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Long story short.. I sold a phone on eBay with the original box. However, the phone was replaced twice due to sleep death issues. So it turns out that the phone I had sold IMEI number was different then that of the original sticker on the box. This is normal as when you replace a phone, they don't send you a whole new box, they just give you a new phone.
So my question is.. why would a buyer make a big deal about the box's IMEI number not matching the phone's IMEI number? I can only think that he's trying to re-sell it somehow to make a profit, but can't because the numbers don't match.
His reason is "because customs won't allow phones into Europe without the original box with IMEI numbers matching". Riiiiiiight
Anyone care to speculate? Thanks.
So basically, the buyer is saying customs will take apart the packaging to check the IMEI, and take the phone out to check the IMEI on the back of it? Plus, what about phones that weren't shipped with their original boxes?
The buyer is obviously lying/bsing.
jianC said:
So basically, the buyer is saying customs will take apart the packaging to check the IMEI, and take the phone out to check the IMEI on the back of it? Plus, what about phones that weren't shipped with their original boxes?
The buyer is obviously lying/bsing.
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Exactly. He said he was speaking with the airport and they would charge $30-$40 dollars to get some "copies" of proof of ownership so he wants to be compensated for this in a partial refund. When I asked him for the number to this airport so I could verify this obvious bs story myself.. he all of a sudden had to ask his friend for the number and would get back to me. And still hasn't 5 hours later.
Obviously, he's trying to do something dodgy here and wants to be compensated $30-40 for something that he screwed up on by not making sure the IMEI numbers match beforehand. I just can't figure out what.
if i were the buyer, and all that's true, i'd be saying to myself, 'dang i guess i shoulda checked on this intl shipping stuff first..."
just my own thoughts on the matter though...
i wouldnt expect every seller, especially a person, selling his own phone to know every countries or airports shipping procedures...
Since you said Ebay: I take it this is outside the return period (if you had one/stated no returns). Assuming the buyer is reputable himself: I'd ask for documented proof. Paypal would require this as well so you're just saying him the time before Paypal asks him the same thing. Cause yeah: this is sketchy.
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if i were the buyer, and all that's true, i'd be saying to myself, 'dang i guess i shoulda checked on this intl shipping stuff first..."
just my own thoughts on the matter though...
i wouldnt expect every seller, especially a person, selling his own phone to know every countries or airports shipping procedures...
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Very true, although I don't claim to be an expert on such matters.. from what I understand.. customs doesn't actually open and physically inspect packages unless there's something really abnormal/illegal looking on the package. Imagine if customs actually physically inspected every single package that went through Europe on a daily basis. Not at all plausible.
But that really doesn't even matter in this case as he stated that he, himself, was going to Europe with the phone which made this all so much more bs-worthy.
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Since you said Ebay: I take it this is outside the return period (if you had one/stated no returns). Assuming the buyer is reputable himself: I'd ask for documented proof. Paypal would require this as well so you're just saying him the time before Paypal asks him the same thing. Cause yeah: this is sketchy.
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I did state no returns and yeah I was going to ask him for proof.. but I figured it would be needed anyway if he files a dispute, so I just left that be. I just told him that I'm sorry he didn't verify this all before purchasing as if it was that critical to the sale, he should have made sure before purchasing. I also told him that I could not help any further as the phone works exactly as it should and his only problem is mis-matched IMEI numbers. Definitely sketchy.
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Very true, although I don't claim to be an expert on such matters.. from what I understand.. customs doesn't actually open and physically inspect packages unless there's something really abnormal/illegal looking on the package. Imagine if customs actually physically inspected every single package that went through Europe on a daily basis. Not at all plausible.
But that really doesn't even matter in this case as he stated that he, himself, was going to Europe with the phone which made this all so much more bs-worthy.
I did state no returns and yeah I was going to ask him for proof.. but I figured it would be needed anyway if he files a dispute, so I just left that be. I just told him that I'm sorry he didn't verify this all before purchasing as if it was that critical to the sale, he should have made sure before purchasing. I also told him that I could not help any further as the phone works exactly as it should and his only problem is mis-matched IMEI numbers. Definitely sketchy.
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this was a US to US transaction? i thought you shipped overseas... he doesn't have a leg to stand on... no part of your transaction said anything about what you do with it afterwards... or i warranty this, yada yada... it was no returns... i would imagine your sale outlined the phone in its condition... like you said, he should've inquired about that... he's taking it with him??? tell him throw the [email protected] box away....
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i would tell him throw the [email protected] box away....
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Hahaha.. exactly my thoughts. XD And yes, US to US transaction. Then all of a sudden 2 weeks later he needs the original box to match the phone so he can bring it to Europe with him as a gift. Smh. People will make anything up when they screw up instead of just admitting they made a mistake. Oh well heh.
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Unfortunately, eBay and PayPal always side with the buyer. Even if there is a stated "no returns" policy. To make everything supposedly even, they will tell him to ship it back to you, and you will have to refund the original price plus original shipping. You will both be out a little bit. Due to you already paying once for shipping, and him for having to pay to send it back.
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Did you get any receipts or paperwork for the replacements. This may be enough if you can send him those as proof.
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austin420 said:
Unfortunately, eBay and PayPal always side with the buyer. Even if there is a stated "no returns" policy. To make everything supposedly even, they will tell him to ship it back to you, and you will have to refund the original price plus original shipping. You will both be out a little bit. Due to you already paying once for shipping, and him for having to pay to send it back.
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People have gotten around this. All the buyer has to do is do a chargeback on their CC. Dirty business.
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If you live in the EU, Samsung can't void your warranty because of Knox accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
It dictates that any object meeting certain criteria (including telephones, computers, routers etc.) being sold to a consumer inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent, the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device.
Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect (unless you have "bricked" the phone while flashing it, un-bricking is not covered by any statutory warranty). There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software (overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker.
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.
Yes, we know.
We've been through this same thing with the TF700, where unlocking your bootloader needs to be done with the official asus tool, which then gives you a voiding prompt and registers your deviceID as unlocked.
I'm the one who stepped to the EU court about it and passed it to the media...
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ShadowLea said:
Yes, we know.
We've been through this same thing with the TF700, where unlocking your bootloader needs to be done with the official asus tool, which then gives you a voiding prompt and registers your deviceID as unlocked.
I'm the one who stepped to the EU court about it and passed it to the media...
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We know, and we thank you. We've read your relevant thread about this.
TheExodus said:
If you live in the EU, Samsung can't void your warranty because of Knox accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
It dictates that any object meeting certain criteria (including telephones, computers, routers etc.) being sold to a consumer inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent, the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device.
Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect (unless you have "bricked" the phone while flashing it, un-bricking is not covered by any statutory warranty). There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software (overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker.
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.
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yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
iba21 said:
yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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Stop FUDding please. If you damage or change the hardware, yes. But software or even firmware changes don't matter: if the device stops working, it should be replaced. And there's no such thing as a class action over here. .. Other laws you know.
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iba21 said:
yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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That's what they would lead us yo believe but not factual. Do you how many people get deterred from claiming warranty because of such statements? Software is completely different from hardware when it comes to warranty. I myself have phones replaced even though rooted. I'm sending another one for repairs.
Yrcimim said:
Stop FUDding please. If you damage or change the hardware, yes. But software or even firmware changes don't matter: if the device stops working, it should be replaced. And there's no such thing as a class action over here. .. Other laws you know.
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riz157 said:
That's what they would lead us yo believe but not factual. Do you how many people get deterred from claiming warranty because of such statements? Software is completely different from hardware when it comes to warranty. I myself have phones replaced even though rooted. I'm sending another one for repairs.
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Well, i'm not defending samsung, i'm pro modding, as you can see in my signature
The only thing is, if you unlock the phone you can have problems with warranty.. is it legal? Well, suppouse it's unlegal, you have a damage phone, you send it to samsung, it doesen't fix the for free, what will you do?
Justice and real life are not synonymous
iba21 said:
Well, i'm not defending samsung, i'm pro modding, as you can see in my signature
The only thing is, if you unlock the phone you can have problems with warranty.. is it legal? Well, suppouse it's unlegal, you have a damage phone, you send it to samsung, it doesen't fix the for free, what will you do?
Justice and real life are not synonymous
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Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)
Tiny Clanger said:
Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)
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well, this is absolutely correct :good::good:
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i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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Well, no.
have a computer and Install linux. Say your CD Drive or whatever gets damaged, NO ONE will say: "you have modified the system on your Computer, so you dont get a warranty repair"...
TheExodus said:
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.
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a Manufaturer May do this since the Manucaturer Warranty is optional and has nothing to do with the warranty of the seller.
Tiny Clanger said:
Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)
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Well, even IF you buy it from Samsung, the EU seller warranty (I'm grateful Germany has 2 seperate words for those) isnt Affected by EULAs and whatnot. even if they say they wont repair it for the manufacturer warranty, you still have the option to say they're also the seller, so the seller warranty applies...
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We know, and we thank you. We've read your relevant thread about this.
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I see what you did there and me like it. Talk about killing someone with his own medicine
If you read the warranty card...according to Sammy ...anything you do, even an app install, would void the warranty. check teh small print. That's why we have EU directives. Also, bad experience, we lately had a Toshiba Quismo refused to warranty repair because we downgraded to WIN7...Sammy still has 5 star CS compared to others
even an app install???
can you quote me that?
OMG then the US practically has no warranty for Samsung SMartphones at all...
... accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
This is not a EU law but a Directive 1999/44/CE from EU and a Directive is not a Law.
Like You see here at step [1]:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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[1] EU member states must have by now imported the Directive 1999/44/CE into their national laws. So you should quote also your local law on that topic.
To see if You have on Your Country National Laws about see here:
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My1xT said:
Well, no.
have a computer and Install linux. Say your CD Drive or whatever gets damaged, NO ONE will say: "you have modified the system on your Computer, so you dont get a warranty repair"...
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man, pc is not an EMBEDDED hardware.. pc has singolar warranty for each pcb/cpu
try to install a modded firmware of a new graphic card, try to brake it, and send the graphic card to the manufacture, try, and see if it will ben repaired even if YOU BROKE THE FIRMWARE BY A MODEDD ONE.. try :good:
try to broke the bios/efi of the motherboard of pc
or the firmware of the hdd/ssd
try to overclock rams over its max voltage
try
overclocking can damage the hardware itself, of course it's NOT keeping the warranty.
but why can android be not as modular in the sme fashion every part has it's own firmware and changing from Stock android to Cyano or whatnot should be seen as a similar process as changing from Windows to Ubuntu or whatnot...
My experience from sending a rooted Note 2 back to Samsung (I forgot to unroot it lol) was that they completely refused to do anything with it despite me asking nicely and then not so nicely!
When I unrooted it properly and sent it back, they fixed it without a quibble, thank god their records were crap!
I don't think I'll touch my Note 3 until all traces can be hidden from Samsung.
oalex said:
I see what you did there and me like it. Talk about killing someone with his own medicine
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Her, mate.
Also, I did not make a thread because I might as well make one in every bloody device specific forum, as people here never use the search function when it is required anyway.
Plus it doesn't apply if you use a Carrier-bound phone. They have their own insurance, and you still have to pay the 192 euro 'research costs'.
I've stopped pointing out things. I spend almost a month pre-release telling everyone that the Region Lock was software-based and nobody believed me. Might as well not, as people don't listen anyway.
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Her, mate.
Also, I did not make a thread because I might as well make one in every bloody device specific forum, as people here never use the search function when it is required anyway.
Plus it doesn't apply if you use a Carrier-bound phone. They have their own insurance, and you still have to pay the 192 euro 'research costs'.
I've stopped pointing out things. I spend almost a month pre-release telling everyone that the Region Lock was software-based and nobody believed me. Might as well not, as people don't listen anyway.
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And you think I care about all what you just wrote to me why?
Apart from the "her, mate" part, didn't you want to write the rest to someone else?
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And you think I care about all what you just wrote to me why?
Apart from the "her, mate" part, didn't you want to write the rest to someone else?
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I did, but for some reason the Multi-quote option didn't stick.
I also can't edit, and the search function also gives a blank page. Server seems to be having a fit again.
This is for any Verizon device, not just the Samsung Galaxy S5. Please spread this to other device forums!
Recently, I came up with an idea of a developer program. What this program would do is allow people to pay a fee to have their bootloaders unlocked, regardless of the device. This would allow people the freedom to modify their device or develop for it without any issues. I did a little research and could not find anything similar to this (besides developer edition devices). So, with this idea in mind, I sent an email to the Executive VP of Verizon. Twenty minutes later, I received a phone call from his office. Long story short (there was a lot of talk about rooting and unlocking), the guy who called me put my idea through to marketing. However, since only about 1% of customers root their devices, there is concern of the interest in this.
What this thread is for is to see how many people would be interested in this program.
What would you be willing to pay to customer service to have your bootloader unlocked?
$0
$5
$25
$50
$100
Please use only one of those five prices, and no other prices.
You may discuss this in further detail in this thread. However, arguing, trolling, slandering, bickering, and anything else that will clutter this thread and overwork the moderators WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. This thread is not the thread to argue with others over the details since the idea is already in marketing. If you wish to argue or troll, please take it somewhere else. And, as always, please follow the forum rules. Thank you for looking at this thread.
For those who are concerned with the warranty, please read this. Huge thanks to @shootind5nukes for this info.
Just so everyone knows the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act prevents someone from totally VOIDING a warranty. Verizon/Samsung could only deny to warranty something if they can prove something you did cause the issue. Anything that has nothing to do with what you did still has to be under warranty. If you LCD started to lose color or get dead pixels that would still have to be covered because that has nothing to do with bootloaders and flashing ROMS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act
"The federal minimum standards for full warranties are waived if the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance."
I learned about this when I was going to get my truck lifted. I was told if I did it would VOID my truck's warranty. After looking into it further it didn't actually VOID anything. But for example if I went in to get my suspension fixed because it broke they could argue that the lift kit put stress on the suspension and that's why it failed so they would not have to cover it. But if my motor exploded because it was made out of cheese it would still be under warranty, the entire warranty can never be voided. Only damage caused by what you did. Food for thought guys.
If anyone has anything to add please do.
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Here is the email of the VP I emailed if you want to email him about the developer program. Again, thank you @shootind5nukes for this idea.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/aboutus/leadership/executive/profiles/david-small.html
IF YOU DO EMAIL HIM, BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL PLEASE.
eragon5779 said:
What would you be willing to pay to customer service to have your bootloader unlocked?
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$0. I am a firm believer that the devices I purchase should be fully open for customization.
At this point I would be willing to pay a one time fee of $25. It makes sense it would be a charge since the dev edition has to be bought at full price.
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Verizon has alot of customers 1% is alot of people.
Great program, if implemented. Kudos for the idea AND getting a response! I would pay up to a hundred bucks for an official unlock like this, but I have ATT...
25 is fair, but I'd pay up to 50, if it included some insurance for the device. Is also say, that as an ATT customer, a service like this would tempt me to switch to Verizon
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I'm on ATT as well but would pay upto $50. But my question is if they give a way to unlock it, it would be universal thru all phones. So why wouldn't i just tell my friend. If they would do this why wouldn't they just charge an extra $50 on every phone and have every phone unlocked. No more hassle. Why are they so greedy? If it's only 1% that care about there freedom what would they loose? They would make tons more money.....
http://i.imgur.com/0OBoXTC.jpg
I agree w/ @Cat McGowan, devices should be open for development. And therefore would like to pay $0, but a $5 fee isn't too bad...
According to this there are 107.7 million Verizon wireless customers. So if 1.077 Million people (1%) root there devices on Verizon Wireless and are willing to pay $5 for a bootloader unlock, If everybody pays $5 to unlock there device Verizon would make 5.385 Million Dollars
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I voted for $50 because that seems reasonable but at this point ive been looking to buy a $200 device that is unlockable so i would really probably pay more for a clean, official unlock. I agree that the spirit of Android should be open and therefore unlocked for free but its obvious that OEMs dont feel this way and Google isnt likely to "pull an Apple" so to speak and tell OEMs to leave their devices unlocked.
How wonderful would it be to not have to risk bricking devices and staying one step ahead to keep root and ROM?!
If Big Red is talking about this then its a milestone indeed. For so long the official position has been to shut it down. Maybe all of our annoying voices are finally breaking through?
I for one, constantly post on their facebook page, email and frequently call just to bug em about this. Keep it up and step it up! Maybe we can get somewhere?
Edit: Which VP did you email? haha. Seems like everyone on their site is a VP of something or another. Maybe we could all make our voices heard together?
I'd pay $100 if i had to, but $50 is more realistic. If it was $100 i feel like that would dissuade enough people from spending that type of money to the point where community development is lacking , just like it is for locked down devices with only DevEd's as an option.
I really really hope something comes from this. TMo is just looking too good these days but i don't want to give up this network.
I would be comfortable with $25.00.
I'm with big blue, would pay 25 bucks in a heartbeat. 50... ehh, I'd be hesitant. This is the first device I've owned where I wasn't hellbent on unlocking the bootloader
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joshuabg said:
According to this there are 107.7 million Verizon wireless customers. So if 1.077 Million people (1%) root there devices on Verizon Wireless and are willing to pay $5 for a bootloader unlock, If everybody pays $5 to unlock there device Verizon would make 5.385 Million Dollars
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I voted for $100, but all of these choices seem reasonable to me. Obviously being able to do it for free would be optimal.
The quote above really isn't a great way of looking at it. Sure, $5M sounds like a lot, but taken in context it is a rounding error at a place like Verizon. That $5M isn't enough to move top line revenue by a single basis point, and therefore wouldn't be enough incentive to the bottom line. Even $100 for the 1.077M people would only add 10 basis points to top line revenue.
All that said, money can't be the sole factor for getting them to let us unlock the bootloaders. They would have to look at the goodwill it would create, and the new customers, as evidenced above, that they could steal away from the other carriers.
Personally I believe we should pay $0 as I paid for the device and should be allowed to do as I please with it. Realistically tho $5-$10 wouldnt be terrible
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I'd be willing to pay up to $50. I would think Verizon could easily steal some customers away from other carriers by offering something like this. However, I don't see any carrier offering any kind of warranty on a device that has had its bootloader modified. It would be very easy for a newb like myself to brick my device and then try to get another under warranty...
$25
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$0. I am a firm believer that the devices I purchase should be fully open for customization.
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This. All of this.
$25
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I just received a 2nd 128GB SGS6 from my provider. So what would you guys do? Googling experiences from other people who have had this happen to them with my provider returning the phone turned out to be quite a hassle (they want you to pat for shipping!!!!) If I understand the law correctly I can hold on to the phone and holding on to it does not mean I agree to but it. In other words I am not obliged to let them know and just wait for them if they charge me the phone becomes mine and I they must give me back my money. Anyway it's still sort of abusing other people's mistakes a bit....
I'm confused with your situation. You received a second S6 from Samsung as a warranty replacement??
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godutch said:
I just received a 2nd 128GB SGS6 from my provider. So what would you guys do? Googling experiences from other people who have had this happen to them with my provider returning the phone turned out to be quite a hassle (they want you to pat for shipping!!!!) If I understand the law correctly I can hold on to the phone and holding on to it does not mean I agree to but it. In other words I am not obliged to let them know and just wait for them if they charge me the phone becomes mine and I they must give me back my money. Anyway it's still sort of abusing other people's mistakes a bit....
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It looks like you are in the EU, but these are the guidelines for the US. Short answer for here: you are legally allowed to keep it, however the US FTC recommends you write a letter to the sending company notifying them that A) you received it, and B) you are legally allowed to keep it, and that you are sending the letter to notify them of this so they do not bill you for the item. And then it goes on to suggest a fair option, which is allow the sender to pick up the item at their expense.
If your EU laws are the same, you got a free gift!
DevonSloan said:
It looks like you are in the EU, but these are the guidelines for the US. Short answer for here: you are legally allowed to keep it, however the US FTC recommends you write a letter to the sending company notifying them that A) you received it, and B) you are legally allowed to keep it, and that you are sending the letter to notify them of this so they do not bill you for the item. And then it goes on to suggest a fair option, which is allow the sender to pick up the item at their expense.
If your EU laws are the same, you got a free gift!
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from what I understand from the legal mumbo jumbo from the relevant article in dutch law it more or less the same would be the case, but still....
daniel4653 said:
I'm confused with your situation. You received a second S6 from Samsung as a warranty replacement??
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920AZ
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no a second from my provider. I extended my contract but made a mistake and had that order canceled. Than I reordered, this 2nd seems to be from the canceled order. My contract details show the correct details from the 2nd order. I have received my first phone correctly already 10 days ago
I would just keep it, they probably won't give it to charity.
Give it to me! So that I can use my 32Gb S6 for the development, and your 128 Gb one for personal use! LOL
I think the most practical and honest thing would be to hold on to it until they bill me next month. If the bill me the (subsidised ) price the phone legally becomes mine and rather than going through the hassle of return and refund just keep it for spare or just sell it myself. If they don't bill me I will return it to a Vodafone (which won't accept it going through experience from others ). I can then / have to keep onto it until they arrange pick up or shipping (which they won't )
Heller i have a big problem i was trading my car against this phone with my friends x girlfriend, and now she called and made it imei locked.
I have tried with Police but they wont do anything.
Is it possible to change imei number or maby change operative system?
Thanks for help
Gbgboy said:
Heller i have a big problem i was trading my car against this phone with my friends x girlfriend, and now she called and made it imei locked.
I have tried with Police but they wont do anything.
Is it possible to change imei number or maby change operative system?
Thanks for help
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Mate changing the imei is ilegal............
You can change the firmware but imei will not change.
MAX 404 said:
Mate changing the imei is ilegal............
You can change the firmware but imei will not change.
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If i change the firmware can i use it then?
Yea i know its not legal but i really need the phone to work :/
in the US, small claims court if you have proof (messages etc) of such an agreement, otherwise you could attempt to have the police seize her (your former) car for fraud and argue that circumstantially she just SUDDENLY owns your car, you SUDDENLY have her phone, and she has it locked down? Thats theft by deception (by a stretch), but also theft by misrepresentation and fraud on her part; argueably grand theft auto (again im familiar with US law).
Or have it repo'd by police and claim the buyer misrepresented terms of sale fraudulently. Is there a bill of sale for the car? any documentation?
I studied law in the US but never took the BAR, GF is an attorney. There HAS to be a loophole or evidence or lack of good faith showing she misrepresented or bought/traded/sold in bad faith. Feel free to PM me. Admit nothing, make no statements other than what you have. Collect save print and present everything you have.
And most importantly don't lie (not saying you have/did/will; just dont; makes litigation that much harder if both parties do).
Gbgboy said:
If i change the firmware can i use it then?
Yea i know its not legal but i really need the phone to work :/
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No it will be still blocked....
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Slade8525 said:
in the US, small claims court if you have proof (messages etc) of such an agreement, otherwise you could attempt to have the police seize her (your former) car for fraud and argue that circumstantially she just SUDDENLY owns your car, you SUDDENLY have her phone, and she has it locked down? Thats theft by deception (by a stretch), but also theft by misrepresentation and fraud on her part; argueably grand theft auto (again im familiar with US law).
Or have it repo'd by police and claim the buyer misrepresented terms of sale fraudulently. Is there a bill of sale for the car? any documentation?
I studied law in the US but never took the BAR, GF is an attorney. There HAS to be a loophole or evidence or lack of good faith showing she misrepresented or bought/traded/sold in bad faith. Feel free to PM me. Admit nothing, make no statements other than what you have. Collect save print and present everything you have.
And most importantly don't lie (not saying you have/did/will; just dont; makes litigation that much harder if both parties do).
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I'm sorry but as already stated changing IMEI is illegal and can't be discussed on xda.
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