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Android p developer preview OTA and beyond

Regarding mi mix 2s android p preview, Does it mean my device will become like pixle and recieve OTA updates as soon as they come out? Android 8 then 9 then 10... Etc

Stable Android P will see the reintroduction of MIUI, they put too much development in MIUI to allow you to use pure Android P, just like all manufacturers do. it's a shame tho, i would love this phone with pure android

barcode99 said:
Stable Android P will see the reintroduction of MIUI, they put too much development in MIUI to allow you to use pure Android P, just like all manufacturers do. it's a shame tho, i would love this phone with pure android
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I'm not a religious person but amen brother!
The device really rocks even with the developer preview. I can't wait to have an aosp rom for this device! Coming from Nexus devices ever since I still love the look, smoothness and bloatware free android experience.
Maybe Google can force manufacturers to let people choose between stock android and their own UI. Chose at first startup and you're good to go!

kleinholzinferno said:
Maybe Google can force manufacturers to let people choose between stock android and their own UI. Chose at first startup and you're good to go!
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it's not going to happen, bro. it's like Microsoft forcing everyone to use Edge instead of Firefox and Chrome. They paid license fee and the hardware manufacturers make money by all means necessary. GUI is one of those. I personally do not care about GUI, i had LG, HTC, Samsung and Sony phones. I choose best performing device on the market based on design, spec and camera. I use Smart Launcher on all of them and just delete/hide all bloatware. MI 2s is the one i like this year, i run preview on it for a month, it's keeps crashing and camera app lost all MI 2s advantages so i am back on MIUI Global now. All other developer ROMs i tried, including MIUI10 is just full of bugs. Depends what you want to use your prone for... i used it primarily for business, stable ROM is more important that new bells&whistles half of which doesn't work. I got preview for MIUI10 and it's far from even something usable on a daily basis.
I am sure we will get something closer to pure android soon, Xiaomi really making headlines by allowing all kinda testing on this phone, it's good marketing strategy. i like it, but from what i saw so far, Global 9.5.19.0 is the one for me

You're absolutely right about that!
They can't force the manufacturer to let people choose. Which is of course a bad thing and by that I mean to force them.
I tried the miui global ROM 9.5.15 and it's stable and working but it has too many restrictions for me. I just like the stock android and not this iOS plagiarized version.
I'll wait for the custom ROMs. I run lineageos on my Samsung note 10.1 2014 because the original firmware made the tablet unusable. Lags as hell and you can't even uninstall all this bloatware without root.
Nice to see different tastes, that's what's makes the development strive for new solutions. Which is obviously great! So everybody can choose what fits them best!

@barcode99 thanks, i guess there is no way but to wait for lineage OS rom

jouid33 said:
@barcode99 thanks, i guess there is no way but to wait for lineage OS rom
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When snapdragon 845 sources are released(properly first week of july) aosp roms are right around the corner. Additionally the brightness bug with treble roms is fixed but the fix is not implemented yet, so the future looks bright

It's worth mentioning, the final 1/2 developer previews are actually pretty stable, I had a Xperia 3 that got the Nougat Dev Previews and Sony decided to stop with Dev Preview 5 and not release a stable version, but I used Dev Preview 5 as my daily driver and had 0 issues with it

TheInfiniteAndroid said:
It's worth mentioning, the final 1/2 developer previews are actually pretty stable, I had a Xperia 3 that got the Nougat Dev Previews and Sony decided to stop with Dev Preview 5 and not release a stable version, but I used Dev Preview 5 as my daily driver and had 0 issues with it
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until someone port MIUI camera app or release it standalone i would go with MIUI ROM, all camera ports i tried suck. That's pretty much the same problem for all manufacturers since camera hardware is differ from one to another

I'd also love pure android on the mix2s. But I guess miui is just the only kinda "downside" for this great device. And besides I think miui 10 is reaaally sexy, especially the multitasking!

OnePlus 5T vs OnePlus 6

Hello,
Which one of these phones would be the better one to buy in terms of rooting, modding, customizing etc. ?
Does one support more mods than the other or they pretty much the same? Also would like support for Xposed framework.
Thanks

kaotik123 said:
Hello,
Which one of these phones would be the better one to buy in terms of rooting, modding, customizing etc. ?
Does one support more mods than the other or they pretty much the same? Also would like support for Xposed framework.
Thanks
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5T currently has more support for this. There is not much difference in their price. But 6 will eventually get more support later by time(Like custom roms but it already has many custom kernels available).

Ok yeah that's what I thought. But if I was to get OnePlus 6 and roll it back to nougat, would it be just as good as the 5T for customization or is it the hardware in the 6 that limits it?

kaotik123 said:
Ok yeah that's what I thought. But if I was to get OnePlus 6 and roll it back to nougat, would it be just as good as the 5T for customization or is it the hardware in the 6 that limits it?
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Oneplus 6 is released with oreo, u cannot put nougat on it.

bassbounce said:
Oneplus 6 is released with oreo, u cannot put nougat on it.
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Oh it isn't possible to flash a Nougat firmware on the 6?
Also, is xposed worth installing or can you find the same or similar modules as an apk these days? Xposed will also break safetynet too yeah?

I didn't installed xposed, I am running no limits rom.
No it is not possible maby u can build it but I have no idea.
Its all different because treble partitions, also qualcomm did not release the sources for the 845 processor. So aosp development is not active only on treble based roms are available but I have no experience with it.
But it will come with the time, the device is just 5 weeks ago released.
When qualcomm decide to release the sources the rom development will come.

Seems the new a-b slots made it much more difficult for devs, only omni as an custom rom today. Much worse than for 5t after same time span.
Seems Lineage is picking put the 5T, that can change the custom rom scene.
Treble has been an disappointment until now, no real benefit for op6

DocRambone said:
Seems the new a-b slots made it much more difficult for devs, only omni as an custom rom today. Much worse than for 5t after same time span.
Seems Lineage is picking put the 5T, that can change the custom rom scene.
Treble has been an disappointment until now, no real benefit for op6
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The point of project treble isn't for custom ROM support but for being able to be on the developer previews of unreleased, upcoming Android versions which will enable the OEM (our case OnePlus) to be able to update our phones much much faster.
That's the benefit.

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OT5 is simple life (old partition system) and no notch, but an old model already. OT6 has a notch and the damned A/B partitions, but brand new, with OIS, a bit better cameras tho the secondary camera on the back is just to help the main one...
The problem is that the 5T price isn't going down.

Question thinking of buying

Yes I read reviews.
I owned a Oneplus One years ago and I gave up waiting for an upgrade and bought something else.
I here that OnePlus is better at upgrading today than they were four years ago. Is this true ?
Like I said I read and I know OnePlus 6 has available an Oxygen Beta (Android Pie) but it has not been officially released ? Is true if I buy a device I may need to wait several months until they Officially release Android Pie.
Now I know you will say just run the Beta it is stable but here is the make of break question I need Android Pay and Wear OS. My experience tells me if I flash a Beta required apps like Android Pay and Wear OS may stop working.
If I buy today I think the safe thing will be to wait for Oxygen OS (Android Pie) to be released. Customer ROMs or Beta OS will break for sure Android Pay.
Other than hating to wait for official releases this device looks fine.
No wireless charging sucks but I can live without it.
The Pixel camera maybe better but I read the OnePlus 6 camera is not bad
The OnePlus 6T will be out in November but ..... THERE IS ALWAYS A NEW DEVICE around the corner. Wait for the OnePlus 6T..... oh but it a few months this will be released.
This device gives better value for the dollar.

Android pay is not working in Beta, you should read the OP forum in the beta thread to see all the things being said.
The 6T rumor is that it will come with Pie installed but since it isn't out yet nobody knows if it will really be installed out from the gate.
Personally, I think Oxygen OS is a mess and from what I see on the threads for Pie, they're just patching it yet again and putting a new UI on it over starting from scratch. All they keep doing is carrying over bugs from previous versions and then trying to re-patch them again for either the new device model and/or new Android system. Considering treble is now installed on both the 5 and 6, IMO they should have started fresh and should have been working on coding an entirely new OS 2 years ago.
If I were you, I would wait until Pie is released in the fall and see how it goes and what the complaints are before buying anything.

Official Pie has been released, you can already download the firmware and flash it.
As for updates and kernel source upload speed, the OP6 gets both the fastest among all devices I had.
As for taking pics, use the gcam port for great picture quality and the oos cam for [email protected] recording.

The Official build for Android pie has been released today which is nice as it took only about 1.5 months after Google released it themselves.

Thanks I jumped on a sale, and ordered one.
I am not even sure at this point I care about the Pixel, it may have a better camera but I am sure ordering the One Plus 6 I saved hundreds of dollars.

The OP 6T is set to be released in the next couple months. Unless you're in need of a headphone jack, I'd wait to get the latest version.

floridaman said:
Android pay is not working in Beta, you should read the OP forum in the beta thread to see all the things being said.
The 6T rumor is that it will come with Pie installed but since it isn't out yet nobody knows if it will really be installed out from the gate.
Personally, I think Oxygen OS is a mess and from what I see on the threads for Pie, they're just patching it yet again and putting a new UI on it over starting from scratch. All they keep doing is carrying over bugs from previous versions and then trying to re-patch them again for either the new device model and/or new Android system. Considering treble is now installed on both the 5 and 6, IMO they should have started fresh and should have been working on coding an entirely new OS 2 years ago.
If I were you, I would wait until Pie is released in the fall and see how it goes and what the complaints are before buying anything.
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... That's not how android works .. even less since treble... You don't simply "patch" your Android version up to date, especially when it's a major revision that is changed. Most oftenly they start from scratch with some cherry picks. And rebuild blobs whenever necessary... files come from AOSP in it's normal form, then every time android releases a new version, this has to be merged with the current existing release yes, but that means that every difference from x that y has changes into x (x being the updated file, any of em, Y Being the old, already installed one)... Bringing something on /system over from one of the earlier oos, to a newer oos, would break alot. I mean.. we can't even run ob3 custom kernels on GM pie... Because changes... Having something stick around doesn't mean it hasn't been touched, porting is another thing, and there is also maybe a chance that it's the same group of devs handling this as it was back then. It's still oneplus. Also. Oos isnt nearly as bad as you make it sound.. Oos is by far the best fork of Android I've seen launched as an OEM specific android experience, and I've seen alot of phones. Simply due to its close resemblance of the pure experience, with it's small addins for simplicity, performance, and ease of use. The UI is Google's own new material guideline. Not oneplus'. And there was 3 pie betas wherein other Companies reach up to 18-20 betas... Are we owning the same device?

efinityy said:
... That's not how android works .. even less since treble... You don't simply "patch" your Android version up to date, especially when it's a major revision that is changed. Most oftenly they start from scratch with some cherry picks. And rebuild blobs whenever necessary... files come from AOSP in it's normal form, then every time android releases a new version, this has to be merged with the current existing release yes, but that means that every difference from x that y has changes into x (x being the updated file, any of em, Y Being the old, already installed one)... Bringing something on /system over from one of the earlier oos, to a newer oos, would break alot. I mean.. we can't even run ob3 custom kernels on GM pie... Because changes... Having something stick around doesn't mean it hasn't been touched, porting is another thing, and there is also maybe a chance that it's the same group of devs handling this as it was back then. It's still oneplus. Also. Oos isnt nearly as bad as you make it sound.. Oos is by far the best fork of Android I've seen launched as an OEM specific android experience, and I've seen alot of phones. Simply due to its close resemblance of the pure experience, with it's small addins for simplicity, performance, and ease of use. The UI is Google's own new material guideline. Not oneplus'. And there was 3 pie betas wherein other Companies reach up to 18-20 betas... Are we owning the same device?
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I didn't say they were patching Android, I said they were patching their OS. Yes, I know they are 2 different things and I know things are working differently since treble. They can fully keep taking their Oxygen OS and throwing it over the latest version of Android and patch it to make it work with the new code, which is exactly what they've been doing. Yes, they get a guideline, that doesn't mean they are stuck doing only that and making no improvements/changes. There are literally hundreds of options they can code for, but don't.
I'm sorry, but it's not only simple, it's downright beyond basic even to what Google turns on and codes for features. Spare me the dribble of "pure android" please, it's a ridiculous mantra. I've not put the beta's on my phone but have been reading the forum and I have not yet received the stable update that has been just pushed out. But I already see some of the complaints coming in and no I'm not talking about the nonsensical postings.
If you think that OP is doing a great job on their OS, then you and I clearly have different standards. I'm glad you love it so much, to each his own in that regard.

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I didn't say they were patching Android, I said they were patching their OS. Yes, I know they are 2 different things and I know things are working differently since treble. They can fully keep taking their Oxygen OS and throwing it over the latest version of Android and patch it to make it work with the new code, which is exactly what they've been doing. Yes, they get a guideline, that doesn't mean they are stuck doing only that and making no improvements/changes. There are literally hundreds of options they can code for, but don't.
I'm sorry, but it's not only simple, it's downright beyond basic even to what Google turns on and codes for features. Spare me the dribble of "pure android" please, it's a ridiculous mantra. I've not put the beta's on my phone but have been reading the forum and I have not yet received the stable update that has been just pushed out. But I already see some of the complaints coming in and no I'm not talking about the nonsensical postings.
If you think that OP is doing a great job on their OS, then you and I clearly have different standards. I'm glad you love it so much, to each his own in that regard.
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To each their own indeed. And it's not a ridiculous mantra.just as countless many others, I do prefer to be able to switch over countless amounts of phone but still have the same familiar, debloated and resource friendly UI. Having to learning all the different "UX"s gets pretty dull, as soon as ie Samsung gets settled with one, they change design language. And that, for me, is a deal breaker, I don't feel like having to relearn the same basics over and over, and where I usually have to install another AOSP based ROM on ie my Xperia, HTC or Samsung. Whilst the OnePlus just has the familiarity and non-rubbish feel to it that AOSP has. But don't get me wrong, as you said, to each their own, and if it wasn't for people like you that don't want the stock feel, we wouldn't have custom kernels and/or ROMs. And I've ran all the betas except ob3 and currently run the stable... And I've yet to run into any app not loading, crashing, or features not working as intended. But I would recommend not jumping on the bandwagon as I regret doing so, until there are some more data and user reviews of the stable branch. And I'm not trusting anyone doing a forum post not being previously recognized or a proper reviewer. The stable build is solid, but it's still early to tell.

possible to run stock Android?

Find looking to getting this phone, I have always had pixel phones and just running stock Android.
From what I can tell, it is very easy to read this phone, really all I am looking to do is run stock w magisk ( Just need Wi-Fi tether and add blocking and viper for Android really!)
I know it's ridiculous question, but I just wanted to confirm that it would be possible to run stock Android and do all the things I'm used to doing on my pixel s

What do you mean by "stock" Android? Do you you mean literally a Pixel ROM?
The device as it comes from OnePlus has what they call Oxygen OS. It is very close to the pure Google experience (like Pixel device) with just a couple OnePlus apps, and some OP wallpapers, and not much else. I believe it is as close to a Pixel experience as you will get, without actually buying a Pixel.
Otherwise, there may be custom ROMs that get you closer to a Pixel experience.

I think the Pixel Experience ROM is exactly what you are looking for!

Just FYI, pixel's don't run stock Android either.

The closest thing you can get to "stock" android is LineageOS, as it's directly based off of AOSP and only has several added features.
Pixel phones don't run "stock" android, they run a proprietary OS Google ships their phones with that looks very close to stock android, but if that's what you're looking for, then Pixel Experience rom is probably for you.
Otherwise on OxygenOS, you can get a near pixel/stock experience using Lawnchair/Pixellauncher + Quickstep magisk module to replace OOS launcher and recents since you were planning on using magisk anyways.

Have you thought of installing the Pixel Launcher? It will give you the stock Pixel feel?

Pixel UI vs Lineage (Android 10)

Small question, but I suspect that it is going to need a big answer.
First of all, I would be happy if there is a site or post that already did the comparison, and I would be quite happy if someone would link the site or post as my Google-fu might have been inadequate.
I also realise that I am comparing a stock ROM and custom ROM. I custom ROM sometime has the advantage of getting support by community developers for longer.
But keeping in mind that I do use various Google Apps (and would therefore install some form of GAapps with Lineage), I was wondering if there are certain features in Lineage I might miss in the Pixel UI, or vice-versa (for instance, if I was to install GCam on Lineage and use it on a Pixel phone, would I get the same thing as I would with Pixel UI?).
And while I am at it.. is the Pixel Experience to the Pixel UI the same thing as say, stock MIUI ROM and xiaomi.eu, or is something very different under the hood?
Thanks.