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X7510 and T-Mobile 3G in the US?

Hello all:
I'd like to check whether the X7510 would work with T-Mobile's 3G network in the US. Does anyone know?
Thanks.

No, T-Mobile's bands are 850/1700, and the x7510 can only do 850/1900/2100. So no.

Hi All,
Sorry to differ (and I am an AT&T customer) but according to the GSM World site at http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
T-Mobile operates in the USA on the 1900 band. As the x7510 is a quad band phone I see no reason why it won't work with T-Mobile.

Well if you go to the HTC site, and look at the G1's Specs, it shows a US 3G at 1700/2100, for T-Mobile. So unless they also have 3G band of 1900, the x7510 won't work on T-Mobile US.

Looks like I'll stand corrected. Seems that T-Mobile's 3G is not going to be accessable by the x7510 if HTC's site is correct, although the GSM/GPRS obviously is.
Best action I suggest is talk to T-Mobile and ask them to clarify what frequency their 3G service is on. Alternatively switch to AT&T and the x7510 will be just fine.

Thank you, this certainly clarifies my original question.
Happy holidays !

ATT 3G
I have ATT and have yet to see my X7510 lock on to anything but "H" and "E" while those around me with IPhones lock on to ATT 3G.
Edit: Oops, "H" is a form of 3G or 3.5G according to my reserach.

No luck
I believe T-mobile on 1700 (Coz my bro G1 works - with 1700/2100 for 3G while x75xx on 2100), so I only have "E" all the time (I live in CA). Except for streaming video, everything else just work finefine.
If you want 3G, might need to consider ATT at least at this point.

My x7510 Ameo works with T-Mobile US
The 3G works fine with my x7510 Ameo after I called T-Mobile US for all the settings. If you don't get the answer you want from the first T-Mobile tech call back and get another tech until you get all the settings you need.

Geek Chick said:
The 3G works fine with my x7510 Ameo after I called T-Mobile US for all the settings. If you don't get the answer you want from the first T-Mobile tech call back and get another tech until you get all the settings you need.
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Please dont lie Tmobile 3g USA is only 1700mhz its all over the web there is no way that you will get US tmobile 3g on anything that doesnt have 1700mhz take a look at wikipedia very clearly listed even there that its 1700/2100 MHz for Tmobile USA.

US Cellular TP2 works with ATT 3G?

As the title reads out, I was wanting to know if the USCC TP2 will ever work on 3G because Edge is getting a little slow... I have seen the "G" up on my bar before but quickly goes away, so that leads me to believe that it could be possible.
Also, I heard that hardware is compatible with the 3G network. So please, could someone that knows more into this tell me if anything will work or even MIGHT work?
Thank you so much!
-Cyanide

i would also like to know because i just unlocked the us cellular touch pro 2 for use on att. but when i try the internet it just says dialed 777 failed

Hey, in order for that dialed 7777 error to go away, you need to add ATT internet settings instead of the original carrier settings.
So do this...
Go to your Data Connection options
Add New Connection
Then Put this in for the info:
wap.cingular for the APN
[email protected] - username
CINGULAR1 - password
That should work, of course there is an ATT data cab somewhere, but thats how you set it up manually, I hope this helped!
Cyanide

thanks man i really appreciate. kinda new to this but not really. last windows mobikle phone i had was a touch pro. and i bought an iphone after. BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER. now ive forgotten everything

for some reason it wont go E to G and i cant use certain att features like being on the phone and internet please help

cyanide77 said:
As the title reads out, I was wanting to know if the USCC TP2 will ever work on 3G because Edge is getting a little slow... I have seen the "G" up on my bar before but quickly goes away, so that leads me to believe that it could be possible.
Also, I heard that hardware is compatible with the 3G network. So please, could someone that knows more into this tell me if anything will work or even MIGHT work?
Thank you so much!
-Cyanide
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G = GPRS
E = EDGE
G = Slower than EDGE and nothing to do with 3G.
You're not going to get that phone to work on ATT 3G/UMTS. The band support simply isn't there.

gamescan said:
G = GPRS
E = EDGE
G = Slower than EDGE and nothing to do with 3G.
You're not going to get that phone to work on ATT 3G/UMTS. The band support simply isn't there.
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Based on phonearena's tech specs though the TP2 cant even reach full 3g on verizon's network. Here is the link to some verizon phones:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Touch-Pro2-CDMA-phone-p_3710.html
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Palm-Pre-Plus-phone-p_4347.html
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Motorola-DROID-phone-p_3853.html
Same shows true for both sprint and AT&T versions as well.

So what is required of the phone to reach 3G at all?

cyanide77 said:
So what is required of the phone to reach 3G at all?
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The phone has 3g capability, it is not accessing the full power of the network due to hardware though. If AT&T nerfs their non-iPhones to EDGE then that is what you will max at. If you look at the palm pixi or pre it has faster data speeds because of the hardware. In other words i'm not really sure if faster speeds are capable (due to hardware restrictions) and on AT&T i'm even more unsure because of how their apple contract is structured.

Ah that sounds really crazy! Lol, I wish things were simple. And now, I am noticing my Multimedia Messages aren't going though, I am not sure what that is from though. Anyone have a clue on that?

burtonsnow8 said:
Based on phonearena's tech specs though the TP2 cant even reach full 3g on verizon's network.
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What are you talking about? The CDMA TP2 can very well reach 3G speed (EVDO Rev A) on Sprint and Verizon. It'll also reach 3G speed on European WCDMA/UMTS networks. The ATT TP will reach 3G speed on ATT and European WCDMA/UMTS networks.
The statement above doesn't make any sense.
cyanide77 said:
So what is required of the phone to reach 3G at all?
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All that's required is that you use a version of the phone on a network with a compatible band. The ATT, TMO, Sprint, VZW, etc. TP2s will all reach 3G ontheir respective networks with no problem. When used on other networks the phones may or may not have support for the 3G band used by the network. If it doesn't have the band support then it's not going to work.
burtonsnow8 said:
The phone has 3g capability, it is not accessing the full power of the network due to hardware though. If AT&T nerfs their non-iPhones to EDGE then that is what you will max at. If you look at the palm pixi or pre it has faster data speeds because of the hardware. In other words i'm not really sure if faster speeds are capable (due to hardware restrictions) and on AT&T i'm even more unsure because of how their apple contract is structured.
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Please stop making stuff up. This is absolutely not true. The TP2 is not "nerfed." You just need to use the correct model (ie ATT version) on ATT if you want 3G on ATT.
cyanide77 said:
Ah that sounds really crazy! Lol, I wish things were simple. And now, I am noticing my Multimedia Messages aren't going though, I am not sure what that is from though. Anyone have a clue on that?
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It is simple. Stupid simple.
If you want 3G you buy the version of the phone that supports the 3G band that your carrier is using.
As far as MMS, you need to make sure that your account is data enabled and that your phone has the data settings for your carrier loaded.

I found a cab that worked for my ATT MMS settings, that was no problem, but like I stated, I have a US Cellular TP2, so it is not a Tilt 2 (ATT) or I would not be posting in the CDMA section of the TP2 forums.
As far as I know the US Cellular device (TP2) has the hardware requirements of ATT 3G network, and I am asking why will it not work up to 3G speeds? Only thing I could think of is that there is not a specific radio for this yet, or something... because the specs of the USC TP2 does in fact work with the 3G bands of ATT.
So what is stopping the device from connecting to it?

cyanide77 said:
I found a cab that worked for my ATT MMS settings, that was no problem, but like I stated, I have a US Cellular TP2, so it is not a Tilt 2 (ATT) or I would not be posting in the CDMA section of the TP2 forums.
As far as I know the US Cellular device (TP2) has the hardware requirements of ATT 3G network, and I am asking why will it not work up to 3G speeds? Only thing I could think of is that there is not a specific radio for this yet, or something... because the specs of the USC TP2 does in fact work with the 3G bands of ATT.
So what is stopping the device from connecting to it?
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According to all of the hardware specs, none of the TP2 CDMA variants support the 3G bands used by ATT. It will not work because it is simply not compatible.
If you want to use it in Europe or Japan, you'll get 3G. But as far as using it in the US on ATT or TMO, you're only going to get EDGE speeds because those are the only US bands that it supports.
The only versions of the TP2 that support ATT's 3G bands are the ATT version and (if launched) the Australian GSM version. The CDMA versions, the Euro version and the TMO US version will not support ATT 3G.

gamescan said:
According to all of the hardware specs, none of the TP2 CDMA variants support the 3G bands used by ATT. It will not work because it is simply not compatible.
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All the specs I read, the Verizon CDMA phone supports Quad band GSM
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
CDMA dual band (1900/800 MHz)
UMTS European/Asian 3G (2100 MHz)
Does this not cover the 3G bands ATT uses? I thought it was 1900?

x51 said:
All the specs I read, the Verizon CDMA phone supports Quad band GSM
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
CDMA dual band (1900/800 MHz)
UMTS European/Asian 3G (2100 MHz)
Does this not cover the 3G bands ATT uses? I thought it was 1900?
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GSM = GPRS (2G) and EDGE (2.5G)
UMTS = 3G
ATT uses GSM 850/1900 for 2G/2.5G and UMTS/WCDMA 850/1900 for 3G.
If you use a CDMA Touch Pro 2 on ATT it'll work on 2G/2.5G (since it is compatible) but it won't work on 3G since the band support isn't there.
If ATT used UMTS 2100 it would work.

so will the US Cellular TP2 ever be able to get 3G from ATT network? or will it always be limited to Edge?

cyanide77 said:
so will the US Cellular TP2 ever be able to get 3G from ATT network? or will it always be limited to Edge?
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Edge.
If you want to use a TP2 on ATT with 3G, get the ATT version.
If you want to use a TP2 on TMO US with 3G, get the TMO US version.

gamescan said:
Edge.
If you want to use a TP2 on ATT with 3G, get the ATT version.
If you want to use a TP2 on TMO US with 3G, get the TMO US version.
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TMo US uses UMTS 2100 for 3G so you should be able to get 3G on TMo but not ATT.

piedra92 said:
TMo US uses UMTS 2100 for 3G so you should be able to get 3G on TMo but not ATT.
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TMO US uses UMTS 1700.
While it technically uses both 1700 and 2100 channels, UMTS 1700 is not the same as UMTS 2100 (used in Europe).
So no, the Sprint TP2 won't use UMTS 2100 on TMO US. It'll just use Edge. Now TMO UK (or anywhere in Europe) it'll get 3G because there they use UMTS 2100.

so there is no way???
i was checking ht cell and in the bands it says umts 850 but nothing happens thats too bad. it lloks like im gonna have to buy a at&t one to be able to work

[Q] Anyone using the Omnia 7 in the US on AT&T

Is anyone using the Samsung Omnia 7 on AT&T? I know it has support for AT&T's 1900 band for 3G but wanted to know how the experience is. I'm in Germany this week and was hoping to see if I can pick one up [not really happy with any of the AT&T phones].
Also, with updates possibly being controlled by carriers what's the workaround for buying an unlocked device from overseas and using it in the US on AT&T?
Thx!

can't tell you about omnia on at&t, but as far as i'm aware if your phone is unlocked from carrier, i don't see any reason/possibility for them to delay an update being rolled to your phone.

Cool, thx.

You should be able to get updates via the Zune software.

I'm sorry. this is my first post for this forum. Im not educated on on the compatibility of the EU phones on US carriers....
But is this really possible? I really like the SS Omnia the best so far.
an unlocked ominia will work perfectly fine on AT&T?

it will work perfectly.. except for the lack of 3G. The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses... and the 1700 band tmobile uses.

An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...

shujaa said:
An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...
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Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good

shujaa said:
Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good
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One advantage with the Focus is it has an SD card slot to extend storage.
If you use you phone for music,movies and games it's a big +.

N8ter said:
Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App
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lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.

akachay said:
lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.
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There are maps available showing coverage for each AT&T 3G frequency band. I wouldn't dismiss one band over the other. It all depends on what city you live in.
Check into the coverage areas before you waste money on a phone that won't give you 3G coverage in your area.

Very interesting as I googled AT&T 850 vs. 1900 MHz Coverage and pulled up a very interesting map [can't post a link due to my post count].
Coverage of the two bands is almost identical. I didn't know that speed is something to give up on the 1900 band though.
Good info. Yeah, I'm in Europe this week and no one is offering it unlocked!

here's the maps.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
my question would be though, which is the band they are going to expand going forward???

so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak

Krissrock said:
so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I'll be asking at an AT&T store, perhaps they can shed some light...

i personally am not sure if all phones handle the varying bands straight from the OEMs. HTC lists what bands their phone supports to each region, but in saying that it would be good to know what would happen if you got a omnia to the US (or in my case if i somehow managed to get an unlocked focus to australia ).

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so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I don't think the phone supports at&t's 850mhz band.

according to this it does
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pd...icially_confirmed_windows_phone_7_smartphones
and this
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8700_omnia_7-3537.php
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
From what i've heard, ATT doesn't even really use the 850 spectrum much anymore...

Several people are selling this new on eBay for ~$600, but it does not support 3G. As per the one auction details:
* Works with AT&T and T-mobile EDGE but does not work with 3G networks in the USA
* Works with AT&T 1900Mhz 3G but not AT&T 850mhz 3G - Does not work with T-mobile 3G in the USA
I love the design of this phone too but is it worth paying all that money for a phone where you won't be able to take advantage of all its features? Edge is slow as Sh*t compared to 3g in my area. Just consider that if you really want this phone in the US.

[Q] Touch Pro on T-Mobile 4G

I've got the Touch Pro (T7272-unlocked not t-Mobile branded) and am a T-Mobile customer.
Does anyone know if this device works on the T-Mobile 4G network?
If so, what setting, if any, need to be changed?
The package says the phone supports HSPA network, but T-Mobile's is HSPA+.

The phone will work, but I believe only on EDGE. The radio bands are wrong to get 3G or I guess 4G. There's nothing you can do about it.

Thanks for your reply.
I've used it for years with EDGE, which is brutally sloooooow.
I was wondering what spec determines if a phone will work on T-Mobile 4G network?

that is correct. att's 3/4g opperates arround 1800hmz while tmobiles 3/4g opperates around 1700mhz to no matter what you do (outside of switching carriers) there is no way you can opperate outside of edge
-rastlin

Rastin,
Thanks for your reply.
Is there any possibility that a software solution could change the Band Frequency?

Unfortunately it`s imposible.

[Q] Enabling T-Mobile 3G or 4G?

Hey guys i recently unlocked my HOX and tossed a T-Mobile chip in it. Is there a way for me to get a better data speed? I'm only able to use 2G at the moment.

You can't simply enable it, as T-Mobile uses the 1700 AWS spectrum for 3G/4G in most of their areas. The HOX doesn't support 1700. T-Mobile's older 2G network runs on 1900mhz, which the HOX will pick up, but you'll be limited to EDGE speeds.
There is good news though. T-Mobile is currently in the process of upgrading those areas to support 3G/4G on the 1900mhz spectrum they have. Their main goal is to attract iPhone customers (since the iPhone also cannot run on their 1700mhz network). From what I've heard they're doing a pretty good job, but until they get your area upgraded, you'll be stuck on EDGE.
Hope that explanation makes sense. If not, here's a decent writeup:
http://9to5mac.com/2012/05/07/t-mob...rk-in-large-number-of-markets-by-end-of-2012/