I'm about to buy my first WM phone. I have had several WM PDAs, my current one being the HP 4705 running WM5. Can anyone tell me if the memory management in WM6 has been improved over WM5? I find my PDA grinding to a near halt almost every day and am forced to do a soft reset. I also notice my memory meter slowly dropping throughout the day (memory leaks), even if I don't get one of those irritating slowdowns. I'm guessing in a typical day I do a soft reset 3-4 times. Has this issue been fixed/improved with WM6?
Thnks.
-Bob-
rebecker said:
I'm about to buy my first WM phone. I have had several WM PDAs, my current one being the HP 4705 running WM5. Can anyone tell me if the memory management in WM6 has been improved over WM5? I find my PDA grinding to a near halt almost every day and am forced to do a soft reset. I also notice my memory meter slowly dropping throughout the day (memory leaks), even if I don't get one of those irritating slowdowns. I'm guessing in a typical day I do a soft reset 3-4 times. Has this issue been fixed/improved with WM6?
Thnks.
-Bob-
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Is there NO one using WM6???? Or am I in the wrong forum?
it probably depends on your device and wich drivers and software combination you're using. I'm not sure but I think only one or two devices have the official wm6 available. You may bet a better answer on the wizard wm6 forum.
I think you will find a lot of the people on XDA-Developers that use Windows Mobile 6 do so from an unofficial release of WM6 on an existing device that shipped with WM5. As a result it's not very easy to evaluate issues like memory usage. Further to this, the quality of WM is highly dependent on the device, the operator that customised it for the device, and the minor version + build number. You might describe it as something of a crap shoot, which unfortunately I would doubt gets better with WM6 (but I might be wrong).
The good news is, certainly if you get a HTC device, this forum is excellent for helping upgrade to an alternative version that may improve things.
Your questions were quite difficult to answer. You see no I don't have to re-set 4 or 5 times under WM6, but then I never had to do that under WM5 either.
I can't possibly comment on the internal operatings and memory management, all I can say is that WM6 runs much faster than WM5 used to, and feels like a good upgrade. But that's not what you asked.
I still use a Third party task manager for closing applications like I did with WM5. I don't think much has changed in regards to automatically unloading apps to free up memory, but that's not how I use my Artemis anyway.
WM6 was called "6" purely for marketing reasons.
From technical standpoint its much closer to AKUs - mostly it differs in built-in applications. Contrary to AKUs it also provides changed UI visuals.
Hovewer it still uses CE 5 kernel, and internal OS version for it is "5.2"
All internal architecture is same with WM5.
Menneisyys report that the bluetooth stack in org wm6 roms are better then wm5 and doctored wm6's
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Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
WM6.0...
The new look and a lot faster device...
Is there any feature that won't be available with WM6, that did work fine in WM5?
Thanks,
vma
Video call isn't working yet.
Rolud said:
The new look and a lot faster device...
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The way I see it, WM6 may or may not work for you and may or may not do it for you. Try it. You can always go back to WM5. Most people don't.....
Well .... the simple answer is that I did a lot of searching and reading, and finally tried it out for myself.
I asked this very question a while ago right here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1130569&postcount=88
And came to the follwowing conclusion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1155497&postcount=89
In the conclusion, the thing about the Bluetooth Stack / Voice Command - it was actually Voice Command that was the problem and this issue was fixed in Jrwightmcps' 2.02.00 WWE http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=297256
Crossbow ONLY!
Tell you the truth... i see the new WM6 is better eye-catching GUI not to mention the enhancement in the functionality and other usability such as email related functions. I know that MS wont just upgrade for no obvious reason nor for desktop OS compatibility.
Yet i reckon i wont -never- go back to magento! Crossbow ONLY!
@nvatvani:
Indeed your posts where the only ones I read, that contained some usefull info about the subject.
No offense to all the other members of course!
I was simply wondering about what to do when my MDA Pro arrives: replace the German firmware with a WWE WM5 one or go straight ahead to WM6 without even looking at WM5.
Also, I had some problems with my Blue Angel, when I tried WM5 on it: it may have been a coincidence, but one day after the upgrade the screen went mad and totally messed up. Only 1 Hardreset in about 100 tries would bring it back to normal for some period of time and even reflashing it with WM5 or 2003SE would not make it work normal again. The screen would get messed up suddenly for no particular reason. At the end I had to send it in for repair, which was actually a good thing, as I complained about the loose stylo and bad working hardkeys, all within warranty. I got a new key-pcb, backside and they reflashed the device with 2003SE. I posted this issue in the BA forum, but got no usefull hint. This means I am a little scared of upgrading to unofficial releases.
Other than that, I have no problems with flashing, as I do that on my other hobby (satellite receivers) frequently, including JTAG-operations for repairing bricked devices. The same applies to games consoles. (Note: I do not sell or benefit commercially from that activity and my goal is not to get illegal software or TV - not that you guy's get the wrong idea about me).
Anyway, thanks for your replies!
Cheers,
vma
What Windows Mobile 5.0 AKU 2.0 has and Windows Mobile 6 (the cooked ones, having tried them all) doesn't have, according to my experiences:
1. Videocalling - at least not a proper one
2. Bluetooth Dial Up Networking (the DUN profile)
3. Wireless Modem (yet some WM6 ROM's have it, although without shortcut in the start menu)
4. Cyberon Voice Dial by default (some WM6 ROM's have it by default, others will need a 500kB CAB to activate it)
The reason why I went back to "good old" WM5 is mainly the reliability. Ok, the OS may be a bit slower here and there, but it has all the functionality (e.g. videocalls and Bluetooth DUN), and NEVER hangs. It just always works and that's what I desperately need right now.
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The things Windows Mobile 6 has for me that 5.0 hasn't which I miss the most:
1. High resolution browsing in the normal Internet Explorer (I don't want to use alternatives)
2. HTML email support
3. The impressive speed of the OS
Applications like WM6's Windows Live and the superb Remote Desktop Client are also available for WM5, so I don't need to miss those, otherwise I sure would, and then I might have sticked with WM6.
The new sounds and GUI are great, but I don't really miss them, since that's not a true functional thing.
Having WM5 up and running again, without freezes and memory leaking and with full HTC Universal functionality, is enough for me to be happy with it and to stick with it. If there ever will be a ROM that actually ADDS Windows Mobile 6 on top of all of this (without a single registry tweak or CAB fix needed), then it's the time for me to upgrade again.
If such a ROM will ever see the daylight, since it won't be officially available for the Universal, I don't know. I think the HTC X7500 (Athena) will be there sooner (April 2007 over here), and that one will have a official WM6 upgrade for sure. That'll be my next one, so until then: WM5 for my Universal!
So far for my opinion.
why do I use WM6
vma said:
Hi,
While I am waiting for my MDA Pro to arrive, I have been reading a lot in the Universal section (have a BA myself).
May I ask for some valid reasons why someone would want to use homebrewed WM6 releases instead of official/customized WM5?
I do understand the fun it is to try out new things, but is it really worth it? I did not find many posts that would clear this question.
Thanks,
vma
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To be honest, I used them all and later delteted them after 5 2 hours. They leak a lot, ram is at minimum and useless third party applications, and a lot fo thing sodn't really work or missing (I just want a vanill aone without 3rd party applications).
Except for one rom, Darkforce, it is fast and furious, and so far I have using it for two days; battery usage is good, and no leaks. However, no video calling, and no way to set com ports for bluetooth devices. any1 has this problem?
However, common to all ROMS, no video calling, old calculator, speed dial messed up (some work and some don't), wireless connection bubble missing (yes you can install a cab but I don't want to do that).
<Mind you, contrary to other reports, I never had any freezes with any rom.
The thing that attracts me is HTML in email, High resolution mode in explorer, better remote desktop connectivity.
So I thhink I am sticking with DarkForce ROM, so far so good.
Thx
Thinking about a change in form factor and trying out the Vox but I'd like to hear some experiences of anyone who went from Hermes/touchscreen to smartphone format.
I'd love to wait for the rumored 'wings' S730 but not sure that will ever see daylight.
I had the TyTN via my employer for a few months, but had to return it when I left that job. Got a S710 and I actually like that more than the tytn. I thought I would miss the touch screen but the vox is so easy to navigate that it's no problem.
rgards Björn
i have both the TyTN (cingular 8525) and the Vox in my hands.
I had the TyTN first as a replacement for my treo 600.
The TyTN is a wonderful device, but a bit too much for what I use it for (I dont even use data, so 3G doesn't matter to me). I mostly use WiFi for the occasional browse.
The TyTN definitely has a larger customization factor, which i miss with the Vox.
I thought speed would be a definite difference, but if you use OmapClock to ~250Mhz, it's a significant increase in performance.
Video playback works real nicely with TCPMP on the Vox too. Some video's i don't even need to convert. It may not be as powerful as the TyTN, but it's sufficient for my needs.
I like the Vox formfactor a bit better. The slider is much more secure, and the numeric keypad is something i missed on the TyTN.
Sometimes i catch myself tapping the Vox, forgetting there isn't a touchscreen, but the menu's and programs are very smartphone friendly, and I haven't had any problems navigating menu's as yet.
and for some reason, the screen on the Vox seems a bit nicer than on the TyTN. could be because the TyTN has the same resolution, but larger size, so it doesn't look as sharp.
i'm keeping the Vox, anyone want a TyTN?
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i have both the TyTN (cingular 8525) and the Vox in my hands.
I had the TyTN first as a replacement for my treo 600.
The TyTN is a wonderful device, but a bit too much for what I use it for (I dont even use data, so 3G doesn't matter to me). I mostly use WiFi for the occasional browse.
The TyTN definitely has a larger customization factor, which i miss with the Vox.
I thought speed would be a definite difference, but if you use OmapClock to ~250Mhz, it's a significant increase in performance.
Video playback works real nicely with TCPMP on the Vox too. Some video's i don't even need to convert. It may not be as powerful as the TyTN, but it's sufficient for my needs.
I like the Vox formfactor a bit better. The slider is much more secure, and the numeric keypad is something i missed on the TyTN.
Sometimes i catch myself tapping the Vox, forgetting there isn't a touchscreen, but the menu's and programs are very smartphone friendly, and I haven't had any problems navigating menu's as yet.
and for some reason, the screen on the Vox seems a bit nicer than on the TyTN. could be because the TyTN has the same resolution, but larger size, so it doesn't look as sharp.
i'm keeping the Vox, anyone want a TyTN?
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How does it compare, size wise, to the Hermes?
the tytn is a giant compared to it
its much lighter than the tytn, i barely notice it on my waist holster
about 1cm shorter and 1.5cm slimmer
about the same thickness though
i can take some pictures when i get home
I had both a Wizard and a Tytn before I bought this device.
Those are more of PDAs that can be used for phones calls.
This is more of a PHONE that can be used from some PDA functions.
I see the Hermes and Vox in 2 totally different categorys.
BUT
I do miss touch screen, and I miss the SPEED...
My vox seems really SLOW AND LAGGING! Does anyone else have this problem????? Is there some fix i need to add or a certain ROM I need to install to make the run smoother??
The complaints I have about this device is its performance! I also find it is alot harder to type with a substanitally smaller keyboard. As well, WHY DOES IT SLIDE OUT "THE WRONG WAY"????? And no flashlight for the camera.
use OMAPCLOCK to overclock the vox
i notice a substantial difference, especially when switching apps and playing videos, and landscape switch is faster too
and if you notice it lagging still, go to task manager and see what you have open
one thing about the tytn i liked is the ability actually CLOSE programs and free up ram, not have them suspended
anitanium said:
use OMAPCLOCK to overclock the vox
i notice a substantial difference, especially when switching apps and playing videos, and landscape switch is faster too
and if you notice it lagging still, go to task manager and see what you have open
one thing about the tytn i liked is the ability actually CLOSE programs and free up ram, not have them suspended
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No X-Button for WM6 Standard?
i switched from tytn to s710 too. only missing voice command DE on my vox, since ist is only avalible in english for smartphones.
S710 is more compact and better to use, due the normal phone keys. i like it more. the only bad thing is the 200 mhz cpu, which is not the fastest...
the battery lifetime is much better, even with data and bt switched on. I use data to sync my exchange 24/7
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I got my Vox a few days ago
Size difference between Vox and TyTn is like a Poodle compared to a Great Dane - huge difference. I'd never carry my TyTn in my pocket but I do my Vox easily.
Speed is a huge problem with my Vox but I will try to overclock.
Fiddle Factor - pain in the but but kinda fun changing the Home screen .xml files so you can get it the way you want it -- I had to modify to get GoodLink stuff while keeping PhoneAlarm running.
WiFi worked well at first glance - for some reason I had more trouble with my TyTN.
Many programs (that probably would be fine since I often don't use the touch screen) won't install on the Vox. Does anyone know how to easily "force" a PocketPC program on a Smartphone ?? (I haven't exhaustively searched that question so just ignore if the answer is obvious).
I'll keep you posted on my first week of use. I'll keep my TyTn in my briefcase.
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No X-Button for WM6 Standard?
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Hello everyone, I'm an 1-week-vox owner.
Generally speaking I like the device very much, altough I am having some difficulties adapting from palm to WM6, and I must say I am a bit disappointed with WM6, namelly it is very slow and, something I found soooo odd and (sorry for sincerity) stupid: programs don't actually close/terminate when I close them (????).
So I have been searching the web for a program that would compensate that flaw (I consider it a flaw, at least the user should be given the option to configure the close button) and have tried:
magic Button
InClose
smClose
Running Programs 1
And, last but not least, HTC x-button.
None of these work on my s710, I guess it is because s710 is a smartphone and all those programs where designed for PPC.
Is there somewhere a WM6 for smartphone compatible program that makes the red-key actually close the programs? I don't need a task manager, just a simple, small app.
Thanks everyone
Hello all,
Just looking around the upgrade section of the Magician (or O2 as ive got) had led me thinking about upgrading my O2 with custom software.
However, one thing sticks in my head. Which one ?
I've been doing some reading on the 2.03 which is commonly mentioned, however reading from peoples experience, there are things which have been left out - one user mentioned he no longer had things like O2, excell etc.
So i guess the point of this thread is to ask you out there and provide me with your opinion on what is the best upgrade. Of course its going to be a personal preference, however the more opinions i get the better informed ill be.
Things i need to consider:
1. Overall improvement of the O2
2. Speed - I need the O2 to run better for when im being a 'power' user
3. Improvement to existing applications such as camera, sound, bluetooth etc.
4. Minimal loss of current 'standard' applications. Im not totally experienced with my O2 and i dont really want to go start looking for applications that i already had on my O2 when i first got it.
5. New programs/applications - There must be things that O2 didnt plan on putting on the device that others have thought of.
Any help would be most appreciated.
doesnt anyone have any opinions ?
I tried 2.03 and didn't like it. The lack of transcriber annoyed me the most as well as the fact it is Russian and doesn't quite have 100% English compatibility. It did feel a bit quicker than the standard rom though. I think excel works now though, which is a plus
I flashed back to my original rom (1.11 i think it was), but did the soft reset before the extended_ROM installed, and installed just a select few options, which drastically improved the speed.
Not really aware of any other custom upgrades... are there others?
I installed 2.03 since 1-2 week and I like it very much: I have installed all the programs I need and I never saw any russian text (except Keyboard+ options menù, but I do not use it, and CabInst , easily replaceble by english version).
It is fast and free of useless standard programs like the ridiculous FileExplorer well replaced by the beautiful TotalCommander. It does not have Excel? Wonderful!!!! Pocket Excel (and Pocket Word too) is just something more than a viewer. without basically Office functions: use SoftMaker Office 2006 and you can finally really work with Word and Excel documents!
I am quite sure that if you want standard programs like transcriber you can find easily a valid substitute on the net or directly the CABs extracted from original ROM by someone.
Intalling into the "RAM" only the programs that really need speed (today plugins, input tools, profile manager, ecc), and the other ones between BigStorage and SD, I have a more stable Magician with very good performance and more than 30Mb of free RAM for loading programs!
Hello, I was wondering if there was a Linux-based OS I could install on my phone (like Android, except that I hear that Android doesn't support a lot of phones yet). I am quite disappointed with the interface Windows Mobile 6 gives me and it isn't very touch friendly, and doesn't provide simple (and quick) ways to access things.
I am mainly looking for one with a much more usable interface and a decent set of applications (that either comes with it or is available with it).
Any further information on this would be appreciated.
Edit: any general information on any hacks/programs I can install to improve the general UI of the whole phone would also be appreciated. I've also heard about Windows Mobile 7 - when will it come out, and will it be a free upgrade?
I reckon WM 7 will be released in 2010, so that'll take a while.
WM 6.5 seems to be more finger friendly (the bigger start menu, etc. NO personal experience with it different from seeing today-screen and start menu on a flashed hermes), but just running M2D/TF3D on a WM 6 device already improves it by a lot.
Also, which OS you can install is limited to your device, it might be useful to mention which one you have.
Ok, My phone is a Dopod 383 Pro. It has many names sometimes it's called a HTC something, an I-Mate something and so on, but I call it a Dopod 383 Pro.
How do I get WM 6.5 on it?
What about M2D or TF3D, what are they?
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Ok, My phone is a Dopod 383 Pro. It has many names sometimes it's called a HTC something, an I-Mate something and so on, but I call it a Dopod 383 Pro.
How do I get WM 6.5 on it?
What about M2D or TF3D, what are they?
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You can get WM 6.5 (BETA) on it by flashing your ROM. I'm not experienced with this, so for more information about flashing you should check out the stickied posts.
M2D (Manila 2D or TouchFLO2D) and TF3D (TouchFlo3D) are today-screen plugins by HTC, which give a bar with tabs at the bottom of your homescreen. Here's a youtube video to give you an idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMAUprcFqc&feature=related
The difference between M2D and TF2D is the name, and the difference between those and TF3D is that TF3D has some more fancy animations and such, but requires more of your devices CPU power making it a bit slower.
I believe you have to flash your ROM for this aswell, with a ROM that has 1 of them built in, but I'm not entirely sure.
One thing - Before flashing, Read all information about it you can find. If you fail, things can turn nasty.
Hope that helps
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Hello, I was wondering if there was a Linux-based OS I could install on my phone (like Android, except that I hear that Android doesn't support a lot of phones yet). I am quite disappointed with the interface Windows Mobile 6 gives me and it isn't very touch friendly, and doesn't provide simple (and quick) ways to access things.
I am mainly looking for one with a much more usable interface and a decent set of applications (that either comes with it or is available with it).
Any further information on this would be appreciated.
Edit: any general information on any hacks/programs I can install to improve the general UI of the whole phone would also be appreciated. I've also heard about Windows Mobile 7 - when will it come out, and will it be a free upgrade?
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Yes you can install 6.1 or even 6.5 and maybe linux, just do a search on your correspondent subsection here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
For example, if you enter on Universal section you can see linux for Uni, and there are also for other devices
Good luck,
Rather than looking for a new OS, why not change how it looks via WAD2, SPB Shell etc?
I have recently seen alot of ROMS for WM6.5 and they all look the same from the screenshots.... ugly!
I mean what is with all the HUGE text listed down the screen, am I the only one who thinks this is a stupid setup? What happened to the Start Menu and clean today setup?
Are people just updating to WM6.5 just 'cos its 6.5, or do you actually like the look of it? Please give your opinions on WM6.5, and more importantly what is the difference between WM6?
I am using WM6.1 on 2 of my devices as I like the Today Screen feel and the way everything is set out. I am contemplating putting 6.5 on a device just to test it out, is it really worth it? is it customizable to make the home screen not just BIG words down the screen? maybe a clock even lol.
thanks everyone for your opinions.
i think it looks great.
As long as you have good apps installed to cover nasty WM UI no matter if you have 6.1 or 6.5
I personally do not like the honeycomb, but I do like that the hole UI is more finger friendly
Let´s see the WM7!! hope they really impress us
I like it because its 6.5 that .4 of more awesome 1337ness!!!! lol.. I actually just like the better slightly larger menu buttons. the new start menu is neither here nor there for me.. I don't like titanium, it has potential, but till you can have more than one link on click per panel it is pretty lame to me.. seems to take more effort to get to my necessary apps with it than without it.. I have been using wad2 on my last few flashes. My device is i910 Omnia, with the BlazingWolf 7.1 rom.
On my observation, the main advantages of WM6.5 over WM6.1 are:
RAM Managemenet: In WM6.5 I never need to run the apps to clear RAM. Any time I quit a program, the RAM will be released imediately.
Power Consumption Controll: The battery life is noticably enlonged copare using WM6.1, on same load.
Connectivity: One example is on WM6.1 any time I'm using Internet Sharing I need to manually switch phone band to WCDMA to ensure stable fast data connection. And if I forget to switch it back to GSM or Auto after finished the Internet Sharing, phone calls on 3G mode will drain the battery very fast. But on WM6.5, I noticed that I don't need to switch phone band again, just leave it as Auto. The OS is so smart that it knows what time to switch to what band. Example, when I use internet sharing, it will stay at 3G for most of the time. When I make or receive a phone call, it will switch to GSM immediately after the phone connected.
Finger Touch Experience For this I don't explain more, it's just much more comfortable on finger/stylus responds.
Third Party Apps Interface: Well I'm not a developer, but from the changes on some registry structure, I can definitely tell that WM65 will be more friendly to third party application developers.
These are very core elements of a mobile os. The progress of wm65 on these points is obviously noticable.
But because the change of the core. It causes a big problem on legacy apps compatibility. People find that a lot of apps running well on wm6 just can never run on wm65.
But I think currently both Microsoft and third party software vendors are working tight on this issue. At least for most part of popular softwares, we can find a wm65 compatible version now. But for some speciall software, we can not find it if the developer did not upgrade it.
For sure, there are certain advantages of using 6.5 over 6.1. (The advantage is not only 'skin' things that you can see it, more important is on the 'core'.)
Hence your choice just depend on what softwares you're using. If for all your 'must-have' softwares you can find a WM6.5 compatible version or its replacement, why not use WM6.5.
Edit: I don't like the Titanium & the headache to customize it either. I just disabled it & leave an 'empty today', but with HButton, I can reach all frequently used apps within one single touch.
The RAM used by Titanium is 3.5MB+, compares to HTC Home @1.5MB+, & M2D @ 7MB+.
I like the looking of Honeucomb,(for showup only), but I also use QuickMenu, which is more functional.
Must to say that above experience are from the single ROM I've used only, maybe there are performance variaties on different ROMs & devices.
And at last, one of my most favarite part is the new PIE, it definitely can display whatever a desktop ie does except only one tab allowed.
I like 6.5. I find it runs pretty well on the kaiser, and I prefer its look to the old Windows 3.x interface found in the older versions. Plus, the finger scrolling is superb. And if you don't like the honeycomb, there are other start menu layouts, one example here. WM6.5 is just a band-aid to hold us over until WM7, but it's still a step in the right direction for Microsoft.
Dave
Yes, I think i will be waiting for wm7, but i just can't help myself any longer and I am going to take the plunge to wm6.5 on my Elfin or Wizard just to give it a go, I think it should run well on the elin with the RAM it has and without really checking out the custmizations, my assumptions is basically on the interface on standard screenshots i have seen.
thanks for the input guys, only a flash will i be able to add further opinions, as i am a heaver modder, and would need this to offer proper insight into the OS.
I've bounced back and forth between a couple 6.1 and 6.5 ROMs. I use TouchFLo because I hate 6.1's today screen and Titanium is pretty bland. I think that the current touchflo manila 2.1 is about the best you can get for WM6.1 currently, but I don't think manila 2.1 is streamlined for WM6.5. I feel like I'm taking a step back in integration and fluidness when I use Touchflo 2.1 and WM6.5. Not much, but it just seems off. This leads me to think that the new manila 2.5 is HTC's update to bring that integration and fluidness to WM6.5. The specualtion is that manila 2.5 is going to be for the new Firestone. While that is probably true, HTC has also mentioned that the new Topaz and Rhodium will get WM 6.5 upgrades. I would like to assume that this upgrade will also include manila 2.5 because if I feel that WM6.5 and TouchFlo 2.1 is lacking a complete feel then I would take that HTC has also noticed this. Yeah, I'm rambling I know. Just my thoughts. Bottom line on WM6.5 is that it seems like Microsoft just made a piss poor attempt at skinning there relic OS. That just pertains to the aesthetics though. I know there were unseen changes that do have their benefits.
(Sorry for all the "I feel and I would assumes", just ponderings)