OnePlus 8 Pro China - Global ROM ? - OnePlus 8 Questions & Answers

Hi there,
Sorry if I am not asking my question in the right forum section.
I just got my hands on a OnePlus 8 Pro Chinese version (I actually live in China). It came free, so I don't complain, but it came with ColorOS 13.
Any pointer to the proper methodology to flash it with OxygenOS ?
For information, it is a IN2020, with 256 GB storage, 12 GB RAM, Snapdragon 865, running ColorOS 13.
Thanks,
Liv.

Livlander said:
I just got my hands on a OnePlus 8 Pro Chinese version (I actually live in China). It came free, so I don't complain, but it came with ColorOS 13.
Any pointer to the proper methodology to flash it with OxygenOS ?
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You can start with the MSM Tool - here.

rodken said:
You can start with the MSM Tool - here.
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Thanks. I had seen this thread before, and I will give it a shot. Thing is, I'll need to root my device to backup the persist partition, and I cannot find a clear way about how to do this. I'll dig in the forum some more.
Liv.

Livlander said:
Thanks. I had seen this thread before, and I will give it a shot. Thing is, I'll need to root my device to backup the persist partition, and I cannot find a clear way about how to do this. I'll dig in the forum some more.
Liv.
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You do not need root to back up anything on your device. The MSM Tool can provide that feature at your disposal.

rodken said:
You do not need root to back up anything on your device. The MSM Tool can provide that feature at your disposal.
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In the thread you pointed, it's said :
"As this happened on OnePlus 8 Pro, it is advised to take backup of /persist partition before crossflashing (eg going from International to Indian build) as fingerprint reader may give an error related to enrollment issue. You can do so by using dd if=/dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/persist of=/sdcard/persist.img (you must have root access, which is not something I'm going to explain here) and moving it to your computer/cloud."
Seems to me that root is needed.

Livlander said:
In the thread you pointed, it's said :
"As this happened on OnePlus 8 Pro, it is advised to take backup of /persist partition before crossflashing (eg going from International to Indian build) as fingerprint reader may give an error related to enrollment issue. You can do so by using dd if=/dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/persist of=/sdcard/persist.img (you must have root access, which is not something I'm going to explain here) and moving it to your computer/cloud."
Seems to me that root is needed.
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MSM Readback Mode.

Livlander said:
In the thread you pointed, it's said :
"As this happened on OnePlus 8 Pro, it is advised to take backup of /persist partition before crossflashing (eg going from International to Indian build) as fingerprint reader may give an error related to enrollment issue. You can do so by using dd if=/dev/block/bootdevice/by-name/persist of=/sdcard/persist.img (you must have root access, which is not something I'm going to explain here) and moving it to your computer/cloud."
Seems to me that root is needed.
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DEL

rodken said:
MSM Readback Mode.
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All right then. Will give it a try
Thanks
Liv.

Livlander said:
All right then. Will give it a try
Thanks
Liv.
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Worked perfectly
Thanks again,
Liv.

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need Oneplus7 MSM Tool

i need Oneplus7 MSM Tool,Hard Bricked my OnePlus 7
I haven't seen it in the wild yet.
Try contacting OnePlus support and they will use the tool for you remotely.
You can grab a copy at the same time.
Same here . Hard bricked my op7. No luck finding the right msm tool. Let me know if you find any
How did you brick the device? Can you still boot to bootloader mode?
iaTa said:
I haven't seen it in the wild yet.
Try contacting OnePlus support and they will use the tool for you remotely.
You can grab a copy at the same time.
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Yeah that would be easy and effort less
Anyone found the solution?
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Harish263 said:
Yeah that would be easy and effort less
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My phone is the Chinese version GM1900,But I want to upgrade the oxygen OS
lbule said:
My phone is the Chinese version GM1900,But I want to upgrade the oxygen OS
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Just contact support saying you want to go to OOS, that local upgrade of OOS builds over H2OS don't work and they will send you an email with unbrick tool package link. When L2 support will remote in your computer, keylog them so that after the end of the session you can download the file back, use the password and then have a copy you could share here.
pls upload msmtool and share if u have get. i bricked my phone.

Help! Oneplus Newbie!

While i am no beginner when it comes to modding phones, having done so with Samsungs Sonys and my last HTC 10. But this is my first Oneplus and my first time dipping toes in the world of A/B partitions as well. My device is a 1910 GM21AA. While i have gone through the guides regarding bootloader unlocks and magisk rooting, I have failed to grasp some more basic aspects. For one thing, i seem to have the Chinese variant but mine isnt Hydrogen OS, i am currently sitting on 9.5.3 OOS. I was wondering how i could perhaps shift to the Global firmware. Am i to take the latest 9.5.11 OTA from https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...7-pro-global-repo-oxygen-os-t3930585#poststop and simply put it in the download folder and do a local update from the system update on the phone? Thanks in advance
Use the oygen os updater from the play store download full rom which is around 2gb and do local upgrade.
FYI GM21AA is Indian Version
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zmafreak said:
Use the oygen os updater from the play store download full rom which is around 2gb and do local upgrade.
FYI GM21AA is Indian Version
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the packages shown in the app seem to be the same zips in the thread i linked...so all i do is take the GM21AA from the thread and just do a local update? I read that 1910 is the Chinese variant for my device but it has this GM21AA build which just made things so confusing. Thank you.
I would now like to know of things i can do to bring my OP7Pro to life in case something ever goes wrong with Local storage updates or just Fcked up in general
linx1287 said:
the packages shown in the app seem to be the same zips in the thread i linked...so all i do is take the GM21AA from the thread and just do a local update? I read that 1910 is the Chinese variant for my device but it has this GM21AA build which just made things so confusing. Thank you.
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That should do.. it should give you an error if the update is incompatible. Incase you mess up you can always fastboot and update using this thread https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/foru...ock-fastboot-roms-oneplus-7-pro-t3931424/amp/
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zmafreak said:
That should do.. it should give you an error if the update is incompatible. Incase you mess up you can always fastboot and update using this thread https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/foru...ock-fastboot-roms-oneplus-7-pro-t3931424/amp/
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After flashing the rom, i cant for some reason enter engineering mode. I could with my original firmware. Has this happened to you or anyone?
I never tried it tbh
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linx1287 said:
After flashing the rom, i cant for some reason enter engineering mode. I could with my original firmware. Has this happened to you or anyone?
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I could be wrong, but I think that's the norm with everyone since updating. Thinkni read it in one of the XDA forums around here somewhere.
How do i roll back to full stock if i am on custom rom? This is unfortunately also my first time dealing with A/B partitions.
Aside from these, i have been going around the forums and had a few more questions that i hope someone could help me with....
1. Whenever i come across a rom not based on OOS, i keep coming across never wiping system or vendor, why is that?
2. I come across flashing OOS a lot, how do i flash OOS when i am in a custom rom not based on OOS?
 @hallo dare @virtyx
zmafreak said:
Use the oygen os updater from the play store download full rom which is around 2gb and do local upgrade.
FYI GM21AA is Indian Version
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GM21AA IS global too
---------- Post added at 03:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:41 PM ----------
hallo dare said:
I could be wrong, but I think that's the norm with everyone since updating. Thinkni read it in one of the XDA forums around here somewhere.
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look in the volte thread
there is an apk to installnand enables it again with limited functionality
or use MSM tool to go back to 953 and tibu backup and restore on 9511
oneplus removed it for some reason...
maybe because they found out we're forcing VOLTE?
linx1287 said:
How do i roll back to full stock if i am on custom rom? This is unfortunately also my first time dealing with A/B partitions.
Aside from these, i have been going around the forums and had a few more questions that i hope someone could help me with....
1. Whenever i come across a rom not based on OOS, i keep coming across never wiping system or vendor, why is that?
2. I come across flashing OOS a lot, how do i flash OOS when i am in a custom rom not based on OOS?
@hallo dare @virtyx
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full zip upgrade
or MSM tool.
you will be wiped.
virtyx said:
full zip upgrade
or MSM tool.
you will be wiped.
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Do i use MSM tool or fastboot method whenever i need to get back to complete stock without any root or twrp? If so then i think MSM tool or fastboot roms would be a great way to go. 1 question, does using msm or fastboot return the phone to stock while keeping the bootloader unlocked? Also, is it ok to downgrade to a lower version of OOS with MSM or fastboot roms? i think 9.5.11 for me introduced some random background battery drain and this weird mobile data bug where switching to it doesnt enable the connection until much much later
I personally use fastboot. All you need to do is plug the phone in>Boot to fastboot (hold vol up and down and power all at once)>On the computer launch flashall.bat (dont run it as administrator, just launch it).
PerthBoi92 said:
I personally use fastboot. All you need to do is plug the phone in>Boot to fastboot (hold vol up and down and power all at once)>On the computer launch flashall.bat (dont run it as administrator, just launch it).
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Do you use it to downgrade or whenever you need to go back to full stock after modding? does it keep the bootloader unlocked or does it relock it? Thanks. Sorry for the noob questions. This is my first Oneplus. I have kept my device stock until i get a good idea of how to deal with things going south.
I need a little guidance regarding this thread
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/how-to/guide-mega-unbrick-guide-hard-bricked-t3934659
Are these rom packages for MSMtool or fastboot packages?
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Never mind...msmtool stuff just went through the files

(SOLVED) Need help from T-MO users

If its possible or if anyone can. I need the param.bin and persist.img from the tmo OnePlus 8t. My goal is to revert back to tmo OOS but I cant back up my device's param nor persiSt because it recognizes the device as an OnePlus 9R. if anybody can donate me those two files, I can test and verify if I can return to TMO OOS and help others that might be facing the same problem as I am facing. Here is the msm tool for TMO users:
kebabt_15_O.01_210121.zip | by Some_Random_Username for OnePlus 8T
Download GApps, Roms, Kernels, Themes, Firmware, and more. Free file hosting for all Android developers.
androidfilehost.com
Credit: Some_Randome_Username for the MSM files
EDIT-: Managed to get hands on a param.bin from a fellow 8t user. By flashing it I managed to restore my device to OOS TMO using the MSMDownloadTool. I suggest to everybody to backup their persist.img as well as the param.bin no matter the case. Those two files can save you from troubles that MSM might not help with especially if your persist.img breaks.
I might be able to help you. I'm a little rusty at the OP devices. I have my 8T unlocked but still using stock. My only need for root thus far was to run a specific app that interfaces with the Qualcomm radios. I took an OTA and never rooted after that. I reckon if I could get to QFIL mode it's just a simple DD command. I may have a stock TMO ROM somewhere too. I'm currently 11.0.12.14.KB09CB. Which version are you looking for?
Glad that you have answered
amcferrin90 said:
I might be able to help you. I'm a little rusty at the OP devices. I have my 8T unlocked but still using stock. My only need for root thus far was to run a specific app that interfaces with the Qualcomm radios. I took an OTA and never rooted after that. I reckon if I could get to QFIL mode it's just a simple DD command. I may have a stock TMO ROM somewhere too. I'm currently 11.0.12.14.KB09CB. Which version are you looking for?
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Hello, i am so glad that you replied to the thread was gonna delete it. The version i am looking for is 11.0.7.9. It is probably the one that could help me return to TMO out of the 9r loop that i have
KALINAG said:
Hello, i am so glad that you replied to the thread was gonna deleted. The version i am looking for the 11.0.7.9. It is probably the one that could help me return to TMO out of the 9r loop that i have
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Here's your link for the 11.0.7.9 firmware.
kebabt_15_O.01_210121.zip | by Some_Random_Username for OnePlus 8T
Download GApps, Roms, Kernels, Themes, Firmware, and more. Free file hosting for all Android developers.
androidfilehost.com
due credit to Some_Random_Username for the link.
sameog said:
Here's your link for the 11.0.7.9 firmware.
kebabt_15_O.01_210121.zip | by Some_Random_Username for OnePlus 8T
Download GApps, Roms, Kernels, Themes, Firmware, and more. Free file hosting for all Android developers.
androidfilehost.com
due credit to Some_Random_Username for the link.
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done thanks
KALINAG said:
If its possible or if anyone can. I need the param.bin and persist.img from the tmo OnePlus 8t. My goal is to revert back to tmo OOS but I cant back up my device's param nor persiSt because it recognizes the device as an OnePlus 9R. if anybody can donate me those two files, I can test and verify if I can return to TMO OOS and help others that might be facing the same problem as I am facing. Here is the msm tool for TMO users:
kebabt_15_O.01_210121.zip | by Some_Random_Username for OnePlus 8T
Download GApps, Roms, Kernels, Themes, Firmware, and more. Free file hosting for all Android developers.
androidfilehost.com
Credit: Some_Randome_Username for the MSM files
EDIT-: Managed to get hands on a param.bin from a fellow 8t user. By flashing it I managed to restore my device to OOS TMO using the MSMDownloadTool. I suggest to everybody to backup their persist.img as well as the param.bin no matter the case. Those two files can save you from troubles that MSM might not help with especially if your persist.img breaks.
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I'm currently facing same problem, could you please kindly help to share me those 2 files. Million thanks, mate!
LinhBT said:
I'm currently facing same problem, could you please kindly help to share me those 2 files. Million thanks, mate!
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I would gladly share my param.bin but the persist i cant since it contains important device data that cannot be shared
KALINAG said:
I would gladly share my param.bin but the persist i cant since it contains important device data that cannot be shared
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I can understand that, and lucky me, I mostly need the param.bin since I forgot to back it up when try to convert my 8T to CyberPunk version, therefore, as u already know, I'm stuck )
So it would be very helpful if u can send me the link to download the param.bin . Thanks a lot again mate!
KALINAG said:
I would gladly share my param.bin but the persist i cant since it contains important device data that cannot be shared
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I'm still waiting, my friend
LinhBT said:
I'm still waiting, my friend
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LinhBT said:
Here you go friend, sorry I took my time I totally forgot about it so my bad on that part. Hope it works out for you tho like it did for me
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Million thanks mate. I'm gonna give it a shoot right away and update the situation. Thanks again my friend.
Bro...... I'll have to say............
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It works bro
Thanks again, a lot!
LinhBT said:
Bro...... I'll have to say............
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It works bro
Thanks again, a lot!
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NICE!! glad i helped out brother. Enjoy to the fullest!
How did you flash it I keep getting unable to change critical partitions dying to get back to stock 8t
Pax988 said:
How did you flash it I keep getting unable to change critical partitions dying to get back to stock 8t
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try on fastbootd if u do it on normal bootloader it wont work
KALINAG said:
try on fastbootd if u do it on normal bootloader it wont work
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Thank you for the reply I'm unable to enter fastbootd mode I know I sound like a fool I'm the only person who can't
enter fastboot D mode but I've been researching this for 3 months
KALINAG said:
NICE!! glad i helped out brother. Enjoy to the fullest!
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I was stuck with CyberPunk and then 9R ported ROM for too longgggg )
Pax988 said:
How did you flash it I keep getting unable to change critical partitions dying to get back to stock 8t
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It must be flashed in FastbootD bro. And you must have stock Recovery along.
Pax988 said:
Thank you for the reply I'm unable to enter fastbootd mode I know I sound like a fool I'm the only person who can't
enter fastboot D mode but I've been researching this for 3 months
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Nah man no worries thats why i created this Thread so people can help out. To enter into fastbootd u can do it from bootloader by typing in cmd fastboot reboot fastboot. the other way is with adb and typing in cmd adb reboot fastboot. u must have usb debuggin enabled and if u r on OOS 11 then u must have the stock recovery
KALINAG said:
Nah man no worries thats why i created this Thread so people can help out. To enter into fastbootd u can do it from bootloader by typing in cmd fastboot reboot fastboot. the other way is with adb and typing in cmd adb reboot fastboot. u must have usb debuggin enabled and if u r on OOS 11 then u must have the stock recovery
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Outstanding thank you I can't wait to get home from work and try it

ONEPLUS 8 STUCK W/O Software

Hello,
I have a Oneplus 8 5W from Verizon, and I followed a topic to unlock the device which I did successfully. However, I'm stuck in Fastboot. I tried installing TWRP, but couldn't utilize it to flash to software. Can someone help?
You should have used MSMTool to get a clean build of Android 11 prior to doing the unlock process. Repeat the instructions again.
Xryphon said:
You should have used MSMTool to get a clean build of Android 11 prior to doing the unlock process. Repeat the instructions again.
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While doing that. I found out that I have made a mistake and installed Oneplus 8 Pro software into my Oneplus 8. I knew that by installing TWRP and going to the terminal where it shows the name of the device. What can I do?
SkyMine said:
While doing that. I found out that I have made a mistake and installed Oneplus 8 Pro software into my Oneplus 8. I knew that by installing TWRP and going to the terminal where it shows the name of the device. What can I do?
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Again, use the MSMTool if still possible to restore to the original partitions. Start from the beginning again; your partitions are already messed up enough.
Xryphon said:
Again, use the MSMTool if still possible to restore to the original partitions. Start from the beginning again; your partitions are already messed up enough.
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I get an error, "Device does not match image"
SkyMine said:
I get an error, "Device does not match image"
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Use the stock. ops from the OnePlus 8 5G UW bootloader unlock page.
As stated before, please read the instructions thoroughly.
Xryphon said:
Use the stock. ops from the OnePlus 8 5G UW bootloader unlock page.
As stated before, please read the instructions thoroughly.
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Thank you very much, I just used the stock.ops and then after that, I used the unlock.ops, I booted directly to TWRP, and it still says "Oneplus 8 Pro". What do you advise me to do next?
SkyMine said:
Thank you very much, I just used the stock.ops and then after that, I used the unlock.ops, I booted directly to TWRP, and it still says "Oneplus 8 Pro". What do you advise me to do next?
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I believe the TWRP is engineered to be cross - device compatible. You can use it as normal, provided that it is working.
Xryphon said:
I believe the TWRP is engineered to be cross - device compatible. You can use it as normal, provided that it is working.
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The only problem right now is that I'm stuck in 8 pro software, and my phone is Oneplus 8. I have no idea how this has happened, I was very tired and working so it slipped my mind to double-check. I'm not sure how to go back to Oneplus 8 software..
I want to thank you for being patient with me!
i ended up in a Qualcomm crashdump mode lol I'm so done with this device....

Question POCO X3 PRO BRICKED

my POCO X3 PRO was in the ArrowOS A13 ROM, I modified some things like the Adreno Drivers to version 615 worked perfect, the next day I updated via OTA with OrangeFox and everything was still 100% after 2 days I was editing a video and it crashed It got stuck and didn't respond, then when it restarted it didn't start the ROM (it stayed in the POCO logo)... It goes into recovery but it takes at least 30 seconds to go in, I saw that I got 3 new partitions that weren't there (System_EXT, Product, ODM,) does not recognize the storage (the Micro SD does) the VAYU has dynamic partition, but my VAYU says that it has not tried to recover by My flash. it flashed ok but it didn't work. gives an error called (Block device required)
linuxinho said:
my POCO X3 PRO was in the ArrowOS A13 ROM, I modified some things like the Adreno Drivers to version 615 worked perfect, the next day I updated via OTA with OrangeFox and everything was still 100% after 2 days I was editing a video and it crashed It got stuck and didn't respond, then when it restarted it didn't start the ROM (it stayed in the POCO logo)... It goes into recovery but it takes at least 30 seconds to go in, I saw that I got 3 new partitions that weren't there (System_EXT, Product, ODM,) does not recognize the storage (the Micro SD does) the VAYU has dynamic partition, but my VAYU says that it has not tried to recover by My flash. it flashed ok but it didn't work. gives an error called (Block device required)
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Other recovery like twrp, relocked bootloader? Block device required? You use Google? There are many threads about this error
joke19 said:
Other recovery like twrp, relocked bootloader? Block device required? You use Google? There are many threads about this error
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I already tried different recoveries, and nothing, I can't find information about the problem, I don't know if it's a hardware problem or if it has to be repaired, I didn't expect that, I had been with the VAYU for 9 months and I've changed everything and nothing had happened to me. my bootloader is unlocked
Flash stock fw with fastboot
cuynu said:
Flash stock fw with fastboot
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I already tried it, with my flash
linuxinho said:
I already tried it, with my flash
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You use Google? In the morning I had read something over flash stock recovery and sideload... XDA and the net have many threads
joke19 said:
You use Google? In the morning I had read something over flash stock recovery and sideload... XDA and the net have many threads
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I don't use google, I use the rom clean without gapps, I never use google services
Search for your error with Google
linuxinho said:
I don't use google, I use the rom clean without gapps, I never use google services
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joke19 said:
Search for your error with Google
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there is no information about the error, on the internet
linuxinho said:
there is no information about the error, on the internet
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Okay
joke19 said:
Okay
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I think I'll have to take it to a specialized technician
Use original fastboot rom from xiaomi. That's fixed my issues.
eliasnico said:
Use original fastboot rom from xiaomi. That's fixed my issues.
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did you have the same error as mine?
A similar issue happened to me on stock ROM as well. I'm wondering if the boot partition is just dead and requires service?
linuxinho said:
my POCO X3 PRO was in the ArrowOS A13 ROM
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Ok, although I don't understand why would you even use 13... but ok...
linuxinho said:
modified some things like the Adreno Drivers to version 615 worked perfect,
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First mistake. You THOUGHT it worked perfect. Can you confirm that with dmesg and logcat? Absolutely no errors or crashes related to the gpu? Come on, man!
linuxinho said:
after 2 days I was editing a video and it crashed It got stuck and didn't respond,
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How come, since it works perfectly?! I often encode, recode, cut and edit video on my unmodded ArrowOS 11 Poco X3 Pro, and have no issues. Unbelievable!
99 percent of Poco bricks on this forum are caused by inept people tinkering with parts of firmware they should not tinker with. Well, besides indian Poco versions, those were abysmal.
I had this issue also, i fixed it by flashing xiaomi.eu fastboot rom, used batch file (present in rom zip) for clean install.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/xiaomi-eu-multilang-miui-roms/files/xiaomi.eu/MIUI-STABLE-RELEASES/MIUIv13/xiaomi.eu_multi_POCOX3Pro_V13.0.4.0.SJUMIXM_v13-12-fastboot.zip/download
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