Apple-Samsung Court Case - Verizon Droid Charge

Looks like our beloved Charge was mentioned as a witness in this case:
http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/apple/apple-samsung-trial-verdict/
- rubber band patent
- 915 patent (scrolling with one finger)
- 163 patent (double tap to zoom and center content)
- iphone trade dress (Charge was not in violation of this)
what this could mean for the future for the Charge? who knows?
good side: perhaps a software update to the latest OS with valid patents
bad side: a software update reverting these violations
neutral: nothing....

Here's a interesting write up about some sketchiness among the jury and the decision. In this light, it seems almost certain that at appeal is coming, if not outright dismissals on at least some of the violations under a Rule 50(b). With this much alleged impropriety, they may even be able to get a stay on the decision.
I doubt Apple is overly concerned with a low sale volume device like the Charge in the grand scheme of things. I imagine that the most that might happen is stopping production.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390

Hmm. So is it really copying when they are two totally different programming languages that achieve similar results?
I hate this damn Samsung keyboard .... Maybe if i have some time i can catch up with you guys
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Antoneus1231 said:
Hmm. So is it really copying when they are two totally different programming languages that achieve similar results?
I hate this damn Samsung keyboard .... Maybe if i have some time i can catch up with you guys
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You can install a keyboard without root...
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sales ban
Cnet is reporting that Apple is requesting a ban on sales of the Charge (amongst other phones) in the US.
With appeals and other legal manuvering I have no idea whether this will really happen, but I wonder what it means for customers that have these phones... What would happen if you need a replacement from VZ?

It would be great if they just make them stock android devices with 4.1.1 like the nexus S...The resale value would double lol.

i would not be surprised to see VZW offer us a deep discount on upgrading to another device. probably something like $100 off the 2-year contract price of another device even if you have time left on your current contract. which is really nothing new, but it could easily persuade most out of the charge...
but whatever it is, I want dwith to let me know where he is going first, and I'll follow.... (just don't say iphone....)

jco23 said:
but whatever it is, I want dwith to let me know where he is going first, and I'll follow.... (just don't say iphone....)
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Definitely. This is a great group I've found here. I don't want to just trade you guys in for the sake of some stupid phone. Unless he says iphone. Which would suck. I don't expect that to happen though.
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This is what I think of apple.
Tweaked 2.2 PBJ and Transparent ICS 5.0 Beta

tmanschuette said:
This is what I think of apple.
Tweaked 2.2 PBJ and Transparent ICS 5.0 Beta
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Ditto. Except I wouldn't look as happy ingesting such a grotesque thing

Here's some info on the latest.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120827143911783
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120828085512779

tldr but I'd like to know a summary
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First article is showing how the only device that the judge felt confident in granting a sales injunction for was one of the few devices that didn't get any judgement against it. Literally, the only device the judge thought was a slam dunk got off clean, and others that she considered to be weak cases got slammed by the jury, which when taken with the earlier reports of procedural errors and bias points further toward an incompetent or biased jury. The second article compares this case to previous attempts by Oracle, SCO, and Microsoft attempting (and failing) to shut down other FOSS projects due to fear, and speculates (with good reasoning) that this could very well be a test case for patent reform that makes it all the way to SCOTUS.

This is just getting worse and worse. The jury foreman in an interview said that he determined that prior art didn't apply because "The software on the Apple side could not be placed into the processor on the prior art and vice versa. That means they are not interchangeable. That changed everything right there." Great logic, except that interchangeability isn't part of the definition of prior art. I can just be words on a piece of paper with no actual implementation whatsoever and still be prior art, yet he managed to convince the rest of the jury using that logic. Keep in mind that this is the same guy who has a patent and admitted that was thinking of this case in terms of defending his own patent.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120828225612963

Every time that guy opens his mouth, he strengthens Samsung's appeal and/or Rule 50(b) filing.

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Android Beats BlackBerry and Apple in the Race

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According to latest survey by comScore the digital measurement provider Google's Android and Blackberry RIM have beaten up Apple in the wild race for best mobile Operating system,OS.
The from comScores "Mobilens Serivice" tells that the study of 30,000 mobile users; 30.4% were Android based as the leader followed by RIM ( Blackberry) and then Apple with a constant 25% share of the Market.
With Regard to this Race for Mobile OS Supremacy, all have there advantages, but on the other hand this proves that today a major Population uses smart phones. (65.8 million in US only) .
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I really like Blackberry's simplicity. Pity few feels the same.
Android now has 52% market share
Android win
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I really like Blackberry's simplicity. Pity few feels the same.
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Nope, i feel the same too, the new Bold makes me horny.
Anyway, these numbers mean almost nothing: Apple sells only ONE phone, which costs about 800$, while there's a bunch of crappy low end android phones out there, so go figure.
This said, we're users, not shareholders, should we really care about marketing? I guess not, it's none of our business. What we should care about is software/hardware quality...on that note: there are many androids with awesome hardware, but does the software really keep up with that? Look at a super cheap lg optimus 7 (desire cpu+gpu package), it's smoother than a SGS II and costs about three times less. Even RIM has hardware acceleration now, BB OS 7 will be way faster than current android os when it will come out in a few months, and i won't mind picking up one if ICS won't be a MAJOR update. After a year spent on this OS i can say that it's not perfect, and i'm even kind of tired of playing the nerd part ironing out the bugs and glitches that google dev team is unable to handle.
You might say i'm a fool, and argue that RIM sucks and is about to die, but believe me, if android doesn't come to a new deal i can't actually tell who's gonna die first (at least in the highish end devices marketplace)
I love my android. Don't want anything else
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go android go
Google might be in the lead but there will always be loyal Apple and Blackberry users.
Android has the best quality in my opinion, and the fact they are open source is that much better!
Much easier to find Apple/BB loyalists than Android one in my opinion.
As expected
Android will be the King. And from the top cell phone news, almost 70% are about Android
Apple or Android
Apple and Adroid Both r nice
but i reffer Apple iphone most its the matter of Trust.
All software sucks.
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Much easier to find Apple/BB loyalists than Android one in my opinion.
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I agree.
When I get my Android smartphone, it will be because of its low cost, first and foremost. I also appreciate the OS's flexibility. But I'm hardly "loyal" to the operating system, since it seems that its primary attraction is what it doesn't do, that is lock down the system from its users, than anything it does do.
When there is an OS that lets me use my smartphone computer like an actual computer but has full developer support, I'm jumping ship. (The most likely candidate will be Windows 8.)
go android!!!! piss on apple!!! and rim is ok people are just on apples nuts, if the white color gets u excited then u shud try coke
I'll always go for the one that gives me the most out of my OS, and that will always be Android. Though I'm not loyal to it.
If Blackberry, Symbian, WP7, WebOS and iOS do not do anything new and spectacular, a.k.a if the situation stays like how it is today, Android will be the king.
note: I am using an Android (Desire) and am very satisfied about it but I am more than willing to get something else, if it is better.
I'm sorry to share this idea here.
In my opinion, Apple is still the best. If you don't like it's premium price tags, Android has some good alternatives.
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Apple makes great devices but it's androids turn to shine. Open source linux is what users want. If you want a simple device that's easy to use then buy an apple.
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Apple-sues samsung for copying Iphone/Ipad

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/apple-sues-samsung-over-for-copying-the-iphone-and-ipad/
What do you guys think? Is Apple being copied by Samsung? They run different apps/os/hardware. Form factor is fairly close however......
Its mainly because of touchwiz. But I think they also sued for hardware which is kinda stupid.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/18/apple-sues-samsung-over-for-copying-the-iphone-and-ipad/
What do you guys think? Is Apple being copied by Samsung? They run different apps/os/hardware. Form factor is fairly close however......
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hmm....they panic caue android will lead the world
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lol that's so stupid, Apple is getting their processors on Samsung.
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I LOVE and agree with what the Author said at the end:
"And hey, if you're going to sue Google indirectly, you can't leave a major player like Samsung outside the courtroom, it just wouldn't be fair."
Lol we have a nub unlike the iphone 'nuff said
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Dear Apple,
IOS sucks, you and I both know this, so please, don't start this suing thing again, and go prepare for the android take over.
Your former brainwashed friend,
Cashyftw
they should named their next device as iSUE.
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Way to copy, Samsung. Only Apple can use the patented design of putting the screen between the mic and speaker. Wait, what?
It will go nowhere, and in a way it is a huge compliment to Samsung. Apple is so worried Samsung is going to toast their sales, they go and do the oldest trick sue....... LMAO............ they did not get very far with Microsoft or any other of their so called lawsuits........ this will be no different.
It would be cool if sammy told apple to go F themselves when they want more components for there next phone
****ing Apple. What a stupid company that thinks the whole technology world revolves around them when it's in fact miles ahead of them.
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It would be cool if sammy told apple to go F themselves when they want more components for there next phone
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That wouldn't be the professional thing to do.
The professional thing to do would be to raise the cost of the NAND, the A4, and the A5 to pay for all of the legal fees. That way, Apple is paying the cost of both companies fees.
Samsung has a right to raise the cost when cost to manufacture goes up. This is probably what they'll do.
Also, I have one more thing to say.
Samsung's lawyers response should be along the lines of: "We take offense to Apple's accusations that the Galaxy S phones and tablets are a copy of the iPhone and iPad. Our devices do not instantly make the user a douchbag. Nor are our devices incredibly gay."
Don't forget, Apple sued HTC last year for touch and gesture features, including finger-swipe unlocking mechanisms, power conservation, touch-screen scrolling, and accelerometer capabilities.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/190596/apple_sues_htc_claiming_20_patent_infringements.html
They just hate other brands doing better phones then them...i ****ing hate apple
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Apple thinks this will make Samsung lose money. If anything, it'll show how Apple is scared of competition, and Samsung will sell MORE. Anyways, they sell more the the Galaxy S line. You can't make them lose money.
Well, back in 2008 I owned an iPhone. It was the 3G model and I was very pround because it had high standards for a phone at that time (processor, GPU). But when Galaxy S came out I realised that the best hardware components met the best software and hey, it s open source! The first real iPhone killed is Galaxy S and Android needed this flagship phone to overcome the competition. Samsung won t lose the trial with Apple and the good part is that iPhone 5 will be more expensive and it will have even lower standards than it s predecessor (we all know that Apple A5 DualclCore is clocked at 900Mhz and is far behind Sammys Exyon @1.2Ghz or Qualcomm s DualCore Snappdragon)
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First let me say that iPhone is by far the most popular phone in the world. And this is a stupid lawsuit, now when people are considering the iphone they'll think "wait, didn't I hear about a phone similar to the iphone that apple was suing for?". they'll find out about the galaxy s (or gs2 ) and get that instead. Congratulations Apple, you just lost sales.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/19/apple-spent-nearly-5-7b-on-samsung-parts-in-2010-faces-strong/
Damn Apple are dbags. Trying to use this lawsuit to cover all their expenses on Samsung parts.

Why apple is bent on suing android.

Really?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20123511-37/steve-jobs-felt-android-was-a-stolen-product/
Let's face it. Without android you wouldn't be where you are either.
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evil to the last dying breath .... shame on him
android was created before iphone
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He was the same to Adobe with regards to Flash. If it wasn't for Macromedia/Adobe, Apple would have died LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG ago. If it wasn't for Macromedia's software, graphic design and video editing software, and, of course, Flash, wouldn't have been designed on a Mac and Apple would have died a slow, painful, death. And even before that, MS bailed the c***s outs.
........................greedy
He's a hypocritical ^ asshole. Visionary my arse.
It's because they are jelly Android is catching up
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evil to the last dying breath .... shame on him
android was created before iphone
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and it looked like blackberry for the uneducated before they saw the iPhone, this is the stupidest argument to put out.
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and it looked like blackberry for the uneducated before they saw the iPhone, this is the stupidest argument to put out.
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Both Android and iOS look like S60, so if other arguments are stupid, yours isn't any better.
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evil to the last dying breath .... shame on him
android was created before iphone
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First Android phone did not come out until 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
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First Android phone did not come out until 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
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oh lord.
You do realize being out in the market and existing or in development arent the same right ?
iPhone STILL looks like it did when it first launched. Bunch of icons on several pages. Apples theft or "borrowing" of design and features is well known and documented. People dont have it out for Jobs they just recognize hypocrites when they see one.
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oh lord.
You do realize being out in the market and existing or in development arent the same right ?
iPhone STILL looks like it did when it first launched. Bunch of icons on several pages. Apples theft or "borrowing" of design and features is well known and documented. People dont have it out for Jobs they just recognize hypocrites when they see one.
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Same can be said about the iPhone, point?
Not long before microsoft fears android os for pc lol.
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How many options does ios5 "steal" from android or others. Such is the nature of business. If someone buys something, another company is going to produce a similar product with their own twist to appeal to another group of consumers and some of the "original" company's. When one company started building suvs, and another company sees a trend they will too. If one company sees that ppl like rear window wipers others are going to manufacturer them too. Take something, build it to your liking and add in to it. There are few truly genuine and unburrowed ideas in today's business. If you think you have a niche in the market, don't plan on having it long unless you continue to innovate. Heck, apple even spends less on its r&d per revenue then goggle, microsoft, or rim. Because they gave up on innovation and spent more on legal departments and advertising?
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Motorola's cavalier attitude will have them banned in the U.S. Does anyone even care?

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...microsoft-patent/&category=classic&postPage=1
Unlike apple, Microsoft gave them plenty of chances. Only Motorola can be blamed, not like they were releasing anything revolutionary anyway.
Meh...w/ that said, the Razr (thinnest) and Razr MAXX (longest battery life) aren't revolutionary to you? Minus the locked BL's I still say the Maxx is one of, if not the best phone out currently overall.
I don't find either advance to be a game changer, now if they made a small battery with that much charge or a thin phone that retained durability I'd understand.
What's Motorola?
I don't see that lasting long. Google going to lay some smack down on Microsoft with it's new patient portfolio.
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I'm anxious to see what Google does once they are in full swing with Motorola. I'm sure they will top the razr somehow.
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I don't see that lasting long. Google going to lay some smack down on Microsoft with it's new patient portfolio.
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nokia/microsoft still has the bigger portfolio.
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Does anyone even care?
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It's not Apple vs. Google so..
No. Nobody cares.
These general patents are bull****. Scheduling ameeting from a mobile device?
What are we going to find out next? Microsoft holds the patent on using a finger as an input device on a touchscreen?
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nokia/microsoft still has the bigger portfolio.
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Size doesn't matter, it's what's in the portfolio that counts.
And Nokia's is independently on par with Motorola's.
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And Nokia's is independently on par with Motorola's.
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Nope, we don't/won't care. Superior android devices will continue to come out. Android will continue to flourish. People will continually buy more and more android devices while having not even hearing of windows phone.
Once again you post some flame bait, its windows phone vs android with a disguised title. I give you a 2/10 on the troll.
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Oh, Motorola! I know them.
Man you people are mean, How can you all not care about the company that started the "DROID" evolution?
It because of them, Android was put into mainstream attention. Anyone remember the old saying -"DROID Does"
I mean, this commercial had to bring back some of the fun memories
Motorola Droid C
Motorola will most likely be singing a different tune once Google flexes the "we own you" muscle a little bit.
In this day and age, I just can't understand a company who doesn't embrace the open spirit of Android development. Developers can help a company so very much if that company will open it's eyes and stop thinking "only" with it's bottom line.
Obviously they'll work it out. Too many $$'s at risk.
These kind of things don't make sense to me. It is so stupid. So if Microsoft wins, then Motorolla will just change 1 small thing in their new phones and move on with life...
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Oh, Motorola! I know them.
Man you people are mean, How can you all not care about the company that started the "DROID" evolution?
It because of them, Android was put into mainstream attention. Anyone remember the old saying -"DROID Does"
I mean, this commercial had to bring back some of the fun memories
Motorola Droid C
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I actually had to watch that video to learn about it. Motorola DROID line up doesn't get much play on this side of the world. Still waiting for the fantastic Razr Maxx. By time it gets here, if it gets here, it won't seem so spectacular versus the One X and upcoming GS3. Which is a shame.
Back to topic, I'm sure something will be fleshed out, MS deals more than Apple and with that whole Motorola Xbox ban thing I'm sure MS has some motivation.
I do'nt care, by the way, who cares?
Moto is crazy about everything, I wonder why they are freaking out over some patent.

ICS taking so long...Maybe this will help you understand.

http://www.androidcentral.com/why-you-ll-never-have-latest-version-android
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http://www.androidcentral.com/why-you-ll-never-have-latest-version-android
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Another ics thread seriously man
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Another ics thread seriously man
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Guess I should relabel for Noobs.
While i agree with most of the article you shared with us , some reasons were insufficient.
In a carefully planned business , nothing is impossible.
For example , Google can force Open Handset Alliance to develop a Universal UI and whenever a new kernel comes aboard you just paste the universal ui into the new kernel. This is beneficial for everybody. Updates will take less long and customers will be happier. (Carriers will be pressured to speed things up)
Or Google can take the matter into its own hands by going to the hardware manufacturers and obtaining the necessary information for drivers thus saving the manufacturers from unnecessary work. Google gets more customers and Device Manufacturers get more money.
But what do i know ?
Google is a big corporation. Big corporations always have plans and their backups.
As far as i pretend to know , Google already has plans that are waiting to be put in motion after eliminating all the bugs.
Just you wait... IOS will be nothing more than ash and ruins in no time. Open-Source is the future and the way to go.
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While i agree with most of the article you shared with us , some reasons were insufficient.
In a carefully planned business , nothing is impossible.
For example , Google can force Open Handset Alliance to develop a Universal UI and whenever a new kernel comes aboard you just paste the universal ui into the new kernel. This is beneficial for everybody. Updates will take less long and customers will be happier. (Carriers will be pressured to speed things up)
Or Google can take the matter into its own hands by going to the hardware manufacturers and obtaining the necessary information for drivers thus saving the manufacturers from unnecessary work. Google gets more customers and Device Manufacturers get more money.
But what do i know ?
Google is a big corporation. Big corporations always have plans and their backups.
As far as i pretend to know , Google already has plans that are waiting to be put in motion after eliminating all the bugs.
Just you wait... IOS will be nothing more than ash and ruins in no time. Open-Source is the future and the way to go.
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You're forgetting about the free market. Every phone has different components from different manufacturers from all around the world. Putting that kind of pressure on companies will only help the major brand names. You don't expect Windows 8 to install on the XP machine you got in 2001, do you? So why are we asking for the latest Android release for a phone we bought last summer? 18 months might not seem like a long time, but in terms of the technology and innovation that has come out within that time, 18 months is a long time.
Fragmentation is an issue, but its unrealistic to expect Google to force every company to keep up with their innovations.
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You're forgetting about the free market. Every phone has different components from different manufacturers from all around the world. Putting that kind of pressure on companies will only help the major brand names. You don't expect Windows 8 to install on the XP machine you got in 2001, do you? So why are we asking for the latest Android release for a phone we bought last summer? 18 months might not seem like a long time, but in terms of the technology and innovation that has come out within that time, 18 months is a long time.
Fragmentation is an issue, but its unrealistic to expect Google to force every company to keep up with their innovations.
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Those were the solutions i came up within a minute or so. They'll have bugs of course.
Also , not necessarily "Google". There can be other solutions.
The thing i tried to explain was , it's not impossible or unrealistic as you seem to think so.
The expectations create competition. Someone's gonna do it , we switch to that brand. The other brand will lose sales and will soon follow in it's example.
Sympathy for corporations will get you nowhere as a consumer , as corporations already look out for themselves.
You should look out for yourself by pressuring corporations to provide better service however impossible or unrealistic that may be.
A wise man once said ; If you thank for the small one , you can't get the big one.

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