Putting up a poll out of sheer curiosity.
Since these phones need a case, any dark color works fine.
Without a case they will get TKOed... have one from day one.
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Since these phones need a case, any dark color works fine.
Without a case they will get TKOed... have one from day one.
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Yeah I plan on ordering a case for mine ASAP. I just need to figure out what one I want. I love the low-profile feel of my N10+ 5G when I don't have the case, but I'll admit that I've broken the digitizer a few times. Thank you for insurance and $39 LCD/Digitizer replacements. Haha
I was torn for the longest time, black or burgandy. In the end, black was my choice. Can't go wrong with black. And coming from the blue note 9, I missed black phones.
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I was torn for the longest time, black or burgandy. In the end, black was my choice. Can't go wrong with black. And coming from the blue note 9, I missed black phones.
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I've had the N10 in Aura Glow, White, and Black. I thought I would pick black, but the burgundy looks so good.
I have the Graphite on pre-order
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Yeah I plan on ordering a case for mine ASAP. I just need to figure out what one I want. I love the low-profile feel of my N10+ 5G when I don't have the case, but I'll admit that I've broken the digitizer a few times. Thank you for insurance and $39 LCD/Digitizer replacements. Haha
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Eventually Zizo will have a case. That's all I use on my N10+'s. Zero damage in spite of a dozen drops onto concrete. The Bolt provides full face plant protection which also helps holding the phone and accidental touches. A good case makes the phone easier to use. Pay special attention to the protection given to the spen corner as these are corner hitting phones when dropped... that is if it doesn't face plant
The problem is any impact that can damage the display, frame rail or rear cover can also take out the mobo, cam, etc. The mobo and cams are especially susceptible and intolerant to high G loading impacts and board flexing. What seems like minor damage can get very expensive and/or erratic behavior, failures.
Samsung has some clear cases on pre-order right now, with and without a kickstand. I will probably get one of those.
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Eventually Zizo will have a case. That's all I use on my N10+'s. Zero damage in spite of a dozen drops onto concrete. The Bolt provides full face plant protection which also helps holding the phone and accidental touches. A good case makes the phone easier to use. Pay special attention to the protection given to the spen corner as these are corner hitting phones when dropped... that is if it doesn't face plant
The problem is any impact that can damage the display, frame rail or rear cover can also take out the mobo, cam, etc. The mobo and cams are especially susceptible and intolerant to high G loading impacts and board flexing. What seems like minor damage can get very expensive and/or erratic behavior, failures.
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yeah with the mechanical OIS that doesn't surprise me at all. That and lenses require pretty precise alignment as well. And all of the phones I've damaged have been from face plants....The rear has only been cracked once after I rolled onto it working under my car.
I went with black. I ordered the Spigen Rugged Armor and Tough Armor in black.
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yeah with the mechanical OIS that doesn't surprise me at all. That and lenses require pretty precise alignment as well. And all of the phones I've damaged have been from face plants....The rear has only been cracked once after I rolled onto it working under my car.
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I've been lucky with face plants as most were on level surfaces and it landed on the case guard. A couple drops though did catch the display, once the factory screen protector and a couple of times Gorilla IQ Sheild.
Both protected the display from a sure marring.
It's impossible to completely protect the display but you can do an adequate job most times.
The case should be slightly higher than the display on the sides and even higher on the ends.
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Samsung has some clear cases on pre-order right now, with and without a kickstand. I will probably get one of those.
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Hard polycarbonate doesn't absorb much energy from an impact.. if it doesn't absorb it, it can transfer it to the device. Good for scratch protection but a good corner hit on concrete will not be pretty.
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I've been lucky with face plants as most were on level surfaces and it landed on the case guard. A couple drops though did catch the display, once the factory screen protector and a couple of times Gorilla IQ Sheild.
Both protected the display from a sure marring.
It's impossible to completely protect the display but you can do an adequate job most times.
The case should be slightly higher than the display on the sides and even higher on the ends.
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The worst part about this situation? I worked in a cell phone store as a flippin' repair tech for 6 1/2 years. If anyone should know better...It's me. LOL
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The worst part about this situation? I worked in a cell phone store as a flippin' repair tech for 6 1/2 years. If anyone should know better...It's me. LOL
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Lol, you're desensitized
The incredible amount of trouble a damaged or lost flagship phone would cause keeps me in check.
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Hard polycarbonate doesn't absorb much energy from an impact.. if it doesn't absorb it, it can transfer it to the device. Good for scratch protection but a good corner hit on concrete will not be pretty.
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In my opinion Spigen prices have increase a lot since the last time I bought from them. I want a clear case to show the Graphite colour.
I love the way the Burgundy looks. It's almost a shame to have to cover it up with a case.
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In my opinion Spigen prices have increase a lot since the last time I bought from them. I want a clear case to show the Graphite colour.
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I hear you but I think functionality and survivability are more important. The cost in time and aggravation outweigh the pretty face.
So all I look for is a dark colored phone to blend with the case. You could get a graphite grey case...
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I hear you but I think functionality and survivability are more important. The cost in time and aggravation outweigh the pretty face.
So all I look for is a dark colored phone to blend with the case. You could get a graphite grey case...
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Never mind, I went to the US website to check if they had any earlier today. I just found them on Amazon UK, and for some reason they are charging US people almost double. For example the Tough Armor is £19 here, and 45 dollars in the US. So I might buy 1 besides the Samsung case to check it out.
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Lol, you're desensitized
The incredible amount of trouble a damaged or lost flagship phone would cause keeps me in check.
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At least I've got insurance via Verizon. It's paid for itself about 3 times now.
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In my opinion Spigen prices have increase a lot since the last time I bought from them. I want a clear case to show the Graphite colour.
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You ordered an S22 Ultra and a $16 Spigen case is expensive? Okay then.
Spigen Rugged Armor
Spigen Tough Armor
Related
I found this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Clear-Scr...oth-for-LG-Nexus-4-E960-Google-/350672535192?
it's only $1.95 for 6 dry screen protectors with free expedited shipping in the US. I know it's not the best out there but I personally hate the draggy feeling of wet applicators.
I thought I should share this
Let us know how the quality is, hopefully it isn't a Crazy finger print magnet
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fuego77 said:
Let us know how the quality is, hopefully it isn't a Crazy finger print magnet
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I just placed the order 1/2hr ago It said estimated delivery is between 12/28 and 1/3. I will definitely keep you guys updated as soon as I have it.
Be careful, before I went with Spigen I purchased cheap protectors and they had the grainy effect and felt odd.
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Be careful, before I went with Spigen I purchased cheap protectors and they had the grainy effect and felt odd.
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I had always used dry ones before on my previous phones. They were all fine and each lasted about a month before scratches started to show and I just replace it with another one
I currently have Skinomi. I liked it but it's already showing signs of stretches and unhealed marks/dents.
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I had always used dry ones before on my previous phones. They were all fine and each lasted about a month before scratches started to show and I just replace it with another one
I currently have Skinomi. I liked it but it's already showing signs of stretches and unhealed marks/dents.
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I haven't tried a wet install due to fear of getting water in the earpiece and other ports. And lol are marks suppose to heal?
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I found this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Clear-Scr...oth-for-LG-Nexus-4-E960-Google-/350672535192?
it's only $1.95 for 6 dry screen protectors with free expedited shipping in the US. I know it's not the best out there but I personally hate the draggy feeling of wet applicators.
I thought I should share this
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No cutout for proximity sensor could be a problem. Maybe that's why they're so cheap. Then again at $2 for 6, I have a feeling even the cheapest wet protector will feel better than those
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I haven't tried a wet install due to fear of getting water in the earpiece and other ports. And lol are marks suppose to heal?
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I've always used wet apply protectors (6 different phones, and 3 tablets). No problems so far. I think you'd end up with more water in your device while talking on the phone in the rain than with applying wet protectors. Then again I also use distilled water which has lower conductivity than tap.
Here's my experience using a high quality (SGP) screen protector vs cheap ebay ones :
Im currently using SGP dual (front & back) ultraclear for about a month and although its a bit of a fingerprint magnet, so far there are no visible scratches on the protectors. Seems like it holds up pretty well against all the rubbings in my jacket pocket this past month. SGP claims of its material hardness was proven since there are no scratches at all so far :good:. And I thought all screen protectors are made equal...until I was proven wrong a couple of weeks ago..
I helped a housemate bought and install cheap dry application screen protectors on ebay for his samsung exhibit II phone. They are cheap (6 for $1.95), but it took 3 trials for me to finally be satisfied with the result as the first 2 trials resulted in scratches on the protectors when I was squeegee-ing the bubbles. I did not use a squeegee on the 3rd trial and just pushed the bubbles out using my fingers. as a result some of the bubbles are trapped (but went away after a couple of days). However, upon closer look, some of the protector edges are not flat, resulting on lifting on the edges. The thing just looks plain ugly.
So, my advise is stay away form the cheap protectors...you may get lucky with a hi quality protectors but odds are youre going end up with a lo quality ones (hence the low price). They are also prone to scratches. Yeah with the cheap ones, you can change it monthly but since the process of applying a protector takes about 1-2 hour for me, I prefer to install it once and be happy about it for the rest of the cellphone's life...
PS : BTW, the one you posted doesnt have a proximity sensor cutout...
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Here's my experience using a high quality (SGP) screen protector vs cheap ebay ones :
Im currently using SGP dual (front & back) ultraclear for about a month and although its a bit of a fingerprint magnet, so far there are no visible scratches on the protectors. Seems like it holds up pretty well against all the rubbings in my jacket pocket this past month. SGP claims of its material hardness was proven since there are no scratches at all so far :good:. And I thought all screen protectors are made equal...until I was proven wrong a couple of weeks ago..
I helped a housemate bought and install cheap dry application screen protectors on ebay for his samsung exhibit II phone. They are cheap (6 for $1.95), but it took 3 trials for me to finally be satisfied with the result as the first 2 trials resulted in scratches on the protectors when I was squeegee-ing the bubbles. I did not use a squeegee on the 3rd trial and just pushed the bubbles out using my fingers. as a result some of the bubbles are trapped (but went away after a couple of days). However, upon closer look, some of the protector edges are not flat, resulting on lifting on the edges. The thing just looks plain ugly.
So, my advise is try to stay away form the cheap protectors on ebay...you may get lucky with a high quality protectors but odds are youre going end up with a low quality ones (hence the low price). Also, they are prone to scratches...since the process of applying a protector takes about 1-2 hour for me, I prefer to install it once and be happy about it for the rest of the life of my cellphone.
PS : BTW, the one you posted doesnt have a proximity sensor cutout...
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thanks for the heads up. I guess I'll just try and see. Hopefully I get a good quality one. I don't expect much. Beside its only $1.95.
I give the homeless guy nearby my house $1 every other days anyways
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thanks for the heads up. I guess I'll just try and see. Hopefully I get a good quality one. I don't expect much. Beside its only $1.95.
I give the homeless guy nearby my house $1 every other days anyways
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This made me happy. Good for you man.
++1
I have gone through quite a bit of smartsphone.. each of them I been applying different type of screen protector to try them out.
It really depends on how *cheap* they are...
I purchase 4 for $1.50 on ebay.. they feel as premium as those $14 for 2 high quality one (sgp)
but they do get scratches much more easily than high quality one.
And even if you manage to not get scratches on them, they tend to get worn out in the middle due the swiping ..
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I have gone through quite a bit of smartsphone.. each of them I been applying different type of screen protector to try them out.
It really depends on how *cheap* they are...
I purchase 4 for $1.50 on ebay.. they feel as premium as those $14 for 2 high quality one (sgp)
but they do get scratches much more easily than high quality one.
And even if you manage to not get scratches on them, they tend to get worn out in the middle due the swiping ..
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This is very true.
i boughtbthis exact screen protector and impossible to out on without scartching it all up, absolutely useless, ive put on many before with no problems
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So I received the screen protectors today. I did not apply it as I still have my Skinomi on.
Attached is how it looks like laying on top of my phone.
There IS a cutout for the sensor as you can see. However the camera is covered.
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So I received the screen protectors today. I did not apply it as I still have my Skinomi on.
Attached is how it looks like laying on top of my phone.
There IS a cutout for the sensor as you can see. However the camera is covered.
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Are you sure you didn't put it on backwards? Weirdly enough that's what I was about to comment on, it does seem to mess with the proximity sensor, as the screen will remain black during calls.
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Are you sure you didn't put it on backwards? Weirdly enough that's what I was about to comment on, it does seem to mess with the proximity sensor, as the screen will remain black during calls.
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Just cut out the corner with scissors before applying
Already done, just thought people should know though.
Omg you're right. I put it on backward. So embarrassing. Lol that cut out is for the camera.
Oh well, I'll just cut a hole for the sensors when I need to.
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Omg you're right. I put it on backward. So embarrassing. Lol that cut out is for the camera.
Oh well, I'll just cut a hole for the sensors when I need to.
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lol, I was actually wondering how you got it to stick that way, if I could have I would've kept it that way. It wouldn't bother the camera, at least not as much as it bothers the sensors.
yeah i was looking at it and my first thought was "but... the pull tab says "back" on it..."
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1081571316/rhino-shield-the-impact-resistant-screen-protector
I have said before that people who think the Nexus 4 is fragile are just irresponsible and don't know how to mind their phones...
... then I dropped the phone in my backyard. On grass. While in a TPU S-case. The screen cracked and the digitizer was unresponsive.
$120, a toolkit, and a YouTube video later; I've got a repaired phone. When I leave my house, my phone always rests in a case, whether S-case, Poetic Palette, or Poetic Slimbook. And these cases always add a noticeable amount of bulk.
I'd love to be able to use the phone caseless, but I don't want to shell out another $120 and spend another evening replacing the screen.
So... I'd be very grateful if someone would please explain to me why I shouldn't buy this. Tell me why it doesn't provide drop protection. Or that the phone would still break from a 5 foot fall into concrete. Tell me that the coverage means nothing and that edge protection is necessary if the event of a drop.
Or... you can tell me that this screen protector provides as much protection as the Poetic Palette/Rearth Ringke
I'm only asking for real advice, because I really want to go caseless, and if the Rhino Shield provides adequate drop protection, I will. 2x0.29 mm isn't too thick (0.58 mm for our slow friends) and is certainly thinner than any case possible.
P.S. If the Kickstarter is cancelled, everyone gets their money back (no scam).
I have a question.
when your phone dropped (with the S TPU) you didn't have any screen protector on?
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I have a question.
when your phone dropped (with the S TPU) you didn't have any screen protector on?
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I did not have a screen protector on.
More and extraneous detail: I had just gotten the phone replaced, as my first N4 had a faulty radio that consistently dropped cellular data. With my replacement, I left the packing film on the back, but removed the front film.
When I dropped the phone, it landed on it's back. Somehow, only the front cracked. The back remains pristine, though I have since removed that packing film.
there's your answer. put the film back on. you're welcome.
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there's your answer. put the film back on. you're welcome.
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I'm not sure if you're being facetious or you truly don't understand the point of my thread...
This Kickstarter is for a very durable screen protector that appears resilient against single point impact. However, I don't know how it fares against an actual drop. I'm particularly interested in how it would do against concrete.
I'd be very interested in using my phone without a case, and this specific screen protector boasts significantly more protection than a standard screen protector. Watch the video. Spoiler: a 255g ball bearing is dropped from 48cm onto a Gorilla Glass 2 panel with Rhino Shield and escapes intact. The same bearing is then dropped from a mere 9cm onto the same glass panel which is now using a "standard" screen protector. This time, the screen cracks all over.
However, someone who has more experience in industrial design or phone durability may be able to dispel the Rhino Shield claims. Maybe their test was not representative of an actual drop. Maybe edge protection is far more important.
One thing is certain about your advice... I'm not going to heed it!
Edit: this video is a more direct comparison, using a real phone this time. It seems very impressive, but I'm still concerned about hire important edge protection is in the case of a real world drop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk70XEYk53Y
Edit 2: this video actually had drop results and they seem promising. I'm going to bite the bullet and get one. I'll try to remember to update this thread in the future if my phone breaks. If I don't, assume it hasn't! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=humEMjHElG0
so basically it's a product similar to wrapsol and ~5 $ cheaper
I was joking actually but thanks for the info
AW: Ok, talk me out of buying this: Rhino Shield.
That would be seriously nice if the Kids were playing on my Device!
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so basically it's a product similar to wrapsol and ~5 $ cheaper
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Ahh, now there's a helpful post. I looked up Wrapsol protectors and found this review on Amazon:
the product was delivered very quick almost 5 days faster than expected. I bought this product on amazon since they stopped selling them in my local walmart. Couldn't be happier the full screen protector is the way to go since you get full protection with minimal size increase. I have dropped my phone probably over 150 times over the past year with this wrapsol full screen protector on it and it has yet to crack any of those times (including tile, terrazzo, and concrete).
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I've looked at the other reviews, for all kinds of iPhones, and found that Wrapsol protectors stretch over time. I really hope this doesn't happen to Rhino Shield, but I'll just make them give me a new one if that happens. I mean, it would be pretty messed up if you got a screen protector, and after a year it misaligned to the point of function loss.
I saw a post today (on another forum) about someone dropping a nexus 4 with wrapsol on it- he got out of a car and forgot the phone was on his lap, and he says the screen shattered at 3 different places.
in my opinion, these types of screen protectors may help as long as the phone doesn't fall on one of its corners.
Amazer already has one of these
http://www.amzer.com/Amzer-ShatterProof-Screen-Protector-Front-Coverage-P95221.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsxl1bRTldo
their brick test is incredible...
however, the rhino is about half the price
I'm not sure how similar the rhino shield is compared to invisible shield but I've been using that on all my phones for a long time and can tell you that even on corner drops I have not had a single cracked screen. I got the full body shield installed by the guy at the mall selling it for $35. I think you can buy it without someone installing it for less.
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their brick test is incredible...
however, the rhino is about half the price
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Again, I'm quite skeptical about the rigor of these companies' testing methods. I just don't feel like the hammer and bricks tests represent real life hazards to phones. They should perform a drop test onto a hard surface, and repeat dropping until the glass shatters or they show that the screen protector really is shatterproof. I'd love to see a worst case scenario from a set of 100 trials.
From what I see if specs, Rhino is at least 50% thicker than similar shatterproof film. I just wish Rhino would release chemical info of the polymer that used
I already gave Rhino Shield my USD$24, though.
I think I am in for one
I am waiting at home for the Fed Ex truck to arrive with my repaired Nexus 4. Dropped it from 1.5 feet onto the tile in my bathroom and the front screen shattered and the digitizer stopped working. I would love to see this in a drop test but those videos look impressive. My fault for not having a case on it yet but it is ridiculous how fragile this phone is. I don't understand how Google and LG Engineering would allow this out the door like this. I could easily see some sort of class action lawsuit coming over the build robustness and I will be sure to sign up if/when it happens to get some of that $140 repair bill back. I am going to contribute to this kickstarter. Looks like they are getting close to their goal.
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I am waiting at home for the Fed Ex truck to arrive with my repaired Nexus 4. Dropped it from 1.5 feet onto the tile in my bathroom and the front screen shattered and the digitizer stopped working. I would love to see this in a drop test but those videos look impressive. My fault for not having a case on it yet but it is ridiculous how fragile this phone is. I don't understand how Google and LG Engineering would allow this out the door like this. I could easily see some sort of class action lawsuit coming over the build robustness and I will be sure to sign up if/when it happens to get some of that $140 repair bill back. I am going to contribute to this kickstarter. Looks like they are getting close to their goal.
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Everyone knows they bought a glass frint/back phone, I doubt there's going to be a class action lawsuit... Lol
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Where/how do you order one?
ClintRhodes said:
Where/how do you order one?
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You can either back them on Kickstarter and choose the Nexus 4 front and back protector as a 'reward' (costs £16 to get that reward).
Alternatively you can wait for it to come into production and buy it just like any other product.
It sounds good. I might back it.
How do you all think this compares to the Fantom 4 tempered glass screen protectors? I was thinking of getting one of those.
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I'm not sure if you're being facetious or you truly don't understand the point of my thread...
This Kickstarter is for a very durable screen protector that appears resilient against single point impact. However, I don't know how it fares against an actual drop. I'm particularly interested in how it would do against concrete.
I'd be very interested in using my phone without a case, and this specific screen protector boasts significantly more protection than a standard screen protector. Watch the video. Spoiler: a 255g ball bearing is dropped from 48cm onto a Gorilla Glass 2 panel with Rhino Shield and escapes intact. The same bearing is then dropped from a mere 9cm onto the same glass panel which is now using a "standard" screen protector. This time, the screen cracks all over.
However, someone who has more experience in industrial design or phone durability may be able to dispel the Rhino Shield claims. Maybe their test was not representative of an actual drop. Maybe edge protection is far more important.
One thing is certain about your advice... I'm not going to heed it!
Edit: this video is a more direct comparison, using a real phone this time. It seems very impressive, but I'm still concerned about hire important edge protection is in the case of a real world drop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk70XEYk53Y
Edit 2: this video actually had drop results and they seem promising. I'm going to bite the bullet and get one. I'll try to remember to update this thread in the future if my phone breaks. If I don't, assume it hasn't! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=humEMjHElG0
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i posted in the rhino thread about the edge not being protected so there's not a lot of real drop protection. Im not and expert on phone design but if you take a look at your phones or videos of drop test, esp. the ones in slow mo, you can see that on a flat surface the phone will impact the edges most of the time. There's lots of pics of phones with shattered screens and the ones from drops usually are cracked from an edge or corner. the Nexus 4 is going to be worst than other phones because the screen curves around the bezel exposing more glass in a vulnerable area that is not covered by the screen protector. If you want drop protection get a case with lip around the screen. Get a screen protector if you dont want scratches.
Android001 said:
You can either back them on Kickstarter and choose the Nexus 4 front and back protector as a 'reward' (costs £16 to get that reward).
Alternatively you can wait for it to come into production and buy it just like any other product.
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backing a kickstarter will not guarantee you get anything, most fail even the ones with enough backing and there's no refunds with kickstarter. You are also getting an untested product until someone can get it and verify the manufacture's claims.
Has everyone seen this new wave of screen protectors that claim to be impact resistant?
Several companies popped up in the last few months marketing a "brand new," "revolutionary" screen protector to absorb impacts. The thing that makes me curious is that all of these products seem remarkably similar. They all have a hard impact dispersing outer layer and a couple soft impact absorbing layers.
One of the companies, Evolutivelabs, is on Kickstarter and claims to be started by a couple college kids, but I suspect they're all the same product and being sold by multiple resellers because they all claim to offer 5x increased impact protection over plain Gorilla Glass.
Similar products are Armor Guard, Buff Armor, and Tech 21's Impact Shield.
Does anyone know anything about these products?
Links??
This is it, i think.
http://www.evolutivelabs.com/rhinoshield/
John.
And these:
http://www.tech21.uk.com/news/news_item/impact_shield_finally_arrives
https://www.buyarmorguard.com/
Yeah, those were the ones and Buff Armor is here: http://www.buffarmor.com/
Here's different one...
http://www.clearplex.com/
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Here's different one...
http://www.clearplex.com/
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Really a handgun? Why buy a kevlar vest when you can just build up from this screen protector...:silly:
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Really a handgun? Why buy a kevlar vest when you can just build up from this screen protector...:silly:
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Yeah, that's hard to believe. Does anyone have any experience with this "bullet-proof" screen protector?
I'm also very curious...
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Really a handgun? Why buy a kevlar vest when you can just build up from this screen protector...:silly:
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Got your attention, didn't it?
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Yeah, that's hard to believe. Does anyone have any experience with this "bullet-proof" screen protector?
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You did notice that the phone was only propped up with not much holding it? That will reduce the overall impact because there is nothing to stop it from flying back. That probably reduced the chance of the screen shattering?
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I'm also very curious...
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I actually created a thread asking to see if anyone had used the brand and all I got was replies about getting glass protectors instead... So I guess not. I've gone without a protector since having gorilla glass on my phones, but with the protectors listed here, I am reconsidering.
I currently have a Crystal Clear Spigen on mine for around two weeks and already it's scratched pretty badly. I've heard that it scratches pretty easily but it's ridiculous that it has this many from just being in my pocket. If these protectors really do what they say they do I would be interested. I'm kind of skeptical of buying expensive protectors though due to reports that the expensive glass protectors scratch easily too...
Evolutive Labs one seems pretty impressive, but as far as I can see they don't have S4 screen protectors yet.
poqeteer said:
Got your attention, didn't it?
You did notice that the phone was only propped up with not much holding it? That will reduce the overall impact because there is nothing to stop it from flying back. That probably reduced the chance of the screen shattering?
I actually created a thread asking to see if anyone had used the brand and all I got was replies about getting glass protectors instead... So I guess not. I've gone without a protector since having gorilla glass on my phones, but with the protectors listed here, I am reconsidering.
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Maybe it's my inexperience with guns, but what hits the phone looks like steel balls from a scattershot and not a regular bullet. Also the fact that there is multiple impacts would lead me to believe that this is probably very carefully staged.
Matridom said:
Maybe it's my inexperience with guns, but what hits the phone looks like steel balls from a scattershot and not a regular bullet. Also the fact that there is multiple impacts would lead me to believe that this is probably very carefully staged.
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I found the original blog post which brought ClearPlex to my attention (watch as a link from some other blog I normally read) showing the S4 being shot from a "drone"...
http://www.phonearena.com/
Same gun, but what is more(?) interesting is the description of the gun in the article. The gun can use a normal .45-caliber round but also a .410 shotshell (which is basically the same as shotgun shell with a load of pelts). So yeah the it won't stop a bullet, but it will stop high speed small metal objects. There are other videos where they actually shot an iPhone with a regular shotgun which, of course, had the same results. Still pretty impressive.
I don't believe that gun stuff...
I'm really tempted to buying one but I don't know
frrlod said:
I don't believe that gun stuff...
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Yeah it is a stunt... It's probably equivalent to hitting the screen with a hammer, pretty unbelievable I do believe the stunts are probably real (IE not a fake phone).
I made a video on my youtube channel about the NOTE 9 - ZAGG Curve Elite, long story short i either got a defective unit or the quality of this products is not good at all, take a look for yourself.
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This protector absolutely BLOWS. Mine was so full of bubbles and while trying to work them out the glass cracked just using the included squeegee.
I've installed tons of protectors over the years and this one is a complete fail.
Zagg charged me $9.99 for a replacement and I don't think I'm even going to try it.
Yeh I think it's well worth paying the extra and getting something like a whitestone dome
felloffthetruck said:
This protector absolutely BLOWS. Mine was so full of bubbles and while trying to work them out the glass cracked just using the included squeegee.
I've installed tons of protectors over the years and this one is a complete fail.
Zagg charged me $9.99 for a replacement and I don't think I'm even going to try it.
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Yeh I think it's well worth paying the extra and getting something like a whitestone dome
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This ZAGG Elite is more than the Whitestone Dome at $49.99
Yea, I'm just not too crazy about spreading glue all over the face of my phone.
Got this one, and i very happy.
cereal86 said:
Got this one, and i very happy.
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Which one? The curve elite or?
cereal86 said:
Got this one, and i very happy.
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If you going to get an "Edge Sticker" mind as well just get the G-Pel.
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If you going to get an "Edge Sticker" mind as well just get the G-Pel.
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In the end I got one of them whitestone copies on ebay with the glue, went on perfect and only cost me like £7
Every time i see someone put one of these on i cry.
Not defecting its from an improper install. You can not squeegee a zagg elite that hard because
-Adhesive is thick and super sticky. Air does not come out of it. Light heat helps but expect 15-20 min of working bubbles out by hand. Seriously. Light and smooth.
-Air bubbles with that thick of adhesive makes a high pressure point on the glass. Do this with any glass protector out there they all crack.
Install on this is horrible. I did one and outside of 20 min worth of getting out some bubbles it went on just fine. Second one if i had a bubble that was not coming out i used some really strong tape. Lifted the protector up with that then slowly let it down. That helped. Last one i used that with some light heat and it went on ok. Still a pain.
Now for the fun parts.
First one i had was defective. Protector had a bubble in the top right corner that would not come out. Measured the adhesive layer and it was 50um thicker in that corner. Defective unit and the store knew about that got a new one and it went on perfect.
Horrible design. One thing about Zagg is they have great products...But after its made they give it to someone there and they are in charger of gimping it. There job is to figure out how to make it slight worse. On the Elite they said well the normal one as the edge adhesive and that sucks so this has full so how can we made it suck just as much..I got it. Lets add some black borders that make the display just a hair smaller...And then we will make it so out of that black we get a little light leakage when its in a dark area. Seriously every Zagg product has one these where someone should of been fired. I mean whitestone did the same thing. They cut every corner they could and did not go out of there way to make the product worse like Zagg. They just used cheap stuff and try to tell people its the most amazing thing ever.
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This ZAGG Elite is more than the Whitestone Dome at $49.99
Yea, I'm just not too crazy about spreading glue all over the face of my phone.
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i was like that spreading glue all over my 1000 pound Note 9 but dam it's worth it, it’s only a small drop of glue inside the bottle. The screen clarity touch sensitivity is amazing it’s well worth the 19 bucks i paid for it..
just make sure you put tons of masking or sell tape on your Note 9 before proceeding and make sure you cure it with uv light, and please take your time.
it just turns into soft rubbery glue, witch can be picked away but don’t mess around with the edges of the glass screen protector. As that will allow for dust to get in! But once on, you will never go back it's like there’s no protector I used a generic brand as it’s the exact same as Whitestone dome but you’re paying for the brand name Whitestone that’s why they are charging you 50+ bucks.
The 19 bucks one is the exact same as Whitestone dome I believe it is the same company that supply to Whitestone dome! See ebay link https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T-Max-Li...h=item21473e6d52:g:RccAAOSwZ~tbkQZx:rk:1:pf:0
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i was like that spreading glue all over my 1000 pound Note 9 but dam it's worth it, it’s only a small drop of glue inside the bottle. The screen clarity touch sensitivity is amazing it’s well worth the 19 bucks i paid for it..
just make sure you put tons of masking or sell tape on your Note 9 before proceeding and make sure you cure it with uv light, and please take your time.
it just turns into soft rubbery glue, witch can be picked away but don’t mess around with the edges of the glass screen protector. As that will allow for dust to get in! But once on, you will never go back it's like there’s no protector I used a generic brand as it’s the exact same as Whitestone dome but you’re paying for the brand name Whitestone that’s why they are charging you 50+ bucks.
The 19 bucks one is the exact same as Whitestone dome I believe it is the same company that supply to Whitestone dome! See ebay link https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T-Max-Li...h=item21473e6d52:g:RccAAOSwZ~tbkQZx:rk:1:pf:0
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They use different glass. I know where whitestone sources there adhesive and even got a price for it lol. It's from batches that can be sold under the company's brand name because its defective. So they sell it heavily discounted to places that. I did a lot of testing with that stuff.
But you dont need to tape it. That stuff comes off very easy because it never fully cures. And even fully cured the phones display has an fluoropolymer coating on it "Kinda like Teflon" So that helps a ton for getting the stuff off. Also any on the phone can be easily removed even fully cured with some Methanol. The stuff we use can be removed with Methanol and that stuff is 1000X better then that junk in those kits. Just dont use something like Dynmax 431-T and expect it to come off that easy. It wont, But the stuff in those kits comes off very easy. I'll plug the ports and dip my phone in it and not thing anything of it. However i would not put a drop of 431-T on my display if i ever want it to come off. But using the cheap kits "Whitestone is a cheap kit that's a fact and i proven this" You will get some de lamination at some point if you do not baby your phone. Pressure on the edges can cause it and even rapid temperature changes. And that's because at the end of the day its all defective. The tube that comes with the kit if it was quality and not messed up is around $20 per 0.1oz or 2.95ml. Its expensive i deal with these types of adhesives every day. But they are buying stuff that had issues during the mixing process and being sold off as a lower quality for $0.50 per 4oz or 118.2ml. I found who is the manufacturer of it is and who the suppler who is distributing it out of China is.
Sad note. I had 7 tubes of some high end Optical Adhesive that expired on the 27th. Little over $21,000 in the trash. Still good still works but since it is past that expiration date we can no longer use it for production. That was a lot of Adhesive....But even more money. We also scrap gold epoxy lol. But that stuff goes out to have the gold reclaimed from it.
But that price is what the Whitestone should cost. I mean for the adhesive they use its still a bit much but they gotta make money so its fair. I would pick that kit over the dome any day.
bignazpwns said:
Every time i see someone put one of these on i cry.
Not defecting its from an improper install. You can not squeegee a zagg elite that hard because
-Adhesive is thick and super sticky. Air does not come out of it. Light heat helps but expect 15-20 min of working bubbles out by hand. Seriously. Light and smooth.
-Air bubbles with that thick of adhesive makes a high pressure point on the glass. Do this with any glass protector out there they all crack.
Install on this is horrible. I did one and outside of 20 min worth of getting out some bubbles it went on just fine. Second one if i had a bubble that was not coming out i used some really strong tape. Lifted the protector up with that then slowly let it down. That helped. Last one i used that with some light heat and it went on ok. Still a pain.
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So much of this.
It was a PITA to install but my install came out flawlessly. Though yeah, you have to take your time, be careful not to put too much pressure on the glass itself when installing. I found it best to relift the glass to expose the bubble in question, then smooth it out towards the edges with a felt wrapped squeegee...gently. Lifting the edges was the magic I used, much like installing a skin / car wrap, relieve the tension and squeegee smooth. Cracking glass on installation has always been a thing since the iPhone 4 days. If you put too much pressure in one location, pop. This is not a proper review video imo, user error does not constitute a bad review.
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They use different glass. I know where whitestone sources there adhesive and even got a price for it lol. It's from batches that can be sold under the company's brand name because its defective. So they sell it heavily discounted to places that. I did a lot of testing with that stuff.
But you dont need to tape it. That stuff comes off very easy because it never fully cures. And even fully cured the phones display has an fluoropolymer coating on it "Kinda like Teflon" So that helps a ton for getting the stuff off. Also any on the phone can be easily removed even fully cured with some Methanol. The stuff we use can be removed with Methanol and that stuff is 1000X better then that junk in those kits. Just dont use something like Dynmax 431-T and expect it to come off that easy. It wont, But the stuff in those kits comes off very easy. I'll plug the ports and dip my phone in it and not thing anything of it. However i would not put a drop of 431-T on my display if i ever want it to come off. But using the cheap kits "Whitestone is a cheap kit that's a fact and i proven this" You will get some de lamination at some point if you do not baby your phone. Pressure on the edges can cause it and even rapid temperature changes. And that's because at the end of the day its all defective. The tube that comes with the kit if it was quality and not messed up is around $20 per 0.1oz or 2.95ml. Its expensive i deal with these types of adhesives every day. But they are buying stuff that had issues during the mixing process and being sold off as a lower quality for $0.50 per 4oz or 118.2ml. I found who is the manufacturer of it is and who the suppler who is distributing it out of China is.
Sad note. I had 7 tubes of some high end Optical Adhesive that expired on the 27th. Little over $21,000 in the trash. Still good still works but since it is past that expiration date we can no longer use it for production. That was a lot of Adhesive....But even more money. We also scrap gold epoxy lol. But that stuff goes out to have the gold reclaimed from it.
But that price is what the Whitestone should cost. I mean for the adhesive they use its still a bit much but they gotta make money so its fair. I would pick that kit over the dome any day.
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Do you have a link where i can purchase the high end Optical Adhesive ? That you would use on your smartphone ? And thanks for the in-depth info respect!
This product is awful. I got this put on at Best Buy 10 days ago and it is already cracked.
I have no idea what caused the break. No drop, no bang, no bump.
Zagg Lifetime warranty = $10 everytime you use it = basura
Tomorrow, I will drive 48 miles to San Jose Zagg and see if they will put on the Zagg film protector instead. Wish me luck.
johninsf said:
This product is awful. I got this put on at Best Buy 10 days ago and it is already cracked.
I have no idea what caused the break. No drop, no bang, no bump.
Zagg Lifetime warranty = $10 everytime you use it = basura
Tomorrow, I will drive 48 miles to San Jose Zagg and see if they will put on the Zagg film protector instead. Wish me luck.
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Was the Best Buy install perfect with no bubbles or any problems? Maybe Zagg can get the Elite on perfect?
Slightly off topic. Would you know if cleaning the screen with alcohol wipes ( isopropyl) destroys the oleophobic coating or not ? I'm assuming it may after a given amount of times.
bignazpwns said:
They use different glass. I know where whitestone sources there adhesive and even got a price for it lol. It's from batches that can be sold under the company's brand name because its defective. So they sell it heavily discounted to places that. I did a lot of testing with that stuff.
But you dont need to tape it. That stuff comes off very easy because it never fully cures. And even fully cured the phones display has an fluoropolymer coating on it "Kinda like Teflon" So that helps a ton for getting the stuff off. Also any on the phone can be easily removed even fully cured with some Methanol. The stuff we use can be removed with Methanol and that stuff is 1000X better then that junk in those kits. Just dont use something like Dynmax 431-T and expect it to come off that easy. It wont, But the stuff in those kits comes off very easy. I'll plug the ports and dip my phone in it and not thing anything of it. However i would not put a drop of 431-T on my display if i ever want it to come off. But using the cheap kits "Whitestone is a cheap kit that's a fact and i proven this" You will get some de lamination at some point if you do not baby your phone. Pressure on the edges can cause it and even rapid temperature changes. And that's because at the end of the day its all defective. The tube that comes with the kit if it was quality and not messed up is around $20 per 0.1oz or 2.95ml. Its expensive i deal with these types of adhesives every day. But they are buying stuff that had issues during the mixing process and being sold off as a lower quality for $0.50 per 4oz or 118.2ml. I found who is the manufacturer of it is and who the suppler who is distributing it out of China is.
Sad note. I had 7 tubes of some high end Optical Adhesive that expired on the 27th. Little over $21,000 in the trash. Still good still works but since it is past that expiration date we can no longer use it for production. That was a lot of Adhesive....But even more money. We also scrap gold epoxy lol. But that stuff goes out to have the gold reclaimed from it.
But that price is what the Whitestone should cost. I mean for the adhesive they use its still a bit much but they gotta make money so its fair. I would pick that kit over the dome any day.
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I have this one.
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bl10NpiD
It can where it down over time but no more then useing your phone. I refresh mine every other month with one of the $12 kits from Walmart. Each vial I get 2 uses out of. I just reseal the plastic vial after. So $12 gives you 4 uses.
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Was the Best Buy install perfect with no bubbles or any problems? Maybe Zagg can get the Elite on perfect?
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Yes. Best buy did a great job. No bubbles at all. The guy had to put it on twice. The first had dust. The next, he spent 15 min. removing dust with the tape.
Get the RhinoShield 9H Tempered Glass Screen Protector. For me its really the perfect protector FINALLY. Just take your time with the install and watch the video.
I've been on the hunt for a stick-on finger strap for my S22 Ultra. Having insurance, and the phone having invictus glass, I really see no reason for a case. There used to be a company that made a great one called Flozu, but I can no longer find them. Does anyone else feel as I do that covering this phone with a case is undesirable? I refuse to use one of those pop-up things as they are ugly and rather bulky. Any referrals are appreciated!
With no case it will likely get damaged or destroyed. It's a very heavy corner hitting phone that also likes to face plant.
Try B&H Photo...
That's what insurance is for....
Yeah, but what about the total inconvenience of HAVING to rely on insurance. Once the phone is damaged, it’s a royal pain getting it repaired or replaced, then restoring everything. You can get a light case providing minimal protection for less than twenty dollars!
I don't find it to be that much of a pain - I've done it before. I don't use the carrier insurance (which is a rip-off IMO). I have thin cases, but I prefer the phones beauty not be covered up. I've used the stick-on finger strap on phones in the past and it's always been great - I just can't find the one that I've used in the past.
Thanks!!
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That's what insurance is for....
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Insurance doesn't replace lost time or data. It may also fail at a critical or very inconvenient moment.
Beyond that its slovenly to decide to doom an expensive device to destruction due to vanity.
This 3 yo N10+ has been dropped over a dozen times onto concrete in its Bolt case. It remains spotless and running like a bat out of hell. The case actually makes it easier to hold and use. It also helps prevent accidental touches. The case is also the primary protection against face plant drops. That Victus glass isn't tough enough...
Self insured, everything up front with reduced overall cost. The only phone I never cased was a ruggedized one because it wasn't needed. 12 years latter it still works.
A bigger problem with cases is finding a good one. With mainstream phones like the Samsung flagships one generally has a large selection. On makes/models manufactured in smaller volumes the incentive to punch out cases in decreased and the case availability and selection suffers.
The Zizo 2 piece polycarbonate clamshell design is one of the slimmest and most rugged designs with no fasteners to break.
The S22U will be damaged without a case... it's destiny.
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Insurance doesn't replace lost time or data. It may also fail at a critical or very inconvenient moment.
Beyond that its slovenly to decide to doom an expensive device to destruction due to vanity.
This 3 yo N10+ has been dropped over a dozen times onto concrete in its Bolt case. It remains spotless and running like a bat out of hell. The case actually makes it easier to hold and use. It also helps prevent accidental touches. The case is also the primary protection against face plant drops. That Victus glass isn't tough enough...
Self insured, everything up front with reduced overall cost. The only phone I never cased was a ruggedized one because it wasn't needed. 12 years latter it still works.
A bigger problem with cases is finding a good one. With mainstream phones like the Samsung flagships one generally has a large selection. On makes/models manufactured in smaller volumes the incentive to punch out cases in decreased and the case availability and selection suffers.
The Zizo 2 piece polycarbonate clamshell design is one of the slimmest and most rugged designs with no fasteners to break.
The S22U will be damaged without a case... it's destiny.
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Guess I've been lucky.
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I've been on the hunt for a stick-on finger strap for my S22 Ultra. Having insurance, and the phone having invictus glass, I really see no reason for a case. There used to be a company that made a great one called Flozu, but I can no longer find them. Does anyone else feel as I do that covering this phone with a case is undesirable? I refuse to use one of those pop-up things as they are ugly and rather bulky. Any referrals are appreciated!
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Something like this? I've never used a finger strap though. What insurance do you have? I'm thinking of switching to square. Samsung+ and US carriers use Asurion. Asurion used to be good, but it's customer service has become abysmal.
15 Pieces Phone Grip Strap Finger Loop for Cell Phone Case Phone Finger Holder Assorted Colors Silicone Stretch Phone Grip Stand for Most Mobile Phones and Tablets https://a.co/d/77YAE8T
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Guess I've been lucky.
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Lol, I rather be lucky than well protected.
I'll go for months with no mishaps. Then I'll do something stupid like miss my pocket or pickup the phone in low light forgetting it was charging only to have the cable pull it from my hand. Been ill the last week and did both. Fortunately my pride was the only thing injured.
The other thing to consider is your hands may be trustworthy but what if you hand it to someone who doesn't have a feel for the phone? Or the one person here who's dog tail wagged their phone onto the tile floor. I really like the way my N10+'s look caseless but it's just not practical for me. They are slippery fish. The Bolt case also comes with a tether.
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Lol, I rather be lucky than well protected.
I'll go for months with no mishaps. Then I'll do something stupid like miss my pocket or pickup the phone in low light forgetting it was charging only to have the cable pull it from my hand. Been ill the last week and did both. Fortunately my pride was the only thing injured.
The other thing to consider is your hands may be trustworthy but what if you hand it to someone who doesn't have a feel for the phone? Or the one person here who's dog tail wagged their phone onto the tile floor. I really like the way my N10+'s look caseless but it's just not practical for me. They are slippery fish.
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He's asking about finger straps. Nobody cares about why you have phone insurance.
This isn't a strap, but a popup, rotating ring that is factory mounterd on this case.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09N7BTKXQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Something like this? I've never used a finger strap though. What insurance do you have? I'm thinking of switching to square. Samsung+ and US carriers use Asurion. Asurion used to be good, but it's customer service has become abysmal.
15 Pieces Phone Grip Strap Finger Loop for Cell Phone Case Phone Finger Holder Assorted Colors Silicone Stretch Phone Grip Stand for Most Mobile Phones and Tablets https://a.co/d/77YAE8T
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I use Upsie.
Here's what I decided on (for those that are interested).
LOVEHANDLE
Customize your smartphone with Lovehandle phone grips and accessories. Choose from swappable designs and colors that integrate functionality with your unique style.
www.amazon.com
It comes with an extra piece of adhesive that allows it to stick well to my phone. Only had it a couple days, but so far, so good!
ShermCraig said:
Here's what I decided on (for those that are interested).
LOVEHANDLE
Customize your smartphone with Lovehandle phone grips and accessories. Choose from swappable designs and colors that integrate functionality with your unique style.
www.amazon.com
It comes with an extra piece of adhesive that allows it to stick well to my phone. Only had it a couple days, but so far, so good!
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I know this is old but if you're looking for the flozu (as i was and ended up here) there is the same style on amazon. https://a.co/d/fQVbFAp
Thank you! I did see those but opted for the Lovehandle. The main difference in my estimation is the Lovehandle is a bit thicker, but I can still easily use wireless chargers. Thanks again!