S21FE camera rant :-( - General Topics

This p155 poor camera surely can't be hardware can it? i have not known a worse camera for a long time. Any shots in anything other than really good light are pretty terible. Tried in all modes, and wish I could go back to my Mate 20 Pro which wasn't the best but superior to this in low light!!
Even macro on my S6 was more useful despite being lower resolution!
Sorry for the rant, but this is the last time I'll buy samsung I think. If anyone can tell me a cheap andoid phone with better low light than this I would be greatful (I know they exist as I have seen images but can never remember what they are!).
Thanks [/rant over]

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Post some examples of the fails.
Anything from the N9 up should be able to capture good shots especially in good condition light. Macros are a weakness because of the lense and shallow depth of field ie fast lens that can't be stopped down.
With some practice even the S4+ could grab usable macros... to a point. With a shallow dof the focus point needs to be spot on. Subject distance is also critical.
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Thanks for responding Blackhawk. Thing is, I am adept at photography (long time owner of Nikon D90 which I never use in auto! but I do use my camera underground in mines that I explore, and I am comparing with other camera's (including my old mate20pro). When we take photos side by side with other friends this rarely fails to disapoint.
What I will do is take some more pics next week with a friend who has a pixel under the same light conditions for comparison

ollk said:
Thanks for responding Blackhawk. Thing is, I am adept at photography (long time owner of Nikon D90 which I never use in auto! but I do use my camera underground in mines that I explore, and I am comparing with other camera's (including my old mate20pro). When we take photos side by side with other friends this rarely fails to disapoint.
What I will do is take some more pics next week with a friend who has a pixel under the same light conditions for comparison
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Auto aperture was my primary mode many times with my Canons. Smartphones are crude cams by comparison...
Mines? You out west? Ghost towns and cold war relics too?

blackhawk said:
Auto aperture was my primary mode many times with my Canons. Smartphones are crude cams by comparison...
Mines? You out west? Ghost towns and cold war relics too?
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Ah sorry by auto I mean auto lol... Ap and shutter priority are excellent and very much have their place!
Regards mines I like in the UK. I am part of a club who looks after copper mines going back to the bronze age. We also explore mines and go spelunking a lot too!
Would love to get over to the many gold mines in the US. A friend bought one a while back for a £1 lol... Never been to the US sadly!

I will say I have been blown away by the standard set by Google and Apple in dark areas though. We had a film crew to a location recently and they had all their pro gear. When they came underground with us they used a combination of an iphone in 1080 and a gopro. They said nothing beats these cameras for video and compactness underground! I was stunned!
Just a pity I don't like Apple because combined with the lidar function you can create incredible scans/surveys of spaces!

Another thing I should add is I am very dissapointed with the extras when you swipe right. It seems you used to be able to add extra camera functions but I have not worked out how... Is it possible?

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Yellow Tinted Pics Fix (Fuze)

I have read in a few place that the Sprint cam is better because ATT added some kinda film over the lense to protect it and its yellows our pics.
Here is a picture with stock settings from the Fuze.
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Now if you go to the setting menu, chage the White Balance of of Auto and put it to the light bulb. Now you get a picture that looks like this.
I thought it would be cool to add some pictures from other sources I think the Cam on the Touch Pro (Fuze) is amazing.
Here is an 8.1 Megapixel Digital Cam.
Here is a pic from my Cingular 2125 (Tornado maybe?)
Here is a picture from my ATT 8525 (Hermes) 2.0MP.
I just figured this out as well. I know on my Tilt and my Vogue (with Sprint), I had to put it on the moon to get rid of that yellow tint.
I went through and tried all the settings and I think the light bulb one is the best.
EDIT: I think someone should add this to the WIKI.
Agree that the camera on the fuze is really good. I took my Kaiser to SEMA a few weeks ago and that did pretty well, but the fuze camera seems far superior.
I usually just run everything through photoshop, but I've been using photoshop for almost 10 years. I did notice the response of the Fuze camera is MUCH improved over the Tilt camera.
Yeah I got mine also on light bulb. I remember the Tilt had the same problem too.
As always, these HTC cams are not "one setting > all". The reason there are different options is because some are better for different lighting.
Auto stinks, I'll agree with you on that. For standard incandescent lighted indoor subjects, the light bulb would be the correct option (as you have stated noticed here). However, in other indoor-situations as well as larger lit areas the fluorescent (looks like a rectangle with light beams) is a better choice. I found that outdoors, the light bulb option is worse than any of the others.
In fact, my personal experience (at least with my current phone, HTC Titan 2mpix) is best results are acheived with the flourescent setting, but first aim the camera at a bright light source (sun, light bulb, etc) so it automatically lowers the auto image gain and give you more realistic color.
Here's a pic I took near Boston using this method:
Now, I know the image isn't the sharpest, but that's a function of the titan camera quality. I'm talking about the color balance. Its damned near perfect. You can probably get the same results with the fuze.
Thanks for the tip!
I'm having an issue where even the slightest movement creates a blurry picture like the camera is on nightshot (shutter open longer). Is there a way to fix that?
Phone cameras are usually horrible i never bothered with them. But my digi cam just died and i was looking for another when i decided to try the fuze cam. WOW, it is not bad at all, so much so i am deciding if i even really need to buy another digi cam.
Of course a 10mp sounds great, but without spending a dime i can have near perfect 3mp photos

Night Vision App

Anyone knows of a night vision app that turns your camera into--well yeah, night vision mode. Or maybe a dev can make it? Would be cool to have on my phone instead of using the dual LED
In order for Night vision to work, I think you would need to have Infrared lights on the back of the phone for illumination. Night vision doesn't just "See" in the dark, it still needs illumination. It then takes the slight illumination from the infrared lights and enhances the detail. The EVO only has the 2 White LED's on the back, so I doubt Night vision would be possible.
I could be completely wrong about this though...
As a side note, Night vision would be cool....
What happens if you get a huge IR flood light and carried it around with you while you were shooting? How much would it work or help in low light situations? HmmmMm... I see a purchase of some random crap in my future.
Vignette has a night vision option. Although not true night vision. It just converts the pic into a night vision format. Here is an example.
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In order for Night vision to work, I think you would need to have Infrared lights on the back of the phone for illumination. Night vision doesn't just "See" in the dark, it still needs illumination. It then takes the slight illumination from the infrared lights and enhances the detail. The EVO only has the 2 White LED's on the back, so I doubt Night vision would be possible.
I could be completely wrong about this though...
As a side note, Night vision would be cool....
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your technichal answer is fully correct however maybe we can replace one of the white led's with an ir light. i know that one in my sony camera isnt much bigger than those led's ...just an idea though for the electronical savy ppl reading this...
and yes i would donate for a project like this that would be ****ing cool the first nightvision camera phone ever...are you serious its bound to make some revenue
You also need a camera lens that can detect IR light... I don't believe that every camera can see it. You might wanna look into that first
Actually there are two types of IR. Active (using IR illumination otherwise known as "painting the target"), and Passive (detecting the objects heat signature).
Most cameras use Active IR (red LEDS). Mostly seen on camcorders, and low end night vision (GEN1/2). Passive is Gen3 night vision. Expensive CCD. Mainly high end hunting scopes, and military optics (FLIR).
Most digital camera ccd's are capable of picking up infrared. You can see this by pointing a tv remote at the camera lens of your evo. It will show the IR illumination of the remote but if you try to use it to take a picture you will not get very good results. Using a large IR illuminator may improve your results but i dont think you want to carry around a large illuminator for pictures. While it would be cool, its just not practical.
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Most digital camera ccd's are capable of picking up infrared. You can see this by pointing a tv remote at the camera lens of your evo. It will show the IR illumination of the remote but if you try to use it to take a picture you will not get very good results. Using a large IR illuminator may improve your results but i dont think you want to carry around a large illuminator for pictures. While it would be cool, its just not practical.
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That is just so awesome. Thank you for sharing that piece of information. Doubting that it would work, I aimed my remote at my Evo and was rewarded with two glowing purple/white dots.
The more you know...

Camera Quality on Moto G - is it really this bad?

So I bought a camera for my wife, and we're really unhappy with the camera - I read reviews indicating it was average but compared to loads of the sample shots seen online, appear to be way below what is acceptable
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This was taken a few minutes ago - but clearly shows the quality issues...
Is it really as bad as this? Other people seem to be getting very reasonable results!
Thanks for taking the time to read and hopefully reply.
emyllis said:
So I bought a camera for my wife, and we're really unhappy with the camera - I read reviews indicating it was average but compared to loads of the sample shots seen online, appear to be way below what is acceptable
This was taken a few minutes ago - but clearly shows the quality issues...
Is it really as bad as this? Other people seem to be getting very reasonable results!
Thanks for taking the time to read and hopefully reply.
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If you're the kind of person who knows enough to know what to look for to depict if a camera is bad or not than it's probably not what you're looking
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Looks way too soft for an outdoor shot. Make sure there isn't any sweat or oil coating on the lens. I find mine can often get stuff from my hands, which impairs the quality. I always give the lens a quick wipe with my shirt before taking important photos.
I agree with Gone Tomorrow - the biggest problem I have seems to be the lens getting mucky. It's not the best camera in the world, but for the usual shots of kids growing up, tourist photos etc its perfectly usable.
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Maybe the software post processing on stock camera is too high. Do you think it's possible to find a camera app with low post processing overall?
Someone can port the HTC one m8 camera app?
http://www.trustedreviews.com/htc-one-m8_Mobile-Phone_review_camera-app_Page-5
Well, motorola has acknowledged there's an issue.
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/e2f2722bfc?commentId=801623#801623
We’ve been exploring several options to improve the camera. Some items are already on the list – we will fix the intermittent split-flash problem that produces a picture split into light and dark halves. We are working on the intermittent red-tint issue. Other areas are more difficult because any change to improve one area will create other artifacts -- and someone will object to those.
That being said, we have a plan to improve, and much of it is based on the feedback gathered from this thread and others. Thank you. It won’t be fast because it requires changes beyond what we can do through updates to the Camera app itself. But we’re going to make changes that in addition to the items above, should improve sharpness and detail.
I cannot comment on the timing of updates, so I can only ask for patience as we work through this. And again, thanks for the feedback; the photos and observations posted and sent via email were instrumental in helping us get to this point.
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Probably that timing will be for Android L's release on our phone.
EDIT: Meanwhile, make sure the lens is always clear, and take pictures using the continuous mode. That is, tap on the screen as if you were to take a picture, but hold it. Once you see 1,2,3,etc numbers, you can release. That's the number of pictures taken.
The thing is, taking pictures that way, they turn out sharper and a bit noisier.. but much better overall. Afterwards you can delete the extra ones and keep the best.

Note 20 Ultra - Keyboard wildly inaccurate

I've had this phone since it came out. It's mostly been a miss for me. It's not the worst phone I've ever had (HTC Evo), but it is far from the best. The two things that are annoying me the most about it are the camera and its lack of macro abilities and the keyboard. I just can't type accurately on it at all. No matter how careful I am, half of the words I type are just completely wrong. This was not an issue on the Note 8 that I came from. So far, that's been my favorite phone.
Does anyone know of any way to increase the accuracy of the keyboard? I feel like if I could just calibrate it somehow, it would be better than the absolute pile of suck that it is right now.
Thanks
no idea but i find my self always hittinf the period instead of space bar
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no idea but i find my self always hittinf the period instead of space bar
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I do that. And I also hit the left shift button when trying for one of the letters close to it. This keyboard is the worst experience that I've had with a phone keyboard. It makes me want to toss the damned phone.
For a camera system smaller than a match box how much do you expect?
For macros, pan back into the focus range of the lense and even further back to get more depth of field. Brace the phone on something solid to avoid cam shake.
All lens have limitations.
blackhawk said:
For a camera system smaller than a match box how much do you expect?
For macros, pan back into the focus range of the lense and even further back to get more depth of field. Brace the phone on something solid to avoid cam shake.
All lens have limitations.
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I expected it to work as well as my Note 8 that had absolutely no problems with macro shots. Note8 is a much older phone that does a better job.
usmaak said:
I expected it to work as well as my Note 8 that had absolutely no problems with macro shots. Note8 is a much older phone that does a better job.
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Not the same lens system. You need to work within it's capabilities assuming that it's working as designed... and that Samsung didn't drop the ball. A lot of dropped Samsung balls lately.
Not sure why the keyboard in so much trouble unless they changed the spacing... which I really hate.
That phone and the N10+ were the last good Samsung phones, so far. Think I'll stick with my 10+ though; I especially loathe Android 10 and 11.
Google excels at ball dropping... guess they're too busy rigging results
Samsung is also notorious for dropping essential features for a design cycle then adding them back, like the SD card slot.
It's infuriating... like dealing with a box full of rabid gerbils.
Update: I've started using the gboard keyboard and it is a lot better. I'm a bit nervous about using it because of google being able to collect all of my keystrokes, but it is so much better and more accurate than Samsung's keyboard could ever hope to be.
update your phone to the last firmware and open camera you see 2x on the screen like that
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And second problem you have you can use keys cafe app you cab adjust your keyboard and replacement key buttons and use effects its very helpful

Mi 10 Ultra - Camera quality issues

I've had my Mi 10 Ultra, running the xiaomi.eu ROM, for nearly a year or so. I've found the telephoto camera quality to be very good with still subjects, but introduce any kind of motion to the scene, and it is far worse than the Motorola One Zoom I had before.
Here's an example, a slightly cropped photo from the 5x camera, tracking a moving car:
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What exactly is going on here? The panel gaps between the doors as well as at the base of the A-pillar have multiplied! Likewise, there's ghosting right by the door handles! My hypothesis is that the camera takes multiple exposures and then haphazardly merges them into one. This makes the camera absolutely useless at photographing anything moving. Hell, I get better quality using stills from a video with the 5x camera than by taking an actual photograph!
So; is there any way to turn this crap off? The photo above is taken in Pro mode with manual settings, and all AI things are turned off already...
Have you tried using the "Pro" mode to set custom shutter speeds yourself?
I find it usually works well, although sometimes I need to turn HDR off to stop the multi-exposure capture if the object is moving too fast.
The attached photo was taken in Pro mode, no HDR.
I don't believe this is an exposure time issue, as parts of the car are sharp, and anyway these flaws look a lot more akin to what you'd find in a poorly stitched panorama. You can also see the pattern on the road surface looks weird, as if it was clone-brushed or something.
Aonsaithya said:
I've had my Mi 10 Ultra, running the xiaomi.eu ROM, for nearly a year or so. I've found the telephoto camera quality to be very good with still subjects, but introduce any kind of motion to the scene, and it is far worse than the Motorola One Zoom I had before.
Here's an example, a slightly cropped photo from the 5x camera, tracking a moving car:
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What exactly is going on here? The panel gaps between the doors as well as at the base of the A-pillar have multiplied! Likewise, there's ghosting right by the door handles! My hypothesis is that the camera takes multiple exposures and then haphazardly merges them into one. This makes the camera absolutely useless at photographing anything moving. Hell, I get better quality using stills from a video with the 5x camera than by taking an actual photograph!
So; is there any way to turn this crap off? The photo above is taken in Pro mode with manual settings, and all AI things are turned off already...
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You should try gcam. It becomes a real photo camera... Xiaomi processing is very poor compared to Google's.
I have GCam installed, but rarely use it due to the lack of manual settings. Perhaps I'll give it a try with moving subjects, though. Thanks for the idea.
EDIT: tried it, GCam doesn't produce these exposure fusion artefacts at all.
Stock camera:
GCam:

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