Hi
I am on OOS 10.0.11.GM21BA with Magisk and TWRP and I want to update to Android 11 11.0.3.1.GM21BA.
However, I saw that there are mentions of stuck devices after updating and the need for patched boot.img and what not.
Until now I used following method to update:
Disable Magisk Modules
Download newest TWRP to SD
Download Full OTA from OP servers to SD
Flash OTA via local update in system settings
Flash A/B retention script with Magisk
Install Magisk to inactive slot
Reboot
Is this method still a valid way of updating? Do I need some extra steps for the update to Android 11?
I would wait... major reported issues even on Pixel phones.
If your current OS is fast, stable and fulfilling it's mission, let it be.
You have nothing to gain.
Running on Android 11 the OnePlus ranks second to Samsung in having severe aggressive background app killing issues. The full implementation of scoped storage in R will devour cpu cycles like a kid eats candy.
The endless popups asking permission to do everything will give you a new pastime.
I can likely coexist with Q... but R is for reject.
Thanks for the informations @blackhawk !
I was actually hoping that I had waited long enough by now for the initial issues to be gone. I actually want to update because of security patches in the first place, which we can't get on Q anymore, at least with stock OOS.
Also, I have multiple friends that updated (just stock phones) and didn't have any major problems, in regards to background killing of apps too, which I would definitely go crazy over if I had to experience that again.
Do you have any further insight to the update process posted?
Nightmare[ITA] said:
Thanks for the informations @blackhawk !
I was actually hoping that I had waited long enough by now for the initial issues to be gone. I actually want to update because of security patches in the first place, which we can't get on Q anymore, at least with stock OOS.
Also, I have multiple friends that updated (just stock phones) and didn't have any major problems, in regards to background killing of apps too, which I would definitely go crazy over if I had to experience that again.
Do you have any further insight to the update process posted?
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Can't help you on the update process.
I don't think R will ever be fixed. So much so that I bought another N10+ because both Google Android and Samsung have been dropping the ball so badly I'm stepping back for 2-3 years.
The fact that the N10+ is still a good viable choice today shows how poorly Samsung has done particularly in 2021.
I wouldn't even think twice about not getting security updates. Unless you do something stupid*, malware simply isn't an issue on Android 9 and up. Q has all of the worst vulnerabilities patched anyway. Don't buy into the Gookill security hype.
Been running unpatched Pie N10+ for close to 2 years with over a year on the current load. No malware forced reloads ever, and no malware in over a year. Redundantly backup all critical data and be ready to reload if needed. Really a reload be less trouble than trying to implement R.
Watch what you download, keep email in the cloud, watch over the download folder for anomalies and you'll be fine.
*no saving dumb bunnies...
blackhawk said:
Can't help you on the update process.
I don't think R will ever be fixed. So much so that I bought another N10+ because both Google Android and Samsung have been dropping the ball so badly I'm stepping back for 2-3 years.
The fact that the N10+ is still a good viable choice today shows how poorly Samsung has done particularly in 2021.
I wouldn't even think twice about not getting security updates. Unless you do something stupid*, malware simply isn't an issue on Android 9 and up. Q has all of the worst vulnerabilities patched anyway. Don't buy into the Gookill security hype.
Been running unpatched Pie N10+ for close to 2 years with over a year on the current load. No malware forced reloads ever, and no malware in over a year. Redundantly backup all critical data and be ready to reload if needed. Really a reload be less trouble than trying to implement R.
Watch what you download, keep email in the cloud, watch over the download folder for anomalies and you'll be fine.
*no saving dumb bunnies...
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Sorry for the delayed response, it was actually not because I updated haha.
Well I can't really say much about R, since i haven't had personal day to day experience, and that's where the little things play a key role which can ruin your experience.
When it comes to the security part, I must say we have a different view on that topic. Unfortunately, you don't always have to be the reason for getting pwned, as there are vulnerability that are out of your ability to do something against it unless the system itself gets patched. The amount of those grows considerable faster once it's not updated anymore as the researchers know that there won't be any patch comming against it. Many of the vulnerability get searched on those system on purpose, especially if a big part of the users are still on that OS version. It becomes more lucrative for them then searching vulnerabilities on R and seeing it getting patched 4 weeks later.
Take RackTooth (which we currently don't know how it really works and how it can be fixed) for example, you are basically screwed once it gets out in the wild, if your device it not supported by the manufacturer anymore. That's also a reason why customs ROM are still so important and the manufacturer giving us the ability to unlock out bootloaders so we can continue to safely use our devices once they don't want to support it anymore.
I will probably be switching to Samsung too after my current device as I don't like where OnePlus is headed, especially with the Oppo codebase merge and them giving up on devices so fast.
It's been 2 years and they still haven't fixed the f*cking call on speaker mic problem, nor the audio quality when making a call with Galaxy Buds+! It is really ridiculous. Kinda regret making 10 people in my surroundings get OnePlus phones....
It feels like Samsung is the only real option left, which is sad to see.
Nightmare[ITA] said:
Sorry for the delayed response, it was actually not because I updated haha.
Well I can't really say much about R, since i haven't had personal day to day experience, and that's where the little things play a key role which can ruin your experience.
When it comes to the security part, I must say we have a different view on that topic. Unfortunately, you don't always have to be the reason for getting pwned, as there are vulnerability that are out of your ability to do something against it unless the system itself gets patched. The amount of those grows considerable faster once it's not updated anymore as the researchers know that there won't be any patch comming against it. Many of the vulnerability get searched on those system on purpose, especially if a big part of the users are still on that OS version. It becomes more lucrative for them then searching vulnerabilities on R and seeing it getting patched 4 weeks later.
Take RackTooth (which we currently don't know how it really works and how it can be fixed) for example, you are basically screwed once it gets out in the wild, if your device it not supported by the manufacturer anymore. That's also a reason why customs ROM are still so important and the manufacturer giving us the ability to unlock out bootloaders so we can continue to safely use our devices once they don't want to support it anymore.
I will probably be switching to Samsung too after my current device as I don't like where OnePlus is headed, especially with the Oppo codebase merge and them giving up on devices so fast.
It's been 2 years and they still haven't fixed the f*cking call on speaker mic problem, nor the audio quality when making a call with Galaxy Buds+! It is really ridiculous. Kinda regret making 10 people in my surroundings get OnePlus phones....
It feels like Samsung is the only real option left, which is sad to see.
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There are security vulnerabilities, simply be aware of them and do what you to mitigate them.
After over a year of zero updates though I know the actual threat level is low. Updates are far more likely to cripple the phone than malware.
Most victims pawn themselves, one way or another. The other common inept screw up of those infected is failure to promptly address abnormal behaviors.
Malware needs to be resolved immediately and the phone shutdown until it is. Trojan preloaders count on a person's lack of wherewithal and failure to act promptly. If I got nailed now, at the worst I be reloaded and 99% fully operational in about 2 hours. 6 if I lost the SD card data.
So what? My data, security, everything is redundant, replaceable, resetable.
Right now unless you go with a older Samsung still running on 10 or 9, there aren't many good options. 2022 is looking bleak as well. This is one reason why I got another 10+. In my opinion it's the zenith of Samsung Note flagships and of Android OS. I'm a pragmatist, I go with what works best. The hype rolls right off like water from a duck.
We are in living a pond of hyperbole
blackhawk said:
There are security vulnerabilities, simply be aware of them and do what you to mitigate them.
After over a year of zero updates though I know the actual threat level is low. Updates are far more likely to cripple the phone than malware.
Most victims pawn themselves, one way or another. The other common inept screw up of those infected is failure to promptly address abnormal behaviors.
Malware needs to be resolved immediately and the phone shutdown until it is. Trojan preloaders count on a person's lack of wherewithal and failure to act promptly. If I got nailed now, at the worst I be reloaded and 99% fully operational in about 2 hours. 6 if I lost the SD card data.
So what? My data, security, everything is redundant, replaceable, resetable.
Right now unless you go with a older Samsung still running on 10 or 9, there aren't many good options. 2022 is looking bleak as well. This is one reason why I got another 10+. In my opinion it's the zenith of Samsung Note flagships and of Android OS. I'm a pragmatist, I go with what works best. The hype rolls right off like water from a duck.
We are in living a pond of hyperbole
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The Pixel 6 / Pro is looking better every day. For once they didn't use specs from 2 years prior.
Nightmare[ITA] said:
The Pixel 6 / Pro is looking better every day. For once they didn't use specs from 2 years prior.
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No SD card slot which makes it useless to me.
It also lacks the intense customization stock Samsung's have by way of the Galaxy store.
Samsung's also have builtin workarounds for the lame swipe gesture navigation; Samsung's can easily be set to have screen navigation buttons.
Word of caution, the Samsung interface on Android 11 variant is reportedly a mess.
The spen is a feature I appreciate more the longer I own* the 10+. It's remote bt control and Smart Capture are extremely useful to me. Otherwise when not needed it neatly nests out of sight.
For power users the Note series is still the weapon of choice in many ways.
*lol, I'm still exploring the features in my original 10+ Pie variant. There are many. I play around with it. Even more on the Q variant and new UI features too, I haven't even played with those yet
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Hi,
I'm facing a dilemma about Debloating Android vs its benefits like security and time spent on it, my OCD and need your opinion on this.
The very first thing I do when I get a new Android Smartphone or Tablet device, I will debloat them but the insane amount of time it takes me to do it, I don't have anymore because of adult life taking over. When I debloat Android device, I can spend hours upon hours if not days doing it by making a full dump off all the packages installed then inspecting every single one, doing research on them and coming to conclusion if such package is needed or suspicious. I repeat the whole process again when such device gets a major update to the next version of Android, for example, from Android 9 to Android 10.
That behaviour which I would say is my OCD at the moment, obviously is taking insane amount of time to get rid of all the crap and telemetry that have been placed on such device and I'm starting to question if it's even worth it anymore. It sometimes sounds like too much trouble and time is taken from doing it and having a little benefit from it. The main reason for my OCD with debloating is due to the fact that Android devices are Open Source and during manufacturing process it can be infected with Malware so obviously I want to make sure that there are no offending apps on the device that can harm my privacy and data.
The other question is, are there any benefits by performing a debloat ? I know it can speed up the device a little, improve battery life and make more resources available like RAM or Processing Power so that it can be used for the tasks I need to perform on the device rather than wasting it on a crap that is not needed in the background. Also, are there any benefits when it comes to Security ? I know that some Android devices are already coming infected with Malware straight from the factory (Can't post links till I reach 10 posts so I can't link the research ...) This is mostly because of how Android ecosystem works and that the development of software is mostly outsourced to different companies for example in India to reduce the costs of the device.
P.S Currently I have untouched Nokia which have some TWRP and Unofficial LineageOS available, I will try and see if I can unlock the bootloader and flash a custom ROM, if not, I will need to think if I should go through with debloating it as I don't have much time anymore. I want to finally start using it but I have that dilemma about the whole debloating thing and decided to check with you guys what you think about it.
Hello all. I'm in need of help. I recently tried to update my phone to the May update. It says failed update. Error Code:410. I contacted Verizon Wireless 1st. They couldn't fix it. They connected me to Samsung and they told me it was a carrier issue. any ideas on how to fix it.
if you did a phone call when speaking to Samsung, one other way you can try to get help is reporting an issue on Samsung Members app. The app will pull device logs and determine if some function has failed. The key point is to report soon after seeing the issue, so try to reproduce the error and then submit the error using the app.
Really if your Note is running fast, stable and fulfilling it's mission I would leave it's firmware alone. General and security updates are overrated. An update can easily break it or leave you with a lot less then you had.
Android 11 is Android in a no way out high G flat spin; load it and cry a river of tears.
Even outdated Androids systems rarely get nailed by serious malware unless you do something stupid. My stock AT&T Note 10+ is still running Pie on a load that's a year old. Zero issues. I disabled updates almost a year and a half ago because I knew Q would screw it up.
Sometimes updates really screw up the phone locking it down to make future rooting or downgrading impossible.
In reality a rootkit would cause less trouble; it takes me about 2 hours to do a factory reset and bring the phone back to 99% full functionality as long as the SD card data is intact.
Retaining firmware you like to use is more important than any update unless it enhances your user experience. New OSs keep you off balance with a constant learning curve, forcing you to find new solutions and work arounds.
For what? I would waste far more time migrating to Q then a 2 hour reload would cost me. Worse I loss critical functionality.
At least wait a month or more to see if the update blew up other people's phone
Having no control over OTA downloads is dangerous and can lead to a bad flash or trashware you will hate. Fixing it is time consuming and in some cases impossible; disable auto updates.
Use your SD card as a data drive, only the OS, apps, and download folder goes on the internal memory. Keep everything you need for a reload including copies of your apps on the SD card as well your database of music, vids, pics etc.
Back the SD card up redundantly to at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other. Done
We all know there's no custom rom support for iqoo 7. Should I still buy this phone for long term use?
Lala🇧🇩 said:
We all know there's no custom rom support for iqoo 7. Should I still buy this phone for long term use?
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Going by iQOO track record do not expect any development or custom roms in future. It would be good for 2 years then you'll have update to new phone. Do not expect any development. Like LOS, Even simple bootloader unlock and root will not be possible.
This is actually true for almost all Android phones these days. I want able to use my S9+ Street 2 years because it's battery decayed pretty fast. My wife's phone's displayed died. She had the S9 and we bought both phones together.
Updated and custom ROMs aren't that great these days because of plethora of phones and great devs of this forum also can't keep up with whether to fix issues with current build or to push next update build.
I used to own an HTC Wildfire S and its devs were pretty mind blowing. It used to have great ROMs which were much faster than stock. But these days stock ROMs are also good enough if you disable some bloatware and irrelevant system apps.
I have disabled some system apps using adb and am not facing any kind of adware notifications and the phone is smooth as ever.
I never even tried to root my S9+ also since I never found any good reason to lose Knox and DRM capabilities just for a little bit faster but still bugged ROM since I had the Exynos version.
With stock I prefer the peace of mind.
I've shared all my thoughts with you on this, now choice is yours.
Quite right. And will there be something significant better then screen 120hz, 12gb ufs 3.1, incredible fast charging, 120 watt 18 minutes fully charged, exceptional good battery management, at least 36hrs with full use of phones possibilities. Processor SD 888, good for the next 4 years I think.
With the increasing complexity of hardware, various chips (additional display chip in Iqoo 7), multiple cameras, etc. it will be difficult for custom rom devs to keep up with future of android. We will have to learn to live with Stock ROMs.
I suggest to keep full backup of each stock ROM before upgrade so that you have option to roll back incase you dont like performance/features of upgraded ROM.
Every android phone will have a life span of 2 years then it will slow down with software updates. My suggestion is to update your phone only if your device has some serious bugs and the update will fix it or ignore the annoying update pop-ups. Your device will last longer. This is from my personal experience
It's also important to protect the device from external fall damages I recommend using good quality protective gears from good brands or if you drop your phone and get it fixed it will be never good as a new one. I use a screen and body protector from {Mod edit: Please no commercial advertisement}.
The device's heating issue is a major concern. if a gaming phone gets toasted frequently it won't last longer
Gad0 said:
Every android phone will have a life span of 2 years then it will slow down with software updates. My suggestion is to update your phone only if your device has some serious bugs and the update will fix it or ignore the annoying update pop-ups. Your device will last longer. This is from my personal experience
It's also important to protect the device from external fall damages I recommend using good quality protective gears from good brands or if you drop your phone and get it fixed it will be never good as a new one. I use a screen and body protector from {Mod edit: Please no commercial advertisement}.
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I agree but I change my device every 6 to 8 month so no worries and I get try new features comes with an update
Lala🇧🇩 said:
We all know there's no custom rom support for iqoo 7. Should I still buy this phone for long term use?
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Always have an external storage or Hardisk to save your files or if you loose your device you might miss a lot of data. I always back my data and keep my device free
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
Try clearing the system cache.
All Samsung's need to be optimized and I'm not talking about enabling power management. It tends to do the opposite and will likely cause erratic behavior.
What's going on with the ram?
Wonder if scoped storage is helping to screw it up? It uses extra cpu cycles not sure if it impacts ram usage though. I deliberately avoided Android 11 and 12 because of it... no regrets.
blackhawk said:
Try clearing the system cache.
All Samsung's need to be optimized and I'm not talking about enabling power management. It tends to do the opposite and will likely cause erratic behavior.
What's going on with the ram?
Wonder if scoped storage is helping to screw it up? It uses extra cpu cycles not sure if it impacts ram usage though. I deliberately avoided Android 11 and 12 because of it... no regrets.
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Just seems like only 4 apps at a time can stay in memory anything after that is reloaded.
joemossjr said:
Just seems like only 4 apps at a time can stay in memory anything after that is reloaded.
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Can you change that in Developer options?
Standard limit... or did they change the "standard"?
Lol, I close out apps constantly especially Brave browser which always runs in the background otherwise.
joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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Exynos i think?
joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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I think people need to accept that Android is essentially malware and was designed by a company to continuously extract as much information on you as possible behind the scenes. I would estimate at least 90% of all Android apps participate in this game to gain your info for profit. People wonder why phones are sluggish with all this activity happening in the background. This is the cost for all of us users to get an OS and application environment for free.
So the fact that each of us needs to fine tune, debloat, optimize, etc on any new phone to reign in the OS and apps to get acceptable performance is not something new. It really is a journey to research and get any phone working smoothly as each one of us has different use cases.
PS - my new S22 Ultra (SD/T-Mobile) is fast as lightning and I'm very happy with it.
This has been the worst new phone transition I've ever had. From trying to order to Samsung stretching the truth about the specs, to configuring every app from scratch. To multiple Factory Resets just to solve something buggy. To Google apps not performing the same.
I expected the major debloat and privacy settings. I did not expect T-Mo to install Facebook 4 times nor that it would take 6 phone calls to unlock a phone I paid for fully.
I am happy with the performance, screen, and the camera is beyond words. Hoping I am about done configuring and side loading. adb is your friend.
So far, the S22 Ultra feels like the Note20 Ultra with faster data speeds, better battery life, and slightly better camera. There is nothing earth shattering but overall seems a bit better. My only complaints are the weaker vibrate motor and lack of microSD card support.
I had a chance to test the S21 Ultra against the S22 Ultra and found the S21 Ultra to have slightly better speakers, stronger vibration motor, slightly better battery life and it's nice that it comes with up to 16 GB RAM. It's easier to hold as well, but the screen aspect ratio is less practical in many cases. It also gets warmer than the S22 Ultra.
For everything that improves with these iterative upgrades, there are a few steps back. If you're happy with your Note20 Ultra or S21 Ultra, I'd say there's no rush to upgrade unless you get an amazing deal.
joemossjr said:
Sooo. I have had this phone from T-Mobile for the past few weeks and have a few hot takes on it.
For starters I wanted to return it almost 2 days in after figuring out about the performance this device had. But was promised an update and 2 weeks later it was delivered.
So these hot takes are going to be after the update.
1. So far almost no stutter I've found has been fixed. Home stutter, app stutter all still here.
2. WE SHOULD HAVE TO OPTIMIZE SH*T ON A 1300 DEVICE. The fact that some answers you get here are "did you follow the optimaztion guide?" I shouldn't have to touch anything! Do you think the average consumer is gonna go through the hoops of 3 factory resets, a firmware flash, and praying to whatever God to get sub par performance?
3. The camera lag is rediculous.
I went to AEW (wrestling show) and couldn't even pull my camera up up fast enough to get any good shots!. And not to mention the shutter lag waiting for the image to capture! Also 4k60 recording in a timely manner? Laughable. I have never had this many issues with a Samsung device in the first few weeks as I've had with this one.
4. Signal drops consistently. (Doesn't really bother me because I use wifi calling)
5. Battery has gotten better since the update so no issues there.
6. Snapchat lag in camera ui.
7. Ram management is a joke. Even with ram plus.
8. Display is beautiful but dims to high heaven in gaming.
9. Abysmal update times compared to exynos.
10. Zoom is awesome.
I'm sure there are more but geesh.
Adding a photo for AEW fans lol
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Not seeing any of the lag with shutter you talking about. With or without the flash and 4k 60fps video recording works fine too even in the dark. As for the Ram+ I got mine set at 8gb and I can open and run 12 apps without any problem whatsoever. Never had any problems with T-Mobile signal. Maybe you should try a fresh install? I havent really had any issues since day one other than battery life sucks. I didn't do a fresh install either. I just used Samsung Smartwatch to setup the phone exactly like my S20U which I traded for the Unlocked 512gb using a prepaid T-Mobile plan so no T-mobile software or bloat on here.
Rubby1025 said:
I think people need to accept that Android is essentially malware and was designed by a company to continuously extract as much information on you as possible behind the scenes. I would estimate at least 90% of all Android apps participate in this game to gain your info for profit. People wonder why phones are sluggish with all this activity happening in the background. This is the cost for all of us users to get an OS and application environment for free.
So the fact that each of us needs to fine tune, debloat, optimize, etc on any new phone to reign in the OS and apps to get acceptable performance is not something new. It really is a journey to research and get any phone working smoothly as each one of us has different use cases.
PS - my new S22 Ultra (SD/T-Mobile) is fast as lightning and I'm very happy with it.
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Sorry. No. This ain't it cheif. People make the same argument for TVs (that if they were to make "dummy" TVs without Android it would be a $5K set... um $5K TVs exist and still have the spyware). The gaslighting by manufacturers is real.
Also 2~5K sets then did indeed exist, and for the sake of argument I'm not gonna talk inflation cause it really didn't change /that/ much aside from all mfr's getting greedy since covid. 2010's "smart" TVs didn't exist and the "smart" features were only on more expensive sets, as well as being more useless than today.
I paid for the hardware. But it's a "license to use" argument is the same bull that the pro-copyright NES crowd uses... sheesh
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Not seeing any of the lag with shutter you talking about. With or without the flash and 4k 60fps video recording works fine too even in the dark. As for the Ram+ I got mine set at 8gb and I can open and run 12 apps without any problem whatsoever. Never had any problems with T-Mobile signal. Maybe you should try a fresh install? I havent really had any issues since day one other than battery life sucks. I didn't do a fresh install either. I just used Samsung Smartwatch to setup the phone exactly like my S20U which I traded for the Unlocked 512gb using a prepaid T-Mobile plan so no T-mobile software or bloat on here.
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Something is wrong if you're getting bad battery life. It's because you didn't do a fresh install, try factory resetting and it'll be way better.
S22 Ultra 5G US AT&T locked Snapdragon 512gb AVC8 flashed U1 firmware
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Something is wrong if you're getting bad battery life. It's because you didn't do a fresh install, try factory resetting and it'll be way better.
S22 Ultra 5G US AT&T locked Snapdragon 512gb AVC8 flashed U1 firmware
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Factory reset guarantees nothing. Best to find the root cause to avoid a recurrence. Since each load is unique to the user, unique issues can and do evolve.
Use factory reset for: major upgrades, if you used SmartSwitch (don't make the same mistake twice), malware or if a buggy 3rd party app that altered hidden user settings you can't undo.
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Factory reset guarantees nothing. Best to find the root cause to avoid a recurrence. Since each load is unique to the user, unique issues can and do evolve.
Use factory reset for: major upgrades, if you used SmartSwitch (don't make the same mistake twice), malware or if a buggy 3rd party app that altered hidden user settings you can't undo.
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It's a last resort but if has to be done then that's what you gotta do. It's the endgame. If it don't work after that your screwed.
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It's a last resort but if has to be done then that's what you gotta do. It's the endgame. If it don't work after that your screwed.
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If you inadvertently add the app(s) or setting(s) that caused it, you just shot yourself in the foot, again.
Never use SmartSwitch if the first load went bad using it, do a clean load instead.
Tracking down the cause can be time consuming but it's a lesson learned and time saved in the future; a reload is very time consuming. I reserve it for primarily boot loops and persistent malware.
My current load has been saved from a factory reset a couple of times, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. It will be 2 yo this June.
Some those fixes seemed impossible at first but all were done within the confines of a stock Android without using adb edits, etc.
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If you inadvertently add the app(s) or setting(s) that caused it, you just shot yourself in the foot, again.
Never use SmartSwitch if the first load went bad using it, do a clean load instead.
Tracking down the cause can be time consuming but it's a lesson learned and time saved in the future; a reload is very time consuming. I reserve it for primarily boot loops and persistent malware.
My current load has been saved from a factory reset a couple of times, still fast, stable and fulfilling its mission. It will be 2 yo this June.
Some those fixes seemed impossible at first but all were done within the confines of a stock Android without using adb edits, etc.
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Well I haven't had a single issue with mine even using smart switch but others heve. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones.
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Well I haven't had a single issue with mine even using smart switch but others heve. Guess I am just one of the lucky ones.
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That's a good thing
It's completely unpredictable. I've used SmartSwitch without issues. I don't trust it at all though... I remember Kies
It may have screwed up the load on my newest N10+, still troubleshooting it. It developed a... lag No big deal.
Almost all issues can be resolved by simply "playing" with it, Adroids wuv attention.
Hi guys.
It's been approximately 6 years since i bought this old beast. this is the first phone in my life that didn't torture me with freezes or lags after using it for some time thanks to its powerful hardware.
but now this beast is not agile like how it used to be, sometimes it freezes and does things with too much latency, as far as i remember, there were about 2 or 3 times that my phone froze too hard that i needed to do force shut down and almost all of them happened not more than 2 years ago. when i bought my PC 2 years ago, i started flashing different custom and official roms so many times now my phone runs LineageOS 18.1 currently.
I'm curious to know what caused my phone to slow down.
since i flash my phone sometimes and do full wipe each time before doing it, i think the problem is not software-related.
I've did some searches in google and found out that it can't be the CPU and it seems true because sometimes i'm playing some music while browsing in chrome and switching between apps, the phone lags even freezes but the music keeps playing without any stutter. I've read that memory chips can get worn over time so i'm guessing the problem is caused by one or both of these two:
1.eMMC chip
2.RAM chip
what is your comment? are these two the source of the problem? can the eMMC chip get replaced in this phone?
Have you updated or upgraded it, you know the destroyer of worlds stuff?
Phones don't slow down for no reason.
If nothing else changed and it's running atypically after a factory reset, the firmware may have been corrupted, reflash same version.
Pre Pie OS's are suspectable to that nasty class of rootkits that can worm out of the user partition. Again reflash it.
Battery, when was it last replaced? If the battery can't sink peak current demands it will cause all manner of trouble. Replace every 1 to 2 years on a heavily used device, routine maintenance.
It's possible there's been a subtle hardware failure maybe the ram or a microscopic transistor or two in the chipset. Cracked solder joint; BGA chipsets are especially vulnerable to this. A ribbon connector connection is intermittent.
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Hi guys.
It's been approximately 6 years since i bought this old beast. this is the first phone in my life that didn't torture me with freezes or lags after using it for some time thanks to its powerful hardware.
but now this beast is not agile like how it used to be, sometimes it freezes and does things with too much latency, as far as i remember, there were about 2 or 3 times that my phone froze too hard that i needed to do force shut down and almost all of them happened not more than 2 years ago. when i bought my PC 2 years ago, i started flashing different custom and official roms so many times now my phone runs LineageOS 18.1 currently.
I'm curious to know what caused my phone to slow down.
since i flash my phone sometimes and do full wipe each time before doing it, i think the problem is not software-related.
I've did some searches in google and found out that it can't be the CPU and it seems true because sometimes i'm playing some music while browsing in chrome and switching between apps, the phone lags even freezes but the music keeps playing without any stutter. I've read that memory chips can get worn over time so i'm guessing the problem is caused by one or both of these two:
1.eMMC chip
2.RAM chip
what is your comment? are these two the source of the problem? can the eMMC chip get replaced in this phone?
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You should be able to look at the memory each app is using. Chrome is known for being a memory hog. Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
RF Junkey said:
You should be able to look at the memory each app is using. Chrome is known for being a memory hog. Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
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True, limited running apps. Some new phones are shipping now with 6 or 8gb of ram; not enough. 12 or16gb be better.
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Thank you guys for your answers
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you know the destroyer of worlds stuff?
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Haven't understood this, do you mean the bad policies from companies such as slowing down their phones by updates to force users to buy their new phones?
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Battery, when was it last replaced?
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sometime between 1 and 2 years ago. i don't see any problem that relates to battery like random reboots etc. but could they affect performance without random reboots or boot problems?
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It's possible there's been a subtle hardware failure maybe the ram or a microscopic transistor or two in the chipset. Cracked solder joint; BGA chipsets are especially vulnerable to this. A ribbon connector connection is intermittent.
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well, last time i remember i dropped the phone was about 2 years ago. one of the annoying problems of my phone is it's front and back panels start getting detached, i got used to it, there is much dust inside the phone, the camera quality has been reduced because of it.
this phone played a gaming PC's role when i didn't have a PC (sometimes i held my phone in front of my fan to stop CPU throttling because of heat).
i too think there might be possible failures.
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Your phone has 3 GB of Ram. Back 6 years ago that would be OK, today 6GB is even on the low side.
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You're right, but i've experienced problems which were caused by low RAMs. the apps crash when there is no space available in RAM, i had this problem with all other phones. but in this phone i haven't seen such problem(because of RAM) so far even once!
Rule #1, if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be.
Upgrades, destroyer of worlds
Pre Android 9 have some very serious rootkit vulnerabilities. Android 9 is fairly secure and best left be especially on an older phone.
On my N10+'s I don't do upgrades or updates. Running on Android 9 and 10.
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Rule #1, if a OS is fast, stable and fulfilling its mission, let it be.
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Sometimes i think about it, Android 6 is not that old. apps still support it. but i don't know why the hell i'm attracted to custom ROMs i can't stop thinking about them...
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hahaha got it. yeah i saw so many bad things by newer Androids. Most important of all of them are ridiculous restrictions.
one of the many reasons i believe in Android and HATE IOS is the freedom of Android but Google is screwing up so bad, making Android as disgusting as IOS.
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Sometimes i think about it, Android 6 is not that old. apps still support it. but i don't know why the hell i'm attracted to custom ROMs i can't stop thinking about them...
hahaha got it. yeah i saw so many bad things by newer Androids. Most important of all of them are ridiculous restrictions.
one of the many reasons i believe in Android and HATE IOS is the freedom of Android but Google is screwing up so bad, making Android as disgusting as IOS.
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Pre Android 9 OS are suspectable to those nasty rootkits that can worm out of the user partition.
A reflash maybe needed to purge it. Security though is largely controlled by the user; no saving dumb bunnies... not even Android 12.
I went from Kitkat to Pie, yeah a little future shock there
Pie runs very well but that's on a N10+ with 12gb of ram. Nominally it uses 5-5.7gb of ram, so on an phone with less ram than that it may impact performance.
Pie has some annoying data app limitations but is reasonably secure, fast, stable and no scoped storage.
I have a second N10+ that's running on Android 10 (it shipped like that) Scoped storage appears to not be fully active. It has close to 100 new Samsung system apps to make it look and function like the Pie load. If that gives you an idea of how badly Google Android is boning developers. Otherwise it's stats are about the same as are appearance and functionality.
Old apps like the 6yo free version of WP Office will run fine in it. However Karma Firewall losses it's valuable logging feature in 10 That seems to be the worst of it.
Android 11 and especially 12 are hogs on the N10+. Scoped storage is fully active along with the endless "do you really want to" permissions.
Might as well have a bloody Apple as use 11 or 12. Functionality and usability take a nose dive along with battery life. Gookill strikes again...
Be warned.
As a result I will remain on Android 9 and 10.
Between Samsung's and Google Android's ball dropping fest I blew off the N20U, S21U and the latest S22U for another N10+, no regrets.
So yeah, you gotta do what works best for you.
I use whatever comes in handy