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Hi everyone,
I'm running a rooted Transformer HC 3.1 and Netformer overclocking kernel.
Today I got an OTA update notification, and the update is already downloaded on my TF. I have chosen to postpone the update since I know it will fail, but I can only do this 3 times.
Questions:
1. Is there a way to cancel the update completely at this point?
2. If I let it try to update I know it will fail, but will the device still be usable normally i.e. exactly like before the attempted update?
3. Is there a way to unroot the TF without wiping the data? I would hate to have to set everything up again.
Thanks for your quick help, it seems that I don't have much time before the forced update.
I'm rooted also,if you go to this thread here and read it from front to back,i think you will find your answer... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171116
I'm gonna wait for a bigger update or a rooted version of this update.
Diablo67 said:
I'm rooted also,if you go to this thread here and read it from front to back,i think you will find your answer... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171116
I'm gonna wait for a bigger update or a rooted version of this update.
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Thanks, I 've read through the whole thread.
I don't think anyone mentioned being able to cancel the update though. Perhaps deleting the downoaded installation file would help, I might try just that...
Just got a Sensation this last Sat, my first Android phone, and am interested in rooting it. Never done this on any phone and am a little confused as many guides are for people who want to flash roms. For now, I would just like to root in order to get rid of some preinstalled apps. Is there a guide that has the minimal steps needed to just root? Also, does rooting do anything to my settings or apps that are there now?
MANTI5 said:
Just got a Sensation this last Sat, my first Android phone, and am interested in rooting it. Never done this on any phone and am a little confused as many guides are for people who want to flash roms. For now, I would just like to root in order to get rid of some preinstalled apps. Is there a guide that has the minimal steps needed to just root? Also, does rooting do anything to my settings or apps that are there now?
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Follow steps one to three on the first post of this.. and that is it
Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?
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MANTI5 said:
Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?
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Hello and welcome to the forums.
To property receive OTA updates you need a stock recovery - that's a must! We cannot predict what HTC is going to update next so if you delete a package that is going to be updated - yeah, this may cause troubles. So deleting kinda anything as root may cause a OTA update to fail. I suggest that you buy a application that does a backup when uninstalling a package. I'm using Root Uninstaller Pro to "freeze" some apps just in case HTC releases a OTA that needs one of those disabled apps.
In case you have any other questions feel free to ask.
Jackos said:
Hello and welcome to the forums.
To property receive OTA updates you need a stock recovery - that's a must! We cannot predict what HTC is going to update next so if you delete a package that is going to be updated - yeah, this may cause troubles. So deleting kinda anything as root may cause a OTA update to fail. I suggest that you buy a application that does a backup when uninstalling a package. I'm using Root Uninstaller Pro to "freeze" some apps just in case HTC releases a OTA that needs one of those disabled apps.
In case you have any other questions feel free to ask.
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If you are running the stock ROM you can just update OTA right? I'm not running a stock ROM so i dont have any OTA at all, but just curious...
I'm running stock rom, nothing changed except it's rooted. Are you saying I won't get any OTA updates from HTC? Would I get them if I took the phone in to a T-Mobile store, say when ICS is released or would it still not update because it's rooted?
MANTI5 said:
Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?
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what video did you follow?
Not sure of it's exact location because I didn't bookmark it, but it was on youtube.
Anyone know the answer to my last question?
to find your answer boot into recovery on your phone, if you see it orange or blue with lots of options and on top it says CWM custom recovery, then no you will not receive OTA's, but to be honest thats ok, usually we root users get OTA leaks before its even released, expamle ICS some one is already working on ICS port so we will see ICS before even official release is even out
and if your rooted i found best way to remove bloat is to use titanium backup
back up the apps you want to remove in there and from the same app there is an option to uninstall it
Ok, got TB. Is there a list somwhere of apps that are safe to remove from the sensation? Also, when ICS is released, will putting it on my phone myself erase anything I currently have or not work at all if I start removing apps? Sorry for all the questions, this is my first smartphone.
hi guys,
i read somewhere in this site that you have to unroot to get the 4.4.1 OTA... does this mean that stock android will never get updated?...or is this update not officially launched by google to the masses but just to the developers? pls im new to android and would like to know what the deal is here.
also i have no problem unrooting but i heard that you will stop getting OTA's and will have to side load all new updates everytime and you will also void your warranty...which im in two minds about
No you dont need to be unrooted to update your android version.
You need to have the stock recovery and rom. The update isnt available for everyone yet
you will get a update notification just wait
ayush88 said:
hi guys,
i read somewhere in this site that you have to unroot to get the 4.4.1 OTA... does this mean that stock android will never get updated?...or is this update not officially launched by google to the masses but just to the developers? pls im new to android and would like to know what the deal is here.
also i have no problem unrooting but i heard that you will stop getting OTA's and will have to side load all new updates everytime and you will also void your warranty...which im in two minds about
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You technically voided your warranty when you rooted. But no big deal.
You can download the update and sideload on your own, or wait for the OTA to come to you. If all you have is root, stock recovery and no system mods it will update on its own.
ayush88 said:
hi guys,
i read somewhere in this site that you have to unroot to get the 4.4.1 OTA... does this mean that stock android will never get updated?...or is this update not officially launched by google to the masses but just to the developers? pls im new to android and would like to know what the deal is here.
also i have no problem unrooting but i heard that you will stop getting OTA's and will have to side load all new updates everytime and you will also void your warranty...which im in two minds about
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Hi do not worry. Those posts really do not apply to you yet. You have a phone that is stock meaning, you bought it and using it. If you keep it like that you never have to worry about update. Google will automatically push the update to your phone by next week. Incidentally the phone is also a developer phone, so people usually play around with it. Root, custom roms, kernels etc. Now for these enthusiasts to get the update, they have to unroot, ,to stock just like your phone. After getting the update they will start messing with it again:laugh: this forum being the developers forum of the Internet is the reason why you are seeing all those posts.
Now you are sitting on a Ferrari phone, using it as a Honda. Some day in the future you will let it run at indy500
ayush88 said:
hi guys,
i read somewhere in this site that you have to unroot to get the 4.4.1 OTA... does this mean that stock android will never get updated?...or is this update not officially launched by google to the masses but just to the developers? pls im new to android and would like to know what the deal is here.
also i have no problem unrooting but i heard that you will stop getting OTA's and will have to side load all new updates everytime and you will also void your warranty...which im in two minds about
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Did you mean to ask "do you need to root to get the 4.4.1 OTA"?? If not, your question doesn't seem to add up....
You definitely do NOT need to root to get the OTA. You can wait for the update to be pushed out, or, if you are impatient, you can sideload using ADB or install from recovery.
If you are rooted, as the other folks explained, you may need to get back to stock before you can install 4.4.1
To add to this, I only rooted my Nexus 5 so I could use BetterBatteryStats and some other monitoring apps. Is there any way to go back from TWRP to stock recovery without wiping data/losing root?
I'm quite happy with everything stock and don't plan on doing any mods.
Also, I sideloaded 4.4.1, but would I have gotten the OTA with TWRP?
mmmmBACON said:
To add to this, I only rooted my Nexus 5 so I could use BetterBatteryStats and some other monitoring apps. Is there any way to go back from TWRP to stock recovery without wiping data/losing root?
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Yes, get the recovery.img from the factory image and: fastboot flash recovery recovery.img. That'll put the stock recovery back on your device
donentl are
thnks alot you guys!!
this really helped me out!
i know i am new to android right now and dont know the ins and outs of this os completely... i really liked a reply which said i am sitting on a ferrarri and using it like a honda..lol...i will run it like a veyron in some time but for now my car comes with a "L" sign and a speed limiter on it
thnks again you guys!
I'm running KitKat 4.4.2 rooted. Two days ago, Verizon started trying very aggressively to push a system update onto my phone, and they don't say what it is. Does anyone know what they're trying to force into my phone? I do not want to lose root.
Also, is there any way to stop the aggressive update prompts? If I don't manually set a time to be prompted again, it will push the update without my consent. Is there an Xposed Framework module that can help?
permutations said:
I'm running KitKat 4.4.2 rooted. Two days ago, Verizon started trying very aggressively to push a system update onto my phone, and they don't say what it is. Does anyone know what they're trying to force into my phone? I do not want to lose root...
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It's this (VZW pdf-file). Also see here. Even if you downloaded the OTA, the installation would fail, because your device is rooted.
permutations said:
Also, is there any way to stop the aggressive update prompts? If I don't manually set a time to be prompted again, it will push the update without my consent
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See here. Posts # 4 and #8
Please post your questions in the question and answer section
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Please post your questions in the question and answer section
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Is it in the right place now? I get confused about where to post here, sorry.
I can see why they updated the messaging app. It was completely unusable. Is it still KitKat 4.4.2?
Most importantly, if I were to install it, would I still be able to root using the towelroot app?
Not_A_Dev said:
See here. Posts # 4 and #8
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I have Titanium Backup (Pro), but I don't see the update app anywhere on my phone. I'll post my question in the other thread. Thanks for the link.
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Is it in the right place now? I get confused about where to post here, sorry.
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Yes, I moved it to the Q&A section.
As a good rule. If you are asking a QUESTION and you want an ANSWER post it in the QUESTION and ANSWER section.
Clueless
Hi, I have the Droid Razr Maxx HD xt926 as well and have never done anything with android before in terms of software modification. I first learned how to root my phone and unlock the bootloader in June via the towelroot exploit. I've been wandering around this website wondering how to get this ota update without losing root. I've seen some posts regarding flashing an fxz file, but have also had a hard time understanding what it all means. I have not installed a custom ROM (yet), but when I try to take the ota, it fails because I am obviously rooted. What do I do from this point out? Do I still need to flash a stock image file? Should I just not take the update/is it worth it?
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Hi, I have the Droid Razr Maxx HD xt926 as well and have never done anything with android before in terms of software modification. I first learned how to root my phone and unlock the bootloader in June via the towelroot exploit. I've been wandering around this website wondering how to get this ota update without losing root. I've seen some posts regarding flashing an fxz file, but have also had a hard time understanding what it all means. I have not installed a custom ROM (yet), but when I try to take the ota, it fails because I am obviously rooted. What do I do from this point out? Do I still need to flash a stock image file? Should I just not take the update/is it worth it?
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If you decide to install a custom ROM, you won't have to waste another minute pondering the OTA. If you decide to stay on stock, and want to get VZWs latest firmware on your device, I strongly suggest that you triple-read and follow the instructions in this thread to the T. You will then not have to worry about another OTA nag, because this is the last Moto/VZW update for the XT926.
Okay thanks. I saw that thread on the general forum, but wasn't to sure if I should proceed. I'm going to follow the directions on the original post as I had been planning to do, but was too worried about any consequences. I will report back if I have any problems, given that I can follow instructions. I'll probably just go ahead and try to install the most recent stable release of CM when done. Fingers crossed.
My rooted moto G7 is still on stock android 9, security level 1 October 2019, build PPOS29.114-134-4. My wife has the identical Moto G7 phone, but unrooted, and I know she has received several OTA system updates since then.
My rooted phone is so far behind in updates because every non-OTA update method I've read about results in losing root. I know that regaining root is a simple thing to the experts but every time *I* attempt to root this (or any other phone) I end up getting into trouble. I don't even remember how rooting was originally done on this phone and obviously I am not doing things correctly.
Could a kind expert please give me step by step instructions suitable for a newbie on how to update the system on this rooted phone and then simply regain root?
My phone has twrp installed and I do have recent nandroid backups. If my memory is correct, I originally used twrp to root this phone but my memory may or may not be correct.
Thank you.
(To explain, the only reason I root this phone is
1) to use Titanium Backup which I've used many times to restore apps
2) for easy nandroid backups in case I mess something up
3) to hopefully install a Google free rom one day. I used lineageos on another phone but understand it still has problems on this phone)
maybeme2 said:
My rooted phone is so far behind in updates because every non-OTA update method I've read about results in losing root.
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EVERY update of your firmware requires a new installation of Magisk.
New firmware = new boot.img => Magisk will be deinstalled
Thank you
Actually I cannot get any updates unless I unrooted first. When I tell the phone to look for updates it does and tells me I'm up-to-date. Which I'm obviously not.
So it seems something is preventing update. I assumed it's because I'm rooted. What do I need to do to receive ota updates and after updates how do I regain root?
maybeme2 said:
Thank you
Actually I cannot get any updates unless I unrooted first. When I tell the phone to look for updates it does and tells me I'm up-to-date. Which I'm obviously not.
So it seems something is preventing update. I assumed it's because I'm rooted. What do I need to do to receive ota updates and after updates how do I regain root?
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You have to manually flash the firmware via fastboot. There're a lot of tutorials here in this forum for that.
Do It manually
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g7/how-to/manually-update-g7-using-fastboot-t3917381
Just pay attention to not erase user data and it won't wipe anything
maybeme2 said:
Thank you
Actually I cannot get any updates unless I unrooted first. When I tell the phone to look for updates it does and tells me I'm up-to-date. Which I'm obviously not.
So it seems something is preventing update. I assumed it's because I'm rooted. What do I need to do to receive ota updates and after updates how do I regain root?
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Theres a magisk module called Safety Net something-another and if you install hat module, reboot, go back to magislk-settings and towards the mid to bottom check the box that says Hide Magisk to protect from various forms of detection
Then you can reboot again or just wait awhile and you should be able to update BUT, as stated above, you'll have to reinstall magisk every update.
Thanks. It is hard to know what to believe anymore. In my searches I also read that accepting ota updates on a rooted Moto G7 will brick the phone.
maybeme2 said:
Thanks. It is hard to know what to believe anymore. In my searches I also read that accepting ota updates on a rooted Moto G7 will brick the phone.
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Because some people also tell a lot of nonsense!
An ota.zip is a block based update process. You MUST verify the partitions before doing any changes! Otherwise it could lead to a fully damaged device.
"Hide the manager..." Thanks a lot!!
@maybeme2 flash the correct firmware to update your device.
WoKoschekk said:
Because some people also tell a lot of nonsense!
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Very true. But .....it takes knowledge (which I am slowly acquiring) to tell the difference. And, if the person asking already had enough 'knowledge' to know it is nonsense, they would not need to search for information. A classic Catch-22 dilemma for a newbie. That's why searching for help is so dangerous.
QUOTE=WoKoschekk;82901585]An ota.zip is a block based update process. You MUST verify the partitions before doing any changes! Otherwise it could lead to a fully damaged device.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by "a block based update process". I think I know, but it is dangerous to guess. If you have the time, could you explain?
Also, what do you mean by "verify the partitions before doing any changes!"? Verify for what? And after verifying the partitions, do what with that knowledge?
These are summary statements. Similar to "you must do the correct thing". It does not tell me what the correct thing is.
What people asking for help need is
1. Click on. ....
2. Copy. .. to. ... because. ..
etc.
3. Be sure to. ....
HTA123's answer was helpful that way.
"There are plenty of tutorials" is not helpful because some of these tutorials are incorrect and will brick your phone.
QUOTE=WoKoschekk;82901585]"Hide the manager..." Thanks a lot!!.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by ""Hide the manager..."?
maybeme2 said:
What do you mean by "a block based update process". I think I know, but it is dangerous to guess. If you have the time, could you explain?
Also, what do you mean by "verify the partitions before doing any changes!"? Verify for what?
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Android uses a ext4 filesystem that allocates storage space in units of "blocks". Your system partition is read only and Android will not change anything on it. So Motorola's developers know the block address of each file. Instead of replacing a updated file they replace an updated block.
But on a modified partition the block addresses may have changed for each file. While an update replaces a block with the correct address, this block could stored incorrect files/data.
block based OTA
To avoid such problems an OTA verifies your whole system. The easiest way to verify a partition is to build hashes/checksums.
Hide Magisk Manager
This option is helpful to hide root for some apps that check your device for root. But it's not for a device update/OTA.
WoKoschekk, that is very informative. Thank you so much! I've learned a lot and it explains a lot of things about ota's, and other things.
Excellent. I will copy and keep in my notes.
Thank you again.
maybeme2 said:
WoKoschekk, that is very informative. Thank you so much! I've learned a lot and it explains a lot of things about ota's, and other things.
Excellent. I will copy and keep in my notes.
Thank you again.
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Attached you find a system log of a failed OTA update process grabbed from my Moto G6 plus. I know there are more interesting things in life than that. But it shows you what I have explained in my post before.
After trying to verify the partitions it fails due to a mismatched hash and the update process exits with a error (time: 04:34:25, somewhere in the middle of the log).