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myTouch 4G Slide - first impressions

Hi all,
(I just joined today - hope you would go easy on me as I am still learning the xda etiquette.)
Just received my T-mobile HTC myTouch 4G slide and activated it on Sunday.
(Now before I jump onto my first impression of the phone, let me be clear - Till Sunday, I was proud owner of Nokia N900. I still love that phone. But I had to jump onto the Android bangwagor sooner or later since Nokia decided to to WinMo way. N900 was a solid phone with an unpolished/unfinished OS. Nokia never gave it a chance to mature.)
So, please keep in mind that I am new to Android as well as HTC and the phone itself.
Here is what I liked in my one full day of playing with the hardware and the OS/Software:
1. Android is fast, stable and polished, and enough apps to install one every day for rest of my life.
2. Phone is fast, not much stutter, has not crashed yet. Data connection is stable and voice quality is good.
3. UI looks, er, shiny (I do not give much weight to this, but apparently, a lot of people do, given popularity of 'certain' phones).
4. Keyboard is good. (one of the main reasons to buy the phone, as querty keyboard is a must for me )
Now onto negatives:
1. Lack of user control - though I have flexibility in controlling a lot of things on Android, there are a lot of other things which I really want to control but can not - i.e. uninstall t-mo / HCT bloatware (see my next point).
2. Bloatware - this was a shock to me. N900 is a clean device with no crap installed. T-Mo and HTC made sure I start hating my phone on day one by giving me pre-installed uninstallable crap. Not only I do not want them, it actually confuses me. I do not have a dedicated media player - but I have a 'Media Room' with T-Mobile TV and Slacker Radio (and none of them are complete versions). Bejeweled 2, T-mo backup, Highlight, Friend Stream - the list goes on, and I can not remove any of the app.
3. Android - no default file manager. Are you kidding me?
4. Contact - multiple entries from multiple sources (i.e. 411 & more is listed 4 times - one from google, one from tmo backup, one from phone and one from sd card). I know I can link them, or disable view of some of them, but god damn it - it's confusing as hell.
5. Camera - now don't get me wrong. The camera on this phone may be one of the best among Android/iphone phones, but where it gives you a lot of megapixels, the lens (and hence the quality) does not hold water against N900. Software can not make up for hardware limitations.
6. Battery - I almost ran out of juice before I even reached home from work in the evening - and that too from very limited use. Yes, I used phone for quite a bit, but without wireless/gps. I understand the display eats battery, but come on - shouldn't a smartphone be up on batter for one full day?
I will add more as I come across.
Please note that this is not a rant - there is some genuine disappointment with my first real hands on with Android/HTC. With the bloatware on this phone, I feel like I am being take advantage off, and I hate that feeling.
I am a linux user for 12 years (personally and professionally - as a programmer) and I consider myself a power-user (though not anywhere near Guru level), and so far, the phone has not given me even a default file browser.
I really hope to find more positive things to say, as I am committed to Android now that there is hardly any other linux-y OS out there.
Thanks
E

I agree. i havent upgraded since the G1.... i was very excited ... and first hands on was huge disapointment. bloatware, yes, and no skype video ...thats an android issue but none the less the phone seemed very unorganized and i was getting a billion messages from all over the internet with the bloatware subrcribing me to every little notification.

All of your problems except for "Camera issues" will be fixed as soon as S-OFF is available, and dev's will begin porting roms and developing roms. I expect overclocking to be tremendous with this dual core processor, since the mytouch 4g can now be clocked to over 2.0 ghz.
*If you want a file manager download astro from the market.
I forgot whether it requires root or not. If that one does, there are many other file managers just search.

Seems like the judgments are extra harsh and could all be solved by software, unrooting, etc. I'm stoked to be able to overclock to 2 GHz and then some. S-OFF on the MT4GS will be awesome!!!

There are many very good free media players/music players on the market (ex. Tinyplayer) . Same with the file managers, Astro is recommended. That's what the market is there for, as they knew dovelopers could provide the device with excellent applications.
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Can you confirm if google talk video chat works? I've heard it does not support it even though it's 2.3.4 . Thank you.

NAZology said:
Can you confirm if google talk video chat works? I've heard it does not support it even though it's 2.3.4 . Thank you.
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It seems you have heard it right.
Apparently, I did not know:
1. Android 2.3.4 enabled voice/video chat for GTalk app.
2. I certainly did not know HTC/T-MO decided to disable it!
Instead, there is Qik Video Chat app from tmo. For some reason, they think it's equivalent to gtalk? *facepalm*
(Now I hope I am wrong, but I have checked all options on GTalk app, and I do not see either video or audio icon next to my contacts, even if they are available to chat on video).
Let me add that to another negative.

Shaddy-Z. said:
All of your problems except for "Camera issues" will be fixed as soon as S-OFF is available, and dev's will begin porting roms and developing roms. I expect overclocking to be tremendous with this dual core processor, since the mytouch 4g can now be clocked to over 2.0 ghz.
*If you want a file manager download astro from the market.
I forgot whether it requires root or not. If that one does, there are many other file managers just search.
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Thanks. I know it's pretty new device, and mods/root/s-off will be available soon. That's why I have registered here. I was just giving first impression of the stock device. Yes, I have already downloaded Astro (does not require root). Not much impressed, but gets the job done.
unclespoon said:
Seems like the judgments are extra harsh and could all be solved by software, unrooting, etc. I'm stoked to be able to overclock to 2 GHz and then some. S-OFF on the MT4GS will be awesome!!!
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Yes, I know it would get resolved by software/unrooting. That's why I am on this forum. As I said above, these is my first impression of the stock device. And no - I don't think it's harsh at all. Sorry if I came across like that.
aronck said:
There are many very good free media players/music players on the market (ex. Tinyplayer) . Same with the file managers, Astro is recommended. That's what the market is there for, as they knew dovelopers could provide the device with excellent applications.
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Sure there are. But my point is that there are some apps which should come by default on the phone as part of the OS (e.g. Google Search, Contact, Calendar are part of the vanilla Android), and File manager should be at the very top. Anyways, I have already downloaded Astro, and many other apps to play around with it.
I am definitely looking forward to get rid of the software as soon as I can. Otherwise, this baby will have to go back.
Thank you for your comments.

eismcsquare said:
It seems you have heard it right.
Apparently, I did not know:
1. Android 2.3.4 enabled voice/video chat for GTalk app.
2. I certainly did not know HTC/T-MO decided to disable it!
Instead, there is Qik Video Chat app from tmo. For some reason, they think it's equivalent to gtalk? *facepalm*
(Now I hope I am wrong, but I have checked all options on GTalk app, and I do not see either video or audio icon next to my contacts, even if they are available to chat on video).
Let me add that to another negative.
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How about Skype support since no one I know or no one those people know or those people know that know those people uses Gtalk or Qik.

rorytmeadows said:
How about Skype support since no one I know or no one those people know or those people know that know those people uses Gtalk or Qik.
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Skype is audio only. No video support.

I moved from a very old android phone so this phone has so far not been able to truly lag on me.
My last phone was regular android even with stock so that is what I wanted. I'm not one to modify my home screen at all. I like the default black 2.3 look and that's what I want. Not Sense.
The fact that I have to void my warranty just to remove it makes me furious. Of course I could bring it back to none rooted state for that. Regardless I think it's hilarious that a bunch of marketing folks think they know better then I do. Heh.
I've made Android apps before and actually code for a living so it's pretty easy to tell that it's a rushed job. The sense front end has no way to disable contact finding so your phone basically becomes facebook and puts contact suggestions directly into your notifications based on your contacts.
Every single "built in" application then requires you to then agree to the terms of service for that specific application. Things like "KidZone", "Highlight", "T-Mobile Mall", "T-Mobile TV". One of the silliest ones is "doubleTwist" which when opened shows you a splash that asks you to click a "Send Email" button which sends you a link to download the app. It then removes itself off the phone. Sounds like malware to me.
So some company payed off Tmo to put this app on my phone so they can harvest my email. Yay.
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I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!

Akujin said:
I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!
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I'm personally hoping Faux123 cooks us some roms lol

Akujin said:
I don't have time for this bull****. Where's my cyanogenmod!!
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I'm personally hoping Blah and Sparks port PyroMod to the MT4Gs after root and S-Off are achieved. But that's just me, and I like to add as much memory as possible (A2EXT would certainly enable THAT).
Also, to OP, just wait until root is available and you'll see just how amazing Android can be. I recommend OI File Manager for a default one (this is the one preinstalled on Cyanogenmod-based ROMs). I switched to this one after too many buggy Astro updates and they started with ad-supported versions.

eismcsquare said:
Hi all,
(I just joined today - hope you would go easy on me as I am still learning the xda etiquette.)
Just received my T-mobile HTC myTouch 4G slide and activated it on Sunday.
(Now before I jump onto my first impression of the phone, let me be clear - Till Sunday, I was proud owner of Nokia N900. I still love that phone. But I had to jump onto the Android bangwagor sooner or later since Nokia decided to to WinMo way. N900 was a solid phone with an unpolished/unfinished OS. Nokia never gave it a chance to mature.)
So, please keep in mind that I am new to Android as well as HTC and the phone itself.
Here is what I liked in my one full day of playing with the hardware and the OS/Software:
1. Android is fast, stable and polished, and enough apps to install one every day for rest of my life.
2. Phone is fast, not much stutter, has not crashed yet. Data connection is stable and voice quality is good.
3. UI looks, er, shiny (I do not give much weight to this, but apparently, a lot of people do, given popularity of 'certain' phones).
4. Keyboard is good. (one of the main reasons to buy the phone, as querty keyboard is a must for me )
Now onto negatives:
1. Lack of user control - though I have flexibility in controlling a lot of things on Android, there are a lot of other things which I really want to control but can not - i.e. uninstall t-mo / HCT bloatware (see my next point).
2. Bloatware - this was a shock to me. N900 is a clean device with no crap installed. T-Mo and HTC made sure I start hating my phone on day one by giving me pre-installed uninstallable crap. Not only I do not want them, it actually confuses me. I do not have a dedicated media player - but I have a 'Media Room' with T-Mobile TV and Slacker Radio (and none of them are complete versions). Bejeweled 2, T-mo backup, Highlight, Friend Stream - the list goes on, and I can not remove any of the app.
3. Android - no default file manager. Are you kidding me?
4. Contact - multiple entries from multiple sources (i.e. 411 & more is listed 4 times - one from google, one from tmo backup, one from phone and one from sd card). I know I can link them, or disable view of some of them, but god damn it - it's confusing as hell.
5. Camera - now don't get me wrong. The camera on this phone may be one of the best among Android/iphone phones, but where it gives you a lot of megapixels, the lens (and hence the quality) does not hold water against N900. Software can not make up for hardware limitations.
6. Battery - I almost ran out of juice before I even reached home from work in the evening - and that too from very limited use. Yes, I used phone for quite a bit, but without wireless/gps. I understand the display eats battery, but come on - shouldn't a smartphone be up on batter for one full day?
I will add more as I come across.
Please note that this is not a rant - there is some genuine disappointment with my first real hands on with Android/HTC. With the bloatware on this phone, I feel like I am being take advantage off, and I hate that feeling.
I am a linux user for 12 years (personally and professionally - as a programmer) and I consider myself a power-user (though not anywhere near Guru level), and so far, the phone has not given me even a default file browser.
I really hope to find more positive things to say, as I am committed to Android now that there is hardly any other linux-y OS out there.
Thanks
E
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You say you are a Linux developer, and you are complaining about bloatware? You are kidding right?

Android1126 said:
You say you are a Linux developer, and you are complaining about bloatware? You are kidding right?
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Please. Read the title of the post first.

I just realized something: Why hasn't the hacking/development community made a "status of root update" thread for the Doubleshot the way they did for the Vision? Permaroot and S-OFF are what's really holding me back from getting this device (PyroMod 2.3.5's speedy boot time on the Vision actually DOES rival that of dual-core phones, so I'm in no hurry to get it; I'm just asking why there isn't one).

blackknightavalon said:
I just realized something: Why hasn't the hacking/development community made a "status of root update" thread for the Doubleshot the way they did for the Vision? Permaroot and S-OFF are what's really holding me back from getting this device (PyroMod 2.3.5's speedy boot time on the Vision actually DOES rival that of dual-core phones, so I'm in no hurry to get it; I'm just asking why there isn't one).
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You could make it?

i9070 running CyanogenMod 11 with six-day battery life!

I got a used i9070 last week that was still running Android 2.3. After updating it to the official 4.1.2 ROM and then installing the latest CyanogenMod 11 build by NovaFusion team and customizing it, my Samsung S II Lite / Samsung S Advance battery life lasted more than six days without charging it !
The screenshots look dark because the brightness level is set to low and use Twilight, but it looks good on the screen of the device.
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After taking this screenshot, I decided to finally charge it. Here are my home and about screens:
ROM: CyanogenMod 11 by NovaFusion (December 2014 release). Relevant installed apps:
AdAway
AFWall+
ES File Explorer
F-Droid
Google Keyboard
Google Play Services (I've kept mainly the Play Store and Calendar)
Intelli3G
List My Apps
Power Toggles
System App Safe Remover
Twilight
Xposed Installer
I keep all synchronization services turned off when I'm not using it. Intelli3G is set to also automatically change the network mode to 2G when mobile data is off. This makes it use a lot less battery than the default 3G mode.
I've also found out that Google Play Services kept wasting my battery even when data and Wifi connections were turned off, so I used the built-in CyanogenMod Privacy Guard app to prevent it from waking the device up.
I've also turned off some animations with the Android developer options, and it feels very fast to use. It's charging relatively quickly too.

anewpoweruser said:
I got a used i9070 last week that was still running Android 2.3. After updating it to the official 4.1.2 ROM and then installing the latest CyanogenMod 11 build by NovaFusion team and customizing it, my Samsung S II Lite / Samsung S Advance battery life lasted more than six days without charging it !
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SS you attached don't make any sense bcz there isn't any app you used ! battery life doesn't depend on how many app u installed it depends on how may you actually used !!
plus you even turned off play services so how come one can get notifications depends on it ?!
so put SS of SOT & give proof of you used phone in that 6 day bcz Novafusion is king of lies
bcz one can charge phone and put it aside for 2 weeks also, it may be still on but it don't mean that rom battery backup is good

@jineshpatel30 Not even the most expensive phones would last so much if you actually spent a lot of time touching it. The phone was mostly just connected to the cellular network to receive calls and messages (I'm using it as my main phone and take it everywhere), and the list of apps I posted show what I used to customize it, not everything that is on it. Hence the word relevant.
The point of this thread is that the battery would normally be wasted in a normal install even inside your hypothetical box, and I solved this by automatically disabling everything but the cell signal when I'm not looking at the screen. As for Google Play notifications, I don't need any of them except the calendar one, and I can easily synchornize it in 5 seconds.
When I get a data plan, I'm going to browse maps and some sites daily too, and AdAway and AFWall+ will help me save a lot of battery in relation to a standard install. Even if you use yours to do a lot of things every day, you can gain some battery life by using Intelli3G too.

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@jineshpatel30 Not even the most expensive phones would last so much if you actually spent a lot of time touching it. The phone was mostly just connected to the cellular network to receive calls and messages (I'm using it as my main phone and take it everywhere), and the list of apps I posted show what I used to customize it, not everything that is on it. Hence the word relevant.
The point of this thread is that the battery would normally be wasted in a normal install even inside your hypothetical box, and I solved this by automatically disabling everything but the cell signal when I'm not looking at the screen. As for Google Play notifications, I don't need any of them except the calendar one, and I can easily synchornize it in 5 seconds.
When I get a data plan, I'm going to browse maps and some sites daily too, and AdAway and AFWall+ will help me save a lot of battery in relation to a standard install. Even if you use yours to do a lot of things every day, you can gain some battery life by using Intelli3G too.
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So basically you r saying that you created this thread just to show "stand by time of i9070 on cm11"
So change thread title to that..
Btw no one is interstated in that !
N also if one wants to sync manually and check all notification by opening apps every time (regarding disabling play service) then i think he shouldn't even buy smart phone !
Whenever you ready to USE yr phone (atleast daily moderate use) check yr battery ...i bet you won't get more than 1.5Hr SOT with 6hr up time

@jineshpatel30 I for one am among the people interested in the longest possible battery life and read many threads on this and other forums to find the best solutions. You keep ignoring the fact that my tips contain things useful for all kinds of users, like automatically changing the network to 2G when you aren't using your data plan. If you prefer to drain your battery as much as you can, just ignore this thread. I don't see the point of coming here just to attack me and the used phone I got as gift.
I assume you're trolling and am going to ignore your replies from now on.

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@jineshpatel30 I for one am among the people interested in the longest possible battery life and read many threads on this and other forums to find the best solutions. You keep ignoring the fact that my tips contain things useful for all kinds of users, like automatically changing the network to 2G when you aren't using your data plan. If you prefer to drain your battery as much as you can, just ignore this thread. I don't see the point of coming here just to attack me and the used phone I got as gift.
I assume you're trolling and am going to ignore your replies from now on.
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1st of all i'm not trolling.
I'm telling the facts that if you bought a phone atleast you need to let it do some basic things automatically...putting all things manual and blocking necessary apps doesn't make any sense to improve battery life bcz you can charge phone atleast once a day without much trouble.
And if you are telling about improvement with battery life your thread should be "improve battery life with xxx app" not like "6 day battery on CM11" bcz changes you made (blocking) and apps you are using are not specific to any rom.
And inteli3G is very popular app so most of xda members already knew about that. And personally i noticed that it use more battery than you could save by using it IF YOU USE YOUR DATA PLAN EVERY NOW AND THEN (it may be useful if you rarely ise data plan)
So my point is if you make new thread then make it proper..
1st you said 6day battery on CM11 with device you barely used
Then you are saying i'm taking about my configuration ( blocking play service n sync) which normal user can't do
And now about app which can work in any rom !
So be clear what you are telling to ppl and give appropriate name to thread...this will help to to spread right info to more users.
And sorry if you feel like i'm trolling or attacking you , but i'm not

There is already an thread for this:
Battery live post yours I9070/P battery live

Yep, in stand by my Janice have 10 days from charge. New original battery, stock, rooted and Cocore kernel.
But its irrelevant on stand by.

S7 Edge Android 7.0 (Nougat) Performance Guide

Some of this guide may apply to Android 6.0 (Marshmallow) as well. I've honestly forgotten what 6.0 was like since I have been on the 7.0 beta for so long, but some of this is possible on the older software.
So the reason I decided to make this guide was because I recently almost sold my S7 Edge due to poor performance. When I first installed Nougat it was great, but over time the phone got worse and worse. I realize this is an Android thing in general, but it just got to be so annoying that I couldn’t ignore it any longer. I have a vanilla android tablet that flies and when I would switch back to the phone it was almost unbearable. This guide will help out significantly with that issue.
First off you'll want to enable "Developer options". Go to Settings > About device > and then tap on "Build number" 7 times to enable Developer options.
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Once in Developer options scroll about 3/4 way down to find three entries that say "animation scale". Change all three entries to "0.5x".
Next we need to go to the Playstore and download an app called "Package Disabler Pro". Yes it's 2 dollars and yes you want/need it.
Before running the app download the .XML file I have attached to this post called "XDA.xml". Now go ahead and open the app and let it load. Next click the three dots in the top right and select "Import from xml". Select the xml file you downloaded from the previous step. This will disable some of the pre-installed apps that you don't need. I encourage you to look through this entire list and click on each item that you would never use, this will permanently disable that app from running or appearing in your app drawer. You can easily undo it at any time by clicking the apps name again (taking the check out of the box). Just to let you know I have 33 additional apps disabled other than the ones in the "XDA.xml" file, I have all kinds of stuff disabled that I don't use; gear vr, gear manager for watches, android pay (I use Samsung pay), S-voice (I used google dictation for everything). I really encourage you to go through and get rid of anything in there that you don't use, it will help the phone out a lot. Once you're done reboot the phone.
When the phone boots up go to the "Device maintenance" section of the settings menu. I at first ignored this section as I felt that it was gimmicky an unnecessary, but then realized that it's actually very useful.
First let’s go to "Performance mode". There is a ton of stuff you can do with this, but I am only going to address one of them. Click on "settings" and then "Screen resolution". Change it to 1920x1080 (FHD). You can always change it back if you really need something such as VR, but most of the time you will not be able to tell that there was a change in resolution.
Next go back to Device maintenance and select "RAM". This menu allows you to close out things from RAM that you don't want running. The problem with this is that Linux (Android) prefers to have apps stay in RAM instead of having to reload them each time you open them, so closing them is kind of counterproductive. Not only that but almost everything that you close from this menu will re-enable itself in the next few minutes anyway. This menu, like the "Battery" section, gives you a look at things which are running that you may not know about. I went through this list and uninstalled apps that I didn't even use so that they weren't just hanging around running without me knowing. A lot of the apps on this list were running and I never even opened them to begin with, that kind of bugs me. I got rid of the ones I could and then used Greenify (more on that in a minute) on the others. Any apps on this list that you for sure never opened, need to be added to Greenify (see next section for instructions) because they are running themselves and using resources.
Now for Greenify. Go to the playstore and download the "Greenify" app and follow the instructions to set it up. It takes a few steps to setup but you only have to do it once. Pay attention as some of the steps are a little tricky and they all must be enabled for the app to function properly. Once installed you will use Greenify to hibernate the apps that you found from the previous section (ram manager) that you don't want awake all the time. Some apps just run themselves without asking you first and sit there consuming battery. I would first decide whether you even need that app to begin with and if you do, then go ahead and Greenify it. Something to note here is that if you Greenify an app that NEEDS to stay awake to work, such as a chat program or music apps, they won't work properly. These apps are easy to spot because they have little blue "gcm" icons next to them, so be careful. To add an app to the "Greenify list" (auto hibernation) just hit the + button in the top right to start adding them.
Once you're done with all that, your phone should be flying. It's not even the same phone anymore really. One thing I want to point out is that the Samsung keyboard on Android 6.0 was trash. It was a completely unusable piece of non-working trash. The auto correct couldn't keep up with any reasonable typing speed, so no words would be corrected at all and you would be left with a mess of a paragraph. I solved that with Swiftkey originally, but for some odd reason it was never blazing fast on this phone. It caught every single mistake, but when you were typing there was just enough lag to kind of throw off your typing speed and it looked like crap. I am happy to say that on Android 7.0 the new Samsung keyboard is the best keyboard I have ever used. They FINALLY got it right after all these years. Honestly all of their keyboards have sucked. They could never seem to get them right, whether it was lag or just plain non-functioning auto correct, it was always something. This one is perfect and if you're using Swiftkey I would uninstall it as it continually reruns itself even when you force close it. It's also a resource hog, so if you don't need it, get rid of it.
There is it, you should be good to go with these small adjustments. A lot of you don't even have 7.0 yet, but when you do at least you will have a head start. There is nothing worse than paying $800 for the latest smartphone only for it to be a laggy mess. Hopefully this helps somewhat with that problem.

Good advice. I just got my S7E the other day. I was (am) so disappointed there is no root for this device. My other android is a note 4 and there is a huge development community, so that's what I've been used to for the past 2 years. I'm missing little things that you can do with root... Ad away for 1, and honestly 3minit battery and 3minit clock. Like I said little things.
And to be honest, the S7E doesn't feel "that" much faster than my Note 4. Which has got me scratching my head. It's faster but not the night and day difference I expected.
Well I look forward to nougat. And using these tips. Thanks!
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7E

I've disabled animations and disabled or removed bloat apps for years. I find I have to do a complete reset every couple weeks or so since being on beta. It gets HORRIBLE lag that no amount of cache clearing fixes.
PDP can actually ruin battery life as dependent apps are constantly running, searching for and not finding other apps they're tied to.

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I've disabled animations and disabled or removed bloat apps for years. I find I have to do a complete reset every couple weeks or so since being on beta. It gets HORRIBLE lag that no amount of cache clearing fixes.
PDP can actually ruin battery life as dependent apps are constantly running, searching for and not finding other apps they're tied to.
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My phone has been amazingly smooth for 2 weeks now, night and day difference. I agree, if you get carried away with disabling packages it can be counter productive. I've gone through and just disabled anything I didn't recognize, like 200 things disabled LOL Yea getting carried away with that program can cause some serious problems. I only disable things that are clearly apps that I wouldn't use and a couple others that I know for certain are insane battery hogs like the tmobile carrier IQ service that logs your every action (I forget the name at the moment but it's disabled in my XDA.xml).

joe3681 said:
PDP can actually ruin battery life as dependent apps are constantly running, searching for and not finding other apps they're tied to.
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Force the app, and clear it's cache and data before disabling it. I was ready to deal with the root issues to Uninstaller a bunch of apps when PDP failed to extend my battery life, but someone in another thread suggested cleaning the app and it worked wonders for me.
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Mine is still in android 6 and in uodate swction its not showing. What the hell is wrong where everyone using 7

saurabh88 said:
Mine is still in android 6 and in uodate swction its not showing. What the hell is wrong where everyone using 7
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Those of us how are running 7.0 are in the beta program, which is closed
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Ohk

Guide updated to add Greenify section, remove redundant and (non useful) section, and new XDA.xml app uploaded.

I think using (a) Package Disabler is maybe one of the most important steps! Including a pre-done .xml to help people disable bloat is fantastic. GREAT JOB! Thanks given!

Araltd said:
I think using (a) Package Disabler is maybe one of the most important steps! Including a pre-done .xml to help people disable bloat is fantastic. GREAT JOB! Thanks given!
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is there a difference if I just go into setting, applications and just disabling the app from there? is the app necessary ?

Izz14 said:
is there a difference if I just go into setting, applications and just disabling the app from there? is the app necessary ?
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You can't disable services with the in OS settings, only applications and not system applications.
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Sounds like the right thing to do, but since we have no real backup of our ROM, what does one do if the changes made by this app are not to the liking of the user? How can this process be reverted back to prior of the making of these changes?

I seem to have messed up when debloating my phone. What apks are required for GPS?

I made the title as self descriptive as possible. Im a huge anonimity nerd and i debloated my android to my style (Samsung Galaxy A32 5g) since there was no compatibility for Lineage or /e/OS in it. In doing so, i retain pretty much all i want, however one of the weird functions that doens't work as well as it used to is the GPS. I'm pretty sure what i did was disable an APK that uses the phone reception to track location, since when i enable GPS i can still get my location with amazing accuracy, however it takes several minutes (and i mean SEVERAL) after being turned on to track where i am, and in other apps it does not track at all.
The issue is that im an Uber Eats worker (not exactly, but similar style of work) and resetting the phone to factory would mean to debloat all over again.
So, does anyone knows more or less which APKs specifically interact between location and other apps to know which one to enable again?

Might be easier if you listed what you removed.
Dependencies...

blackhawk said:
Might be easier if you listed what you removed.
Dependencies...
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The issue is that i've removed quite a number of things across several days and didn't realize that my GPS wasn't working snap-fast as it was before very much late.

hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
The issue is that i've removed quite a number of things across several days and didn't realize that my GPS wasn't working snap-fast as it was before very much late.
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Off the top of my head I no clue which apk(s) do that. The apk names can be misleading.
Many of the smaller apks just sit there unless needed.
Especially on Samsung's you can really screw up functionality by disabling blindly, worse it may net near zero performance/increased battery life.
One reason I use a package disabler is mistakes are easy to correct when experimenting with minimum consequences.
Someone here likely does know so keep trying. If that model has it's own section on XDA, post a thread there.
It may be one of these although likely not the last one...
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Off the top of my head I no clue which apk(s) do that. The apk names can be misleading.
Many of the smaller apks just sit there unless needed.
Especially on Samsung's you can really screw up functionality by disabling blindly, worse it may net near zero performance/increased battery life.
One reason I use a package disabler is mistakes are easy to correct when experimenting with minimum consequences.
Someone here likely does know so keep trying. If that model has it's own section on XDA, post a thread there.
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Afraid it wasn't any of them, but thanks, im gonna look around.

hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Afraid it wasn't any of them, but thanks, im gonna look around.
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MDM App might be needed... best to not disable this probably.

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MDM App might be needed... best to not disable this probably.
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Afraid it didn't made a difference. Another weird issue i got however i think this is more of my android config is that after a while with the phone locked whatsapp closes and im not being sent any notifications until i unlock it and open it again. Do you suspect of any apk that need to be on to run the app or what setting could have messed that? I set the phone to never optimize battery and to not turn off data when locked and to not restrict it on whatsapp yet i still randomly open it to find several messages from hours ago that i never got notified for.

Ditch WhatsApp; trashware/malware.
Reload and start from the beginning.

blackhawk said:
Ditch WhatsApp; trashware/malware.
Reload and start from the beginning.
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God i wish i could delete whatsapp but i live in one of those countries where everyone and everything uses it.
As for reloading from the start, i've been thinking about it, but it took so much to delete so much bloat that i'd rather first try and see what i could salvage. After all, all the apks that i removed are still existing in the ROM as installers.

Reload, and use this this to at least set it up and determine what's safe to debloat.
If you disabled more than 90 apps, you probably killed more than is needed...

blackhawk said:
Reload, and use this this to at least set it up and determine what's safe to debloat.
If you disabled more than 90 apps, you probably killed more than is needed...
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Oh, dont worry, i use ADB, although next time i should probably keep in a list what i uninstalled.

hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Oh, dont worry, i use ADB, although next time i should probably keep in a list what i uninstalled.
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Problem being Samsung's are feature packed and many are useful. After 2 years I'm still exploring my N10+.
If you inadvertently kill a parent app all it's children dependencies go nuts. Some apps serve more functions than you'll ever find listed.
With no way to easily renable them... you have no hope of easily discovering them.
To this day I still update and modify my bloat list to make the device more functional and efficient.
Be careful what you kill... especially if you haven't used Samsung's extensively. I have 2 N10+'s, one running on 9, the other 10. The Q variant literally has dozens of small system apks than the P variant. Both devices behave almost identically. These dozens of small apks allow this. They use almost no resources or battery.
The Q variants battery life is the same or better.
Blocking these apks would serve no purpose and likely screw up the newer N10+. It has about 150 more new packages in the Q variant than the P. I used my imported block list from the AT&T P variant for the non carrier Q variant. I took out a few new ones that were bloatware but the disable head count remains similar between both devices.
So don't go too nuts as Samsung has added many new system apks to tone down and make Android 10 and up UI usable, look nice and prevent lose of functionality

blackhawk said:
Problem being Samsung's are feature packed and many are useful. After 2 years I'm still exploring my N10+.
If you inadvertently kill a parent app all it's children dependencies go nuts. Some apps serve more functions than you'll ever find listed.
With no way to easily renable them... you have no hope of easily discovering them.
To this day I still update and modify my bloat list to make the device more functional and efficient.
Be careful what you kill... especially if you haven't used Samsung's extensively. I have 2 N10+'s, one running on 9, the other 10. The Q variant literally has dozens of small system apks than the P variant. Both devices behave almost identically. These dozens of small apks allow this. They use almost no resources or battery.
The Q variants battery life is the same or better.
Blocking these apks would serve no purpose and likely screw up the newer N10+. It has about 150 more new packages in the Q variant than the P. I used my imported block list from the AT&T P variant for the non carrier Q variant. I took out a few new ones that were bloatware but the disable head count remains similar between both devices.
So don't go too nuts as Samsung has added many new system apks to tone down and make Android 10 and up UI usable, look nice and prevent lose of functionality
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Gotcha, although i've always been one for simplicity and all, to be honest i kinda wish i could just grab a barebones android OS for my phone and modify it from there.

hahaNSAgoBRRRR said:
Gotcha, although i've always been one for simplicity and all, to be honest i kinda wish i could just grab a barebones android OS for my phone and modify it from there.
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Depending on the model and how much support there is, you can, but it's going to be a time eating gravity well.
It's a lot easier to use stock Samsung's and configure them to suit your needs. Samsung probably has the best launcher out there at least on the N10+.

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Depending on the model and how much support there is, you can, but it's going to be a time eating gravity well.
It's a lot easier to use stock Samsung's and configure them to suit your needs. Samsung probably has the best launcher out there at least on the N10+.
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Guess that's what i get for getting a phone a few months in the market.

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Guess that's what i get for getting a phone a few months in the market.
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Been a bad year for phones and Android.
I spent a -lot- of time dialing in my N10+, but once done it runs great. You need to find the solutions and use work arounds when needed.
Stock Androids are almost impossible to crash. So... play with it.
Just make sure all critical data is redundantly backed up to at least 2 hhds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Do this or eventually you will lose data.

blackhawk said:
Been a bad year for phones and Android.
I spent a -lot- of time dialing in my N10+, but once done it runs great. You need to find the solutions and use work arounds when needed.
Stock Androids are almost impossible to crash. So... play with it.
Just make sure all critical data is redundantly backed up to at least 2 hhds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other and the PC. Do this or eventually you will lose data.
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I trust you on that! Thanks a lot for your help UH60.

Question Is it worth trying to root my Z Flip 3?

Hello good people of this forum
About a month ago I finally picked up myself a Z Flip 3 and I want to root it. The only issue is I'm scared of the risks and downsides of it. What are the chances I completely brick my phone when trying to root? Is rooting on Samsung especially hard compared to Google? How durable is the Z Flip 3 in general? Because considering rooting will void my warranty, if it breaks I'll be out of a phone and $900. Is it overall worth taking these risks with my phone are am I better off not trying?
Thank you!

You got money to burn?
If not I would leave it be...

In 15 or so years of rooting and probably more than a dozen phones I've only ever had one phone go back for repairs (S8+) for a new charging port under warranty without any problems being rooted, they even replaced the screen free of charge! so I'm not too concerned about warranties.
It's next to impossible to truly brick a phone, odin won't let you flash something you shouldn't be flashing. Rooting is done via Magisk and it's a piece of cake to do.

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You got money to burn?
If not I would leave it be...
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What makes you say so? Is rooting the Z flip 3 really that bad? Because the comment right under this is saying the complete opposite.

trustier said:
What makes you say so? Is rooting the Z flip 3 really that bad? Because the comment right under this is saying the complete opposite.
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Stock is perfectly functional once optimized.
Rooted is not. Depends what you want but if anything goes south the warranty is gone. Trade in value is too... no Knox.

Not the Z Flip 3. What would you do that for?

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Not the Z Flip 3. What would you do that for?
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For AdAway
Edit: use AdGuard for ad blocking. Thanks for correcting me

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For AdAway
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I actually use AdGuard. There's a free version and it's for non-rooted devices. I don't believe I've seen an ad on my device since I installed it.
I use to root every phone I bought as soon as a root method came out for it. I was rooting, unrooting, factory resetting, installing/uninstalling custom ROMs and recovery systems, doing back-ups and restores, phone set-ups (when the restore process didn't work properly), etc.. all the while losing some of the phone's original functionality. It got to the point where the amount of time I was spending customizing my phone (especially installing/uninstalling the never-ending variations of custom ROMs) was no longer worth the benefit. I was losing data, memory cards getting erased, etc.. It was frustrating. Plus you void the phone's warranty. A void warranty is not a problem unless you need to exercise it. Then you have regrets.
The Android OS has come a long way since then allowing a lot more user customization. Plus, there are more apps available now that allow you to further customize your phone without rooting it so you don't lose any of the phone's original functionality. Good Lock is one example of a customization app. It does some customizations that, in the past, your device had to be rooted to get. I'm sure there's plenty of other apps out there that would do just about whatever you want without rooting the phone.
Even a lot of bloatware can now be frozen or uninstalled without the need to root the phone. So I gave up rooting/customized ROMs and got back my time and sanity (lol). I haven't rooted a device in years and I don't miss it at all. I personally refuse to go back into that arena. But that's my experience. Others may have a totally different experience with it and get a lot more benefit out of it.

buru898 said:
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Plenty of free dns based ad blockers like blockada

luigi90210 said:
Plenty of free dns based ad blockers like blockada
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Or just do this (blocks ads globally)...
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Or just do this (blocks ads globally)...
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Does this block ads without having to actually install the AdGuard app?

crawls69 said:
Does this block ads without having to actually install the AdGuard app?
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Yeap. Works on installed apps and blacklisted sites in the browsers. Pretty cool.
On my N10+ running on Android 9 haven't had any malware breaches in about 2 years. This seems to help. Rarely interferes with usage.
Easy to disable if needed.

blackhawk said:
Yeap. Works on installed apps and blacklisted sites in the browsers. Pretty cool.
On my N10+ running on Android 9 haven't had any malware breaches in about 2 years. This seems to help. Rarely interferes with usage.
Easy to disable if needed.
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Wow. I'm gonna give it a try. I currently see no ads using the AdGurad app. If I continue to see no adds using the private DNS method and nothing else is adversely affected, I'll uninstall the AdGuard app. I'm using the free version so I'm not getting any additional features other than the free version comes with the ability to block trackers (not sure if using the private DNS method also blocks trackers). Thanks for the info.
Further bolsters the argument against needing to root...

crawls69 said:
Wow. I'm gonna give it a try. I currently see no ads using the AdGurad app. If I continue to see no adds using the private DNS method and nothing else is adversely affected, I'll uninstall the AdGuard app. I'm using the free version so I'm not getting any additional features other than the free version comes with the ability to block trackers (not sure if using the private DNS method also blocks trackers). Thanks for the info.
Further bolsters the argument against needing to root...
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A Samsung that isn't optimized is a mess, but rooting it will open a whole new can of worms.
I use Package Disabler, Karma Firmware (fully functional on Android 9) and that DNS setting.
That's it. The rest is just choosing apps wisely and settings optimization. No globally power management is active. Google play Services is kept disabled unless needed. OTA updates are always blocked.
The configuration of my other N10+ running on Android 10 is almost identical.
The load on the Android 9 variant will be 2 yo in June, still fast and stable with minimal maintenance. This is what a stock Android is capable of if you optimize it and don't keep screwing it up with upgrades/updates once its running well... and fulfilling its mission. My oldest app version is WPS office. It's over 5 yo, it's firewall blocked, is free and runs well. It runs on both variants.
Rather than the constant learning curves and fighting that upgrades, updates bring... use it!

I see many that gave up on rooting. I'm with you idk if I would ever root this phone

MySelf_v1 said:
I see many that gave up on rooting. I'm with you idk if I would ever root this phone
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If it seems like a bad idea... it probably is.

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You can run into issues using adguards DNS(I had issues with websites loading and certain restaurant apps) so I still suggest blockada or an app that's either VPN based and free or pay for a real VPN with an ad blocker
With the app if you have connectivity issues, with an app you can enable split tunneling and have that app bypass your ad blocker, it also allows you to turn off the ad blocker on the quick setting

luigi90210 said:
You can run into issues using adguards DNS(I had issues with websites loading and certain restaurant apps) so I still suggest blockada or an app that's either VPN based and free or pay for a real VPN with an ad blocker
With the app if you have connectivity issues, with an app you can enable split tunneling and have that app bypass your ad blocker, it also allows you to turn off the ad blocker on the quick setting
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It rarely causes issues if it does I temporarily switch back to the automatic DNS option.
Most times I ignore the few sites like double click that are giving me problems.

trustier said:
Hello good people of this forum
About a month ago I finally picked up myself a Z Flip 3 and I want to root it. The only issue is I'm scared of the risks and downsides of it. What are the chances I completely brick my phone when trying to root? Is rooting on Samsung especially hard compared to Google? How durable is the Z Flip 3 in general? Because considering rooting will void my warranty, if it breaks I'll be out of a phone and $900. Is it overall worth taking these risks with my phone are am I better off not trying?
Thank you!
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Rooted mine. Debloated the heck out of it. Battery lasts between 1.5 and 2 days now. Added an extra Atmos audio mod with Magisk, and now it sounds so much better.