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[Q] root question

Just got a Sensation this last Sat, my first Android phone, and am interested in rooting it. Never done this on any phone and am a little confused as many guides are for people who want to flash roms. For now, I would just like to root in order to get rid of some preinstalled apps. Is there a guide that has the minimal steps needed to just root? Also, does rooting do anything to my settings or apps that are there now?

MANTI5 said:
Just got a Sensation this last Sat, my first Android phone, and am interested in rooting it. Never done this on any phone and am a little confused as many guides are for people who want to flash roms. For now, I would just like to root in order to get rid of some preinstalled apps. Is there a guide that has the minimal steps needed to just root? Also, does rooting do anything to my settings or apps that are there now?
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Follow steps one to three on the first post of this.. and that is it

Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?

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MANTI5 said:
Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?
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Hello and welcome to the forums.
To property receive OTA updates you need a stock recovery - that's a must! We cannot predict what HTC is going to update next so if you delete a package that is going to be updated - yeah, this may cause troubles. So deleting kinda anything as root may cause a OTA update to fail. I suggest that you buy a application that does a backup when uninstalling a package. I'm using Root Uninstaller Pro to "freeze" some apps just in case HTC releases a OTA that needs one of those disabled apps.
In case you have any other questions feel free to ask.

Jackos said:
Hello and welcome to the forums.
To property receive OTA updates you need a stock recovery - that's a must! We cannot predict what HTC is going to update next so if you delete a package that is going to be updated - yeah, this may cause troubles. So deleting kinda anything as root may cause a OTA update to fail. I suggest that you buy a application that does a backup when uninstalling a package. I'm using Root Uninstaller Pro to "freeze" some apps just in case HTC releases a OTA that needs one of those disabled apps.
In case you have any other questions feel free to ask.
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If you are running the stock ROM you can just update OTA right? I'm not running a stock ROM so i dont have any OTA at all, but just curious...

I'm running stock rom, nothing changed except it's rooted. Are you saying I won't get any OTA updates from HTC? Would I get them if I took the phone in to a T-Mobile store, say when ICS is released or would it still not update because it's rooted?

MANTI5 said:
Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?
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what video did you follow?

Not sure of it's exact location because I didn't bookmark it, but it was on youtube.
Anyone know the answer to my last question?

to find your answer boot into recovery on your phone, if you see it orange or blue with lots of options and on top it says CWM custom recovery, then no you will not receive OTA's, but to be honest thats ok, usually we root users get OTA leaks before its even released, expamle ICS some one is already working on ICS port so we will see ICS before even official release is even out
and if your rooted i found best way to remove bloat is to use titanium backup
back up the apps you want to remove in there and from the same app there is an option to uninstall it

Ok, got TB. Is there a list somwhere of apps that are safe to remove from the sensation? Also, when ICS is released, will putting it on my phone myself erase anything I currently have or not work at all if I start removing apps? Sorry for all the questions, this is my first smartphone.

AT&T "kitkat" (firmware version D80020c) FAQ

Q: I have don't have the AT&T specific LG G2 (D800)...
A: Don't finish your question... this FAQ doesn't apply to you.
Q: Why won't my phone update?
A: Because your question doesn't include enough information.
Q: My phone currently is currently rooted (and may have been modified); can I update to kitkat (and retain root)?
A: Maybe, but maybe not. You are probably better off doing the procedure (found in another thread) to restore your phone to stock, using ioroot22 (or a more recent version)(found in yet another thread) to root it, but NOT make any other modifications. Then allow the 10o and 10q updates to apply. Then kitkat should apply and leave root intact.
Q: I read the previous answer - where are those other threads?
A: They can be found by searching, looking for stickies, etc. Hint: "ioroot22" is a good search term if looking for "ioroot22." To find a thread about restoring a phone to stock, "restore to stock" might be a great search term.
Q: Why are you calling it "firmware" and not "ROM"?
A: "ROM" stands for "read only memory." The fact that it can be updated (and easily modified) means that it's not ROM.
Q: How to I know which version of the firmware I have?
A: Settings->"About Phone"->"Software Information"->"Software version"
Q: My phone currently has a stock D80010d image. How can I update?
A: You need D80010q to update. First update to 10o, then see the next question.
Q: My phone currently has a stock D80010o image. How can I update?
A: You need to allow it to update to 10q first. kitkat doesn't seem to apply to anything other than 10q. Then see the next question.
Q: I currently have a stock D80010{d|o|q} image, but "update software" tells me there are no other updates. What do I do?
A: Annoy AT&T. If the first tech tells you that they can't push an update, thank them, hang up, and call back.
Q: "update software" tells me to try again in xx hours. I'm impatient. What do I do?
A: Change your time/date settings to manual, and step into the future (adjust the date.)
Q: What about "xposed framework"?
A: It doesn't work (yet.) rovo89 has fixes pending for the next release.
Q: I'm not currently using an AT&T tower (roaming) or I'm using a non-AT&T SIM. How do I update?
A: You don't. People have tried, but no one has been successful when roaming or using a non-AT&T SIM.
Q: How can I install the update without having AT&T's network push it to me?
A: No one yet knows. We have the file that is being pushed, but no one has figured out how to get the phone to install it. (You can flash the entire firmware, however...)
Q: Is there any way to jump directly to kitkat without messing with updates?
A: Yes, but it comes with two warnings... First, it will basically "factory reset" your phone (meaning you'll lose all data, settings, etc.) Second, there's no known way to root the phone after following this procedure. So, if you're okay with what is basically a "factory reset" on your phone and with losing root, jump to the following thread complements of @bigfau: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2662445
UPDATE (2014-Feb-28): Thanks to @AndroidUser00110001, if you have an older firmware with a working custom recovery, you can download and install something that allows you to jump directly to "stock" kitkat _and_ optionally root the device at the same time. HOWEVER, this will still erase any custom recovery on your phone, erase any modifications you've made to your /system partition, etc. For more information, instructions, downloads, and questions, please follow this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2665391
Q: So, I have the new kitkat firmware, but I decided that I want to root my phone after all. What do I do?
A: You'll have to use one of the "restore to stock" procedures to get your phone back to 4.2.2 (D80010d or D80010o), root that, and then have the '10q' and '20c' updates pushed to your phone from AT&T.
Q: Does this firmware have carrier IQ?
A: Yes.
Q: Can carrier IQ be removed?
A: No, but...
Q: Can carrier IQ be disabled?
A: Yes: using "disable service" from the play store (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cn.wq.disableservice), swipe over the "system apps", select "android system" and deselect the checkbox for "IQService"
Q: How do I install a custom recovery (CWM/TWRP) or kernel with this firmware?
A: At the present time, you can't. LG updated the bootloader with this firmware to fix the "loki" exploit which was being used to install custom recoveries and kernels. Be assured, however, that there are multiple people trying to find a way around the security mechanisms anyway. Note that it's still possible to flash an older bootloader along with and older firmware. See the threads on "how to restore to stock."
Q: Why isn't there any custom firmware available based on this official release?
A: I'm sure people are working on it already. However, how would you like to install it? (See above question...) Without a custom recovery, it'd be very difficult to package anything so a typical user could install it. Not many people would be willing to walk a typical user through the process of remounting the system partition and overwriting files. (Anyone who would be fluent with doing that has probably already started customizing their own device.)
Q: I want an RD, RC, or Moderator to walk me through everything. What do I do?
A: Keep wanting.
Q: Why is the sky blue?
A: It's not. It only appears blue to you. It's actually red. However, because you've been told your entire life that it's blue, it's altered your perception of which color is which.
Q: Is this really a FAQ?
A: No. It's just some lines I put together while doing my real (paying) job. Every time my boss looks over my shoulder, I have to make up some lame excuse on why I'm "working" on my hobby instead of what I'm being paid for.
Take care
Gary

Q: Why is the sky blue?
A: It's not. It only appears blue to you. It's actually red. However, because you've been told your entire life that it's blue, it's altered your perception of which color is which.
You... You... MONSTER! you ruined my life.

Do you think the D80010q .tot file would be of any use?

bigfau said:
Do you think the D80010q .tot file would be of any use?
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I doubt it can hurt, though people would be better off at this point flashing 10o, rooting, and then getting the updates pushed (so they retain root.)

wher I can find the file of kk ver?

garyd9 said:
I doubt it can hurt, though people would be better off at this point flashing 10o, rooting, and then getting the updates pushed (so they retain root.)
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@SuperSport explained it to me. If I get the D80010q .tot and flash it with Lg Tools, root, and then check for the update to D80020c. Hopefully root will still stick after Kit-Kat

updated with answers referring .TOT thread from @bigfau along with warnings. Thank you, bigfau, for getting that .tot file and posting it.

Is anyone currently working on recovery/bootloader bypass method, or are we waiting on more variants to be updated to KK. And thanks for the .TOT big
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muppetmaster916 said:
Is anyone currently working on recovery/bootloader bypass method
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Added question/answer for custom recovery/kernel.

garyd9 said:
Added question/answer for custom recovery/kernel.
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Thanks, appreciated.
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best FAQ ever!

Thanks for the FAQ Gary! I am running stock d80010d, every time I check for software updates I get this message "Your Phone is not registered yet." I have called both AT&T and LG twice about this, and no one seems to know whats going on. Any ideas?

suruat said:
Thanks for the FAQ Gary! I am running stock d80010d, every time I check for software updates I get this message "Your Phone is not registered yet." I have called both AT&T and LG twice about this, and no one seems to know whats going on. Any ideas?
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This thread might help you: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2661999

garyd9 said:
This thread might help you: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2661999
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This is the answer to my question! Much Thanks brother!

Root didn't seem to survive update
I was on D80010o and rooted.
I chatted with AT&T rep and updated to D80010q and then D80020c (Kit Kat).
I tried updating my su binary and it fails.
Disable Service says I'm not root.
Has this happened to anyone? Is there a way to update SU?
Thanks

vween said:
I was on D80010o and rooted.
I chatted with AT&T rep and updated to D80010q and then D80020c (Kit Kat).
I tried updating my su binary and it fails.
Disable Service says I'm not root.
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Your phone is no longer rooted. There's no way currently to root it. You can restore to D80010o, root the device, don't do anything else, and get AT&T to push the updates again.

garyd9 said:
Your phone is no longer rooted. There's no way currently to root it. You can restore to D80010o, root the device, don't do anything else, and get AT&T to push the updates again.
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Hmm... that's not good news.
Oh, well. I think I may just wait until a root method is found for 4.4.2.
Thanks!

So there's currently no actual way to disable carrier IQ without root right?

Knight613 said:
So there's currently no actual way to disable carrier IQ without root right?
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Apparently not. AT&T got wise to the previous little trick and buried that sucker good.
As longs as it isn't a buggy battery leech like the last version, I can live with it.

Has anyone outside the US without an AT&T SIM card been able to upgrade to AT&T's stock 4.4.2?
Thanks

[Q] Rooted, 4.4.3 = Error?

Sorry if I am no expert. But I rooted my phone on 4.4.2, today I got the 4.4.3 update, so I downloaded it. I use SuperSU, so I turned on the survival mode, which was meant to keep my phone rooted through the update.
I run stock rom with franco kernel. Now from what I understand, I can install OTA's but that usually would overwrite the root privileges and stuff. Anyways, so I turned on survival mode on SuperSU and ran the update. I was installing, and then got the Error Android icon, the phone eventually started back up after few minutes of that screen.
When I check my root access it's still there, however, under the version of the system it's still 4.4.2 and I don't see anymore updates.
Sorry if I am new to this, but can someone explain rather or not the update pushed through, if not is my system currently messed up in anyways? And what should I do from here in order to get 4.4.3 kitkat.
Thanks!

CIarkness said:
Sorry if I am no expert. But I rooted my phone on 4.4.2, today I got the 4.4.3 update, so I downloaded it. I use SuperSU, so I turned on the survival mode, which was meant to keep my phone rooted through the update.
I run stock rom with franco kernel. Now from what I understand, I can install OTA's but that usually would overwrite the root privileges and stuff. Anyways, so I turned on survival mode on SuperSU and ran the update. I was installing, and then got the Error Android icon, the phone eventually started back up after few minutes of that screen.
When I check my root access it's still there, however, under the version of the system it's still 4.4.2 and I don't see anymore updates.
Sorry if I am new to this, but can someone explain rather or not the update pushed through, if not is my system currently messed up in anyways? And what should I do from here in order to get 4.4.3 kitkat.
Thanks!
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Your answer can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/info-nexus-5-ota-help-desk-t2523217. It is a Stickied Thread in the General section. Short answer: You need to flash the stock kernel or else the update will fail everytime. Give that thread a read (or at least the first post), and please search next time prior to posting.

charesa39 said:
Your answer can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/info-nexus-5-ota-help-desk-t2523217. It is a Stickied Thread in the General section. Short answer: You need to flash the stock kernel or else the update will fail everytime. Give that thread a read (or at least the first post), and please search next time prior to posting.
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Thanks, and sorry new to the forum. But I will make sure to ready all the stickies.

CIarkness said:
Thanks, and sorry new to the forum. But I will make sure to ready all the stickies.
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No worries. :good: You'd be surprised how many times I've done a search and realized there were plenty of other people that had been in the same exact type of sticky situation I had been in at the time. You can definitely learn a lot from the stickies. That's how I learned all the basics about ADB and Fastboot, which is why I prefer to flash everything manually instead of using toolkits. There are some pretty knowledgeable people roaming these here forums.
Welcome to XDA!

Just flash it as a flashable zip in recovery (found in development forum by vomer)
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Rooting question

Hey there!
I was wondering if rooting via towelroot would affect OTA updates? Someone told me you don't get OTA if the system files, bootloader or kernel have been changed. I am completely on stock now. Will apps like Droidwall, Titanium Backup or Greenify make any changes to the system files, hence rendering my phone not eligible for OTA?
Thanks

Read the OTA helpdesk thread about OTA. Link in my signature. Those apps should be fine but you should root properly and use a custom recovery of you're going to be rooted and forget about OTAs.
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I agree! Being rooted without a custom recovery and/or not knowing how to use adb/fastboot is almost asking for trouble.

@rootSU gave you the best info.
You have a Nexus. You can flash stock in minutes when you need to do an ota. Or forget that and flash the update through fastboot. I've never taken an OTA on any device.

Thanks for the replies folks. I just dont feel like unlocking my bootloader at this very moment since there's stuff to backup and I am at the peak of my laziness ( and also very busy to do stuff with my phone)
Edit: Yeah, I sideloaded the 4.4.4 update. Can I sideload any update like this in the future even if I don't receive automatic updates? (i.e doesn't sideload verify that all original files are intact?)

Probably best avoid root in that case then.
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Nice. You relax and we'll figure it out? That's not how XDA works my friend. Ask for help, put some effort in after you get answers. That's how it works.
I'd leave the phone as is and call it a day.

The question has been answered and the thread is going the wrong direction, so I'm going to stop it here.
@Moonheart All the info about OTA's are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/info-nexus-5-ota-help-desk-t2523217
It outlines what you need to do and how to prepare your phone for updates.
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[Q] Upgrade to lollipop

I know there's still speculation about whether we're even getting the images today, but I want to be prepared.
I'm wondering about the best way for me to upgrade to lollipop. I've been searching the Internet all morning but I've been getting conflicting answers, so I want to clarify once and for all here...
I'm currently running kitkat 4.4.4 with the bootloader unlocked, clockworkmod installed, and root access gained. I'd like to avoid using toolkits if possible, and I'd hopefully like to avoid wiping all my data. I don't mind rerooting if I lose root, since that should be easy enough on a nexus device. I've read that rooted phones won't get an ota update, which is fine because I'd rather get it sooner than that anyways from Google's developer download page. I've also read that an upgrade from kitkat to lollipop definitely requires a wipe, but I figure there has to be a way around that. Can I use adb or fastboot? Or clockworkmod? Will these wipe the device? What are my options?
Thanks so much!

if you want to keep your data and root then wait several hours after source is released and flash a rooted version, dirty. or you can flash the factory img. but you can not install an ota.
@rootSU its starting..!

simms22 said:
if you want to keep your data and root then wait several hours after source is released and flash a rooted versiin, dirty. or you can flash the factory img. but you can not install an ota.
@rootSU its starting..!
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I'll write a thread tonight.

Please use the dedicated android L thread
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