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Apple-Samsung Court Case

Looks like our beloved Charge was mentioned as a witness in this case:
http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/apple/apple-samsung-trial-verdict/
- rubber band patent
- 915 patent (scrolling with one finger)
- 163 patent (double tap to zoom and center content)
- iphone trade dress (Charge was not in violation of this)
what this could mean for the future for the Charge? who knows?
good side: perhaps a software update to the latest OS with valid patents
bad side: a software update reverting these violations
neutral: nothing....

Here's a interesting write up about some sketchiness among the jury and the decision. In this light, it seems almost certain that at appeal is coming, if not outright dismissals on at least some of the violations under a Rule 50(b). With this much alleged impropriety, they may even be able to get a stay on the decision.
I doubt Apple is overly concerned with a low sale volume device like the Charge in the grand scheme of things. I imagine that the most that might happen is stopping production.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390

Hmm. So is it really copying when they are two totally different programming languages that achieve similar results?
I hate this damn Samsung keyboard .... Maybe if i have some time i can catch up with you guys
Rooted FP5....

Antoneus1231 said:
Hmm. So is it really copying when they are two totally different programming languages that achieve similar results?
I hate this damn Samsung keyboard .... Maybe if i have some time i can catch up with you guys
Rooted FP5....
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You can install a keyboard without root...
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sales ban
Cnet is reporting that Apple is requesting a ban on sales of the Charge (amongst other phones) in the US.
With appeals and other legal manuvering I have no idea whether this will really happen, but I wonder what it means for customers that have these phones... What would happen if you need a replacement from VZ?

It would be great if they just make them stock android devices with 4.1.1 like the nexus S...The resale value would double lol.

i would not be surprised to see VZW offer us a deep discount on upgrading to another device. probably something like $100 off the 2-year contract price of another device even if you have time left on your current contract. which is really nothing new, but it could easily persuade most out of the charge...
but whatever it is, I want dwith to let me know where he is going first, and I'll follow.... (just don't say iphone....)

jco23 said:
but whatever it is, I want dwith to let me know where he is going first, and I'll follow.... (just don't say iphone....)
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Definitely. This is a great group I've found here. I don't want to just trade you guys in for the sake of some stupid phone. Unless he says iphone. Which would suck. I don't expect that to happen though.
Rooted FP5....

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This is what I think of apple.
Tweaked 2.2 PBJ and Transparent ICS 5.0 Beta

tmanschuette said:
This is what I think of apple.
Tweaked 2.2 PBJ and Transparent ICS 5.0 Beta
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Ditto. Except I wouldn't look as happy ingesting such a grotesque thing

Here's some info on the latest.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120827143911783
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120828085512779

tldr but I'd like to know a summary
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First article is showing how the only device that the judge felt confident in granting a sales injunction for was one of the few devices that didn't get any judgement against it. Literally, the only device the judge thought was a slam dunk got off clean, and others that she considered to be weak cases got slammed by the jury, which when taken with the earlier reports of procedural errors and bias points further toward an incompetent or biased jury. The second article compares this case to previous attempts by Oracle, SCO, and Microsoft attempting (and failing) to shut down other FOSS projects due to fear, and speculates (with good reasoning) that this could very well be a test case for patent reform that makes it all the way to SCOTUS.

This is just getting worse and worse. The jury foreman in an interview said that he determined that prior art didn't apply because "The software on the Apple side could not be placed into the processor on the prior art and vice versa. That means they are not interchangeable. That changed everything right there." Great logic, except that interchangeability isn't part of the definition of prior art. I can just be words on a piece of paper with no actual implementation whatsoever and still be prior art, yet he managed to convince the rest of the jury using that logic. Keep in mind that this is the same guy who has a patent and admitted that was thinking of this case in terms of defending his own patent.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120828225612963

Every time that guy opens his mouth, he strengthens Samsung's appeal and/or Rule 50(b) filing.

[NEWS] Cyanogenmod stopping with supporting Samsung devices!

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Sad news for Samsung Users Here!
Every new phone from samsung that is comming out now will get no longer support from Cyanogenmod mostly the devices with a Exynos chip designed by samsung. get no more support!
Samsung said on twitter that The are taking this case very seriously!
Why is Cyanogenmod stopping with support for samsung devices?
The following reasons:
- FM-radio will never work
- Exynos Chip
- On jelly bean (Vsync and tripple buffering) will never work because the graphical drivers do not support this!
But there is some good news All samsung devices that are Out now will get support from Cyanogenmod!
only the devices that are coming out now will get no Cyanogenmod!
SOURCE: http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84925/makers-cyanogenmod-willen-support-samsung-toestellen-stoppen.html
(The source is a Dutch site so you musta translate it to English!)

This is the problem when manufacturers stray too far away from the core Android ecosystem. Their product may be good but things stop working, people get annoyed. Eventually the sales will drop and customers will get the usual things.

raze599 said:
This is the problem when manufacturers stray too far away from the core Android ecosystem. Their product may be good but things stop working, people get annoyed. Eventually the sales will drop and customers will get the usual things.
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This is just the stupidest thing that samsung could do!

link?

SyXbiT said:
link?
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This is a dutch site so you must translate it!
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84925/makers-cyanogenmod-willen-support-samsung-toestellen-stoppen.html

safariking said:
This is a dutch site so you must translate it!
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/84925/makers-cyanogenmod-willen-support-samsung-toestellen-stoppen.html
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It doesn't mean that there point blank won't be any Exynos support, unfortunately 2 out of 3 main Samsung Cyanogen maintainers are not gonna support it anymore. The biggest issue is that unless Samsung improve / update their documentation, any new developer will have the same issues.
Originally Posted by Entropy512
Not likely to happen. If CM comes to the Note 2, it will only be if a new maintainer steps up.
Most of the current Exynos maintainer team (myself, espenfjo, codeworkx) and others have all decided that our current devices will be our last non-Nexus Exynos devices. I'm not sure about xplodwild, but I have a feeling he's highly unlikely to take up another Haxxinos with the rest of us gone and given his prior experiences with it.
If Samsung changes their attitude towards developers, this might change, but their attitude lately (zero documentation, zero platform source code, a trend towards bootloader locking - Only the Verizon S3 has a locked bootloader now, but Samsung has had the infrastructure in place since the S2 and they are constantly adding more checks) has led to the current Exynos maintainer team deciding that enough is enough. I don't think any of us are going to do anything to make Samsung's Exynos devices more attractive to any particular market segment until they provide assistance (in the form of technical documentation and source code) in return. I don't know about the others, but if they offer me a free device I'll say no - I refuse to participate in a PR stunt like the I9100 donations were.
Pretty much the only way I'll go back is if I see reference platform source that is up to the same standards as CAF and omapzoom, or they actually start providing real documentation and source code for the devices I'm currently working with.

too bad for samsung!!!!

zild8 said:
too bad for samsung!!!!
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Not really, in the short-term at least, we geek/hackers/devs etc are but a small slice of the market. I bet Google would not mind Samsung losing favor with dev community, more people on Nexus phones!

So sad because as ive read, 50% of android phones comes with samsung.

ErvinJohnEstrera said:
So sad because as ive read, 50% of android phones comes with samsung.
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Yes but then i will go over to htc

Turbotab said:
Not really, in the short-term at least, we geek/hackers/devs etc are but a small slice of the market. I bet Google would not mind Samsung losing favor with dev community, more people on Nexus phones!
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Hackers and devs will port than cm to the non supported devices but it will be a more difficulter job!

So how does this jive with the fact that Steve Kondik, founder of CyanogenMod, works for Samsung?

Sorensiim said:
So how does this jive with the fact that Steve Kondik, founder of CyanogenMod, works for Samsung[/URL]?
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Maybe that's why no more CM on future Samsung phones? Could be conflict of interest, or was asked to cease and desist or lose his job?

safariking said:
Yes but then i will go over to htc
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did it already, samsungs poltics sucks more and more i guess. and their devices getting bigger and more popular, that's maybe why they don't need us anymore; their devices are more and more for mass-market :x

merovig said:
did it already, samsungs poltics sucks more and more i guess. and their devices getting bigger and more popular, that's maybe why they don't need us anymore; their devices are more and more for mass-market :x
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Yes that's true but Samsung is so slow with their updates i had to wait 6 months for my ICS upgrade on my Galaxy Tab 8.9!

safariking said:
Yes that's true but Samsung is so slow with their updates i had to wait 6 months for my ICS upgrade on my Galaxy Tab 8.9!
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Slow? The Sprint Galaxy S2 has been getting ICS leaks since February... We have had 3 official ICS releases since then. JB builds are in the works now.
If anything, we may get our updates a few months after AOSP, but that's because of TouchWiz. Samsung support has been great in my opinion.
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Sorensiim said:
So how does this jive with the fact that Steve Kondik, founder of CyanogenMod, works for Samsung?
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Steve Kondik works for Samsung USA and according to the other thread works more closely with the Qualcomm chips. Samsung HQ in Korea are the ones responsible for not releasing the Exynos source code.

lowandbehold said:
Steve Kondik works for Samsung USA and according to the other thread works more closely with the Qualcomm chips. Samsung HQ in Korea are the ones responsible for not releasing the Exynos source code.
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The whole issue with Samsung HQ in Korea reminds me of both Sony and Toyota, who refused to listen to their foreign offices and ended suffering because of it. Sony lost their dominate position in the consumer tech business. Toyota spent $2.4 Billion trying to win a Formula 1 title, and didn't even win a bloody race!, Red Bull spent a fraction of that and have won 2 F1 titles, it safe to assume that Toyota doesn't lack engineering skill, but their Japanese HQ refused to relinquish control to the F1 experts running their race team, which meant everything became corporate and decision by committee and they lost the ability to react quickly / take risk.
The whole issue revolves around cultural differences between the Far East and the West, who are far more hierarchical and interested in being conservative and committee-led to avoid the loss of face (respect), this can bring benefits in terms of stability, but in fast moving economies having a dynamic risk taking leader, for example Steve Jobs can reap huge benefits, as you can execute far quicker and gain market dominance, btw I can't imagine Steve Jobs caring what people thought of him, the Toyota Executives cried in public because of the F1 disaster!.
The US economy has boomed because of this leadership style, even when its technology was no better or even worse than the Japanese for example, i.e GM vs Honda, of course the Credit Crunch, Enron and Wall Street greed / fraud are good examples of the negative aspects of Western business leadership
Anyway, Sammobile has a good article about the problem with Samsung's software updates.
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/10/15...ungs-smartphones-and-tablets-is-one-big-fail/
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safariking said:
Hackers and devs will port than cm to the non supported devices but it will be a more difficulter job!
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With incomplete / inaccurate documentation / driver blobs the end result will always be buggier and less feature packed than stock Samsung, e.g. Project Butter (HW Composer) doesn't work properly on GS3 Exynos Cyanogenmod because of the above issues, what is the point of Jelly Bean without lots of butter:laugh: The current sammy CM team are really good, I doubt anybody else could do better with the current restrictions.:crying:

Turbotab said:
The whole issue with Samsung HQ in Korea reminds me of both Sony and Toyota......
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^this guy knows what he's talking about... :thumbup::good:
When I read the first page, there was plenty of stuff that I wanted to point, but I guess he covered it all up...
"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"

a.cid said:
^this guy knows what he's talking about... :thumbup::good:
When I read the first page, there was plenty of stuff that I wanted to point, but I guess he covered it all up...
"By the power vested in me, I now pronounce you, Man and Knife"
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Samsung still has great phones and even the new ones we are able to hack it!
I know that for sure!

ICS taking so long...Maybe this will help you understand.

http://www.androidcentral.com/why-you-ll-never-have-latest-version-android

debido666 said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/why-you-ll-never-have-latest-version-android
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Another ics thread seriously man
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Another ics thread seriously man
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Guess I should relabel for Noobs.

While i agree with most of the article you shared with us , some reasons were insufficient.
In a carefully planned business , nothing is impossible.
For example , Google can force Open Handset Alliance to develop a Universal UI and whenever a new kernel comes aboard you just paste the universal ui into the new kernel. This is beneficial for everybody. Updates will take less long and customers will be happier. (Carriers will be pressured to speed things up)
Or Google can take the matter into its own hands by going to the hardware manufacturers and obtaining the necessary information for drivers thus saving the manufacturers from unnecessary work. Google gets more customers and Device Manufacturers get more money.
But what do i know ?
Google is a big corporation. Big corporations always have plans and their backups.
As far as i pretend to know , Google already has plans that are waiting to be put in motion after eliminating all the bugs.
Just you wait... IOS will be nothing more than ash and ruins in no time. Open-Source is the future and the way to go.

boltthrower56 said:
While i agree with most of the article you shared with us , some reasons were insufficient.
In a carefully planned business , nothing is impossible.
For example , Google can force Open Handset Alliance to develop a Universal UI and whenever a new kernel comes aboard you just paste the universal ui into the new kernel. This is beneficial for everybody. Updates will take less long and customers will be happier. (Carriers will be pressured to speed things up)
Or Google can take the matter into its own hands by going to the hardware manufacturers and obtaining the necessary information for drivers thus saving the manufacturers from unnecessary work. Google gets more customers and Device Manufacturers get more money.
But what do i know ?
Google is a big corporation. Big corporations always have plans and their backups.
As far as i pretend to know , Google already has plans that are waiting to be put in motion after eliminating all the bugs.
Just you wait... IOS will be nothing more than ash and ruins in no time. Open-Source is the future and the way to go.
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You're forgetting about the free market. Every phone has different components from different manufacturers from all around the world. Putting that kind of pressure on companies will only help the major brand names. You don't expect Windows 8 to install on the XP machine you got in 2001, do you? So why are we asking for the latest Android release for a phone we bought last summer? 18 months might not seem like a long time, but in terms of the technology and innovation that has come out within that time, 18 months is a long time.
Fragmentation is an issue, but its unrealistic to expect Google to force every company to keep up with their innovations.

Markyzz said:
You're forgetting about the free market. Every phone has different components from different manufacturers from all around the world. Putting that kind of pressure on companies will only help the major brand names. You don't expect Windows 8 to install on the XP machine you got in 2001, do you? So why are we asking for the latest Android release for a phone we bought last summer? 18 months might not seem like a long time, but in terms of the technology and innovation that has come out within that time, 18 months is a long time.
Fragmentation is an issue, but its unrealistic to expect Google to force every company to keep up with their innovations.
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Those were the solutions i came up within a minute or so. They'll have bugs of course.
Also , not necessarily "Google". There can be other solutions.
The thing i tried to explain was , it's not impossible or unrealistic as you seem to think so.
The expectations create competition. Someone's gonna do it , we switch to that brand. The other brand will lose sales and will soon follow in it's example.
Sympathy for corporations will get you nowhere as a consumer , as corporations already look out for themselves.
You should look out for yourself by pressuring corporations to provide better service however impossible or unrealistic that may be.
A wise man once said ; If you thank for the small one , you can't get the big one.

Exposure Of Samsung Galaxy S7 :Totally Alloy Frame Body,Three Types Version

"In the years of Jan. 2016,SAMSUNG will be take a Realase Conference to introduce a new model Galaxy S7" this news was release from the High technecial Channel.
According to the latest news,The flagship galaxy S7 will come with three version,the size of panel digizter will be 5.2inch、5.8inch and curved screen,the most improtance that the camera will be utilization with 20,000,000 pixels,will come with dual front camera?as for this theme, i suggest you to contact the official for a truth.but hear about a third -class media,it's said that samsung get a big truoble about the compatible issues bettwen USF2.0 and TFT extend cards.
However,as a proverb d said,love me love my dog.how many guys hates this brands,and there will be many guys fond of it.to our fans,the most exciting moments is coming,samsung will utilization three types CPU Processor in the three most improtant market,China and US will come with Qualcomm Snapdragon 820，EU、South Korea and Japan will come with Exynos 8890,the third party is India,which will come with Exynos 7422.Besides all above the previous,galaxy S7 will support ClearForce Touch,which will be more function and strongth than 3D Touch,like support Gallery Edit,Capital control,Symbol Selection etc.ClearForce Touch will utilization the double click methods,like the action of click the right mouse.when you paintting,it's support the thickness control of the pen touch.
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If you fond of the smartphones,i suggest visit http://www.devicespecifications.com

What a nice design
can't wait for it

Seems really interesting.
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stevenangkasa said:
What a nice design
can't wait for it
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yeah,it's might be release in few months later.

A0001?i had nerver hear about of this model.

A0001 is the model name for ONEPLUS ONE...LOL

Very interesting ... waiting egarly for it. I heard somr rumors that Samsung is going to launch it in Jan 2016 . 3 months before its usual launch. Is it true..

Can't wait
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yes,i had hear about the same news too.

getbizzin
It's appears that you are fond of Note series,why don't you consider about Note 5?

My question is are they going to bring back mSD support?
I really couldn't care less about having a uniframe or metal body if it sacrifices having a mSD slot available. Not to mention the availability to simply swap out a dead battery with a fresh fully charged one.
What's more frustrating is this isn't an issue that requires too difficult a fix to be reasonably implemented. Plenty of other devices have or had spring loaded dot release slots for sd cards as well as simple cards.
A mSD slot is no more vulnerable to issues than a micro usb is. They already ditched the water/weather proofing feature, so that isn't the reason.
Unfortunately, it would seem like they're struggling to find fresh design that host an advancement of the previous generation's features. Instead, we're regressing in utility and technical capabilities in the name of aesthetic appeal (?), I guess?
I, like 95% of the people of earth with a smartphone, keep a case for its protection at least about 90% of the time. The backing of the phone is squarely at the bottom of the list of things to look for in my future purchases.
Ya know what would be really cool? A phone that is glass on the front (screen) and back. Oh yeah, they did that and everyone ended up needing a fancy rubber band slapped around it to keep the antenna from doing its best impression of your old school bunny ears TV antenna, essentially worthless.
A "smart" device such as a mini computer we cutely refer to as a phone must bend form to its function. A car built on the premise of using square tires is going to be a disaster.
I'm not the only and hardly the 1st to voice their displeasure, but what's changed?
Something huge, actually. We're beginning to see an official policy change straight from the top with respect to mSD, or additional storage in general. Google themselves have seen the writing on the wall , and in a full turnabout, the latest dessert offerings from the Android mothership include a host of expanding features and core implementation dealing with greater cohesion of the OS's abilities and use of added storage.
I could go on, but the point being is that something has to give, and I don't think Samsung holds the high card. The largest phone manufacturer for android just dropped SD support in all their new flagship phones. Yet, Google is about to go big into unleashing the use and integration of external memory. Their previous view on the subject is clearly spelled out. All you need to know is that every Nexus phone - Google's self anointed phone for "pure" android, has NEVER had a model with the ability to add additional external storage.
Next year's Nexus will almost certainly be the first to include it.
Hence, I ask, what's the word on Samsung reintroducing mSD support, because I'm almost positive that Samsung will be the first to blink on this subject.

This device won't really impress me much UNLESS Knox is disabled by default. (Not just app I mean in the boatload) and its unlockable. Why doesn't Samsung see that NO ONE LIKES KNOX. (No one in this community anyway) its straight up a pain in the ass for developers. I really REALLY want this to be a good device, but I wait unimpressed BC the s6. There's my rant. -pronax on the nexus 6

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This device won't really impress me much UNLESS Knox is disabled by default. (Not just app I mean in the boatload) and its unlockable. Why doesn't Samsung see that NO ONE LIKES KNOX. (No one in this community anyway) its straight up a pain in the ass for developers. I really REALLY want this to be a good device, but I wait unimpressed BC the s6. There's my rant. -pronax on the nexus 6
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KNOX isn't aimed at this type of community, the app itself was originally designed for corporate use designed to protect data with a 1-click "job done" type of mechanism. The issue is that the idea was never really adopted among consumers, besides getting rid of KNOX isn't so hard. As long as a phone has cool mechanisms in which it makes it unique, you can't call it a bad device just because it has specific software pre-installed.

Seems a cool gadget... But seems weird to me as it's not long ago since the launch of s6 and s6+....! And if at all Samsung is planning something like this then it will be a big surprise!

True but the average person doesn't really need Knox. For big corporations, yes, I see how it can be useful I totally understand. I'm saying the bootloader should be unlockable. Maybe a switch in dev settings? I'm referring to the almost uncrackable bootloader and the knox counter not the app.

pronax said:
True but the average person doesn't really need Knox. For big corporations, yes, I see how it can be useful I totally understand. I'm saying the bootloader should be unlockable. Maybe a switch in dev settings? I'm referring to the almost uncrackable bootloader and the knox counter not the app.
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I think the idea is to make the phone secure. 99% of users don't care if it's easy to root or not. They care if their data is secure. They care whether the thief who steals their phone can access their personal or corporate information. The harder they make it for people to modify or break into the phone, the better their sales will be. They don't cater to us, they cater to the masses who buy their phones.

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I think the idea is to make the phone secure. 99% of users don't care if it's easy to root or not. They care if their data is secure. They care whether the thief who steals their phone can access their personal or corporate information. The harder they make it for people to modify or break into the phone, the better their sales will be. They don't cater to us, they cater to the masses who buy their phones.
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I don't think your getting my point. English is not my maiden language so excuse please for any spelling mistakes. But I am speaking of the warranty counter in the bootloader (Odin) mode. I do not think that should be there. Ah well you all seem to think I'm off base here. So I will stop commenting

pronax said:
I don't think your getting my point. English is not my maiden language so excuse please for any spelling mistakes. But I am speaking of the warranty counter in the bootloader (Odin) mode. I do not think that should be there. Ah well you all seem to think I'm off base here. So I will stop commenting
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Never stop commenting.
They have the KNOX counter because their warranty specifically states they are not responsible for any changes we make to our phones. As far as they are concerned, changes you make to the root software can negatively impact the phone. From the Warranty listed on their website for my Verizon S6:
"(g) defects or damage resulting from improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, service, or adjustment not furnished or approved by SAMSUNG, including but not limited to installation of unauthorized software and unauthorized root access, both of which shall void this limited warranty."
That's why they have a KNOX counter. It would be nice if there was a way that we could just say "I don't care about the warranty, let me root my phone." But since there are root methods that can not trigger KNOX....

Theodric58 said:
Never stop commenting.
They have the KNOX counter because their warranty specifically states they are not responsible for any changes we make to our phones. As far as they are concerned, changes you make to the root software can negatively impact the phone. From the Warranty listed on their website for my Verizon S6:
"(g) defects or damage resulting from improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, service, or adjustment not furnished or approved by SAMSUNG, including but not limited to installation of unauthorized software and unauthorized root access, both of which shall void this limited warranty."
That's why they have a KNOX counter. It would be nice if there was a way that we could just say "I don't care about the warranty, let me root my phone." But since there are root methods that can not trigger KNOX....
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Yes the point you bring up is a very interesting one because the KNOX counter appearing 0x0 still after root. A custom recovery would be nice for all kinds of reasons but I can't for see it happening. I still think their unauthorized policy thing is too strict. Because of not being able to use the phone. I'll use example of "software not authorized by Verizon..." Because that was just dirty. If it said hello your warrenty is now void but you can still use the phone I think that would be fair. I do reaise that warrentys are expensive and people like them

divestos.org website classified "dangerous / scam" by trend micro + lost security cert from macafee (edit: sites secure but the owner seemingly isnt)

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The site owner has request a reclassification from trend micro and as of November 30th 2022, it is now classified as safe via https://global.sitesafety.trendmicro.com and the lost certification is related to being poor and too proud to just admit so. (ok, thats a low blow. 1k a month (per owner) on a cert that use to be free is BS on McAfees part but the road to get to this conclusion was just stupid)
I noticed this when accessing aurora store with that repo enabled (offered by default) they offer privacy focused alternative apps and as well as a android ROM. I am a tech privacy /android / ROM whore and never seen something in this realm of content genuinely concern me.
via https://global.sitesafety.trendmicro.com/result.php
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Dangerous: The latest tests indicate that this URL contains malicious software or phishing.
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and their detailed classification is...
Scam: Sites that attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence, used in the classical sense of trust. They often play confidence tricks to exploit typical human characteristics such as greed, dishonesty, vanity, opportunism, lust, compassion, credulity, irresponsibility, desperation, and naivety.
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I wanted to initially assume false-positive or even more tin-hat, like a security company abusing their trust to assist google sustain analytics but this is too unique / unpopular and yet a specific.block
Doesnt help that it also lost (not never had) its Trusted rating with McAfee Secure with requests the owrner contact them.
there is not too much chatter about it on reddit or here beyond old(ish) roms and current updates (nothing reassuring, sadly)
looked into the websites github and code but ithere is so little discussion/feedback about the consistent changes and im not specialized in web cert/security classification guru. All I do know is i go to a lot of privacy focused apps, install all the privacy/ foss f-droid repos and never seen this before.

This is my project and dates back to 2014:
History - DivestOS Mobile
divestos.org
News - DivestOS Mobile
divestos.org
I've numerous contributions in many other open source projects you are likely to already be using. See:
About - DivestOS Mobile
divestos.org
Build software better, together
GitHub is where people build software. More than 100 million people use GitHub to discover, fork, and contribute to over 330 million projects.
github.com
You can also see all of my many FOSS projects available at https://divested.dev
These two forum threads have over 1000+ comments combined:
DivestOS: long term device support with enhanced privacy and security
I am releasing DivestOS. It is an aftermarket system for many devices. Based on LineageOS with many security and privacy features. Unmodified F-Droid is included. Site: https://divestos.org Source: https://github.com/divested-mobile (also mirrored on GitLab) Credits...
forum.f-droid.org
Divested-WRT: No-nonsense hardened builds for Linksys WRT series
Hello! Here are my simple, no-nonsense, UNOFFICIAL builds of OpenWrt for the Marvell-based Linksys WRT devices. I've maintained these between 2015-2016 and again since mid-2020. Configs and patches are obviously included. Builds are here and via onion service here Changelog is here Git...
forum.openwrt.org
There also used to be a list of sites where people talked about it:
DivestOS-Website/wild-3p.txt at ac002b46e05fb255ed96adc787efe216085b9f24 · Divested-Mobile/DivestOS-Website
The DivestOS website. Contribute to Divested-Mobile/DivestOS-Website development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
DivestOS is also listed on PrivacyGuides (previously PrivacyTools) here https://privacyguides.org/operating-systems/#mobile_os
You are welcome to verify what you see, but please kindly don't spread FUD about a project I've spent many thousands of hours on these past years.

You are welcome to verify what you see, but please kindly don't spread FUD
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Poor choice to use FUD ("Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (often shortened to FUD) is a propaganda tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics, polling and cults. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and a manifestation of the appeal to fear." - the wikipedia definition to defend your project, especially on things that bring up serious concern about it. That, paired with the info dump you gave that addressed none of the issues I brought up.
I am not qualified to "validate" anything you show me, which is why I brought it up here in hope professionals would be able to weigh in. I saw your name but didn't tag you because I was certain you would just get defensive and take it as an attack, which it is not. it is a concern. I also didnt do it because You really dont ask the one being labeled a scammer if they are one..
The fact you still took it as one and did nothing to address the the 2 major security companies showing valid concern over the website.
I've numerous contributions in many other open source projects you are likely to already be using
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weird way to humble brag and again, nothing about them relate to the post I made. you not addressing anything i put forward just makes me even more concerned. Again, there are many similar projects (some much more popular in use) and none of them have the issue your website seems to have.
Why not address the claim by Trend Micro?
How could they confuse your link as a scam when that is not a false positive they do much, if ever?
Are you planing on contacting McAfee to get your sites cert back?
Why did you lose it in the first place?
They definitely seem interested in you contacting them, why not do so?
If you reply again, please address anything about the specific and valid issues brought up in the post and not just try to defend yourself by listing off your work history.

I honestly do not care at all what Trend Micro or McAfee's automated blackbox systems have classified my websites as.
Nor am I going to install Windows and install their anti-virus programs just to refute their claims.
McAfee literally charges minimum $1000 a month for that nonsensical "certification" https://www.trustedsite.com/certification/start if your site has "more than 500 visits a month". divestos.org is averaging between 20k and 35k page hits a month.
which is why I brought it up here in hope professionals would be able to weigh in
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I'd gladly welcome a free audit of my work.

"I don't care" isn't an answer to any of the questions. listen, I don't care. I don't use your stuff nor like or dislike anything related to you, your project. The only reason I even posted it is the fact this is the only website I've come across in my 25+ years of FOSS obsession to have 2 major security companies suggesting something is wrong.
the fact you still didn't answer the questions nor care doesn't bode well. you really should care
I'd gladly welcome a free audit of my work.
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2 major security companies did and that's why this post was made. Hellloooo???!

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"I don't care" isn't an answer to any of the questions. listen, I don't care. I don't use your stuff nor like or dislike anything related to you, your project. The only reason I even posted it is the fact this is the only website I've come across in my 25+ years of FOSS obsession to have 2 major security companies suggesting something is wrong.
the fact you still didn't answer the questions nor care doesn't bode well. you really should care
2 major security companies did and that's why this post was made. Hellloooo???!
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No, they did not audit what I offer.
That is not at all what an audit is.
The Trend Micro is a false positive, and I've already asked them to reclassify it.
The McAfee certification is a *PAID* service, that costs over $1,000 a month and is for websites to have a silly badge on their website. Never have I paid for it or asked for it or can even afford it. Why would I in my right mind burn $1,000 a month for a badge.
Please stop wasting my time.

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No, they did not audit what I offer.
That is not at all what an audit is.
The Trend Micro is a false positive, and I've already asked them to reclassify it.
The McAfee certification is a *PAID* service, that costs over $1,000 a month and is for websites to have a silly badge on their website. Never have I paid for it or asked for it or can even afford it. Why would I in my right mind burn $1,000 a month for a badge.
Please stop wasting my time.
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Is it not you who is wasting your time?
Your input was neither requested nor required for the OP's stated purpose.
OP sought input from respondents -if any- and it would seem that it is your intent to waste his/her time.
Perhaps let this play out as it will. If you are confident in your truths then fear not the illuminations.

Trend Micro has since reclassified divestos.org as:
"Safe / Computers / Internet;Noteworthy"

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Trend Micro has since reclassified divestos.org as:
"Safe / Computers / Internet;Noteworthy"
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I see that.
A step in a positive direction for your endeavors, no?
Something you've changed or explained via a convincing communication with them?
Or do they just whimsically impose/rescind such judgments sans explanation to those affected?

The McAfee certification is a *PAID* service, that costs over $1,000 a month
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that makes sense to stop using it, especially when it use to be free, but why did it take your 3rd response to the topic to get to there?
Trend Micro has since reclassified divestos.org as:
"Safe / Computers / Internet;Noteworthy"
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1. thats great.
2. so you DO care and requested a reclassify request. Why was that so hard to just admit to? Why did everything you reply with say one thing yet your actions do another? you could have just said "thats not good but i assure you its wrong and will request them to change it" hell, i even said mcafee was
Please stop wasting my time.
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************, YOU came to ME. I brought up a concern and specifically didn't tag you because I was looking for input form others as you dont ask people labeled scammers if they are one.
You're whole reply could have been
"**** Mcafee, they want money now but ill put a request into TM. Not a concern for myself but it only takes 10 seconds and dont want any potential users to be concerned"
jesus christ