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Apparently the Camera is Improved

We already knew the sensors are different than the S7-series (Sony IMX333 vs. IMX260 and ISOCELL S5K2L2 vs. S5K2L1) and that Samsung tweaked the s/w including enhanced image processing which takes three pictures and combines them in to a single image every time you snap the shutter. Here are some pics Notebookcheck took at the launch event using a S7e and S8. I guess we'll see how the new cameras perform when sites like DxOMark and GSMArena do their objective testing.
Here's what Notebookcheck said...
The low-light photos we took with the S8 at the launch event looked a bit clearer, brighter than and not as noisy as the photos of the Galaxy S7 Edge.
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http://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsun...s-Smartphones-First-Impressions.209502.0.html​
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Great news! I hope that's really true

More comparison with S7. Image quality improved from S7.
https://www.lowyat.net/2017/128364/blind-camera-comparison-samsung-galaxy-s8-and-galaxy-s7-edge/

Not improved, immensely improved!!! the new best camera, make sure you use 100% crop or the comparasion is USELESS.

CLARiiON said:
More comparison with S7. Image quality improved from S7.
https://www.lowyat.net/2017/128364/blind-camera-comparison-samsung-galaxy-s8-and-galaxy-s7-edge/
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Thanks for the link, this is very interesting, S8 photos looks really better.

Until we see what Apple does, I think this will be the best camera of 2017.

Some more comparison: https://www.sammobile.com/2017/04/0...ras-are-definitely-better-than-the-galaxy-s7/

@ bayfisher1958
No its Isocell.. as per the exif data (image id). The comparison (lowyat) shows s7 (imx 260) vs s8 (isocell).

Dpk1 said:
@ bayfisher1958
No its Isocell.. as per the exif data (image id). The comparison (lowyat) shows s7 (imx 260) vs s8 (isocell).
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how did you know which is which in the comparison? because they didn't reveal the results unless i am messing something

abdelha said:
how did you know which is which in the comparison? because they didn't reveal the results unless i am messing something
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It is apparently an old convention by samsung to possibly indicate the sensor type via the image ID in the exif data. See the image properties via windows explorer and navigate to details where you will find the image ID. Look for the 15-16 characters from the left. If they read "LS" = Sony IMX sensor; whereas if they read "LL" = Isocell sensor. See the screenshots below for clarification.

Dpk1 said:
It is apparently an old convention by samsung to possibly indicate the sensor type via the image ID in the exif data. See the image properties via windows explorer and navigate to details where you will find the image ID. Look for the 15-16 characters from the left. If they read "LS" = Sony IMX sensor; whereas if they read "LL" = Isocell sensor. See the screenshots below for clarification.
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when i go to details i see that the image id is empty...

If the ISOCELL sensor looks this good, I'm really curious to see how well the Sony sensor does.

abdelha said:
when i go to details i see that the image id is empty...
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That happens when the exif data is missing (or removed from the image) as in case of compressed images. You will need to download the full size original image files from the website (save it to your pc) and then look for the image ID.
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Slash8915 said:
If the ISOCELL sensor looks this good, I'm really curious to see how well the Sony sensor does.
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I am curious as well. I'm a sony fan myself but apparently since the last gen galaxy smartphones samsung Isocell have really stood up to (if not beaten) the sony IMX sensors in overall performance .

Really did improve.. Check out this video comparison

So...did anybody compare the new imx333 and the new slsi? How to they stack up? Is there any real difference?
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Dpk1 said:
It is apparently an old convention by samsung to possibly indicate the sensor type via the image ID in the exif data. See the image properties via windows explorer and navigate to details where you will find the image ID. Look for the 15-16 characters from the left. If they read "LS" = Sony IMX sensor; whereas if they read "LL" = Isocell sensor. See the screenshots below for clarification.
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Mine has QS code for both, front and back, so not sure what to make out of it. Phoneinfo hardware list shows Sony sensors, but do not know how accurate that is.

philipone69 said:
So...did anybody compare the new imx333 and the new slsi? How to they stack up? Is there any real difference?
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Which one you did you get? Mine will arrive by 5-10th of may (exynos S8+) and will probably have the Samsung sensor in it, which I totally don't mind, as it is definitely better than my last S7 (sony imx260) and S7 edge (Isocell) camera outputs.
@pete4k I'm pretty sure you have the sony one. Can you please upload a screenshot of the details of image properties showing the Image ID (of any photo clicked by your phone rear and front camera)? Alternatively, you could upload a full size camera sample pic at drive and share it here, if you don't mind.

Dpk1 said:
Which one you did you get? Mine will arrive by 5-10th of may (exynos S8+) and will probably have the Samsung sensor in it, which I totally don't mind, as it is definitely better than my last S7 (sony imx260) and S7 edge (Isocell) camera outputs.
@pete4k I'm pretty sure you have the sony one. Can you please upload a screenshot of the details of image properties showing the Image ID (of any photo clicked by your phone rear and front camera)? Alternatively, you could upload a full size camera sample pic at drive and share it here, if you don't mind.
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F is back camera and V is front

pete4k said:
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F is back camera and V is front
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Looks like they've changed LS (15-16th letters) to QS in your case. Maybe a hardware revision / region specific code?! Anyhow, the difference was and is in the 16th letter. My guess "S = Sony" else I have no clue!

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Which one you did you get?
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I got the isocell and i have mixed feelings about it. I compared as much as could the old s7edge imx with the s8 isocell and i found the following: s8 has a very agressive noise reduction in low light shots, so agressive that sometimes kills detail. S8 has a slighly better wb but also favours red a bit too much. Sometimes people's faces look like they just got off a treadmill ) too red. Outside, at night you get a red fringe instead of a pure black sky.
These are specific isocell problems that plagued last year's s7 and by the looks of it they are still here. Lucky the ones who got the sony even if the wb is a bit warm every time on imx

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Honor 7X come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Did not get much time to capture some shots with my new 7X. Here is some images that i took with 7X. All shots are from Auto mods. Nothing edited. Not get a chance to take Potrait shots. I know Potrait shot in 7X is just a joke only.. Its really sucks...
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Looking to get this for my mom, but with all the photos I've seen, they're all just... INCREDIBLY DARK...

Dual rear cameras of Huawei Honor 7X works
After seeing these photos, I can only say rear cameras with 16MP f/2.2 and 2-mp works together. Though sometimes the supported light is not enough. But most of the time, it works fabulously.

Try using the front camera in normal lighting condition and than cry in a corner because it just sucks...?

Photos are really bad in lower light conditions. The Pixel Camera port is not available for this chipset
The screen is nice but camera plain sucks

can the camera improve with an update?

earg said:
can the camera improve with an update?
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For sure but only if someone works on the camera software

Had mine few days 64GB/4GB blue and while yes it's a cosmetic upgrade over 6x I feel camera and performance isn't that much better some tweaking needed and yes low light is horrid
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Honor 7x seems to be much promising but yet I am confused if it can perform better than Mi A1. Software is the thing that can revolutionize the hardware functionality like camera.

epapsiou said:
For sure but only if someone works on the camera software
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What if some other phone's camera app is made to use in honor 7x

I'm confused why previous comments were saying the camera sucks. I'm coming from a Galaxy S7 and wasn't expecting much but honestly this thing takes great pictures. Very detailed and crisp in the right predicaments.

carnivalrejectq said:
I'm confused why previous comments were saying the camera sucks. I'm coming from a Galaxy S7 and wasn't expecting much but honestly this thing takes great pictures. Very detailed and crisp in the right predicaments.
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I came from a Note 5 and the 7X camera blows it away hands down. I have decent low light photos as well whereas my Note 5 and wife's LG Vista was absolutely horrible.

mikelets456 said:
I came from a Note 5 and the 7X camera blows it away hands down. I have decent low light photos as well whereas my Note 5 and wife's LG Vista was absolutely horrible.
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Yeah it's still not good as the S7 but it's definitely on par with or better than the S6. What more can I ask for. I was totally not expec much out of this camera and was pleasantly surprised. I don't have the lag most people complain about except soentimes opening the camera app. Can't wait til my Oreo OTA finally comes so that's gone.

Pretty decent. This was shot with the aperture function and set to f/1

It´s a cheap phone, so I didn´t expect too much. But after the camera of my Note 4, this phone´s camera is just poor. Very poor. I´m gonna get rid of it , and get my Note 4 fixed.

I really dislike the camera, and I wish that I had read a review about it before I bought the phone. There are two problems. 1) The resulting images are WAY to contrasty. Anything in shadow is pretty much black. Outdoor shots will have a well exposed sky and very dark to black ground. If someone's face has shadow on it, they will be unrecognizable. Which brings me to the second point... 2) The camera does not remember any of your settings when you open it again, except for the flash setting. For example, you can set HDR mode, but it will always revert back to standard mode, sorry! Other manufactures have their cameras remember HDR mode. Or, you can put it in "pro" mode and wade through the menu and move the contrast slider to help the "too much contrast" problem, but the camera won't remember that if you close it and you will have to do that every time you open the application again. I'm experimenting with other camera apps, but you will lose the special features that the phone camera has like the depth of field simulation with the second lens., and you can't use it with features like the "press volume twice to wake up and take a quick picture". I'm really disappointed with it.

Have anybody tried to shoot with custom rom? Can i see sample images? I just want to make sure before i buy it

[Hardware Fail] Camera Lens Flare Issue

"I've created a Telegram group to discuss possible issues with some users and most everybody noticed a huge issue with the Camera, with this one having huge lens flare in certain angle where the source of light is not even visible on the Viewfinder. This happens not only at sunlight but also at night where the strength of a single street lamp ruins the whole Camera experience."
This was the E-Mail i've been sending to Oppo and apparently their fix is:
1 - Clear Camera App Cache
2 - Reboot the Phone
3 - Update your Software Version
4 - Factory Reset the phone
The problem is that this is a Hardware issue and Oppo doesn't recognize this.
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This is how a Lens Flare happens and it is normal in most cases, but not here. People are having this aiming the phone to the floor.
So, do you guys have this issue?
Basically go outdoor and keep playing with the Camera until you see the Flares as the attachment shows.
It must be on a certain angle and only affects the Main Camera.

More examples:

Good write up of the issue, I haven't gone out of my way to try and reproduce your issue but I've had the phone since release in the UK and taken at least 100 photos in varying lighting conditions and not one of them has any flares or reflections like in your shots
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sheppy101 said:
Good write up of the issue, I haven't gone out of my way to try and reproduce your issue but I've had the phone since release in the UK and taken at least 100 photos in varying lighting conditions and not one of them has any flares or reflections like in your shots
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you don't have sun in UK
only the night shots are mine

Mmmm I live in Seville (Spain) hard sun 300 out of 365 days of the year and for the moment I havent noticed this, here im going to post 3 recent photos (obviously with the find x2 pro) and in one of them (the grizzlies one) maybe a little bit of flare in the left side of the photo

its not in direct contact with the light, its on a certain angle depending on the phone.

sirTAVARES said:
you don't have sun in UK
only the night shots are mine
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Hahaha while that's generally true, for about 2 weeks last month it was around 28 degrees and sunny... Which is where I took a lot of shots outdoors and no issues
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sheppy101 said:
Hahaha while that's generally true, for about 2 weeks last month it was around 28 degrees and sunny... Which is where I took a lot of shots outdoors and no issues
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i dont notice it aswell on daylight in real life usage, but when you know how to reproduce it it's hard to miss

I don't see flares in my shots, but I notice that there is a blurring of outer area of the frame.
When I take a photo of a document or something a foot or two from the lens its very noticeable.
Its sharp in the center of the frame but blurs are very obvious around the center.

samusx said:
I don't see flares in my shots, but I notice that there is a blurring of outer area of the frame.
When I take a photo of a document or something a foot or two from the lens its very noticeable.
Its sharp in the center of the frame but blurs are very obvious around the center.
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thats normal due the sensor size.

I don't have this issue I'd recommend getting a repair/replacement through warranty, problem solved

TheInfiniteAndroid said:
I don't have this issue I'd recommend getting a repair/replacement through warranty, problem solved
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The problem is that Oppo says it's a Software issue.

sirTAVARES said:
The problem is that Oppo says it's a Software issue.
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So if that's what they think, what software solution are they going to come up with?

Texan1 said:
So if that's what they think, what software solution are they going to come up with?
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none. i've mention this even before i got the phone and still no proper answer.
it's still under "investigation"

Having exactly the same issue here. I get a halo toward the bottom of pictures mainly around 6-7 in the evening. Doesn't look like a software issue I would say definitely lens related on the main camera.

Danvall said:
Having exactly the same issue here. I get a halo toward the bottom of pictures mainly around 6-7 in the evening. Doesn't look like a software issue I would say definitely lens related on the main camera.
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send an e-mail to Oppo.
and feel free to post some examples to other users since i'm sure this is a generic issue

An Engineer decided to reply after a month.
with some bull**** message.
Funny Reply
DXOMark Comparison
Link - https://imgur.com/a/JVubg4N

sirTAVARES said:
An Engineer decided to reply after a month.
with some bull**** message.
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Still can't seem to replicate this issue which makes me think it's device specific, however from the Engineers reply it seems like he's implying it's a limitation rather than a fault

TheInfiniteAndroid said:
Still can't seem to replicate this issue which makes me think it's device specific, however from the Engineers reply it seems like he's implying it's a limitation rather than a fault
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if its limited to some devices, even better. just replace the faulty devices.

Well I don't think it's a limitation because iv have this camera since release and and iv just noticed it yesterday IV been taking pictures for a while now with no issues then just suddenly IV noticed it happening, seems very very bad at takes g a basic picture with a lamp at the side
https://forum.xda-developers.com/find-x2-pro/help/camera-strange-streek-photos-black-spot-t4132511
Look at my post it's shocking

Question S22U images look like oil paint.

I have been using the S22U for 2 months but I'm not quite satisfied with the camera as Samsung marketed with camera feature the most.
My S21U does a better job than S22U. Most of the time, the images look like oil paint for some reason. And sometimes it does a great job.
I'm attaching 3 photos. All these are shot using the same phone. You can see the difference. The first two photos are on same day, 3rd one is on another day.
I was even thinking that my phone might be a factory defect one. I bought the same model (N908N) for my brother. That one is also the same. Then I used one my colleagues' S22Ultra for a few hours. That one is also the same. So, I dropped the thought of a factory defect device.
Is anyone facing the same?
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S22U snapdragon version with March update here. And no this never happens unless I use long range digital zoom at higher numbers. Which is perfectly understandable.

nazmulnsu said:
I have been using the S22U for 2 months but I'm not quite satisfied with the camera as Samsung marketed with camera feature the most.
My S21U does a better job than S22U. Most of the time, the images look like oil paint for some reason. And sometimes it does a great job.
I'm attaching 3 photos. All these are shot using the same phone. You can see the difference. The first two photos are on same day, 3rd one is on another day.
I was even thinking that my phone might be a factory defect one. I bought the same model (N908N) for my brother. That one is also the same. Then I used one my colleagues' S22Ultra for a few hours. That one is also the same. So, I dropped the thought of a factory defect device.
Is anyone facing the same?
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I have been experiencing this as well(Snapdragon unit) from the very beginning at 30x sometimes and 100x mostly like the one attached below. Did not experience this with S21 Ultra.

Virgo_Guy said:
I have been experiencing this as well(Snapdragon unit) from the very beginning at 30x sometimes and 100x mostly like the one attached below. Did not experience this with S21 Ultra.
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Sadly I'm experiencing this at 1x. This is why it bothers me a lot. I'm also using a Snapdragon unit (908N KT version)

nazmulnsu said:
Sadly I'm experiencing this at 1x. This is why it bothers me a lot. I'm also using a Snapdragon unit (908N KT version)
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Newer update might fix it for you when it arrives.

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Newer update might fix it for you when it arrives.
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i just had an update

I do not have this issue on my S22U SD device (at least that I have seen yet). I have the SM-S908U model.

My Photos look fine on U.S. Unlocked using Samsung's Stock Camera Software.

Overly aggressive NR in post. Can't get past immutable laws of physics, computational photography be damned! ;-)
If you stay within the limits of the optics with adequate lighting (ISO 800 max) the pics look reasonable even when viewed on a graphics workstation. They will ALWAYS look better at 1:1 on the phone!
The 100X is pretty much a joke until you need to read a sign at the end of a street or see an equipment ID number at the top of a power pole, for example!

cpufrost said:
Overly aggressive NR in post. Can't get past immutable laws of physics, computational photography be damned! ;-)
If you stay within the limits of the optics with adequate lighting (ISO 800 max) the pics look reasonable even when viewed on a graphics workstation. They will ALWAYS look better at 1:1 on the phone!
The 100X is pretty much a joke until you need to read a sign at the end of a street or see an equipment ID number at the top of a power pole, for example!
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Using Samsung for the past 12 years, every single note model. And spent 1500USD for S22U. Don't you think I have the right to get offended by the quality of the camera?
I have mentioned that those photos were taken at 1x not 100x.
Also, the photos look the same on the mobile phone too.

Something is wrong. Mine don't look anywhere near that bad.
My main issue with Samsung is excessive over sharpening everywhere.
EXCEPT the Z Fold 3. Funny too, everyone says how bad its camera is but the SOFTWARE its using actually makes better pics when within the limits of the hardware.

cpufrost said:
Something is wrong. Mine don't look anywhere near that bad.
My main issue with Samsung is excessive over sharpening everywhere.
EXCEPT the Z Fold 3. Funny too, everyone says how bad its camera is but the SOFTWARE its using actually makes better pics when within the limits of the hardware.
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There might be a problem with Korean Model. I have flashed 3 different Korean ROM (couldn't flash US ROM) with Odin. All the ROMs have the same problem. My brother's device also has the same problem. I hope they will fix it with a software update.

Question Should I buy a Pixel 6 or 6a?

Hey guys, I hope you are having a good day!
So I'm planning to buy my first Pixel phone. Super excited. I'm a big sucker for Pixel phones' cameras and their Pixel-exclusive features. So far I've been using a low-tier Samsung phone so I want to take this big step with the correct phone.
I'm expecting and would be using the new phone to take a lot of photos, from close-ups of flowers and bugs to portraits to pictures of landscapes. AND I LOVE IT WHEN I CAN ZOOM AND SEE THE DETAILS. I don't game much, except for some casual CODM now and then. A faulty fingerprint reader won't really bother me. The lack of an audio jack isn't an issue. I'll be using only 4G. As for battery life, it's around 6 hours on average.
Something I'm really concerned about is the overheating issue. I live in a tropical country, where outside temps can easily get 30 Celsius, though I won't be using it in direct sunlight much. A big turnoff would be issues with the Silicon, where the bugs/problems would be uncorrectable since I wouldn't be able to easily RMA from where I live. I don't need the telephoto lens or the 120Hz screen. So I don't think the 6 pro is an option.
So, what do you think? Which one should I go for, and why?

I'm getting the 6a. I tried the the Pixel 6 but had to return it because the fingerprint sensor was horrible and other minor negatives with the Pixel 6.
It sounds like you don't really need a powerful phone, so I think the 6a would be perfect for you. I don't recall if the Pixel 6 heated up on me personally or not, but from reviews, people did say that Pixel 6 heated up and the 6a warmed up to a lesser degree. Like you, I also don't need telephoto lens or 120Hz.
I don't take much macro shots, but you can take a look at pictures that people have taken with the 6a and see if it's acceptable to you. Me personally... I just need good pictures from my phone. If I want better shots, I would bring my Sony RX100 or other cameras. From the reviews I watched of the 6a, the photos are great but they're not spectacular bc of the older sensors on the 6a. That doesn't bother me, but it might be a dealbreaker for you. That's because with a bit of photo editing, I can make the photos shine. The Pixel 6a also shoots in RAW format, so you could always edit your photos afterwards to compensate for any deficiencies.

neo_lithic3K said:
I'm getting the 6a. I tried the the Pixel 6 but had to return it because the fingerprint sensor was horrible and other minor negatives with the Pixel 6.
It sounds like you don't really need a powerful phone, so I think the 6a would be perfect for you. I don't recall if the Pixel 6 heated up on me personally or not, but from reviews, people did say that Pixel 6 heated up and the 6a warmed up to a lesser degree. Like you, I also don't need telephoto lens or 120Hz.
I don't take much macro shots, but you can take a look at pictures that people have taken with the 6a and see if it's acceptable to you. Me personally... I just need good pictures from my phone. If I want better shots, I would bring my Sony RX100 or other cameras. From the reviews I watched of the 6a, the photos are great but they're not spectacular bc of the older sensors on the 6a. That doesn't bother me, but it might be a dealbreaker for you. That's because with a bit of photo editing, I can make the photos shine. The Pixel 6a also shoots in RAW format, so you could always edit your photos afterwards to compensate for any deficiencies.
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you do know that the 6as fingerprint sensor is way worse and really unsecure?
also it has ui lag, but i think that will be fixed soon...

Clancee said:
you do know that the 6as fingerprint sensor is way worse and really unsecure?
also it has ui lag, but i think that will be fixed soon...
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I should receive my 6a within the next 2 days, so I'll have to test it out and see if there are any dealbreakers for me. Worse case, I can always return it.
Yeah, I saw reports of the fingerprint sensor issue that came out in the last 24 hours. Hopefully the fingerprint issue is not widespread. I watched another youtube reviewer where he couldn't replicate the fingerprint issue. He tried, I think, 6 unregistered fingers and also had his wife try a few fingers, but wasn't able to unlock the phone.
With the ui lag issue, I'll have to test it out and see. If it's due to the screen being 60Hz and not something else, then I'm ok with the 60Hz. I currently have the Pixel 4XL and I force it to 60Hz. Also, I always turn off most of the android animations anyway (from developer options), which I find makes the ui feel faster.

I own both (my wife just got the P6a). I would absolutely recommend the P6 over the P6a - even to the point of suggesting buying a used P6 over a new P6a if cost is a concern. Used P6 pricing is about the same as the full retail P6a price right now.
I got the P6a only because of the generous pre-order trade in values Google was giving, along with the free earbuds that brought the effective price of the P6a down to less than $100. If I had to pay full retail price for the P6a, I would absolutely have bought a used P6 instead.

Best battery life I've had on a phone. It has very good standby time like the Samsung A52s. The battery was already great from the first charge, which was unusual. I don't know how much worse it would be on 4G though. I assume 5G will eat the battery, so I disabled that already, like on all my phones. Pixel 6a really pits a smile on my face. The fingerprint works 98% of the time. I can almost say it works better than my Samsung S22. But it doesn't work when it is cold outside, at less than 7°C anyway.
Camera is great and screen is very nice and smooth. I think it is only in scrolling that 120Hz has advantage over it. However, I use 60Hz on my S22 anyway, so I don't care.
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