15.2.318 OS v3.8
vs
Pandora's Box 15.2.1413 OS v3.2
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Ok, let me take a shot at this...
15.2.318 Build 15341 is an "Official" Wizard WM6 rom with a date of February 2006. This is the basis for the Faria "the real thing" rom and his Kitchen. This is a Microsoft "Dogfood" rom, (ie: Microsoft was building WM6 for devices that didn't exist yet, so they used an existing device (the Wizard) to do initial development work, and this was one of those roms. The Faria version is the only version of this rom I'm aware of, and while it was not a port from some other device (it was created for the Wizard), Faria modified it to work better.
15.2.318 Build 15342 (InGeNeTiCs) is a newer "Official" Wizard Wm6 rom with a date of August 2006. Again, this is a Microsoft "Dogfood" and we came about getting this rom from a guy that came over from HowardForums named InGeNeTiCs (thus the name giving him credit). There are many forms of this rom. The initial form of this rom was straight off his phone, and could not be used on any other device (supposedly he got this upgraded by someone at Microsoft) as it had stuff to make sure it was running only on his phone. After some hacking we figured out how to remove this. There was a rom released with only this stuff removed, and then I released a version that had that removed, some other phone home stuff I found, and added in MMS and a few other things to make it more usable. This was a "beta" build but turned out to be very fast and stable (Seemed faster than the Faria 'the real thing' and the Faria vanilla in the kitchen) and had MUCH better battery life. There are many that still run this as their base rom.
Numerous other roms started coming out at this time based off if this build, after I released XM6, and mattk_r started producing a base and oem packages for it in his Ingenetics kitchen. Note, XM6, mattk_r's stuff, and most of the others are based on InGeNeTiCs, but a lot of things have been upgraded and replaced from various places, so the base may be "official" but a lot of the guts have been replaced from other places. To me (IMO) this is a VERY stable rom for a base, and why I build on it (same with Faria's 15341 vanilla).
Faria then released his latest rom which turned out to be the same build (15.2.318 Build 15342). It is NOT based on the InGeNeTiCs work, as its a rom he had and had worked on (he had hinted earlier he had something newer but couldn't release it, and I'm guessing he released it once he saw the InGeNeTiCs one had been leaked and broken). Again, this is a Faria build, so it has been tweaked and all with his spices and herbs. Good rom, but I didn't feel it was as fast or had as good of battery life as the InGeNeTiCs version (not sure why).
Any ROM after 15.2.318 so far (so 15.2.1413 is included) are ROMs that are for other devices, that have been reworked to work on the Wizard device (I think most of these were done by mUn). A lot of the internal parts of WM6 seem to be the same, but newer roms, had newer add on features and stuff (Office 2007, Arcsoft 4.0, newer Camera, etc). I'm sure there are probably bug fixes in later builds, but I think a lot of the later builds are more for supporting newer hardware (3G and stuff). Some of the newer builds have been made very stable by excellent chefs (Xplore is a prime example of this. The mUn rom was very good, but had numerous issues with Wifi and the like. Xplore is a very fast and very stable version of that rom build now).
So the main difference has to do with anything after 318 is a port of a rom from another device. Not necessarily bad, but usually it means there will probably be some quirks with it since its not native for the Wizard (some of the internals may not match up with the drivers and such that we have available). But there are some great roms built off of 15.2.1413 and while I haven't played with any (yet) since I've focused on 15.2.318 recently, Newer things like TouchFlo and all seems to work better (although I think Whiterat and mattk_r have resolved some issues in 15.2.318 and TouchFlo is now working well there, but still in beta).
you are the man!!!
thanks for the leason!
Thanks a lot. After reading anything on this forum for the last 4 months and flashing numerous roms i finally understand the diiference between base-roms. Thanks again!
This should be pinned ... excellent explanation. I knew which were newer but didn't realize they were from other phones (thought they all were lol)
Excellent history lesson!!! Thanks!
One more name had to be mentioned i think, and that is Zoki with his NBD - outstanding rom has always had the latest apps and features and only a few bugs. His last version 7.4 is awesome with just one issue regarding BT.
Mfrazzz
Nice explanation, i have some hint on that but your explaining is "explaining", nice writeup!.
thanks.
icezar said:
Excellent history lesson!!! Thanks!
One more name had to be mentioned i think, and that is Zoki with his NBD - outstanding rom has always had the latest apps and features and only a few bugs. His last version 7.4 is awesome with just one issue regarding BT.
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But does Zoki do something different with the base? This thread isn't about which custom ROM to use but asking what the difference is between the OS build at the base of all of these custom ROMs.
Thanks for the information,
mrfrazzz
You are the man. Great analysis. Thanks !!
I just wanted to say that the "Dog food" ROM is faster than the old releases.
Related
I know many of you may think this is based on opinion, but personally I'm new at the scene and just tried Faria's WWE WM6 ROM (the real thing) featured at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297762 .
My original reason for installing was cause my 8125's OS started lagging lately for some reason (it would take a few seconds for menus and items to show up instead of being instant). In addition, battery life was HORRIBLE (would die in around 2 days). So I went and downloaded Faria's WWE WM6 ROM (the real thing). Installation was easy, the ROM worked great, my battery life greatly improved (even though I overclocked to 247 with cpuscaling at 143).
Unfortunately, I messed around too much and accidentally killed my phone application , not to mention the OS has started to lag (probably because I installed too many things?).
Either way, I'm looking to download a new ROM. I want something that has all the features of Faria's HTC Wizard Rom (the real thing), and more. I don't care too much about extra space, because frankly I don't need it. I just want something that's fast and feature-packed (and includes everything from Faria's ROM). Any tips or suggestions? Help would really be appreciated, as I've just gone through 3 ROMS that I didn't like. Thanks.
try explore rom it prob more of the lines your looking for
Try this one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299821&highlight=Faria
I have tried many different ROM's, I keep going back to this one. It's the most stable for me.
Core 2.0n
For me, the best WM6 rom is the Core 2.0n (based on XPlore 1.0)
Thephone is very fast (boot in 35 seconds), no bugs, working well with TomTom6.
I'm only waiting a full French WM6 rom
for months of WM6.0 use; Faria is the best for stable.
im testing Pandora 1.05 right now.
From all of the ROMs that I have used. I think Faria is the best one. it's very stable.
pfff i think its best for me:
base version of Pandora:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307080
and core 2.0 of coz.
Faria's overloaded imo.
i like reloaded
Faria The Real Thing is most stable for me
soft reset everyday, to remove the slow down due to any memory leaks
and I'm gonna buck the trend here, wm6 is SLOW. use a 2.26 if you want a quick one
two day battery life sounds good some people think one day is good others, several days (but it depends how much you use it).
bbobeckyj said:
soft reset everyday, to remove the slow down due to any memory leaks
and I'm gonna buck the trend here, wm6 is SLOW. use a 2.26 if you want a quick one
two day battery life sounds good some people think one day is good others, several days (but it depends how much you use it).
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yawn.zzz nap attack.
nothin said:
yawn.zzz nap attack.
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you big meanie
goofeyass said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299821&highlight=Faria
I have tried many different ROM's, I keep going back to this one. It's the most stable for me.
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I am completely of agreement with you.
From all of the ROMs that I have used. I think Faria "The Real Thing" is the best one. And Xplore 1.1, too.
pdaviet rom
pdaviet by phamquang for me
5.2.1413 fast
Hi,
i have been using Xplore 2.0n and it is great.
Its near Full Vanilla, but it supports AD2P and most of the basics.
The new 5.2.1413 build is FAAASSTTT, and there are FULL VANILLA releases, nevertheless, i was unable to set AD2P.
If there is a fix for ad2p, i will surely switch to 5.2.1413 because it is way way faster than Xplore 2.0n
Draegloth said:
I used Core 2.0 and that was the best of all, so I flesh it again
http://world5.monstersgame.co.uk/?ac=vid&vid=59040023 where...
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****...am i turning into a vampire now ? ROTFL
I agree. i have been on this fourum reading for a while now. I recently desided to become a member.
For the prize core 2 definatly gets my vote. it has been the most stable. doesn't require soft or hard resets.
i belive by far the best yet....
I know you chefs are always on the grind trying to make better.
Appreciated :}
I have a quick question...
Which one is newer/better?
Faria's WWE WM6 Rom ?
Or Faria's HTC Wizard Final ROM with Pro Kitchen?
shadezero said:
I have a quick question...
Which one is newer/better?
Faria's WWE WM6 Rom ?
Or Faria's HTC Wizard Final ROM with Pro Kitchen?
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The ROM Kitchen is the newer version of Faria's rom, and its vanilla, but you can add stuff into it. My Crossbow Reloaded (link below) is a cooked version of this rom with stuff added to it and a few fixes I put into it.
As the title really - since HTC and various carriers have now released Official WM6 ROMs for some devices (Hermes, Herald etc), is anyone working on porting one of these over to the Wizard?
The build of the Official Hermes ROM is 5.2.1437 (Build 17944), I am sure a lot of Wizard users would like to see this, me included
Andy
yep..i'd like to see it too
eluth is doing so with the Herald/T-Mo Wing ROM.
nice to hear...
i must ask: what is the point?
to get to land of unstability?
what gain you are predicting....
Nothin, I'm inclined to agree. 15342 is the most stable build I've used yet. The Herald ROM doesn't even have Office 2003, VoIP or even the latest Windows Live. The only advantage I can think of is that the XIP section from the Herald perhaps allows you to pack more into the ROM. This is borne out by the fact that the Herald has the same amount of memory as the Wizard, yet the dump shows up around 135 mb on disk which is way more than the Wizard .nb can handle without thowing an error in build_imgfs.
If anyone can do it, eluth probably can, but I don't think many people will be joining in developing this one. I just lost my Wizard and though I have a brand new one coming , it's probably a G4 and I have a little catching up to do on that end before I can even think of something of this magnitude.
nothin said:
i must ask: what is the point?
to get to land of unstability?
what gain you are predicting....
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I was thinking to maybe increase stability.....
I agree 15342 is probably the most stable release so far, however up until these official releases everthing so far has been pre-release stuff that has been leaked whether it was originally from a Wizard or not.
I still have issues with 15342, plus a lot of the underlying software is at least a year old. I would just like something new to play with......
Andy
any update if anyone working on the Official Release from HTC for Hermes / Dopod 838 pro / etc?
It is nice if we can feel the stability of this official release. Thanks.
Does anybody have a link to an extracted version of one of these roms? By extracted, I mean the actual files and rgu's.
This is what I am running on my Wizard and in my opinion, it is by far the best and fastest. No problems, Microsoft voice command is built in and works perfect. WiFi connects without a hitch, Bluetooth pairs and stays connected.....It is missing MMS and has office 2003. If you need MMS, there are many versions posted that you can add.
http://rapidshare.com/users/T4RZX2
the file to download is nk.nbf:
http://rapidshare.com/files/36233948/nk.nbf
alexanderi said:
any update if anyone working on the Official Release from HTC for Hermes / Dopod 838 pro / etc?
It is nice if we can feel the stability of this official release. Thanks.
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I think you are dreaming. You are talking about rting a rom from one device (yes where it is stable) to another, then grafting drivers for the wizard onto it plus whatever else it will take/need and then you think it will be stable? 15431 and 15432 only became stable through lots of work and trial and error. I'm still not convinced they are any more stable thann the "official" 318 rom (and that isn't as stable as it was originally due to the updating and grafting done in most of those).
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for porting, but don't expect a stable rom on one device to keep the stability on another device.
BTW: I still think a lot of the newer WM6 builds have nothing new in them other than support for newer hardware or specifics for a carrier.
mfrazzz said:
I think you are dreaming. You are talking about rting a rom from one device (yes where it is stable) to another, then grafting drivers for the wizard onto it plus whatever else it will take/need and then you think it will be stable? 15431 and 15432 only became stable through lots of work and trial and error. I'm still not convinced they are any more stable thann the "official" 318 rom (and that isn't as stable as it was originally due to the updating and grafting done in most of those).
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for porting, but don't expect a stable rom on one device to keep the stability on another device.
BTW: I still think a lot of the newer WM6 builds have nothing new in them other than support for newer hardware or specifics for a carrier.
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Ok, thanx for the advice. I am too, currently stick to the clean Official wizard ROM, which found to be most stable and fast. Though, I have tested a lot of ROM out there.
I don't know how well a ROM from another device would work on ours but over in the Hermes corner which might be the brother of ours. Cingular calls ours the 8125 and the Hermes 8525. They have a new OFFICIAL AT&T Windows Mobile 6 Rom that has them all shook up. There have been 20 pages of posts in 2 days.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317339
it's nothing special...basically what we already had, but with all the cingular add-on stuff... like Push to Talk and stuff... and it's bloated to death...lol..
What was the release date?
7/10/07 .. it wasnt officially released, it's a leak... but thats the ROM date .. came with a new RADIO too 1.48..
Sounds good, much newer than the one over here. Good luck with it.
The only thing that i like about it is the fact that i can now have wm6 with a working PTT
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This is what I am running on my Wizard
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Does it expose any problems at all?
I guess you must have done a lot of registry fixes, right? I mean, Hermes uses different driver stacks (I assume) and most probably they require different settings, which are device specific..
I would really try this out (especially because it solves the BT re-pairing problem), but firstly I wanted to make sure it is of minor risk and to understand what might be the time investment to get it to work.
is there a stable wm6 rom that features wifi and bluetooth support???
because all the roms iv'e tried recently lacked the support of either bluetooth or wifi or both...
the only stable rom i tried was the crossbow one but that did not offer the toutch apps or anything..and became highly unstable after installing all the cabs i needed like the home plug and touch flow cube
so is there any rom or kitchen out there that does support these features???
my wizard is a g3
and is unlocked
curious...which ROMs have you tried recently that lacked support for bluetooth or wifi.....i thought that was pretty standard in every ROM....
ive tried nbd 8.1,8.2,8.3,9.0,9.1 the 8 series were better than the 9 series because the 8 series sometimes worked fine
tried wizard retouched rom no bt giving the error after searching for devices
tried blackdiamond 2.0 no wifi and sometimes bt but most times errrors
just flashed to xda wm6 v3 so im trying this one out for a few days...
mfrazz's ROM's have always been incredibly stable for me. I've tried numerous others, such as NBD 8.3, 9.0, BlackDiamond 2.0, and have had issues with all of those. XM6 on the other hand has been nothing but stable or me.
hmmm...you should probably try whiterats or theloon custom roms or build your own with one of the many kitchens out there. i have been between the two on my wizards for awhile now and i have yet to experience issues with BT or WiFi
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mfrazz's ROM's have always been incredibly stable for me. I've tried numerous others, such as NBD 8.3, 9.0, BlackDiamond 2.0, and have had issues with all of those. XM6 on the other hand has been nothing but stable or me.
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I second that. XDA mobile 6 r3 is rock solid for me.
mfrazz's ROM's
The Best Roms......for Me Atleast
8125
yes after a few hours trying the xda rom i think thats one of the most stable roms out there i just wish for a kitchen of this one its stable and its fast not the bling bling touch rom but a stable and fast wm6 one thanks for pointing this one out
try singh mobile 6, it has NO bugs, they have all been fixed, ive been running it for a while no, havenot found any flaws yet
just flashed to xda 6.3 and ill think im gonna stick to that one just installed home plugg-in and both my bluetooth and wifi are running fine and fast just the way it should be also the bluetooth connection speed is much higher than with some other roms ivé tried recently
dazzle999 said:
yes after a few hours trying the xda rom i think thats one of the most stable roms out there i just wish for a kitchen of this one its stable and its fast not the bling bling touch rom but a stable and fast wm6 one thanks for pointing this one out
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I can look at releasing the OEM / SYS / ROM folders for XM6r3 if people want that. As for the kitchen itself (the tools) I use HyperCore (so you just put the OEM / SYS / ROM folders in the Build area). You should be able to drop these folders into any Kitchen (with slight modifications, like the name of the .nb file in the ROM folder as various kitchens want it named various ways, but you just rename it).
You can do similar by just using HyperCore to dump the nk.nbf and then packagetool it. I just tried that myself on the XM6r3 full and it appears to ahve pulled apart. Only thing is that most of my OEM entries are in the SYS folder for some reason after it finished.
stable rom
i´m testing octaivoi 4.5 and dont fail, this looks so stable works bt, wifi, cam, dont freeze and works with 3th part apps
i have flashed bd 3.0 and it works great wir bluetoothwacht and its a great rom too
The best rom without doubt I have tried TNT 5 HTC PROFESSIONAL http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=328917
i think u should try several roms to figure out which one is best suitable for ur equiment
the easiest kitchen in my opinion is farias the rom is also very stable
stable rom
stable rom --> tested wifi an bluetooht --> ICTDifrentie ROM
greats antonius
Hehe what have i told you , everyone has different opinions.
Can i close this thread now ?
Core2.0n = Stable!! -> Close thread.
anichillus said:
Hehe what have i told you , everyone has different opinions.
Can i close this thread now ?
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The most stable rom is Core2.0n. Never freezes!
Close the thread!!
yeah close the thread im sticking with xda this is the most stable on my hardware and why should i change a winning horse so im sticking to this one and waiting for mfrazzz to cook up a next release before im changing roms again
but it was a nice thread reading all your reactions also for the cookers out there it's nice to know that on some machines the roms i did not like worked perfect for other people...happy cooking end keep giving us new stuff!!!
There seems to be a plethora of ROMs out there, all using different CE OS and build versions, and with different software installed. I'm sure each one suits different people in different ways, and there isn't a "best" one out there, but is there any comparison information anywhere such as which is faster, more stable, most free space, versions of OS and build. If not, how about people post their preference of ROM and reasons for the choice here to help newcomers make an informed decision without having to flash 23 different ROMs only to find they should have stuck with the original
Iain_Benson said:
There seems to be a plethora of ROMs out there, all using different CE OS and build versions, and with different software installed. I'm sure each one suits different people in different ways, and there isn't a "best" one out there, but is there any comparison information anywhere such as which is faster, more stable, most free space, versions of OS and build. If not, how about people post their preference of ROM and reasons for the choice here to help newcomers make an informed decision without having to flash 23 different ROMs only to find they should have stuck with the original
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"It's all about if you flash new ROM every second or third day."
To be honest, go through the forum and you will find speed comparisons (SPB Benchmark), OS and Radio version differences and any other answers.
BTW I'm using Alex's HTC UltraClean ROM v4 with OS 5.2.1620 build 18125.0.4.2
and soon to be moving to Quentin's Q-Mobile v1.2 OS 5.2.1948 Build 18548.0.7.0
Cheers.
Unfortunately no one can tell you which ROM to use. The best thing to try them and see which one works best for you based on what's included. From what I've seen in the benchmark there hasn't been that much of a difference to say one ROM works better than the other (for cooked ROMs). The difference I think wouldn't make much difference when you're using the device unless it's a huge gap in the benchmark.
With that said, I've been using Alex's ROM (used his v4 cooking kit) and it worked great for me. I recently flashed Quentin Q-Mobile v1.2 and it's been working great so far. I tend to stick with ROMs compatible with radio v1.27.14.07 as it works best for me. I've tried other ROMs but reception is normally not the best. So that's one main point for me. I normally like to install my own software so that's why I've been using Alex's ROM kitchen. When Q-Mobile v1.2 came out recently the included apps were all things I used so that came in very handy.
Again, just try the ROMs and see what you like. I'm not a big fan of the touchflo cube so I stay away from those ROMs... doesn't mean I didn't try it.
Hi,
I recently started flashing and am currently running an optimised 6.1 stock ROM with the build number 20764.
Now I noticed there are some builds which seem to be quite far ahead like #21051 and for 6.5 even #21820. This is quite a difference, at least in numeric terms and I would usually assume there were some major changes respectively important fixes.
Is this true? Would it be generally recommended to upgrade to at least #21051 (for 6.1)?
Thank you.
Hi,
Different roms will have builds depending on there release date, what device the cooked rom has been ported from etc. Generally newer builds have more functionality but can tend to be buggy (not always thanks to great chefs) as the rom was intended (in its raw state) for a different device.
THat said, the current Rom im on with my HD has a much newer build (from rodium/topaz) than the stock 1.56 or 1.14 for the HD.
Why not try a cooked one and reap the benfits, if you dont like it, try another, or another or just flash back stock?
Thanks, I know by trial and error you can often find a solution, but so far I tried a 6.5 and two 6.1 ROMs (the second being more or less a stock one however optimised), but none really impressed me in terms of performance compared to the original stock ROM. Basically I didnt find them really to perform faster.
I have to admit I am not really a WM expert (my first experience was a WM 5 Wizard) but I am wondering whether I could still tweak/improve the overall performance to be a bit more fluid by simply choosing the right ROM (or installing possibly lacking drivers).
Also I wondering whether an upgrade from the current #20764 to a more recent build (like #21051 or even 6.5) would be recommended.
Thanks again.
Does nobody else have some comments or ideas?