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3G on XDA?

Hi all,
Sorry if this seems a dull question but ........
I have an XDA1 and wonder whether I can use it on the 3G network? If not, how about the XDAII?
My present phone is a Motorola A920 using the 3G network but I'd got used to my XDA and prefer it!
My XDA1 has been unlocked.
Many thanks
John

Have you found out any news about using the 3G network on the XDA or XDA II? I have an XDA II and would find it intresting if there was software update or somthing like that

The XDA1 and XDA2 does not work on 3G networks (UMTS) as the frequency is different and the transceiver in the 1 & 2 does not support this.
There is though a new XDA3 on the market which supports 3G, but I dont know where it is available.

I think you will find that a 3G XDA has not been released as yet. for information on XDA III (name may cause confusion in O2 camp, re 2nd article) see:
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-blue-angel-en.shtml
http://techdigestuk.typepad.com/tech_digest/2004/07/xda3_or_is_that.html

my xda works on a 3 sim, but takes about a minute to find network. it roams to o2. can't sms.

when ever 3g phones cant reach a utms signal it just use gsm of cause only for talk
so there should be no problems using a 3g sim since it will just work as a normal gsm sim in a non utms phone
but i'm prettty sure that they dont offer grps roaming
software can never make a xda1-3 or any other non utms phone a utms phone just like an old 56K modem cant be software upgraded to a cabel modem

I would love to have 3G Network. Their data connection is as fast as 144kbps DSL speed. That's much faster than GSM network.
I'm playing in the field of 32kbps with GSM network. Blah, you call that the speed of DSL as they say? Right. :roll:

I have an XDA 1 which works just fine with my 3 sim BUT I cannot send SMS only receive, don't know why and haven't found anyone on this forum who can explain why.
SIM Manager doesnt work either, just says SIM is busy. Try again in 5 seconds but I could wait a month of Sundays and the SIM is still busy.

messing around with my xda1 last night, which has an o2 and a 3 sim in it. had the 3 sim selected, made a new work connection called Three, apn: three.co.uk, username: netservices. pressed connect AND IT DID!! BUT tried to access web and then wap, NO JOY. all other settings are for o2 payandgo online. when i had 3 sim in 3 phone i DIDN'T have to be in a 3g area to access all 3 services. any ideas if i can get any transfer going through xda? plus my new 3sim has arrived, NOT putting that in just yet!!!

3g or UTMS is not supported in many places and when you get out of their range their just do gsm and grps
there should not be a problem getting the services of 3g to work but you dont get the speed because you are not getting utms signal just be having sim it's on a different set of frequencies
there are CF and maybe SD cards out there which act as utms modems which can give a pda a nice internet speed boost though

yeah i know i won't get any extra speed, but it did connect to GPRS via the 3 sim, yes i know it was roaming to o2, the thing is i still want to see what i can get it to do. if i could get it to view FULL internet even at GPRS speeds, for NO charge then that would be good. my 3 package is 3togo, no monthly fee, no free mins, you only pay for what you use,you get a bill later.

You weren't technically roaming with o2.
Three uses o2 as a carrier network for 2.5G communications.
I've tried a Three SIM in my XDA II with similar results to you. However, i've noticed that in the latest XDA II o2 ROM upgrade, they install video calling applications.
I'll keep you posted - I work for Three so I know the details

driftingaway said:
You weren't technically roaming with o2.
Three uses o2 as a carrier network for 2.5G communications.
I've tried a Three SIM in my XDA II with similar results to you. However, i've noticed that in the latest XDA II o2 ROM upgrade, they install video calling applications.
I'll keep you posted - I work for Three so I know the details
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Also, it could be a matter of smsc centre being incorrectly configured when the 3 sim is placed in the XDA device
rgds
jim

Guys,
Don't keep your 3 usims in 2G handsets for very long. If 3 notice you are constantly roaming on o2 they *will* block the SIM.

Did anyone end up find out if you can actually sms with a Three sim in it ?

driftingaway said:
i've noticed that in the latest XDA II o2 ROM upgrade, they install video calling applications.
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Nah. There's a video mms application and you can also download or stream short video clips but these are all gprs services. Video calling is a 3g only service and no xda device has the hardware/software for that yet.
JD

Treo 750 cingular worldwide??

I have bought locked treo750 cingular, my question is if i managed to unlock it via any unlocking services described here in the forum, will it work normally on any other network other than cingular without any problems or there will be some restrictions especially regarding GPRS and 3G??
And if I faced problems with cingular after unlocking, is it possible to upgrade treo Vodafone ROM?
Thank you very much for your help.

18 views without reply, am I asking a selly question? or no one of the forum has any answer for my question!!.

no offense, but the answers to all of your questions are here and out there on Google, etc. The 750 is a GSM phone, and once unlocked, will work with other GSM SIM cards/service providers. GPRS and 3G availability will depend on the service provider; most all provide GPRS a few provide 3G service. you may have to configure your phone work with other provider's internet service
I have an unlocked 750V that I use with T-Mobile and Cingular (US providers). T-Mobile doesn't have 3G service, so it uses the GPRS/EDGE connection. Phone features work without issue. Cingular has 3G and the phone works well there, too. hope this helps.

cortezzi said:
no offense, but the answers to all of your questions are here and out there on Google, etc. The 750 is a GSM phone, and once unlocked, will work with other GSM SIM cards/service providers. GPRS and 3G availability will depend on the service provider; most all provide GPRS a few provide 3G service. you may have to configure your phone work with other provider's internet service
I have an unlocked 750V that I use with T-Mobile and Cingular (US providers). T-Mobile doesn't have 3G service, so it uses the GPRS/EDGE connection. Phone features work without issue. Cingular has 3G and the phone works well there, too. hope this helps.
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Thank you very much for your prompt reply. You are right there is a lot of speakings about that here and on google, but what made me worry is the words of a guy working in cingular or something like that who told that cingular has customized the OS to be strictly perfect with their service in US, and so on, it may be not working well in my country, hence i searched the XDA-dev and treocentral, most of guys who unlocked their treo is suing t-mobile and they are in US, while in europe they have the 750v, so they don't need to unlock the cingular version, except, one who unlocked cingular one and used his orange SIM and claimed that he was unabale to cutomize the GPRS sittings to connect with orange SIM.
I hope that you have got my idea, and I am still worried. Now, my specific question to u as having an unlocked cingular tro750, is the connections paramaters in Start--> settings ---> connections --> connections the same as other PDAs, so, theorotically i can customize it to work with my vodavone SIM. Thank you very much for your help.

you should be able to configure/customize your GPRS settings without an issue...i don't know about the other guy...

cortezzi said:
you should be able to configure/customize your GPRS settings without an issue...i don't know about the other guy...
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Ok, thank you very much, i am waiting my device, and we will see.

HSDPA Vodafone UK

Hey Guys,
Ive upgraded to the latest Vodafone WM6 ROM and was expecting to be able to get HSDPA connections, I live in Basingstoke and should (according to Vodas coverage map) be able to get HSDPA. I have also tried in Reading Newbury and Central London.
The max speed I can actually get is around 200kbits (average is about 140kbits) and I never get an "H" symbol just the usual "3g" one. Speeds were tested on the dsl reports mobile speed test with 100k download. http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
Can anyone on the Vodafone UK network get an HSDPA connection? I have complained to Vodafone but they are useless.
I also found out that Vodafones network is currently being upgraded to support HSDPA data and Voice simultaneously.
I have a feeling HSDPA is currently still off on the UK Vodafone flavor of the ROM but it would be nice to have this clarified.
All opinions welcome......... Thanks in Advance.

Hi.. Can't help you with Vodafone but I'm on Orange with a wm6 750v and only get the 3g icon but it does use the orange HSDPA network when i connect to the internet. Much quicker than when I was on wm5 and could only get UTMS, think you get the 3g icon with wm6 whatever network it uses but I could be wrong. There was talk that Orange and Voda were going to mix their 3g networks for better coverage, maybe it has something to do with that?

Hi, I'm on Vodafone UK (contract). I was hoping for WM6 to have HSDPA natively on this ROM, but I too only ever saw the 3G symbol. Out of frustration I re applied the HSDPA hack for WM5.
Sure enough - HSDPA is present. It shows 3G, then when data is actively moving - it changes to a H.
I've done speed tests and can get over 700k download speeds.
I live in the Durham area with 100% HSDPA coverage.
After applying the hack, or after a reset - reset it again - for some reason it takes 2 soft resets for it to "take".
But you need to apply the old hack.
Hope that helps you!

Ive upgraded to wm6 on 750v but still needed to apply this to get 700+kbit/sec
http://www.gadgetech.info/treo/hacks/hsdpa/
'H' all the way now

Be warned - rumour has it that using HSPDA on 750v causes voicecalls issues (ie you wont get any if push email occurs) in certain parts of UK on voda network.

Cheers for the input guys,
Im a little bit upset that HSDPA has not been included in the UK 750V ROM-- I know why because Vodafones network isnt upgraded yet--- but palm could of at least told us this was the case!!
Sooo are we expecting another ROM update when Vodafones network is ready?
Would be nice to get some clarification!.

HSDPA is there. I installed the Vodafone ROM (though I did remove the extended ROM) on my generic 750. Not to rub salt in the wound, but I am on 3 and dslreports is showing me connected at 900-1015kb/s.
I haven't experienced the issue of having a HSDPA push connection and have voice quality issues. I am on the phone most of the day with email constantly coming through.

Works for me
Ok so I have the Vodafone WM6 legit Rom and the HSDPA patch/hack installed and it works fine. When I make or recieve a call on the phone whilst browsing it drops the connection down to 3G as shown by the symbol (changes from H to 3G) then when the call is ended it changes back! Battery drain is exactly the same as using 3G but I am getting speeds on Vodafone in Sheffield of up to 1mbs
If I find I have any problems I will let you all know!

My 750v is unlocked and I'm using it on 3 in the UK with the WM6 upgrade. Get great HSDPA speeds now. No need to get the hack (which never worked for me on WM5 anyway).

I thought it worked!
Ok so I was sending a large email the other day (3mbs attachment) and I tried to make a call while it was sending the mail over the HSDPA. The phone tried to dial and then hung up. I tried to call the number again and got the same thing! I stopped the email sending and even though it was not transmitting any data I still could not make a call! I disconnected the data connection and making a call was fine, it worked 1st time!
I have since uninstalled the hack at it works fine now over 3G speeds!
What a shame, I want HSDPA back

I'm in central London (W10 and SW1) in areas listed on Vodafone's site as being in HSDPA coverage. Although I have WM6 installed I have never seen 'H'. I'm wary of the hack after comments above describing problems.
Vodafone have no answer for my issue.
Has anyone on a WM6 hack-less 750v picked up HSDPA in London/UK yet?

Vodafone's HSDPA Roadmap
MECX said:
Hey Guys,
Ive upgraded to the latest Vodafone WM6 ROM and was expecting to be able to get HSDPA connections, I live in Basingstoke and should (according to Vodas coverage map) be able to get HSDPA. I have also tried in Reading Newbury and Central London.
The max speed I can actually get is around 200kbits (average is about 140kbits) and I never get an "H" symbol just the usual "3g" one. Speeds were tested on the dsl reports mobile speed test with 100k download. http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
Can anyone on the Vodafone UK network get an HSDPA connection? I have complained to Vodafone but they are useless.
I also found out that Vodafones network is currently being upgraded to support HSDPA data and Voice simultaneously.
I have a feeling HSDPA is currently still off on the UK Vodafone flavor of the ROM but it would be nice to have this clarified.
All opinions welcome......... Thanks in Advance.
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Check this out mate HSDPA for Vodafone
HTC Touch Cruise(On it's Way)
Palm Treo 750V
AT&T 2.25 ROM Vanilla
CE OS 5.2.1620(Build 18125.0.4.2)
Software Version - TREO750-2.25-ATT
Firmware Version - 1.54.27.00
CC-Cap - 000-000-001
Carrier DB - 335
Radio Band
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS 2100
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
Free Memory
Storage - 55.31
Program - 27.78 MB

I'm afraid that link is dead and there doesn't seem to be a related article on that site.

Touch Pro T7272 From UK _ Canada

I have just bought a new TMobile Vario 4 from the UK (HTC TOUCH PRO T7272) I am working and currenlty live in Canada - I have returned and have noticed that I no longer get 3g or HSDPA as a data connection - I am using NRG v2 ROM and have flashed 2 radios however have no luck cathcing a 3g data connection! I have been searching online and here and seem to get some stories that it maybe hardware - can anyone confirm if there is anything i can do?
Cheers - hope I havent bought a ferrari only to have a mini engine in it!

Mods can you move this to the ROM forum as i think it maybe a more techincal focussed question than general
Cheers

JPHCCFC said:
I have just bought a new TMobile Vario 4 from the UK (HTC TOUCH PRO T7272) I am working and currenlty live in Canada - I have returned and have noticed that I no longer get 3g or HSDPA as a data connection - I am using NRG v2 ROM and have flashed 2 radios however have no luck cathcing a 3g data connection! I have been searching online and here and seem to get some stories that it maybe hardware - can anyone confirm if there is anything i can do?
Cheers - hope I havent bought a ferrari only to have a mini engine in it!
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I'm fairly certain the Vario is Europe/Asia 3G meaning 900/2100Mhz 3G. In Canada on Rogers/Fido (and AT&T in the US) we use 1800Mhz 3G.
The best you will get is an edge connection. If you need a 3G phone that works in north America too go across the border (hopefully you work/live near one) and pickup an AT&T Fuze.

IndustryCanada said:
I'm fairly certain the Vario is Europe/Asia 3G meaning 900/2100Mhz 3G. In Canada on Rogers/Fido (and AT&T in the US) we use 1800Mhz 3G.
The best you will get is an edge connection. If you need a 3G phone that works in north America too go across the border (hopefully you work/live near one) and pickup an AT&T Fuze.
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Thanks for the response
This is the one I have http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1320&c=t-mobile_mda_vario_iv_htc_raphael - it says that it supports GSM 1800! I took out the battery and it says RAPH 300 - If i select GSM UTMS Band of 900+1800 and UMTS 2100(Worl) in the phone settings i get no network connection? Im confused now - I could get HSDPA and 3G with my T Mobile Vario 3 - trying to do some digging on what specifically RAPH 300 refers too as information and actual phone activity seems to be contradictory! Any ideas of the meaning of RAPH 300?

HSDPA & HSUPA -needed for T-Mobile USA?

Do I need HSDPA & HSUPA on - for T-Mobile USA? I read their 3g is only on 1700mhz. (which TP doesn't have)
Does this mean I should shut these 2 options off?
Will doing so improve battery life?

yes it improve batt life to turn it off

Thanks Rudegar. Anyone know if HSDPA &/or HSUPA are used in China?

If China Mobile or its affiliates support the standard 900/2100 MHz 3G bands, then your Fuze should be able to use the 3G network. Otherwise, turning it off could save an incredible amount of battery life.

T-Mobile has rolled out HSDPA and it works for Touch Pro II.
Shouldn't it also work for Touch Pro I?

In other forums I've read that the T-Mobile branded phones are made to accept 1700 mhz.
The same phones bought elsewhere, do not. Is this a hardware difference or just a software change? Since TM is rolling out HSDPA, I'd like to take advantage on my TP.
Internet speeds are awful on T-mobile with just EDGE.

The older devices will not accept HSDPA due to hardware.

Bruce, I'm not sure I understand you.
My Touch Pro (an unlocked version from Singapore) supports HSDPA, which T-Mobile has been rolling out.
My question is can and if it will work on T-Mobile's 3G network?

Sorry, I misunderstood you.
I was just pointing out that it is the hardware that determines network compatability.
If your hardware is capable, then it should work.