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Can't get rid of Oxios CloseApp/Hibernate, please help!

Hello All,
I am running
ROM: TNT.1933 TouchFLO Edition
I/SPL is 2.25
Radio is 2.19.11 and
OS is 11.0.0.1
TNT comes with Oxios Hibernate and CloseApps, which seems to have very naughty behavior on my system. I can only ever open one application, even if I just switch to “Today” from an open app, the app I was in closes (not shown in Task Manager, truly closed). This stinks. Tried to delete the .exe files, but can’t – they’re marked as “ROM” and “READ ONLY” and can’t make a change to those – just reverts right back. Also can’t kill the prog via task manager because it doesn’t show up there. Please please please tell me how to get rid of this program bundle – I really really hate it!
Thanks!
-tynk-

Both oxious closeapp and hibernate only do something when YOU run them...they run once and exit...the difference between the two is closeapps tries to close ALL apps...hibernate tries to free as much memory as it can without closing any apps.
Neither would be closing any apps without your knowledge.

that's what I thought, too!
But soft reset or shutdown/restart, and upon loading the today screen, the progs up and running (can see the closeapps bars in upper left corner of the screen). I checked startup and it isn't in there (even checked "show all files" in case it's hidden, but nothing).
From my research (yes, I did try figuring this out on my own - other than a couple mentions of instability with these two progs and WM6, there wasn't any good help to be found ), I thought if I didn't click on either icon, it wouldn't start but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
They are somehow loading/starting automatically, so even if I could change the attributes so they were 'delete-able', if I can't get them to stop running (again, neither is visible in taskmanager), I won't be able to delete them! Arrrggg!
Thanks for the response, though! Any other thoughts?

First, any programs built into the rom can NOT be removed. You could create dummy files (create a blank text file and rename it to the name of the file you want to "remove" and it will be used instead of the one in the rom).
For them to be starting automatically as you claim, then there has to be either a link for them in the \Windows\Startup folder, or an entry in the registry (look in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\init , or just do a search with a registry editor).
But as Famewolf indicated, what you are describing is NOT how either of these programs work. They don't stay in memory and continue to run. You start them, they try to free up memory (in two different ways depending on which one you run) and then put up a dialog to show you what they did. After you close the dialog then they exit.
I'm not doubting the behavior you are seeing on your phone, but I am doubting that you are looking in the right direction claiming that the Oxios apps are causing this. As I tell people that run my own roms... If things don't work for you, then switch to a different rom. Also, if you've installed ANYTHING on the rom, then make sure what you have installed is working properly and isn't what is causing the issue. If you hardreset or reflash, and do NOT install anything else, do you still see this same behavior?
Finally, due to the odd nature of your problem, did you by chance install the rom, then do some sort of restore from like spb backup or sprite backup or similar? If so, you've most likely screwed up the registry as you can not restore a backup from one rom to another one.
Good luck, and hope maybe this helps you in figuring out what is going on.

famewolf said:
Both oxious closeapp and hibernate only do something when YOU run them...they run once and exit...
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NOT TRUE!
oxios with skull icon(i forgot its name, because i am not using it, only hibernate..)WILL close ANY app that is running in background!!!!!
so be aware of this.,

nothin said:
NOT TRUE!
oxios with skull icon(i forgot its name, because i am not using it, only hibernate..)WILL close ANY app that is running in background!!!!!
so be aware of this.,
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guys, both of you are right
first, both oxios apps will be started after the request from the user, then do their job and exit. The skull-one will close apps, the snowflake (or what it is) will free memory. But none of the application will be running in background, closing everything the user starts

His observation is correct, silly as it may sound.
For a long time i wondered why my apps would keep closing (i was using mbutton so i could see which apps were open), as soon as i opened another app, the app which went to background would get closed, even though I would have plenty of program memory free. I started tracking the reason for this and soon found out that this behaviour started as soon as i executed oxios hibernate. It would keep happening until i did a soft-reset, after which the system would work fine until (guess what!) i ran the hibernate app again!
Best thing to do is get the sktools lite version and use its free ram shortcut. Or better yet, forget about free ram at all, remove all indicators on your today screen etc etc, and surprisingly you'll never be worried about free ram and your system will work smoothly enough. If you're so worried about free ram, schedule your system to automatically soft reset once a day during the night.

ammarr said:
His observation is correct, silly as it may sound.
For a long time i wondered why my apps would keep closing (i was using mbutton so i could see which apps were open), as soon as i opened another app, the app which went to background would get closed, even though I would have plenty of program memory free. I started tracking the reason for this and soon found out that this behaviour started as soon as i executed oxios hibernate. It would keep happening until i did a soft-reset, after which the system would work fine until (guess what!) i ran the hibernate app again!
Best thing to do is get the sktools lite version and use its free ram shortcut. Or better yet, forget about free ram at all, remove all indicators on your today screen etc etc, and surprisingly you'll never be worried about free ram and your system will work smoothly enough. If you're so worried about free ram, schedule your system to automatically soft reset once a day during the night.
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I use oxios hibernate ALL THE TIME..I even have it on a quick launcher button....having apps close on their own is NOT normal behavior and I'll say again oxios hibernate is not causing this..I keep palringo and other apps running all the time in background...either your registry had issues or your rom did because it works fine here...I sometimes go days without rebooting the phone because of oxios hibernate.

famewolf said:
I use oxios hibernate ALL THE TIME..I even have it on a quick launcher button....having apps close on their own is NOT normal behavior and I'll say again oxios hibernate is not causing this..I keep palringo and other apps running all the time in background...either your registry had issues or your rom did because it works fine here...I sometimes go days without rebooting the phone because of oxios hibernate.
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I have traced the problem specifically back to oxios hibernate. It does not happen with sktools free ram. For some reason the WM_HIBERNATE message doesn't die and keeps killing all background applications. I've had the problem on the stock wm5, ppctuning's superrom, wrcx1 etc etc (basically all ROMs i've tried).
There could be a reason why this is just happening for some devices, i dunno, but the culprit definitely is oxios hibernate.

Have you tried to check your softkeys? I had a problem with them and even if the label says an app when I pressed the button ot activated another thing... well that happeneded sometimes... now it works correctly...

Hi All,
Thanks for all the helpful responses. I really am stumped on this one. Checked my registry (did searches for 'oxios', 'hibernate', and 'close') and found nothing. Yet after a soft-reset or normal restart, it's up and running again, and I am unable to open multiple apps or switch from one to the other and back.
I did have an odd thought - I am assuming the program in question is Oxios CloseApps, but maybe I'm wrong? I can't access any of the options on it, so just occurred to me to check. On the today screen, upper right corner, next to the time is a set of 3 small horizontal bars (forming a box) with a small up arrow. Tapping this yields a single line iconic menu that has a set of three boxes, a wrench, and a 'memory' bar with %. If I click on the boxes or wrench, nothing happens. If I click on the memory icon, it takes me to my Memory setting, showing how much storage and program memory I have, my storage card, and my running progs (no, this is not ever listed there - if only it were that easy!) This is CloseApps, right?
Thanks again for all the help!

Tynkrrbell said:
Hi All,
Thanks for all the helpful responses. I really am stumped on this one. Checked my registry (did searches for 'oxios', 'hibernate', and 'close') and found nothing. Yet after a soft-reset or normal restart, it's up and running again, and I am unable to open multiple apps or switch from one to the other and back.
I did have an odd thought - I am assuming the program in question is Oxios CloseApps, but maybe I'm wrong? I can't access any of the options on it, so just occurred to me to check. On the today screen, upper right corner, next to the time is a set of 3 small horizontal bars (forming a box) with a small up arrow. Tapping this yields a single line iconic menu that has a set of three boxes, a wrench, and a 'memory' bar with %. If I click on the boxes or wrench, nothing happens. If I click on the memory icon, it takes me to my Memory setting, showing how much storage and program memory I have, my storage card, and my running progs (no, this is not ever listed there - if only it were that easy!) This is CloseApps, right?
Thanks again for all the help!
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the program you are talking about is
HTC Task-Manager 2.0 / x button
go to start - settings - system - task manager
steph

Fuze freezes on startup ... sometimes

I've been having a problem since shortly after I got my Fuze, that sometimes on reset it doesn't want to finish starting up -- maybe on one out of three resets. It seems to hang just before starting TF3D. It's still semi-responsive ... the backlight brightness turns back up if I hit a button, and an on-screen button may react if I press it (though it doesn't get as far as launching the application or bringing up the start menu)
Usually forcing another soft reset via the pinhole button results in it booting just fine.
I'm currently using ROMeOS, but I've run into this problem with multiple ROMs, including the stock one. I don't think it's a hardware issue ... I haven't had any other problems that suggest the unit itself is bad.
I tried to figure out what I've done each time I've customized my setup. I stayed away from registry tweaks that affect things like caches or hardware performance this time, and still got the issue. I tried uninstalling some of the apps that I always use. No dice.
But I think I've narrowed down the issue. I uninstalled mun background4allpages, which puts the wallpaper you select onto every tab. After several resets, no problem. I'll continue to test throughout the day, resetting sporadically. But I haven't seen anyone else report a problem like this with background4allpages ... so I'm not sure this is it.
Anyone have anything like this, with any cause at all?

I have his problem every once in awhile with ROMeOS too. I'm not sure what causes it but I'll have to do three or four restarts before it continues on. I think it usually happens after I install an app that has a Today plugin with it. But I'm not totally sure about that but I do know if is after I install a cab.

Looks like a today screen hangup. I can fix it by going to the Today Items tab in settings->today then choosing ok (which causes today to refresh plugins).

imtribble -- I've never needed to do 3-4 resets to clear it. I'm not sure I've even needed to do 2. But I know in my case, it's happened without any cab installed since the last boot.
Sleuth255 -- I'd actually tried that (though not for that purpose) but it doesn't seem to have helped, at least not permanently.
With background4alltabs uninstalled, it seems like the problem is gone (at least so far). I wonder if it might actually be the collision of using both background4alltabs and manilla customizer to change my clock -- since I read somewhere that the files background4alltabs changes also affect the clock. If I can confirm after several more resets that this was the problem, I'll post something in that thread.
I'm just so confused that it only happens sometimes, not all the time. Odd.

Actually, Sleuth255, that may have helped after all. I reinstalled background5allpages, and the problem reappeared. But then I did the Today "OK" and haven't been able to make it freeze since ... so maybe. Will report back further after more testing.

It is not just on ROMeOS though, with my fuze the same thing happens and I am running elite ROM RC2. It is some kind of today screen hangup and sleuth's solution did not help me. It takes ~2-3 soft resets to get it working correctly. If I hold the power button to reset rather than pressing the stylus reset it boots up with no hangs though. Interesting.

mdow09 -- are you using background4allpapers? how about manila customizer (and if so, what have you used it to change)? anything loading in your startup group? trying to figure out what the common elements among people having this problem might be.

its happened to me on provens rom and when i had romeos
but a second reset always fixes it

Not using background4allpapers or manila customizer, the clsoest thing I am using to that is TF3D config. My senses tell me it is something to do with my secondtoday screen. My startups are as follows:
Answer key disabler
autoshortcut.ink
cleartemp.ink
filedlgchgs.ink
G-alarm reload
HTC startup
PKG.ink
poutlook.ink
startclean.ink

hmmm.... I've not gotten a permanent fix either, I occasionally hang up after a reset. When I have my issue, the start menu is operational and I can load programs etc w/o issues. It's only the today screen that's hung which is why I tried fixing it by refreshing the items list in today settings. I'm not running touchflo either if that makes a diff.

mdow09 -- It looks like the only things in common we're running are the processes that are always there. Nothing from an installed app.
Sleuth -- How long does the today/ok seem to fix it for? Do you do something in between that could be re-triggering the problem? I've done 6-7 resets since I reinstalled background4allpapes. I got a freeze on the first. I tried the today/ok and it hasn't frozen since. Been running various apps and doing various tasks in between the resets.

I -MAY- have solved this, or at least worked around it.
Previously, I tried uninstalling Background4allpages. That seemed to solve it, but I only had it uninstalled for a day or so. No conclusive word on whether it was involved.
I tried Sleuth's Today/OK trick. That seemed to stave it off for a while. Still came back. Possibly after installing new apps or doing other things that affect the Today setup. Not sure.
But here's my most recent attempt -- I moved TouchFlo3d (almost) all the way to the top in the list of Today items, with everything else (as normal) unchecked. You can't go all the way to the top, because the date entry is there. My working theory (based on nothing concrete yet) is that the plugins are loaded in the order in which they appear in that list, and the Today function isn't getting to load one that's problematic. Perhaps it's a similar issue - when the problem appears, Touchflo itself won't load because of another plugin that loads first, but each would be fine independently. In any case, pushing it to the top priority seems to be preventing the problem -- at least for now.
Obvious holes in my theory -- It seems strange that Today would still load unchecked plug-ins at all, though maybe it still does some sort of cursory scan of them. And wouldn't the problematic plugin still then load AFTER touchflo in my new setup? Maybe it is, but it's only causing a problem if it loads before TF3D?
As before, will report back after more observation ...

Wordsmith9091 said:
Sleuth -- How long does the today/ok seem to fix it for? Do you do something in between that could be re-triggering the problem? I've done 6-7 resets since I reinstalled background4allpapes. I got a freeze on the first. I tried the today/ok and it hasn't frozen since. Been running various apps and doing various tasks in between the resets.
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Its intermittent for sure. I've not been able to peg down what causes it yet.

Iconsoft PhoneEx Lockups

Anyone else finding that PhoneEx locks up on them after awile? Seems like a great program otherwise but 2 or three times a day I'll bring it up and it won't do anything other than hide and show itself. It won't navigate between favorits, calls, contacts, etc. It is completely unresponsive. Attempting to kill the process with MemMaid generally toasts the phone and I have to reset it.
Just wondering if I'm alone in this, or if anyone else has discovered a magic combination of things that may be leading to this.
AJ

Well I can possibly answer my own question. On a hunch, I disabled S2U2 from automatic startup and I haven't had PhoneEx lockup once since.
Would suck cause I like S2U2, with PhoneEx I can ditch about three other programs I've been using, so I guess if it continues to work I will have to do without S2U2. Or perhaps I will try fiddling with it to see if there's a particular setting in S2 that is causing this issue.
AJ

Although since removing S2U2 the PhoneEx lockups have diminished in freqeuncy, they haven't gone entirely. I woke up this morning to find that PhoneEx was unresponsive, but, as is always the case, the rest of the system works normally (I haven't yet received a call with it in this state - it will be interesting to find out what happens).
Has no one else experienced this problem, or does no one else use PhoneEx?
AJ

PhoneEx
I am... for about 4 days on two phones...nothing like that happend...yet and hopefully never does. love s2u2 and PhoneEx...i personally do not use phoneex to answer the incoming calls...i let the s2u2 to do all the job including the notifications....which is better to let s2u2 to deal with them so you won't get any conflicts...take care
Ps.
by the way a new version it's gonna pop up any day now 1.4 the russians done a new improved version it take about four times less memory(about 300kb instead of 1000 kb) and fixed some bugs to it...it's out there already but only in chirilic language...the only problem i have so far is that i can't use the speaker button it kinda do weird noise when activate as if the speaker it's to close to the mic.

PhoneEX
I does not lock up for me, although it took me 2 days to note that the keboard locks during a call and you have to unlock it to use the keyboard (could that be your problem?)
I do have another problem though and that is if I do a soft reset for whatever reason PhoneEx then spends 3 or 4 minutes "Intialising Contacts" before I can use my HTC Touch HD.
Anyone got a solution for this.
Sam

iconsoft.com (phoneEx)
phoneEx is a great program. my friend has it and he has never had a problem with it on his windows mobile device.PhoneEx is a great program people with a windows mobile device should definatly look in to the program . i am curenty using the trial i am about to get the program i am looking forward to it i canot wait i can already see its going to be great . my phone is doing great with this program i love it and thanks Iconsoft you guys are really smart for putting the program on there . you can get the program by going to www.iconsoft.com
i recomend it it is a great program

Installed PhoneEx (no to answer phone) on my Elf today after a week of using S2U2 - and had four lockups already. Any hope for this? *trying again with the "don't use keyboard lock " setting set to true as per another thread/post.

I lost all of my Input methods!

I don't know what the deal is, I had them this morning, and even after a restore, I don't have any of my Input methods anymore. They all show but when I select one it doesn't apply. I should have:
Block Recognizer
Compact QWERTY
Full QWERTY
Keyboard (it defaults to this every time)
Letter Recognizer
Phone Keyboard
Transcriber
I have recently installed the new Landscape Full Manila update but I had these options even after that.
Anyone know how I can reinstall these options?! I hate that default keyboard!

It seems like they are all there still, like I can see options for them all, etc but it just wont change, also its like the small arrow by the keyboard isn't activated and I cant click it, I can change the default keyboard from small to large, but that's it!
ERRRR, what pisses me off is I backup ALL THE TIME, before every app install even, and when I do a restore, it still doesn't work, WTF good are backups then! Or does Spite Backup just suck and I should be using another?
This worrying about everything from one min to the next with this device is the only bad thing about it.

The only suggestion I have for you is to do a hard reset and restore using the most recent back up file until you find a back up file that works for you. I have used sprite back up many times before but this has never happened to me.
Are you using the stock Fuze ROM?

Yeah I'm using the stock ROM but I bypassed the bloatware and installed TF3D that was just released in the software thread, the full one with landscape mode.
I tried several backups and none worked, strange, not sure what caused this but I did find a work-around, its a small app called SIPChange, it was a shot in the dark but it worked for me, for anyone else with this issue, try it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=271008
This actually even fixed the little arrow issue I have that wasn't letting me select the Input method on the fly, I did notice it loads at every reset tho, I don't care as long as it works!
Thanks guys, I hope this thread will help anyone else with the issue.

WkTask & graphic problems

Hi
I was using WkTask as task manager, but I am having problems with thi program.
for example, when it is running, every game or weather animation, skips frames, playing experiment 13, every 3 seconds, I got a skip animation in the game, or on weather home screen on a cloudy day, I can see the clouds skipping frames.
If I unninstall the progra, then all runs again smooth.
So, be aware that this program affects severe to the graphic performance.
Even if its the best tas manager, it is not a good program for our hd2

it is a great program. I was having problems with my start button, it woud freeze nd i wouldnt be able to press start. I had to reset my device and it would work again, then after a couple of hours the same thing would happen. I keep wktask off and everything is now fine

vinokirk said:
it is a great program. I was having problems with my start button, it woud freeze nd i wouldnt be able to press start. I had to reset my device and it would work again, then after a couple of hours the same thing would happen. I keep wktask off and everything is now fine
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your problem is wkTask itself.you have to create exeptions in preferences.for each folder you have in startmenu just type name of folder and then mark Don't Close with X button.and you have to add "Start" as an exeption as well.after that no problems any more :-D
more info:
http://www.pocketpc-live.com/pocket-pc/resolved-wktask-cloding-start-menu-on-wm6.5-issue.html
kersh said:
Hi
I was using WkTask as task manager, but I am having problems with thi program.
for example, when it is running, every game or weather animation, skips frames, playing experiment 13, every 3 seconds, I got a skip animation in the game, or on weather home screen on a cloudy day, I can see the clouds skipping frames.
If I unninstall the progra, then all runs again smooth.
So, be aware that this program affects severe to the graphic performance.
Even if its the best tas manager, it is not a good program for our hd2
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i am using it since first day and never had any problems.i think you have something wrong with your settings.

polystirenman said:
your problem is wkTask itself.you have to create exeptions in preferences.for each folder you have in startmenu just type name of folder and then mark Don't Close with X button.and you have to add "Start" as an exeption as well.after that no problems any more :-D
more info:
http://www.pocketpc-live.com/pocket-pc/resolved-wktask-cloding-start-menu-on-wm6.5-issue.html
i am using it since first day and never had any problems.i think you have something wrong with your settings.
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can you try experiment13 and confirm that runs smooth all the time and doesnt get any noticeable skips?

kersh said:
can you try experiment13 and confirm that runs smooth all the time and doesnt get any noticeable skips?
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no problem.i will give it a go and let you know.i am wondering myself ;-)

vinokirk said:
it is a great program. I was having problems with my start button, it woud freeze nd i wouldnt be able to press start. I had to reset my device and it would work again, then after a couple of hours the same thing would happen. I keep wktask off and everything is now fine
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and i forgot to say that you DON'T HAVE TO hard reset when this happens.just soft reset and your start button works again and you can check your wkTask settings.

Ok, no problem polystirenman, I was trying all again, and I finally found the problem
It seems to be that pocketclock pro doesn't like much WkTask, and when it is open lags all the phone, If I close the program, all return to normality and I don't have any skip.
thanks by the way to say that your WkTask works fine.
My fault

kersh said:
can you try experiment13 and confirm that runs smooth all the time and doesnt get any noticeable skips?
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just tried it and it runs all right.cannot see any frame skiping

kersh said:
Ok, no problem polystirenman, I was trying all again, and I finally found the problem
It seems to be that pocketclock pro doesn't like much WkTask, and when it is open lags all the phone, If I close the program, all return to normality and I don't have any skip.
thanks by the way to say that your WkTask works fine.
My fault
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that's why we are here.only if we work together we will be able to get the best out of our devices.glad that you found the problem

i like this tool too...
But i would appreciate if the developers would eliminate some bugs, especially this with close "start"...
If you click close from the menu on the Start... this still disapear even when you set it on the exeption list. Also if you install a new software and this software creates a new folder in Start... you have to manual add this value in the exception list...
But still i like this tool