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am i the only one noticing sudden performance decrease in phones?

usually happens after warranty expires or a new device comes out ?
i noticed it on my last 3 samsung galaxy phones.
havent had any other brand or series phones so i cant speak for them

so after about a year and a half my phone.s performance has been slowly decreasing despite my best efforts to keep it clean and organized and doing all the tricks to make it faster.
at the moment it is almost unusable . phone is now a little over 2 years old and is constantly freezing.
I have never dropped it and it was in the case since day one.
I keep same apps on it for 2 years and always to cache cleans and uninstall unused apps
also keep the internal memory under 50% yet none of that seems to help
it just keeps slowing down for some reason
anyone can explain what is goin on?
my laptop doesn't seem to lose any speed with age

fuzzysig said:
so after about a year and a half my phone.s performance has been slowly decreasing despite my best efforts to keep it clean and organized and doing all the tricks to make it faster.
at the moment it is almost unusable . phone is now a little over 2 years old and is constantly freezing.
I have never dropped it and it was in the case since day one.
I keep same apps on it for 2 years and always to cache cleans and uninstall unused apps
also keep the internal memory under 50% yet none of that seems to help
it just keeps slowing down for some reason
anyone can explain what is goin on?
my laptop doesn't seem to lose any speed with age
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Phones use solid state storage, solid state storage decreases efficiency over time, they just break down the more that you install/uninstall/write/delete stuff to/from storage. With the way phones work, it is constantly reading/writing/dumping stuff to/from the cache partition(which is where everything that is loaded runs from and stores live data), this constant activity breaks down the efficiency of the cache partition, which cause lag during usage because it can't read to/from cache as efficiently as when it was new.
Also, as phones advance in hardware capability, certain apps(especially Google Play Services) are updated to the point that they require more from the hardware, older hardware can't run it/them as efficiently. Also, some older phones can't install some of the newer/more updated versions of apps, this leaves them using older versions which somewhere along the line are no longer supported, causing performance issues, especially a reduction in battery life and RAM speeds.
Laptops and PC are effected the same way, some older hardware can't install the newer versions of operating systems, or they can install the OS but certain parts of the software might have issues with certain pieces of older hardware and drivers, it just takes way longer with PC than it does with phones. Usually, the older systems are way past their prime before becomes an issue because users get new systems before they get that old, so they never see the performance issues that older hardware has with newer software.
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LG G7 Ram Management is still a mess for me after the 10f update.

So by now I've mentioned a few times already how awful my experience with the ram management has been.
If I have chrome open I can go look for something on other app and when I come back chrome will be wiped out of memory.
This is for me a normal everyday use of my phone, I'm not trying to look to some absurd way of doing speed tests or whatsoever.
This videos is based on something that happened today.
Scenario: I had music playing on GPM, I was browsing the web, and somebody answered to me on a Dutch forum asking why I thought the G7 haptics were so awesome (and yes it is), so I wanted to go to the camera app so I could just confirm what parts of the software would have a feedback attached to it after playing a bit I accidentally pressed the shutter button, at this moment the music stream should lower the volume for the shutter sound, well the music simply stopped and GPM was force killed, and so was chrome .
It isn't lack of ram, 4GB is more than enough for a flagship phone to work, besides the phone reports having over 400MB of free memory.
What have I done so far:
-Because after I got the phone I got an OTA update, I actually did a full reinstall via LG bridge and a software reset
-10f update was also done via LG bridge
-I have kept the installed apps at a minimum, and no app shows excessive ram or battery usage.
https://youtu.be/o5gs1n13jt0

Could it just be that you have a faulty? Because I never get this kind of app killing

xtrocata said:
Could it just be that you have a faulty? Because I never get this kind of app killing
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I assure you, his device isn't defective.

I find the app killing to be MUCH stronger than I was used to after two years on the OnePlus 3. (A wonderful, smooth device, even two years later! Yes, I still miss it.) I was thinking it was the drop from 6 to 4GB of RAM, but it just isn't taking them out of RAM, it's entirely background killing apps from the recents list too. I used to have apps in my recents list I hadn't opened for WEEKS on the OnePlus. So I'm also inclined to believe it's aggressive RAM management on LG's part.
It's not unliveable for me, but definitely noticed, and a bit shocking that a flagship two years newer isn't as good in pretty much any respect as something 'budget' from two years back.

LG bloat and everything is terrible on this device. I wish when they release the android one G7 that they make it available to install on the flagship G7.

Henaway said:
I find the app killing to be MUCH stronger than I was used to after two years on the OnePlus 3. (A wonderful, smooth device, even two years later! Yes, I still miss it.) I was thinking it was the drop from 6 to 4GB of RAM, but it just isn't taking them out of RAM, it's entirely background killing apps from the recents list too. I used to have apps in my recents list I hadn't opened for WEEKS on the OnePlus. So I'm also inclined to believe it's aggressive RAM management on LG's part.
It's not unliveable for me, but definitely noticed, and a bit shocking that a flagship two years newer isn't as good in pretty much any respect as something 'budget' from two years back.
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And what version of Android were you running before on the OP3? Just curious...

I also can assure you that this is Not normal! I get nothing like this on my G7. I can multitask between many many apps all day long and none close, music plays no matter what etc etc

No problems here either, I migrated from my old phone yesterday and had 110 apps installing and configuring them. No unwanted force closing as far as I could see, listened to YT Music for a long time and no glitch, all notifications works just fine. I'm on 10f.

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And what version of Android were you running before on the OP3? Just curious...
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It was (is) on Android 8.0. We got it on the OP3 last year. They're skipping 8.1 and going straight to 9.0 on them though .. and that'll be the last official update for the 3/3T series. But they're unlocked and really easy to flash, so the ROM community will look after future Android versions for quite some time I'd imagine. The specs of those phones will keep them going strong for a long time. Basically until something fails catastrophically.
I'm hoping LG will be a BIT timely with updates to the G7 ThinQ. They really don't have a great reputation for it though, so I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe the next update (10g) will fix it.

I'm having problems with the poor ram management too. I used to have an xperia XZ Premium with same 4gb of ram where i never encountered these ram problems.
I've yet debloated the G7 which improved but didn't improve to a satisfying point. Has anyone tried some of the ram booster apps and do any of them work as expected?
Greets

I had this issue with the HTC U11 on stock. It was just a complete pain. So, I installed the latest unofficial Lineage ROM on it and it's been working pretty well since. I don't currently have this problem on my g7 yet.

7 pro getting slower?

Hi guys.
I recently switched to OnePlus ( 7 pro specifically ) and out of all the phones I've used, XS max, note 10, S10 ECT it's by far the best phone I've used. Although 1 small problem is lately my phone has been feeling like it's getting slower and slower, more and more lags seems to be happening, and things are taking a lot longer to open. Is anyone else experiencing this, or have any ideas what I could do?
Thanks in advance.

I have never experienced this. Best I could think of is to factory reset, start completely from scratch. Maybe root and try a custom kernel.

GeekMcLeod said:
I have never experienced this. Best I could think of is to factory reset, start completely from scratch. Maybe root and try a custom kernel.
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Yeah I've thought of that. I've only used 50% of my storage so I don't think that would be the case. My last resort was a factory reset and custom kernels/Roms ECT. I'll see what other ideas people have first then see how we go from there I think

Okay so I installed Beta 7 and it seems to be a bit better, still not as good as it was when I first purchased it though

Are you running android 10 or 9? I'm sticking with 9 because i had issues with 10 (so do many others) No signs of slowdown here. Ive played with a note 10 and it doesnt compare to the op7 pro in terms of performance.

equlizer said:
Are you running android 10 or 9? I'm sticking with 9 because i had issues with 10 (so do many others) No signs of slowdown here. Ive played with a note 10 and it doesnt compare to the op7 pro in terms of performance.
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I'm on 10, have thought about changing back to 9 but there's quite a few things I enjoy about 10, except the slowness.
Don't get me wrong when I first opened my 7 pro, my other devices including my S10 didn't even feel like they were in the same ball park, but now it just feels like it's getting sluggish.

I've had freezing and its only 2 months old

Shipoftheline said:
I've had freezing and its only 2 months old
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I've had a couple of things freeze for about 20 seconds then it comes good again.

Just a thought, based on something I've experienced... Are you using Magisk Hide by chance? I've noticed that some apps (Google for instance) react poorly to being targeted by Magisk Manager.

aussiesausage said:
Hi guys.
I recently switched to OnePlus ( 7 pro specifically ) and out of all the phones I've used, XS max, note 10, S10 ECT it's by far the best phone I've used. Although 1 small problem is lately my phone has been feeling like it's getting slower and slower, more and more lags seems to be happening, and things are taking a lot longer to open. Is anyone else experiencing this, or have any ideas what I could do?
Thanks in advance.
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get havoc rom, all that trash will disappear.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-7-pro/development/rom-havoc-os-2-6-t3942337
also, sams has the worst software on android platforms.

Tardeaux said:
Just a thought, based on something I've experienced... Are you using Magisk Hide by chance? I've noticed that some apps (Google for instance) react poorly to being targeted by Magisk Manager.
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I'm not rooted, just stock Android 10.

It would really help by giving more info on what exactly you mean by "sluggishness". Are you saying general app opening speed/ sluggishness when typing emails/ slow bootup speeds? Where really is the problem...for all you know it could be a placebo effect or btw have you checked the screen refresh rate...is it 90hz or 60hz? Being on 90hz for so long, any other phone to me looks sluggish...

amirage said:
It would really help by giving more info on what exactly you mean by "sluggishness". Are you saying general app opening speed/ sluggishness when typing emails/ slow bootup speeds? Where really is the problem...for all you know it could be a placebo effect or btw have you checked the screen refresh rate...is it 90hz or 60hz? Being on 90hz for so long, any other phone to me looks sluggish...
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The whole phone, everything I do, nothing is instant anymore. And yes it's on 90hz, I agree I used my S10 the other day and it looked terrible scrolling through stuff compared to 90hz

I second the OP. I have an OP 7 Pro, 12GB version. And after software updates etc, I have seen slowness on my phone. However, after root and running FDE.AI once, looks much better. I have no documentation to prove that actually is the case though, maybe a placebo effect.

aussiesausage said:
The whole phone, everything I do, nothing is instant anymore. And yes it's on 90hz, I agree I used my S10 the other day and it looked terrible scrolling through stuff compared to 90hz
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Funny, I can't see such sluggishness on my OP7Pro. It will be a joke to see sluggishness on these phones given that the phone specs are nothing short of desktop-level specs. I would highly recommend factory resetting your device or better yet starting right from scratch i.e. doing a fastboot stock rom flash using the latest update. This should (hopefully) iron out your issues. I'd also suggest being a bit careful on the apps that you install and rather not restore from google backups. It's best to start afresh (at least once in a while)

Just curious... Have you tried shutting off the animations or at sped them up?
I scaled mine down to 0 and my device is blazing fast now.

amirage said:
Funny, I can't see such sluggishness on my OP7Pro. It will be a joke to see sluggishness on these phones given that the phone specs are nothing short of desktop-level specs. I would highly recommend factory resetting your device or better yet starting right from scratch i.e. doing a fastboot stock rom flash using the latest update. This should (hopefully) iron out your issues. I'd also suggest being a bit careful on the apps that you install and rather not restore from google backups. It's best to start afresh (at least once in a while)
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That is my plan providing I can't do anything without factoring resetting.
room511 said:
Just curious... Have you tried shutting off the animations or at sped them up?
I scaled mine down to 0 and my device is blazing fast now.
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No I haven't actually, I'll give that a go and see how I go

If you've used up 50% of your storage then of course the phone will be processing things slower than a phone that had nothing stored in it. That effect occurs with every device that has memory.

GeeAyeZee said:
If you've used up 50% of your storage then of course the phone will be processing things slower than a phone that had nothing stored in it. That effect occurs with every device that has memory.
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Well I've been at over 70% storage used for the past few months and have seen zero drop in performance. My pixel 2 xl is 80% storage used and it to performs as if it was bone stock. I have over 100 apps on my OP7 pro and haven't lost anything that I didn't have in terms of battery and performance. I swear I don't know what some people do with there phones but issues like these and battery usually come from poorly coded apps. You also can't download PornHub mobile and expect it not to come with consequence of some sort.

GeeAyeZee said:
If you've used up 50% of your storage then of course the phone will be processing things slower than a phone that had nothing stored in it. That effect occurs with every device that has memory.
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I've had multiple devices where I've used well over 50% storage and never had any issues.
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Well I've been at over 70% storage used for the past few months and have seen zero drop in performance. My pixel 2 xl is 80% storage used and it to performs as if it was bone stock. I have over 100 apps on my OP7 pro and haven't lost anything that I didn't have in terms of battery and performance. I swear I don't know what some people do with there phones but issues like these and battery usually come from poorly coded apps. You also can't download PornHub mobile and expect it not to come with consequence of some sort.
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There's a pornhub mobile app? I didn't even know, cheers ???
Kidding, but serious. I am not sure what's happening, maybe I have some app that's causing stupid issues I am not sure, I think I'm gonna factory reset and go from there I think.

Update to Android 11

Hi
I am on OOS 10.0.11.GM21BA with Magisk and TWRP and I want to update to Android 11 11.0.3.1.GM21BA.
However, I saw that there are mentions of stuck devices after updating and the need for patched boot.img and what not.
Until now I used following method to update:
Disable Magisk Modules
Download newest TWRP to SD
Download Full OTA from OP servers to SD
Flash OTA via local update in system settings
Flash A/B retention script with Magisk
Install Magisk to inactive slot
Reboot
Is this method still a valid way of updating? Do I need some extra steps for the update to Android 11?

I would wait... major reported issues even on Pixel phones.
If your current OS is fast, stable and fulfilling it's mission, let it be.
You have nothing to gain.
Running on Android 11 the OnePlus ranks second to Samsung in having severe aggressive background app killing issues. The full implementation of scoped storage in R will devour cpu cycles like a kid eats candy.
The endless popups asking permission to do everything will give you a new pastime.
I can likely coexist with Q... but R is for reject.

Thanks for the informations @blackhawk !
I was actually hoping that I had waited long enough by now for the initial issues to be gone. I actually want to update because of security patches in the first place, which we can't get on Q anymore, at least with stock OOS.
Also, I have multiple friends that updated (just stock phones) and didn't have any major problems, in regards to background killing of apps too, which I would definitely go crazy over if I had to experience that again.
Do you have any further insight to the update process posted?

Nightmare[ITA] said:
Thanks for the informations @blackhawk !
I was actually hoping that I had waited long enough by now for the initial issues to be gone. I actually want to update because of security patches in the first place, which we can't get on Q anymore, at least with stock OOS.
Also, I have multiple friends that updated (just stock phones) and didn't have any major problems, in regards to background killing of apps too, which I would definitely go crazy over if I had to experience that again.
Do you have any further insight to the update process posted?
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Can't help you on the update process.
I don't think R will ever be fixed. So much so that I bought another N10+ because both Google Android and Samsung have been dropping the ball so badly I'm stepping back for 2-3 years.
The fact that the N10+ is still a good viable choice today shows how poorly Samsung has done particularly in 2021.
I wouldn't even think twice about not getting security updates. Unless you do something stupid*, malware simply isn't an issue on Android 9 and up. Q has all of the worst vulnerabilities patched anyway. Don't buy into the Gookill security hype.
Been running unpatched Pie N10+ for close to 2 years with over a year on the current load. No malware forced reloads ever, and no malware in over a year. Redundantly backup all critical data and be ready to reload if needed. Really a reload be less trouble than trying to implement R.
Watch what you download, keep email in the cloud, watch over the download folder for anomalies and you'll be fine.
*no saving dumb bunnies...

blackhawk said:
Can't help you on the update process.
I don't think R will ever be fixed. So much so that I bought another N10+ because both Google Android and Samsung have been dropping the ball so badly I'm stepping back for 2-3 years.
The fact that the N10+ is still a good viable choice today shows how poorly Samsung has done particularly in 2021.
I wouldn't even think twice about not getting security updates. Unless you do something stupid*, malware simply isn't an issue on Android 9 and up. Q has all of the worst vulnerabilities patched anyway. Don't buy into the Gookill security hype.
Been running unpatched Pie N10+ for close to 2 years with over a year on the current load. No malware forced reloads ever, and no malware in over a year. Redundantly backup all critical data and be ready to reload if needed. Really a reload be less trouble than trying to implement R.
Watch what you download, keep email in the cloud, watch over the download folder for anomalies and you'll be fine.
*no saving dumb bunnies...
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Sorry for the delayed response, it was actually not because I updated haha.
Well I can't really say much about R, since i haven't had personal day to day experience, and that's where the little things play a key role which can ruin your experience.
When it comes to the security part, I must say we have a different view on that topic. Unfortunately, you don't always have to be the reason for getting pwned, as there are vulnerability that are out of your ability to do something against it unless the system itself gets patched. The amount of those grows considerable faster once it's not updated anymore as the researchers know that there won't be any patch comming against it. Many of the vulnerability get searched on those system on purpose, especially if a big part of the users are still on that OS version. It becomes more lucrative for them then searching vulnerabilities on R and seeing it getting patched 4 weeks later.
Take RackTooth (which we currently don't know how it really works and how it can be fixed) for example, you are basically screwed once it gets out in the wild, if your device it not supported by the manufacturer anymore. That's also a reason why customs ROM are still so important and the manufacturer giving us the ability to unlock out bootloaders so we can continue to safely use our devices once they don't want to support it anymore.
I will probably be switching to Samsung too after my current device as I don't like where OnePlus is headed, especially with the Oppo codebase merge and them giving up on devices so fast.
It's been 2 years and they still haven't fixed the f*cking call on speaker mic problem, nor the audio quality when making a call with Galaxy Buds+! It is really ridiculous. Kinda regret making 10 people in my surroundings get OnePlus phones....
It feels like Samsung is the only real option left, which is sad to see.

Nightmare[ITA] said:
Sorry for the delayed response, it was actually not because I updated haha.
Well I can't really say much about R, since i haven't had personal day to day experience, and that's where the little things play a key role which can ruin your experience.
When it comes to the security part, I must say we have a different view on that topic. Unfortunately, you don't always have to be the reason for getting pwned, as there are vulnerability that are out of your ability to do something against it unless the system itself gets patched. The amount of those grows considerable faster once it's not updated anymore as the researchers know that there won't be any patch comming against it. Many of the vulnerability get searched on those system on purpose, especially if a big part of the users are still on that OS version. It becomes more lucrative for them then searching vulnerabilities on R and seeing it getting patched 4 weeks later.
Take RackTooth (which we currently don't know how it really works and how it can be fixed) for example, you are basically screwed once it gets out in the wild, if your device it not supported by the manufacturer anymore. That's also a reason why customs ROM are still so important and the manufacturer giving us the ability to unlock out bootloaders so we can continue to safely use our devices once they don't want to support it anymore.
I will probably be switching to Samsung too after my current device as I don't like where OnePlus is headed, especially with the Oppo codebase merge and them giving up on devices so fast.
It's been 2 years and they still haven't fixed the f*cking call on speaker mic problem, nor the audio quality when making a call with Galaxy Buds+! It is really ridiculous. Kinda regret making 10 people in my surroundings get OnePlus phones....
It feels like Samsung is the only real option left, which is sad to see.
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There are security vulnerabilities, simply be aware of them and do what you to mitigate them.
After over a year of zero updates though I know the actual threat level is low. Updates are far more likely to cripple the phone than malware.
Most victims pawn themselves, one way or another. The other common inept screw up of those infected is failure to promptly address abnormal behaviors.
Malware needs to be resolved immediately and the phone shutdown until it is. Trojan preloaders count on a person's lack of wherewithal and failure to act promptly. If I got nailed now, at the worst I be reloaded and 99% fully operational in about 2 hours. 6 if I lost the SD card data.
So what? My data, security, everything is redundant, replaceable, resetable.
Right now unless you go with a older Samsung still running on 10 or 9, there aren't many good options. 2022 is looking bleak as well. This is one reason why I got another 10+. In my opinion it's the zenith of Samsung Note flagships and of Android OS. I'm a pragmatist, I go with what works best. The hype rolls right off like water from a duck.
We are in living a pond of hyperbole

blackhawk said:
There are security vulnerabilities, simply be aware of them and do what you to mitigate them.
After over a year of zero updates though I know the actual threat level is low. Updates are far more likely to cripple the phone than malware.
Most victims pawn themselves, one way or another. The other common inept screw up of those infected is failure to promptly address abnormal behaviors.
Malware needs to be resolved immediately and the phone shutdown until it is. Trojan preloaders count on a person's lack of wherewithal and failure to act promptly. If I got nailed now, at the worst I be reloaded and 99% fully operational in about 2 hours. 6 if I lost the SD card data.
So what? My data, security, everything is redundant, replaceable, resetable.
Right now unless you go with a older Samsung still running on 10 or 9, there aren't many good options. 2022 is looking bleak as well. This is one reason why I got another 10+. In my opinion it's the zenith of Samsung Note flagships and of Android OS. I'm a pragmatist, I go with what works best. The hype rolls right off like water from a duck.
We are in living a pond of hyperbole
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The Pixel 6 / Pro is looking better every day. For once they didn't use specs from 2 years prior.

Nightmare[ITA] said:
The Pixel 6 / Pro is looking better every day. For once they didn't use specs from 2 years prior.
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No SD card slot which makes it useless to me.
It also lacks the intense customization stock Samsung's have by way of the Galaxy store.
Samsung's also have builtin workarounds for the lame swipe gesture navigation; Samsung's can easily be set to have screen navigation buttons.
Word of caution, the Samsung interface on Android 11 variant is reportedly a mess.
The spen is a feature I appreciate more the longer I own* the 10+. It's remote bt control and Smart Capture are extremely useful to me. Otherwise when not needed it neatly nests out of sight.
For power users the Note series is still the weapon of choice in many ways.
*lol, I'm still exploring the features in my original 10+ Pie variant. There are many. I play around with it. Even more on the Q variant and new UI features too, I haven't even played with those yet

Question 2+ Week impressions

Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol

Try clearing the system cache.
All Samsung's need to be optimized and I'm not talking about enabling power management. It tends to do the opposite and will likely cause erratic behavior.
What's going on with the ram?
Wonder if scoped storage is helping to screw it up? It uses extra cpu cycles not sure if it impacts ram usage though. I deliberately avoided Android 11 and 12 because of it... no regrets.

blackhawk said:
Try clearing the system cache.
All Samsung's need to be optimized and I'm not talking about enabling power management. It tends to do the opposite and will likely cause erratic behavior.
What's going on with the ram?
Wonder if scoped storage is helping to screw it up? It uses extra cpu cycles not sure if it impacts ram usage though. I deliberately avoided Android 11 and 12 because of it... no regrets.
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Just seems like only 4 apps at a time can stay in memory anything after that is reloaded.

joemossjr said:
Just seems like only 4 apps at a time can stay in memory anything after that is reloaded.
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Can you change that in Developer options?
Standard limit... or did they change the "standard"?
Lol, I close out apps constantly especially Brave browser which always runs in the background otherwise.

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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Exynos i think?

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
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I think people need to accept that Android is essentially malware and was designed by a company to continuously extract as much information on you as possible behind the scenes. I would estimate at least 90% of all Android apps participate in this game to gain your info for profit. People wonder why phones are sluggish with all this activity happening in the background. This is the cost for all of us users to get an OS and application environment for free.
So the fact that each of us needs to fine tune, debloat, optimize, etc on any new phone to reign in the OS and apps to get acceptable performance is not something new. It really is a journey to research and get any phone working smoothly as each one of us has different use cases.
PS - my new S22 Ultra (SD/T-Mobile) is fast as lightning and I'm very happy with it.

This has been the worst new phone transition I've ever had. From trying to order to Samsung stretching the truth about the specs, to configuring every app from scratch. To multiple Factory Resets just to solve something buggy. To Google apps not performing the same.
I expected the major debloat and privacy settings. I did not expect T-Mo to install Facebook 4 times nor that it would take 6 phone calls to unlock a phone I paid for fully.
I am happy with the performance, screen, and the camera is beyond words. Hoping I am about done configuring and side loading. adb is your friend.

So far, the S22 Ultra feels like the Note20 Ultra with faster data speeds, better battery life, and slightly better camera. There is nothing earth shattering but overall seems a bit better. My only complaints are the weaker vibrate motor and lack of microSD card support.
I had a chance to test the S21 Ultra against the S22 Ultra and found the S21 Ultra to have slightly better speakers, stronger vibration motor, slightly better battery life and it's nice that it comes with up to 16 GB RAM. It's easier to hold as well, but the screen aspect ratio is less practical in many cases. It also gets warmer than the S22 Ultra.
For everything that improves with these iterative upgrades, there are a few steps back. If you're happy with your Note20 Ultra or S21 Ultra, I'd say there's no rush to upgrade unless you get an amazing deal.

joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
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Not seeing any of the lag with shutter you talking about. With or without the flash and 4k 60fps video recording works fine too even in the dark. As for the Ram+ I got mine set at 8gb and I can open and run 12 apps without any problem whatsoever. Never had any problems with T-Mobile signal. Maybe you should try a fresh install? I havent really had any issues since day one other than battery life sucks. I didn't do a fresh install either. I just used Samsung Smartwatch to setup the phone exactly like my S20U which I traded for the Unlocked 512gb using a prepaid T-Mobile plan so no T-mobile software or bloat on here.

Rubby1025 said:
I think people need to accept that Android is essentially malware and was designed by a company to continuously extract as much information on you as possible behind the scenes. I would estimate at least 90% of all Android apps participate in this game to gain your info for profit. People wonder why phones are sluggish with all this activity happening in the background. This is the cost for all of us users to get an OS and application environment for free.
So the fact that each of us needs to fine tune, debloat, optimize, etc on any new phone to reign in the OS and apps to get acceptable performance is not something new. It really is a journey to research and get any phone working smoothly as each one of us has different use cases.
PS - my new S22 Ultra (SD/T-Mobile) is fast as lightning and I'm very happy with it.
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Sorry. No. This ain't it cheif. People make the same argument for TVs (that if they were to make "dummy" TVs without Android it would be a $5K set... um $5K TVs exist and still have the spyware). The gaslighting by manufacturers is real.
Also 2~5K sets then did indeed exist, and for the sake of argument I'm not gonna talk inflation cause it really didn't change /that/ much aside from all mfr's getting greedy since covid. 2010's "smart" TVs didn't exist and the "smart" features were only on more expensive sets, as well as being more useless than today.
I paid for the hardware. But it's a "license to use" argument is the same bull that the pro-copyright NES crowd uses... sheesh

Paul_Deemer said:
Not seeing any of the lag with shutter you talking about. With or without the flash and 4k 60fps video recording works fine too even in the dark. As for the Ram+ I got mine set at 8gb and I can open and run 12 apps without any problem whatsoever. Never had any problems with T-Mobile signal. Maybe you should try a fresh install? I havent really had any issues since day one other than battery life sucks. I didn't do a fresh install either. I just used Samsung Smartwatch to setup the phone exactly like my S20U which I traded for the Unlocked 512gb using a prepaid T-Mobile plan so no T-mobile software or bloat on here.
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Something is wrong if you're getting bad battery life. It's because you didn't do a fresh install, try factory resetting and it'll be way better.
S22 Ultra 5G US AT&T locked Snapdragon 512gb AVC8 flashed U1 firmware

Kris_b1104 said:
Something is wrong if you're getting bad battery life. It's because you didn't do a fresh install, try factory resetting and it'll be way better.
S22 Ultra 5G US AT&T locked Snapdragon 512gb AVC8 flashed U1 firmware
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Factory reset guarantees nothing. Best to find the root cause to avoid a recurrence. Since each load is unique to the user, unique issues can and do evolve.
Use factory reset for: major upgrades, if you used SmartSwitch (don't make the same mistake twice), malware or if a buggy 3rd party app that altered hidden user settings you can't undo.

blackhawk said:
Factory reset guarantees nothing. Best to find the root cause to avoid a recurrence. Since each load is unique to the user, unique issues can and do evolve.
Use factory reset for: major upgrades, if you used SmartSwitch (don't make the same mistake twice), malware or if a buggy 3rd party app that altered hidden user settings you can't undo.
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It's a last resort but if has to be done then that's what you gotta do. It's the endgame. If it don't work after that your screwed.

Paul_Deemer said:
It's a last resort but if has to be done then that's what you gotta do. It's the endgame. If it don't work after that your screwed.
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If you inadvertently add the app(s) or setting(s) that caused it, you just shot yourself in the foot, again.
Never use SmartSwitch if the first load went bad using it, do a clean load instead.
Tracking down the cause can be time consuming but it's a lesson learned and time saved in the future; a reload is very time consuming. I reserve it for primarily boot loops and persistent malware.
My current load has been saved from a factory reset a couple of times, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. It will be 2 yo this June.
Some those fixes seemed impossible at first but all were done within the confines of a stock Android without using adb edits, etc.

blackhawk said:
If you inadvertently add the app(s) or setting(s) that caused it, you just shot yourself in the foot, again.
Never use SmartSwitch if the first load went bad using it, do a clean load instead.
Tracking down the cause can be time consuming but it's a lesson learned and time saved in the future; a reload is very time consuming. I reserve it for primarily boot loops and persistent malware.
My current load has been saved from a factory reset a couple of times, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. It will be 2 yo this June.
Some those fixes seemed impossible at first but all were done within the confines of a stock Android without using adb edits, etc.
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Well I haven't had a single issue with mine even using smart switch but others heve. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones.

Paul_Deemer said:
Well I haven't had a single issue with mine even using smart switch but others heve. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones.
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That's a good thing
It's completely unpredictable. I've used SmartSwitch without issues. I don't trust it at all though... I remember Kies
It may have screwed up the load on my newest N10+, still troubleshooting it. It developed a... lag No big deal.
Almost all issues can be resolved by simply "playing" with it, Adroids wuv attention.