I saw a new release, Fire OS 5.6.1.0. I didn't update yet. I wonder what this has in store for us, except a more hardened and hard-to-root firmware!
Someone who updated check out the changes and tell us here!
Be careful with this Update, probably has something to do with certified Google devices, the rule says: every device with a firmware build from march 18 and forward should be certified to be able to use Google apps.
So probably this Update wont be able to use Google apps.
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Be careful with this Update, probably has something to do with certified Google devices, the rule says: every device with a firmware build from march 18 and forward should be certified to be able to use Google apps.
So probably this Update wont be able to use Google apps.
The update isn't available on the U.S. site, but it's up on the Japanese page for the 2017 HD 10. For other Fire tablets, go to the U.S. update page and change the domain name in the URL from .com to .co.jp.
Update: 5.6.1.0 continues to be rootable from scratch (i.e., after an adb sideload). The bootloader files have different hashes, though.
Note: There's no need to adb sideload an update to test whether it's rootable. Just inject su:
-- Extract system.new.dat from the update .bin
-- Convert system.new.dat to system.img using one of the MTK tools
-- Mount system.img in Ubuntu and inject the su binary and other su files
-- Flash the rooted system.img and the 5.6.1.0 boot.img (from the update .bin) in FlashFire
As others have reported, 5.6.1.0 has a build date of 03/22/2018. W.r.t. certification, I read somewhere that devices with already signed-in Google users might be grandfathered? In any case, the lack of clarity regarding certification is one more reason to be armed with a 5.6.0.1 FlashFire backup.
donalberto17 said:
Be careful with this Update, probably has something to do with certified Google devices, the rule says: every device with a firmware build from march 18 and forward should be certified to be able to use Google apps.
So probably this Update wont be able to use Google apps.
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Be careful with this Update, probably has something to do with certified Google devices, the rule says: every device with a firmware build from march 18 and forward should be certified to be able to use Google apps.
So probably this Update wont be able to use Google apps.
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Build date appears to be 22nd March, so likely no Google Play Services functionality will be available from this point..
For those who don't want the update yet, make sure you use something like NoRoot Firewall to block OTA updates. Fire devices have a tendency to update at odd hours without user consent, Windows 10-style.
I'll see what happens when my mom's HD 8 updates.
Anyway, I have blocked the updates on router. If someone update an HD 8, please try Kingo Root or Offline Rooting by retyre.
lakitu47 said:
For those who don't want the update yet, make sure you use something like NoRoot Firewall to block OTA updates. Fire devices have a tendency to update at odd hours without user consent, Windows 10-style.
I'll see what happens when my mom's HD 8 updates, since she doesn't care about rooting/mods/tweaks/etc.
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Can you point which processes must be blocked? I have four, but it still managed to update to 5.6.0.1 recently.
xvitehx said:
Can you point which processes must be blocked? I have four, but it still managed to update to 5.6.0.1 recently.
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Happened to me too, even after blocking ALL Amazon apps. That, I think just works for someone, and doesn't for someone. That's why I moved to blocking them in router.
Wow, this looks like a major update! After a long time they moved 50.5.X.X to 50.6.X.X. That makes me think, it is almost sure that this is not downgrade-able.
EDIT: They also moved to 5.3.6.2 from 5.3.6.1.
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Happened to me too, even after blocking ALL Amazon apps. That, I think just works for someone, and doesn't for someone. That's why I moved to blocking them in router.
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I blocked all Amazon apps, turned on the "start on boot" feature, and my device hasn't checked for updates since 3/26.
Anyone with the update notice any major differences? Is there any reason to update if I am satisfied with my current rooted set up?
Someone with gapps (no root) updated to this version?
Are gapps still working?
The new gapps build date control is triggered only when accessing for the first time with Google account or even with a device already set up?
Fire HD8 7th gen - got auto updated to 5.6.1.0 today in India. Dont see any difference, all Google apps are working just fine. Not rooted, obviously
Change log.. good stuff
5.6.1.0 No loss of Google functionality
Just got pushed to 5.6.1.0, Fire 8 (2017) and Alexa is now available hands-free, which is the first thing the tablet notified me of after the update. I'm not rooted and I lost absolutely no Google functionality.
I updated Fire to 5.6.1.0 from Japanese Fire user.
Hello! I am a Japanese Fire user.
I updated my Fire to 5.6.1.0.
After that, I used Google, the Google Play Store, etc., but there is no problem.
However, I think that it is better to stop updating by looking at this reply.
I used Google translation, so I think that it is wrong sentence.
As per post#3..... does this mean that the FireHD 8 is now rootable if updated to 5.6.1.0 or just the HD 10's?
fire1951 said:
As per post#3..... does this mean that the FireHD 8 is now rootable if updated to 5.6.1.0 or just the HD 10's?
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Nope, I think just the HD 10s. Nobody tested though, it may work really.
Just got the 5.6.1.0 update on my Fire HD 8 this morning in the US. All my google apps are working correctly, no issues at all.
Google Play seems to work
donalberto17 said:
Be careful with this Update, probably has something to do with certified Google devices, the rule says: every device with a firmware build from march 18 and forward should be certified to be able to use Google apps.
So probably this Update wont be able to use Google apps.
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Be careful with this Update, probably has something to do with certified Google devices, the rule says: every device with a firmware build from march 18 and forward should be certified to be able to use Google apps.
So probably this Update wont be able to use Google apps.
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Just updated to Fire OS 5.6.1.0, it actually auto-updated while I wasn't looking. I have google apps side-loaded, no root. Google Play seems to work, apps are updating. YouTube plays videos, and Maps, Movies & TV and Chrome work too. Haven't tried anything else yet.
Fire HD 8 btw
Hey guys,
I'm waiting on my Xiaoxin Pad Pro 2021 [TB-J716F]. It's coming with the Chinese version and I intend to leave it like that hoping for Widevine L1.
However I got worried about something that I don't know how works in chinese roms: Will I be able to purchase apps or make in-app purchases with the installed play store?
Thanks,
The original app store is in Chinese and don't have translation for English.
What's recommended is installing the Google App store, and it's possible using the installed app store from Lenovo.
It's not difficult and it's the way to go.
Til this moment I didn't make any in app purchase with the Google app store, so I am not sure that it works without flaws. The installation of apps and updates works normally.
I bought an Amazon Fire HD 8 and a HD 8 Plus (12 gen. 2022) during the Black Friday sales. Both were running the original firmware, OS 8.3.1.1 out of the box. When the HD 8 (2020) was updated to OS 7.3.2.2, Amazon blocked the ability to stop system apps from being disabled. This is not the case with OS 8.3.1.1 on the 2022 model. If you enable developer options and USB debugging, then open an ADB shell on an attached PC and run the following command
Code:
pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota
this disables OTA firmware updates. This also works for other system apps (e.g. com.amazon.kindle.kso) so you can disable the lockscreen ads.
I presume they blocked this in later versions (8.3.1.2 and 8.3.1.3): it would be interesting to know if this is the case?
Also, blocking OTA updates prevents Amazon stock apps from being updated. If someone could send me a link to the latest versions of Amazon system webview, Amazon Shopping and Amazon Appstore apps for the 12th gen. HD 8 I would be grateful.
HOLY CRAP - such news about the latest Amazon tab allowing privileged access to system apps only got 152 views in a week?! similar news a few years back would have generate a few pages of replies!!
put it in another way - for $55, u get a hexa-core tab w/ 2GB RAM and 8" HD display AND Amazon is allowing u to disable its annoying system apps OUT-OF-BOX!
Amazon has had launch-day bugs before like the Fire HD 10 2019 was launched w/o blocking mtk-su hack even though Amazon had the patch months ago. That gave temporary root access to tabs at launch. This one seems to be even worse (or better ) because u get access out-of-box.
What is the big deal u ask? the privileged access let u disable all annoying Amazon apps like lock-screen ads, silk browser n fire launcher. u can disable them n replace w/ chrome brower n nova launcher.
Checking on Amazon firmware update page here - current firmware for Fire HD 8 2022 has been updated to 8.3.1.2. according to internet archive, 8.3.1.1 for Fire HD 8 2022 was never released on that page. so buying the tab now and disabling the update app is the only way to keep 8.3.1.1.
if anyone else has bought the tab, please check the firmware ver. would be VERY interesting to see if this access has been removed in 8.3.1.2. this is enticing enough that i may consider buying one to play.
@MontysEvilTwin - the webview n appstore for FireOS are different from the Android versions on Play store so i think u have to extract the individual apk files from the update package.
edit: look around on the web - no one has mentioned access to sys apps. but the newest firmware is 8.3.1.3 n u may need it if u wanna sideload Play store.
@MontysEvilTwin -- Thank you for the tip! Worked great!
@newnewcomputer -- Just purchased a Fire HD 8 2022, arrived yesterday. I skipped the setup process. It's still sitting at v8.3.1.1 with a build date of July 14th, 2022.
Update: Just tried running fire toolbox v30.1 and it seems like it worked! The only remaining Amazon junk is the 'Amazon Alexa' app, 'Amazon Kids' app, and the 'Silk Browser' but everything else is gone. Running Nova launcher and the play store is installed.
jmtyra said:
@MontysEvilTwin -- Thank you for the tip! Worked great!
@newnewcomputer -- Just purchased a Fire HD 8 2022, arrived yesterday. I skipped the setup process. It's still sitting at v8.3.1.1 with a build date of July 14th, 2022.
Update: Just tried running fire toolbox v30.1 and it seems like it worked! The only remaining Amazon junk is the 'Amazon Alexa' app, 'Amazon Kids' app, and the 'Silk Browser' but everything else is gone. Running Nova launcher and the play store is installed.
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I have had problems with Play store. It installs OK and most things seem fine at first (I found that Calendar crashes when you set it up and that Chrome will not sync) but after a while some apps start crashing, e.g. Opera and Edge browsers. The problem seems to be with Google Play Services. If anyone could let me know how they achieved a stable Play store installation I would be grateful.
The play store was acting strange at first, but then it let me sign in and download an app. Can't share much for the experience though because the app in question (Fully Kiosk) gave a warning about not using the play store and to sideload an APK instead. So I removed the play store in the biggest irony and didn't have it going for very long.
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I have had problems with Play store. It installs OK and most things seem fine at first (I found that Calendar crashes when you set it up and that Chrome will not sync) but after a while some apps start crashing, e.g. Opera and Edge browsers. The problem seems to be with Google Play Services. If anyone could let me know how they achieved a stable Play store installation I would be grateful.
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I had problems adding an initial account so couldnt download anything. In the end I gave the play store all the permissions it asked for (it originally had no permissions) and since then it has worked fine. I can add multiple accounts, and all apps seem to be stable. Once I have the tab setup, I will likely revoke these permissions, but it will only be used as a media device, so nothing sensitive on it.
@newnewcomputer purchased just before black friday from UK, still running 8.3.1.1
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@newnewcomputer purchased just before black friday from UK, still running 8.3.1.1
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@newnewcomputer -- Just purchased a Fire HD 8 2022, arrived yesterday. I skipped the setup process. It's still sitting at v8.3.1.1 with a build date of July 14th, 2022.
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Thank you for the reports @jmtyra and @yetiuk ! I opted for a Fire HD 10 2021 and it will arrive on Monday. Will disable wifi n see which rev. hopefully it is at 8.3.1.1
really curious to see if the ADB access to disabling system apps remains in 8.3.1.2 and 8.3.1.3
@MontysEvilTwin everything else to fix Play first but as a last resort, seems like a lot of ppl updated to 8.3.1.3 and that fixes the issues w/ Google Play. good luck!
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Thank you for the reports @jmtyra and @yetiuk ! I opted for a Fire HD 10 2021 and it will arrive on Monday. Will disable wifi n see which rev. hopefully it is at 8.3.1.1
really curious to see if the ADB access to disabling system apps remains in 8.3.1.2 and 8.3.1.3
@MontysEvilTwin everything else to fix Play first but as a last resort, seems like a lot of ppl updated to 8.3.1.3 and that fixes the issues w/ Google Play. good luck!
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Unfortunately it is only the 12th generation, 2022 tablets, the Fire 7 and Fire HD 8 that come with OS 8 installed, the Fire HD 10 will come with OS 7. After OS 7.3.2.1 Amazon stopped system apps being from being disabled with a simple ADB command.
I am not keen to update from OS 8.3.1.1 to 8.3.1.3 until I know if Amazon have blocked system apps from being disabled with this update.
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Unfortunately it is only the 12th generation, 2022 tablets, the Fire 7 and Fire HD 8 that come with OS 8 installed, ...
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thanx, @MontysEvilTwin - u are right of course. dont know what i was thinking as it was right on the Amazon firmware page stating which tab gets what version
my fire HD 10 2021 arrived w/ OS 7.3.2.4 n was locked down tight; no elevated access thro' ADB and mtk-su patched. i loaded up on the 2019 tabs w/ 7.3.1.0 so will probably return this one. perhaps Amazon will put the HD8 2022 on sale over the holidays!
Great news! I've recently got a 12th gen Fire HD 8 and updated to the latest firmware (8.3.1.3). I am able to confirm that disabling apps using an adb command still works just fine, I was able to disable com.amazon.kindle.kso and prime music and they haven't been reenabled by a reboot, at least so far.
maximus9793 said:
Great news! I've recently got a 12th gen Fire HD 8 and updated to the latest firmware (8.3.1.3). I am able to confirm that disabling apps using an adb command still works just fine, I was able to disable com.amazon.kindle.kso and prime music and they haven't been reenabled by a reboot, at least so far.
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Thank YOU, @maximus9793 !!
I read somewhere that 8.3.1.3 is the firmware with fixes to allow Google Play Store to run smoothly. So ADB still has access to disable system apps after the update, then that is great news indeed!
It is a personal choice - keep getting firmware update or disable update so as to keep ADB access. But if you want to disable Amazon auto firmware update, run the following commands:
pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota
pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.kindle.otter.oobe.forced.ota
enjoy
Hi all....i need serious help!! Christmas Eve and i decide to setup my nephews Amazon Fire 8 which i bought in Black Friday sales. He is obsessed with youtube kids and before i purchased the tablet i double checked that i could download these files. He currently has the worlds oldest ipad so wanted to upgrade him..
Got the toolbox downloaded as the APK files didnt work.....almost kissed my laptop when it said that all google services were downloaded. HOWEVER, it now says it won't let me run without google play services...WHICH is showing as downloaded on the toolbox?!?!
I've been at this 3 hours now......please help!! What can i do so these apps will work? I've even logged into the play store with my google I.D!
newnewcomputer said:
Thank YOU, @maximus9793 !!
But if you want to disable Amazon auto firmware update, run the following commands:
pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota
pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.kindle.otter.oobe.forced.ota
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My son got the HD 8 Pro Kids to christmas eve. It runs 8.3.1.3 and now I want to try to install play store with the fire toolbox. Also I want to disable OTA with the commands you pointed to.
Am I right, that the process is reversible and OTA can be activated again by following commands?
pm enable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota
pm enable-user --user 0 com.amazon.kindle.otter.oobe.forced.ota
Maybe @MontysEvilTwin also can confirm this?
Edit: I think that this is the right configuration?
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"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
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tito_puente said:
My son got the HD 8 Pro Kids to christmas eve. It runs 8.3.1.3 and now I want to try to install play store with the fire toolbox. Also I want to disable OTA with the commands you pointed to.
Am I right, that the process is reversible and OTA can be activated again by following commands?
pm enable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota
pm enable-user --user 0 com.amazon.kindle.otter.oobe.forced.ota
Maybe @MontysEvilTwin also can confirm this?
Edit: I think that this is the right configuration?
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To disable OTA updates the only command you need is:
Code:
pm disable-user --user 0 com.amazon.device.software.ota
after connecting your Fire tablet to a PC and opening an ADB shell. To re-enable OTA updates the command is:
Code:
pm enable com.amazon.device.software.ota
OTA updates will then work again without even a reboot.
LozzaScoobs said:
Hi all....i need serious help!! Christmas Eve and i decide to setup my nephews Amazon Fire 8 which i bought in Black Friday sales. He is obsessed with youtube kids and before i purchased the tablet i double checked that i could download these files. He currently has the worlds oldest ipad so wanted to upgrade him..
Got the toolbox downloaded as the APK files didnt work.....almost kissed my laptop when it said that all google services were downloaded. HOWEVER, it now says it won't let me run without google play services...WHICH is showing as downloaded on the toolbox?!?!
I've been at this 3 hours now......please help!! What can i do so these apps will work? I've even logged into the play store with my google I.D!
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Which version of the firmware is running on the Fire8?
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Which version of the firmware is running on the Fire8?
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The HD 8 (2022) tablets I bought during the black Friday offers came with OS 8.3.1.1. At the moment, if you let the tablets update, they install version 8.3.1.3 (a later version of 8.3.1.3 than you can download from the Amazon Fire software update site (software build date 21st November 2022). This version, as discussed in this thread, works with Google Play and still allows system apps to be disabled. I presume that at some point Amazon will push an update that stops system apps being disabled.
MontysEvilTwin said:
The HD 8 (2022) tablets I bought during the black Friday offers came with OS 8.3.1.1. At the moment, if you let the tablets update, they install version 8.3.1.3 (a later version of 8.3.1.3 than you can download from the Amazon Fire software update site (software build date 21st November 2022). This version, as discussed in this thread, works with Google Play and still allows system apps to be disabled. I presume that at some point Amazon will push an update that stops system apps being disabled.
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Yes. That is why I asked LozzaScoobs which version was running for him. If he's still on 8.3.1.1 then the problem sound be easily solved by going to 8.3.1.3!
Hi, can anyone tell which features of Fire Toolbox v30.2 doesn't work on Amazon Fire HD 8 2022 (12th Gen)?
On the Amazon software download site, OS 8.3.1.4 is now available for download. Presumably if you have not disabled 'com.amazon.device.software.ota' this update is being pushed to HD 8, 12th. generation tablets now. If your tablet has updated to this version, please could you post to let me know if anything significant has changed, and if you can still disable system apps. over ADB. Thanks.
That would be nice to know. Can somebody proof if disabling system apps is still possible?