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I'm using my HTCs for business purposes, and having the complete list of employees in my contacts is of great value to me.
There are 12'000 contacts in the database, I populate and synchronize it with mnotes (works great !)
Searching a phone number used to work just fine on my Himalaya (SPV M1000) and Blue Angel (SPV M2000), it took less than a second to find it. These were running WM2003.
Now I have a Wizard (SPV M3000) and a Hermes (SPV M3100): with the same database it takes * 4-5 MINUTES * :shock: to find a phone number; completely unusable. These are running original Windows Mobile 5.
As a cross check I tried upgrading the Blue Angel to WM5: it took again minutes, while on the same hardware and WM2003 it works just great.
Installing other PIMS (Informant), or tweaking the registry doesn't really help much; it's just fine tuning while I need to go from minutes to sub-seconds... it really looks like Windows Mobile 5 added too much overhead.
How can I solve this problem ?
I know it sounds crazy, but probably the best solution would be to downgrade to Windows Mobile 2003 on the Hermes... any idea if it's possible ?
Thanks
Rael6lo said:
I'm using my HTCs for business purposes, and having the complete list of employees in my contacts is of great value to me.
There are 12'000 contacts in the database, I populate and synchronize it with mnotes (works great !)
Searching a phone number used to work just fine on my Himalaya (SPV M1000) and Blue Angel (SPV M2000), it took less than a second to find it. These were running WM2003.
Now I have a Wizard (SPV M3000) and a Hermes (SPV M3100): with the same database it takes * 4-5 MINUTES * :shock: to find a phone number; completely unusable. These are running original Windows Mobile 5.
As a cross check I tried upgrading the Blue Angel to WM5: it took again minutes, while on the same hardware and WM2003 it works just great.
Installing other PIMS (Informant), or tweaking the registry doesn't really help much; it's just fine tuning while I need to go from minutes to sub-seconds... it really looks like Windows Mobile 5 added too much overhead.
How can I solve this problem ?
I know it sounds crazy, but probably the best solution would be to downgrade to Windows Mobile 2003 on the Hermes... any idea if it's possible ?
Thanks
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Yup, this IS a problem with the architecture and can NOT be fixed. PI does buffer the contacts in RAM but the initial loading is as slow as without using it. (I haven't tested the latter myself - I'm just reciting what others say who did already test PI in this respect.)
You may want to tell the WebIS / PI folks to read in the Contacts database into the RAM buffer as soon as the device starts so that the first lookup can already be made from RAM.
What are the real gains to upragde an "old" 400 MHz Himalya 2003 SE to a WM2005 ?
Speed ? MP3 Ringtones ? Compatibliy ? Stability ?
Anyone who could give me a piece of advise, it will be a great help.
WM5 - slower, but nice graphics and comfortable using with one thumb.
IMHO
I Need Urgent Help!!!
argh!! people i need help! fast! i have an i-mate PPC phone edition and its running on wm2003... i need an upgrade to 2003SE or wm5 but i dunno how to do it... pls help me...
You need to use the search function of this forum..
Or if you need a real time helper contact me through Yahoo Messenger
I went for c_shekar's WM5 and I have to admit I love it. Just for the better camera software - I lost the zoom but gained an edit/rotate function. And the auto-correct is pretty good for low light pics. And the soft buttons are great. It took a while to get used to some things being in different places, but overall I'm extremely impressed.
WM5 On the last AKU 3.5 best, at me never so quickly the device did not work...
Zarlator said:
What are the real gains to upragde an "old" 400 MHz Himalya 2003 SE to a WM2005 ?
Speed ? MP3 Ringtones ? Compatibliy ? Stability ?
Anyone who could give me a piece of advise, it will be a great help.
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I like the fact that an empty battery doesn't wipe out the memory (Storage).
(if you don't install your programs in ram)
Gr. Mach2005
at fact now.
everybody use ram-disk - so you still can loose your data.
as for me - i choose wm5 because of better IE an SPB Mobile shell.
it little more slowest and buggy then wm03se, but it not so bad at all.
if one copy the content pf ramdisk to a sdcard and copy it back if data is lost and softreset then one all is well
"better ie" sounds a bit like an oxymoron
Speed: 2003SE Faster because programs work on ram not rom like 2005.(It's old device, I not serious when it's hang but sometime it will hang)
MP3 Ringtones/Polyphonic Midi: 2003SE and 2005 MP3 Ringtone ummm... not serious for me but polyphonic ringtone, sound of instrument is different with 2003/2003SE (I use same midi files to test.)
Compatibliy: 2005 is newer. I answer 2005.
Stability: 2005 AKU 3.5 is better than 2003SE
Phone: When I use 2003SE OS My girlfriend tell me about sometimes she call me but it have waiting tone but I didn't hear it.
When I use 2005 I not heard about somebody can call me and my device not wakeup when somebody calling me.
Hello, everyone here say that WM6 is much faster than original WM5 rom. I for one have managed to flash every shipped WM6 rom and what can I say: molski AKU 3.3 WM5 is BY FAR the fastest rom! Why is that?
I've encountered many issues connected with using wm6, like: softkey lag (it takes almost 1 sec. for wizard to proceed the softkey. The screen rotation is also slow.
Can anyone tell me what is wrong?
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Hello, everyone here say that WM6 is much faster than original WM5 rom. I for one have managed to flash every shipped WM6 rom and what can I say: molski AKU 3.3 WM5 is BY FAR the fastest rom! Why is that?
I've encountered many issues connected with using wm6, like: softkey lag (it takes almost 1 sec. for wizard to proceed the softkey. The screen rotation is also slow.
Can anyone tell me what is wrong?
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When you find out, let me know
I managed to "beat" the TMobile 2.26 in benchmark. System speed is similar, but still not the same thing.
What WM6 ROm version did you actually use to compare and how did you compare?
Lots of people here are now using WM6 including myself and I really don't see any issues regarding performance when you compare to WM5.
So, I suggest you to play little more specially with these recently ones like X-plore 1.1, read the benchmarks and see the difference.
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Hello, everyone here say that WM6 is much faster than original WM5 rom. I for one have managed to flash every shipped WM6 rom and what can I say: molski AKU 3.3 WM5 is BY FAR the fastest rom! Why is that?
I've encountered many issues connected with using wm6, like: softkey lag (it takes almost 1 sec. for wizard to proceed the softkey. The screen rotation is also slow.
Can anyone tell me what is wrong?
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Hello, everyone here say that WM6 is much faster than original WM5 rom. I for one have managed to flash every shipped WM6 rom and what can I say: molski AKU 3.3 WM5 is BY FAR the fastest rom! Why is that?
I've encountered many issues connected with using wm6, like: softkey lag (it takes almost 1 sec. for wizard to proceed the softkey. The screen rotation is also slow.
Can anyone tell me what is wrong?
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I thought Molski's 3.3 aku was snail paced, 2.3 aku is by far the fastest. superrom1.1 with NO overclocking is faster than every other rom with overclocking! ymmv
Man, I've tried EVERY rom, starting from UNDERGROUND, through MB, and ending on Xplore 1.1
Each rom has the same issue, softkey lag, and slow screen rotation. Maybe it is faster in TCPMP or in whatsoever. Nevertheless, comparing to Molski WM5 or even T-mobile 2.26 - WM5 is much faster !
When talking of speed why don´t we share sktools benchmarks with and without overclocking to each ROM without any software. Just after hardreset, tweaks, and sktools.
Let´s start to compare??
BTW the overclocking speed that TCPMP shows is more specific than to compare batterystatus vs. omapclock.
Btw. after anichillus will be ready with Xplore 2.0 this discussion will end - because I believe him to create the fastest.
yea xplore 2.0 will be the tits
It would be a neat thing to compare all these roms. One added complexity is that many of the custom roms are by default overclocked, so they would need to be manually throttled down for the comparison to be fair. (For example, supperrom 1.1 is by default overclocked to 252 mhz, Molski's has both smartskey and battery status installed, but I don't remember the default settings.) In addition, filecache and sd cache settings can greatly affect reported sd read speeds. Also, I'm not sure how the benchmarks compare with "real world" speed, but its the best we have for now.
Have fun!
1. Xplore 1.1 (taken from thread) 195Mhz (BS)
2. XPlore 2.0 (early stadium) (taken from thread) 195mhz
Poppamops, a favor...
Since you're running the new x-plore, could you check the following registry values?
HKLM>Drivers>SDCARD>ClientDrivers>Class>MMC_Class:
BlockTransferSize
HKLM>Drivers>SDCARD>ClientDrivers>Class>SDMemory_C lass:
BlockTransferSize
HKLM>System>StorageManager>FATFS:
CacheSize
HKLM>System>StorageManager>Filters>freplxfilt:
ReplStoreCacheSize
I've found these tweaks will increase the reported SD read rate greatly.
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Well i think farias wm6 (the real thing) is working awesome and it is so much faster than my mda with wm5. Especially the soft keys and especially the message buttons and internet explorer button on top of the phones. So i highly recommend this rom. And i think you may have a bunk wm6 rom. switch it up to one of the newer ones and you'll see a difference
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Well i think farias wm6 (the real thing) is working awesome and it is so much faster than my mda with wm5. Especially the soft keys and especially the message buttons and internet explorer button on top of the phones. So i highly recommend this rom. And i think you may have a bunk wm6 rom. switch it up to one of the newer ones and you'll see a difference
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At your clock speed no wonder it's going fast.
You'll burn your wizard if you keep it at 299 ...be carefull.
Well i am running Farias rom on my other 8125. I have 2 8125's and 1 MDA. On the one with farias rom it is only overclocked to 260. thats it. Havent really tried anything higher and really dont need to. ITs pretty fast. And Anichillus i have heard some real good stuff about your rom. seriously i had to ponder about which WM6 rom to use. EIther yours or Farias. Its just farias had a couple of programs already included that i needed. But on my next 8125 i will be running Xplore 2. So im looking forward to that one.
299mhz at BatteryStatus is only about 260+mhz in real.
Yeah i think it was about 270 something. somewhere around there
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Yeah i think it was about 270 something. somewhere around there
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Also good for comparing clockspeed is tcpmp. It shows clockspeed
Guys , the BatteryStatus shows the right speed !
Other don't ! How can you trust a program with your CPU if it doesn't even show you right speed ?
How do I know that ? Well , just read clock speed with omap or any other just after flash...it should be 195MHz on a stoc rom ... then contradict me.
I think you're wrong anichillus. We may have 195 mhz omap processor, it runs on 170 mhz in windows though. It is a hardware but software trick.
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I think you're wrong anichillus. We may have 195 mhz omap processor, it runs on 170 mhz in windows though. It is a hardware but software trick.
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Can you share something to support that ? Or it's just an affirmation ?
Thinking about a change in form factor and trying out the Vox but I'd like to hear some experiences of anyone who went from Hermes/touchscreen to smartphone format.
I'd love to wait for the rumored 'wings' S730 but not sure that will ever see daylight.
I had the TyTN via my employer for a few months, but had to return it when I left that job. Got a S710 and I actually like that more than the tytn. I thought I would miss the touch screen but the vox is so easy to navigate that it's no problem.
rgards Björn
i have both the TyTN (cingular 8525) and the Vox in my hands.
I had the TyTN first as a replacement for my treo 600.
The TyTN is a wonderful device, but a bit too much for what I use it for (I dont even use data, so 3G doesn't matter to me). I mostly use WiFi for the occasional browse.
The TyTN definitely has a larger customization factor, which i miss with the Vox.
I thought speed would be a definite difference, but if you use OmapClock to ~250Mhz, it's a significant increase in performance.
Video playback works real nicely with TCPMP on the Vox too. Some video's i don't even need to convert. It may not be as powerful as the TyTN, but it's sufficient for my needs.
I like the Vox formfactor a bit better. The slider is much more secure, and the numeric keypad is something i missed on the TyTN.
Sometimes i catch myself tapping the Vox, forgetting there isn't a touchscreen, but the menu's and programs are very smartphone friendly, and I haven't had any problems navigating menu's as yet.
and for some reason, the screen on the Vox seems a bit nicer than on the TyTN. could be because the TyTN has the same resolution, but larger size, so it doesn't look as sharp.
i'm keeping the Vox, anyone want a TyTN?
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i have both the TyTN (cingular 8525) and the Vox in my hands.
I had the TyTN first as a replacement for my treo 600.
The TyTN is a wonderful device, but a bit too much for what I use it for (I dont even use data, so 3G doesn't matter to me). I mostly use WiFi for the occasional browse.
The TyTN definitely has a larger customization factor, which i miss with the Vox.
I thought speed would be a definite difference, but if you use OmapClock to ~250Mhz, it's a significant increase in performance.
Video playback works real nicely with TCPMP on the Vox too. Some video's i don't even need to convert. It may not be as powerful as the TyTN, but it's sufficient for my needs.
I like the Vox formfactor a bit better. The slider is much more secure, and the numeric keypad is something i missed on the TyTN.
Sometimes i catch myself tapping the Vox, forgetting there isn't a touchscreen, but the menu's and programs are very smartphone friendly, and I haven't had any problems navigating menu's as yet.
and for some reason, the screen on the Vox seems a bit nicer than on the TyTN. could be because the TyTN has the same resolution, but larger size, so it doesn't look as sharp.
i'm keeping the Vox, anyone want a TyTN?
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How does it compare, size wise, to the Hermes?
the tytn is a giant compared to it
its much lighter than the tytn, i barely notice it on my waist holster
about 1cm shorter and 1.5cm slimmer
about the same thickness though
i can take some pictures when i get home
I had both a Wizard and a Tytn before I bought this device.
Those are more of PDAs that can be used for phones calls.
This is more of a PHONE that can be used from some PDA functions.
I see the Hermes and Vox in 2 totally different categorys.
BUT
I do miss touch screen, and I miss the SPEED...
My vox seems really SLOW AND LAGGING! Does anyone else have this problem????? Is there some fix i need to add or a certain ROM I need to install to make the run smoother??
The complaints I have about this device is its performance! I also find it is alot harder to type with a substanitally smaller keyboard. As well, WHY DOES IT SLIDE OUT "THE WRONG WAY"????? And no flashlight for the camera.
use OMAPCLOCK to overclock the vox
i notice a substantial difference, especially when switching apps and playing videos, and landscape switch is faster too
and if you notice it lagging still, go to task manager and see what you have open
one thing about the tytn i liked is the ability actually CLOSE programs and free up ram, not have them suspended
anitanium said:
use OMAPCLOCK to overclock the vox
i notice a substantial difference, especially when switching apps and playing videos, and landscape switch is faster too
and if you notice it lagging still, go to task manager and see what you have open
one thing about the tytn i liked is the ability actually CLOSE programs and free up ram, not have them suspended
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No X-Button for WM6 Standard?
i switched from tytn to s710 too. only missing voice command DE on my vox, since ist is only avalible in english for smartphones.
S710 is more compact and better to use, due the normal phone keys. i like it more. the only bad thing is the 200 mhz cpu, which is not the fastest...
the battery lifetime is much better, even with data and bt switched on. I use data to sync my exchange 24/7
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I got my Vox a few days ago
Size difference between Vox and TyTn is like a Poodle compared to a Great Dane - huge difference. I'd never carry my TyTn in my pocket but I do my Vox easily.
Speed is a huge problem with my Vox but I will try to overclock.
Fiddle Factor - pain in the but but kinda fun changing the Home screen .xml files so you can get it the way you want it -- I had to modify to get GoodLink stuff while keeping PhoneAlarm running.
WiFi worked well at first glance - for some reason I had more trouble with my TyTN.
Many programs (that probably would be fine since I often don't use the touch screen) won't install on the Vox. Does anyone know how to easily "force" a PocketPC program on a Smartphone ?? (I haven't exhaustively searched that question so just ignore if the answer is obvious).
I'll keep you posted on my first week of use. I'll keep my TyTn in my briefcase.
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No X-Button for WM6 Standard?
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Hello everyone, I'm an 1-week-vox owner.
Generally speaking I like the device very much, altough I am having some difficulties adapting from palm to WM6, and I must say I am a bit disappointed with WM6, namelly it is very slow and, something I found soooo odd and (sorry for sincerity) stupid: programs don't actually close/terminate when I close them (????).
So I have been searching the web for a program that would compensate that flaw (I consider it a flaw, at least the user should be given the option to configure the close button) and have tried:
magic Button
InClose
smClose
Running Programs 1
And, last but not least, HTC x-button.
None of these work on my s710, I guess it is because s710 is a smartphone and all those programs where designed for PPC.
Is there somewhere a WM6 for smartphone compatible program that makes the red-key actually close the programs? I don't need a task manager, just a simple, small app.
Thanks everyone
I'm about to buy my first WM phone. I have had several WM PDAs, my current one being the HP 4705 running WM5. Can anyone tell me if the memory management in WM6 has been improved over WM5? I find my PDA grinding to a near halt almost every day and am forced to do a soft reset. I also notice my memory meter slowly dropping throughout the day (memory leaks), even if I don't get one of those irritating slowdowns. I'm guessing in a typical day I do a soft reset 3-4 times. Has this issue been fixed/improved with WM6?
Thnks.
-Bob-
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I'm about to buy my first WM phone. I have had several WM PDAs, my current one being the HP 4705 running WM5. Can anyone tell me if the memory management in WM6 has been improved over WM5? I find my PDA grinding to a near halt almost every day and am forced to do a soft reset. I also notice my memory meter slowly dropping throughout the day (memory leaks), even if I don't get one of those irritating slowdowns. I'm guessing in a typical day I do a soft reset 3-4 times. Has this issue been fixed/improved with WM6?
Thnks.
-Bob-
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Is there NO one using WM6???? Or am I in the wrong forum?
it probably depends on your device and wich drivers and software combination you're using. I'm not sure but I think only one or two devices have the official wm6 available. You may bet a better answer on the wizard wm6 forum.
I think you will find a lot of the people on XDA-Developers that use Windows Mobile 6 do so from an unofficial release of WM6 on an existing device that shipped with WM5. As a result it's not very easy to evaluate issues like memory usage. Further to this, the quality of WM is highly dependent on the device, the operator that customised it for the device, and the minor version + build number. You might describe it as something of a crap shoot, which unfortunately I would doubt gets better with WM6 (but I might be wrong).
The good news is, certainly if you get a HTC device, this forum is excellent for helping upgrade to an alternative version that may improve things.
Your questions were quite difficult to answer. You see no I don't have to re-set 4 or 5 times under WM6, but then I never had to do that under WM5 either.
I can't possibly comment on the internal operatings and memory management, all I can say is that WM6 runs much faster than WM5 used to, and feels like a good upgrade. But that's not what you asked.
I still use a Third party task manager for closing applications like I did with WM5. I don't think much has changed in regards to automatically unloading apps to free up memory, but that's not how I use my Artemis anyway.
WM6 was called "6" purely for marketing reasons.
From technical standpoint its much closer to AKUs - mostly it differs in built-in applications. Contrary to AKUs it also provides changed UI visuals.
Hovewer it still uses CE 5 kernel, and internal OS version for it is "5.2"
All internal architecture is same with WM5.
Menneisyys report that the bluetooth stack in org wm6 roms are better then wm5 and doctored wm6's