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New kind of glass for phones

This is very cool. It's a glass that eliminates glare.
http://gizmodo.com/5854321/amazing-invisible-glass-kills-glare-dead

This would be cool I think

We need this on our phones. Probably 5-6 years till it is the industry standard.
Although, at the moment, I'm sure there's a catch to it.

This is great news...screen glare is the biggest issue I have with phones. Even more so than battery life.

sygeek said:
We need this on our phones. Probably 5-6 years till it is the industry standard.
Although, at the moment, I'm sure there's a catch to it.
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I hope not. From the way it sounded, it may well be a film to apply over the glass. But how you would apply it to the underside...it's likely a factory applied item. Had it been a single-sided application, they could sell it as a film for purchase separately.

hope its strong as Gorilla Glass..

Woah, it's a very interesting thing! I hope to see it on phones in short time!

Hope it's tough as well, and scratch resistant; anti-glare is not such an unbearable issue in the colder countries!

Looks interesting, but do you guys really have a problem with reflections? I only notice it when my screen's off.

Sounds like great technology. Not just for phones either- most types of electronic displays would benefit from this. You can still get glare even when you are indoors, depending on where the windows are.

Really cool!
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Not really that important, you can find on e-bay an anti-glare screen protractor (Actually they get scratched easily, you need to buy anther transparent screen protector to protect it? lol)

Cool! it makes viewing a display more pleasant, reduces eyestrain, and sharpens the picture..

less glare can only be a good thing IMO.
maybe we'll see this combined with the new "lotus glass" that Corning is working on.
cant post the link, sorry D:

neuTrue said:
Not really that important, you can find on e-bay an anti-glare screen protractor (Actually they get scratched easily, you need to buy anther transparent screen protector to protect it? lol)
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And for those exact reasons, this is better.

upichie said:
And for those exact reasons, this is better.
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I can't see why you can't do DIY way, open your phone, attach the anti-glare film under your Gorilla glass. Now, enjoy it (without any side-effects).

neuTrue said:
I can't see why you can't do DIY way, open your phone, attach the anti-glare film under your Gorilla glass. Now, enjoy it (without any side-effects).
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Placing it behind the glass may not give the desired results, and will probably still reduce sensitivity (depending on your phone).

upichie said:
Placing it behind the glass may not give the desired results, and will probably still reduce sensitivity (depending on your phone).
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Well, this is an arguable matter. The only way we can prove it is by trying it.
Nether I, nether you will give it a try as a guess. So, lets not get out of this topic.

truly amazing how much technology is bringing us all these kinds of wonderful things. Hope to see this on a phone near my hand very soon

Sorry, im spam...

Ok, talk me out of buying this: Rhino Shield.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1081571316/rhino-shield-the-impact-resistant-screen-protector
I have said before that people who think the Nexus 4 is fragile are just irresponsible and don't know how to mind their phones...
... then I dropped the phone in my backyard. On grass. While in a TPU S-case. The screen cracked and the digitizer was unresponsive.
$120, a toolkit, and a YouTube video later; I've got a repaired phone. When I leave my house, my phone always rests in a case, whether S-case, Poetic Palette, or Poetic Slimbook. And these cases always add a noticeable amount of bulk.
I'd love to be able to use the phone caseless, but I don't want to shell out another $120 and spend another evening replacing the screen.
So... I'd be very grateful if someone would please explain to me why I shouldn't buy this. Tell me why it doesn't provide drop protection. Or that the phone would still break from a 5 foot fall into concrete. Tell me that the coverage means nothing and that edge protection is necessary if the event of a drop.
Or... you can tell me that this screen protector provides as much protection as the Poetic Palette/Rearth Ringke
I'm only asking for real advice, because I really want to go caseless, and if the Rhino Shield provides adequate drop protection, I will. 2x0.29 mm isn't too thick (0.58 mm for our slow friends) and is certainly thinner than any case possible.
P.S. If the Kickstarter is cancelled, everyone gets their money back (no scam).

I have a question.
when your phone dropped (with the S TPU) you didn't have any screen protector on?

shmizan said:
I have a question.
when your phone dropped (with the S TPU) you didn't have any screen protector on?
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I did not have a screen protector on.
More and extraneous detail: I had just gotten the phone replaced, as my first N4 had a faulty radio that consistently dropped cellular data. With my replacement, I left the packing film on the back, but removed the front film.
When I dropped the phone, it landed on it's back. Somehow, only the front cracked. The back remains pristine, though I have since removed that packing film.

there's your answer. put the film back on. you're welcome.

azik said:
there's your answer. put the film back on. you're welcome.
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I'm not sure if you're being facetious or you truly don't understand the point of my thread...
This Kickstarter is for a very durable screen protector that appears resilient against single point impact. However, I don't know how it fares against an actual drop. I'm particularly interested in how it would do against concrete.
I'd be very interested in using my phone without a case, and this specific screen protector boasts significantly more protection than a standard screen protector. Watch the video. Spoiler: a 255g ball bearing is dropped from 48cm onto a Gorilla Glass 2 panel with Rhino Shield and escapes intact. The same bearing is then dropped from a mere 9cm onto the same glass panel which is now using a "standard" screen protector. This time, the screen cracks all over.
However, someone who has more experience in industrial design or phone durability may be able to dispel the Rhino Shield claims. Maybe their test was not representative of an actual drop. Maybe edge protection is far more important.
One thing is certain about your advice... I'm not going to heed it!
Edit: this video is a more direct comparison, using a real phone this time. It seems very impressive, but I'm still concerned about hire important edge protection is in the case of a real world drop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk70XEYk53Y
Edit 2: this video actually had drop results and they seem promising. I'm going to bite the bullet and get one. I'll try to remember to update this thread in the future if my phone breaks. If I don't, assume it hasn't! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=humEMjHElG0

so basically it's a product similar to wrapsol and ~5 $ cheaper

I was joking actually but thanks for the info

AW: Ok, talk me out of buying this: Rhino Shield.
That would be seriously nice if the Kids were playing on my Device!
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shmizan said:
so basically it's a product similar to wrapsol and ~5 $ cheaper
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Ahh, now there's a helpful post. I looked up Wrapsol protectors and found this review on Amazon:
the product was delivered very quick almost 5 days faster than expected. I bought this product on amazon since they stopped selling them in my local walmart. Couldn't be happier the full screen protector is the way to go since you get full protection with minimal size increase. I have dropped my phone probably over 150 times over the past year with this wrapsol full screen protector on it and it has yet to crack any of those times (including tile, terrazzo, and concrete).
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I've looked at the other reviews, for all kinds of iPhones, and found that Wrapsol protectors stretch over time. I really hope this doesn't happen to Rhino Shield, but I'll just make them give me a new one if that happens. I mean, it would be pretty messed up if you got a screen protector, and after a year it misaligned to the point of function loss.

I saw a post today (on another forum) about someone dropping a nexus 4 with wrapsol on it- he got out of a car and forgot the phone was on his lap, and he says the screen shattered at 3 different places.
in my opinion, these types of screen protectors may help as long as the phone doesn't fall on one of its corners.

Amazer already has one of these
http://www.amzer.com/Amzer-ShatterProof-Screen-Protector-Front-Coverage-P95221.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsxl1bRTldo

their brick test is incredible...
however, the rhino is about half the price

I'm not sure how similar the rhino shield is compared to invisible shield but I've been using that on all my phones for a long time and can tell you that even on corner drops I have not had a single cracked screen. I got the full body shield installed by the guy at the mall selling it for $35. I think you can buy it without someone installing it for less.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

a-a said:
their brick test is incredible...
however, the rhino is about half the price
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Again, I'm quite skeptical about the rigor of these companies' testing methods. I just don't feel like the hammer and bricks tests represent real life hazards to phones. They should perform a drop test onto a hard surface, and repeat dropping until the glass shatters or they show that the screen protector really is shatterproof. I'd love to see a worst case scenario from a set of 100 trials.
From what I see if specs, Rhino is at least 50% thicker than similar shatterproof film. I just wish Rhino would release chemical info of the polymer that used
I already gave Rhino Shield my USD$24, though.

I think I am in for one
I am waiting at home for the Fed Ex truck to arrive with my repaired Nexus 4. Dropped it from 1.5 feet onto the tile in my bathroom and the front screen shattered and the digitizer stopped working. I would love to see this in a drop test but those videos look impressive. My fault for not having a case on it yet but it is ridiculous how fragile this phone is. I don't understand how Google and LG Engineering would allow this out the door like this. I could easily see some sort of class action lawsuit coming over the build robustness and I will be sure to sign up if/when it happens to get some of that $140 repair bill back. I am going to contribute to this kickstarter. Looks like they are getting close to their goal.

NikolasM said:
I am waiting at home for the Fed Ex truck to arrive with my repaired Nexus 4. Dropped it from 1.5 feet onto the tile in my bathroom and the front screen shattered and the digitizer stopped working. I would love to see this in a drop test but those videos look impressive. My fault for not having a case on it yet but it is ridiculous how fragile this phone is. I don't understand how Google and LG Engineering would allow this out the door like this. I could easily see some sort of class action lawsuit coming over the build robustness and I will be sure to sign up if/when it happens to get some of that $140 repair bill back. I am going to contribute to this kickstarter. Looks like they are getting close to their goal.
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Everyone knows they bought a glass frint/back phone, I doubt there's going to be a class action lawsuit... Lol
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Where/how do you order one?

ClintRhodes said:
Where/how do you order one?
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You can either back them on Kickstarter and choose the Nexus 4 front and back protector as a 'reward' (costs £16 to get that reward).
Alternatively you can wait for it to come into production and buy it just like any other product.

It sounds good. I might back it.
How do you all think this compares to the Fantom 4 tempered glass screen protectors? I was thinking of getting one of those.

Hung0702 said:
I'm not sure if you're being facetious or you truly don't understand the point of my thread...
This Kickstarter is for a very durable screen protector that appears resilient against single point impact. However, I don't know how it fares against an actual drop. I'm particularly interested in how it would do against concrete.
I'd be very interested in using my phone without a case, and this specific screen protector boasts significantly more protection than a standard screen protector. Watch the video. Spoiler: a 255g ball bearing is dropped from 48cm onto a Gorilla Glass 2 panel with Rhino Shield and escapes intact. The same bearing is then dropped from a mere 9cm onto the same glass panel which is now using a "standard" screen protector. This time, the screen cracks all over.
However, someone who has more experience in industrial design or phone durability may be able to dispel the Rhino Shield claims. Maybe their test was not representative of an actual drop. Maybe edge protection is far more important.
One thing is certain about your advice... I'm not going to heed it!
Edit: this video is a more direct comparison, using a real phone this time. It seems very impressive, but I'm still concerned about hire important edge protection is in the case of a real world drop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk70XEYk53Y
Edit 2: this video actually had drop results and they seem promising. I'm going to bite the bullet and get one. I'll try to remember to update this thread in the future if my phone breaks. If I don't, assume it hasn't! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=humEMjHElG0
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i posted in the rhino thread about the edge not being protected so there's not a lot of real drop protection. Im not and expert on phone design but if you take a look at your phones or videos of drop test, esp. the ones in slow mo, you can see that on a flat surface the phone will impact the edges most of the time. There's lots of pics of phones with shattered screens and the ones from drops usually are cracked from an edge or corner. the Nexus 4 is going to be worst than other phones because the screen curves around the bezel exposing more glass in a vulnerable area that is not covered by the screen protector. If you want drop protection get a case with lip around the screen. Get a screen protector if you dont want scratches.
Android001 said:
You can either back them on Kickstarter and choose the Nexus 4 front and back protector as a 'reward' (costs £16 to get that reward).
Alternatively you can wait for it to come into production and buy it just like any other product.
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backing a kickstarter will not guarantee you get anything, most fail even the ones with enough backing and there's no refunds with kickstarter. You are also getting an untested product until someone can get it and verify the manufacture's claims.

$6 GLAStR Tempered Glass

http://youtu.be/q-0m4BBLVs8
I bought one for $9 but noticed that the seller on ebay has reduced the price to $5.87.
I'm not sure if it's fake, but I suspect most of these are manufactured in the same place.
The screen protector came in a plain brown box with no dust cloth or alcohol wipe, but I didn't pay $39 and those extras aren't worth that much upcharge.
The printed instructions on the packaging say, "GLAStR" but I suspect it could be fake. In any case, it works just as well as the real one and for $6-$9 I can replace it at any time and not be worried about the cost.

cool... easy install... link??? (i couldn't find it)
SGS5

kanyewest said:
cool... easy install... link??? (i couldn't find it)
SGS5
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am i allowed to post direct ebay links?
look for tempered glass screen protector and sort by price going from lowest to highest. It should be a US based seller in San Francisco.

kanyewest said:
cool... easy install... link??? (i couldn't find it)
SGS5
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...l_Phone_Screen_Protectors&hash=item2339280080

Well, just bought...should be here next tuesday, will update then...only thing I wish the video showed (since I'm not familiar with tempered glass) is the actual use of it after installed with them swiping and selecting stuff

Dennisg34 said:
Well, just bought...should be here next tuesday, will update then...only thing I wish the video showed (since I'm not familiar with tempered glass) is the actual use of it after installed with them swiping and selecting stuff
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Sorry, I didn't post that part because I like to keep my videos short and to the point.
But to answer your concerns, it feels just like a regular screen without screen protectors.
That's the benefit of glass and the clarity is unmatched.
I hate sticky screen protectors like skinomi and xtreme guard and don't like the tackiness on those types.
Dry install ones like Spigen are what I usually used, but even those eventually start to show scratches and dont have complete clarity.

seoulbrova said:
Sorry, I didn't post that part because I like to keep my videos short and to the point.
But to answer your concerns, it feels just like a regular screen without screen protectors.
That's the benefit of glass and the clarity is unmatched.
I hate sticky screen protectors like skinomi and xtreme guard and don't like the tackiness on those types.
Dry install ones like Spigen are what I usually used, but even those eventually start to show scratches and dont have complete clarity.
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Oh wow, didn't even know that was you in the video! Assumed it was a random guy posting it lol. But ok, sweet thanks for the info! Yeah i currently have the cheap (but still $13 at Verizon..I know, i forgot to order online with my case ahead of time of getting the phone) flimsy ones that no matter how hard i try seem to get a bubble or two

Great video and very helpfull.

I can confirm that these ARE THE SAME AS SGPs GLAStR, it is from the same factory :good:
How do I know? I have the sample sitting on my desk :laugh:

Whitestone dome. 2 thumbs down.

Honestly I don't care if you have a dome and it's the best ever. This is my experience with the dome. Sum it up. Low quality trash. Brand New sealed ordered from Whitestone out of the box it had a pretty deep scrach in it. And for how much junk Zagg is at least there product does not come out of the box scrached. Attached is an image under magnification.
Check out the glass before you install and before you remove your current protector. You are not buying quality here. I had high expectations for this but after this I'll just go back to brands that preform simple steps in quality control.
Lots of people are pleased. I for one say a scratch out of the box of a new product at this price point is 100% un acceptable. And this is the only brand that I seen this in. In my experience this is the lowest quality glass out for the note 9. Yeah Zagg has some poor design choices like edge adhesive and on the elite the black borders. But the glass is flawless and clear. Unlike this Whitestone.
If you can't spot a scratch that deep I now question the quality of the optical adhesive they use. I work in the optoelectronics industry. I use optical adhesive pretty often so I'm going to check out the other tube and see how it stacks up against the stuff I use.
Full review will cover the unboxing, install as well as that moment that I discover that scrach with my reaction lol. Also high res images of the scratch along with precise mesurements of it. And why I have it at work I'll be going more into the glass using some of the equipment we have here.
If the dome you got is flawless that's great. I'm happy for you. However that's not my experience with this product. my review is a sample size of 1. There are way they could of protected the glass like other manufacturer's do but they cut that corner and lowered product quality to keep cost down. After all the reviews I bought with confidence and received a damaged product. I have contacted Whitestone about this but I will say that Zagg offered to send out a elite free to replace the one I took off and said that I should not be punished for buying into the hype and the note 9 deserves a quality product to protect the best display on a smartphone. That says alot about Zagg by eliminating the shipping. We will see how Whitestone handles this. If they send out a replacement that is a representation of what others have prazed I would be more then happy. But I think they are going to try and play the pay to ship that back, then pay for shipping on another product so we can ring even more money out of you. But sorry guys. You burned me one time. You won't burn me again.
Again. I haven't seen anyone else with this issue. As far as I know this is a single case. There may be more who knows but I'll be 100% honest in this. The picture was taken under magnification to show it's not just a scratch in the oleophobic coating. From a picture you can't feel the scratch catch your finger nail when you rub it. If Whitestone decides to take care of this issue I will update this post with how they handled it and there response. Until then for all those who are ocd about there displays. This is what a scratch looks like.
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Whitestone is in communication on how to make this right. I have discovered another issue. This is with the oleophobic coating. One spot has some heat damage. I sent them this picture to see how this could happen in there process.
Working in the optoelectronics industry for years. I look forward to offering them some input on how to keep things like these from hurting there brand to new potential customers. First product from them and as of right now the last. I pay for the premium product I demand a premium product. I will keep this update with there solution on this matter and what they think can cause the issues.
The scratch I believe was cased when after inspection when placed in the bag. The bag is not optics quality and being so is may contain debris. Example out air cans we use are not normal dust cans. They are filtered to sub micron purity. There's quality and then optical quality. When placed in the bag the scratch was formed. Protective film would ensure that never happens or optical quality bags. Corner was cut and the product suffered. That's a fact. As for the oleophobic coating. I would need more info on there production line. I have a theory of what could cause that. I have seen similar issues with microscope optical coatings on production equipment.
So far they have replied quickly and seem eager to make things right and assure me that the product meets there quality standards.
I think when finished I will have the most in depth review of this. Since I had to take it to work for pictures I was able to test the included adhesive, cure light optical power and make exact cure times required for a full proper cure. Mesure the thickness of the adhesive layer under the glass and other stuff. It's probably going to be about a 30-45min video I will post on YouTube. If interested I am willing to do the same for other protectors if there is interest. Since most reviews are just stick it on and it fits so it must be the best. We can dive into things a bit more and actually look at the product.
Update.
Told to use the warranty form online. Pictures were sent to there hq in Korea. They made a coupon code that will wave the shipping. Excellent support.

User error.

bignazpwns said:
Honestly I don't care if you have a dome and it's the best ever. This is my experience with the dome. Sum it up. Low quality trash. Brand New sealed ordered from Whitestone out of the box it had a pretty deep scrach in it. And for how much junk Zagg is at least there product does not come out of the box scrached.
Check out the glass before you install and before you remove your current protector. You are not buying quality here. I had high expectations for this but after this I'll just go back to brands that preform simple steps in quality control.
Lots of people are pleased. I for one say a scratch out of the box of a new product at this price point is 100% un acceptable. And this is the only brand that I seen this in. In my experience this is the lowest quality glass out for the note 9. Yeah Zagg has some poor design choices like edge adhesive and on the elite the black borders. But the glass is flawless and clear. Unlike this Whitestone.
If you can't spot a scratch that deep I now question the quality of the optical adhesive they use. I work in the optoelectronics industry. I use optical adhesive pretty often so I'm going to check out the other tube and see how it stacks up against the stuff I use.
Full review will cover the unboxing, install as well as that moment that I discover that scrach with my reaction lol. Also high res images of the scratch along with precise mesurements of it. And why I have it at work I'll be going more into the glass using some of the equipment we have here.
If the dome you got is flawless that's great. I'm happy for you. However that's not my experience with this product. my review is a sample size of 1. There are way they could of protected the glass like other manufacturer's do but they cut that corner and lowered product quality to keep cost down. After all the reviews I bought with confidence and received a damaged product. I have contacted Whitestone about this but I will say that Zagg offered to send out a elite free to replace the one I took off and said that I should not be punished for buying into the hype and the note 9 deserves a quality product to protect the best display on a smartphone. That says alot about Zagg by eliminating the shipping. We will see how Whitestone handles this. If they send out a replacement that is a representation of what others have prazed I would be more then happy. But I think they are going to try and play the pay to ship that back, then pay for shipping on another product so we can ring even more money out of you. But sorry guys. You burned me one time. You won't burn me again.
Again. I haven't seen anyone else with this issue. As far as I know this is a single case. There may be more who knows but I'll be 100% honest in this. The picture was taken under magnification to show it's not just a scratch in the oleophobic coating. From a picture you can't feel the scratch catch your finger nail when you rub it. If Whitestone decides to take care of this issue I will update this post with how they handled it and there response. Until then for all those who are ocd about there displays. This is what a scratch looks like.
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Mine was scratched pretty deeply as well out of the box. I just don't feel like going through the installation process again, so I guess I'll just keep it as long as I can without it driving me crazy.
I advise everyone to inspect the glass of the protector before installing.
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User error because there was a scratch?? You sound like a troll.

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I'm sorry to hear that. It's not hard to put on. Maybe next time you would take your time and you won't have user error.
Update they messaged me me back seeing how we can fix this. I told them what I think caused this on there end but I have another issue and asked them about there quality control. Needed info as if I tell my subs to buy something it's of quality. No excuses for this.
I'm not mad about the scratch. Gave me content and for the first time ever the dome is getting looked at. And if we cannot get crazy I can fire up the Scanning electron microscope and we can dive into it lol.
Just for reference. Was your scratch 1/4 inch under the bixby button and to the right 1/4 inch going vertically?

bignazpwns said:
I'm sorry to hear that. It's not hard to put on. Maybe next time you would take your time and you won't have user error.
Update they messaged me me back seeing how we can fix this. I told them what I think caused this on there end but I have another issue and asked them about there quality control. Needed info as if I tell my subs to buy something it's of quality. No excuses for this.
I'm not mad about the scratch. Gave me content and for the first time ever the dome is getting looked at. And if we cannot get crazy I can fire up the Scanning electron microscope and we can dive into it lol.
Just for reference. Was your scratch 1/4 inch under the bixby button and to the right 1/4 inch going vertically?
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Scan the note 9 screen with the electron microscope. Would like to see pics .
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Limeybastard said:
Scan the note 9 screen with the electron microscope. Would like to see pics .
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People are using our Scanning electron right now but here are some high magnification images from out just microscope.

bignazpwns said:
People are using our Scanning electron right now but here are some high magnification images from out just microscope.
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That's amazing. Any chance in showing some glass defects?
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bignazpwns said:
People are using our Scanning electron right now but here are some high magnification images from out just microscope.
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One more

Limeybastard said:
That's amazing. Any chance in showing some glass defects?
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What kind of defects do you wanna see?

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What kind of defects do you wanna see?
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Factory ones. Ones that the eye cannot see. Perhaps in the glass areas and also th frame . Especially the area where the glass meets the frame , the so called gap.
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Limeybastard said:
Factory ones. Ones that the eye cannot see. Perhaps in the glass areas and also th frame . Especially the area where the glass meets the frame , the so called gap.
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Yeah I'll get see I day or two and I'll start a thread for it.

My experience from the Dome Glass... I ordered the 2 Pack from Amazon, I got the package a little bit wet from the LOCA glue. I successfully installed the glass on my N9, but it had a small scratch on it that I noticed after I turned on the UV light to dry the glue. After about one week little cracks appeared in the glue I contact Amazon and they replaced it (had to sent it back). Now I have the new one on my screen for 3 weeks and everything is good. I hope it will stay that way.
When it works it's the best screen protector I have ever had (and I had them all).

liamR said:
My experience from the Dome Glass... I ordered the 2 Pack from Amazon, I got the package a little bit wet from the LOCA glue. I successfully installed the glass on my N9, but it had a small scratch on it that I noticed after I turned on the UV light to dry the glue. After about one week little cracks appeared in the glue I contact Amazon and they replaced it (had to sent it back). Now I have the new one on my screen for 3 weeks and everything is good. I hope it will stay that way.
When it works it's the best screen protector I have ever had (and I had them all).
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There support was fast. From what I seen I rate this a 3 on a scale to 5. The oleophobic coating is absolutely trash. But we'll see how it is on the replacement since I know there is a defect in this units coating. I'll give my final opinion on it when the replacement comes in and will compare the quality of the glass and coating to some other brands.

Question What color did you pick?

Putting up a poll out of sheer curiosity.

Since these phones need a case, any dark color works fine.
Without a case they will get TKOed... have one from day one.

blackhawk said:
Since these phones need a case, any dark color works fine.
Without a case they will get TKOed... have one from day one.
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Yeah I plan on ordering a case for mine ASAP. I just need to figure out what one I want. I love the low-profile feel of my N10+ 5G when I don't have the case, but I'll admit that I've broken the digitizer a few times. Thank you for insurance and $39 LCD/Digitizer replacements. Haha

I was torn for the longest time, black or burgandy. In the end, black was my choice. Can't go wrong with black. And coming from the blue note 9, I missed black phones.

eaoosa said:
I was torn for the longest time, black or burgandy. In the end, black was my choice. Can't go wrong with black. And coming from the blue note 9, I missed black phones.
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I've had the N10 in Aura Glow, White, and Black. I thought I would pick black, but the burgundy looks so good.

I have the Graphite on pre-order

vpr5703 said:
Yeah I plan on ordering a case for mine ASAP. I just need to figure out what one I want. I love the low-profile feel of my N10+ 5G when I don't have the case, but I'll admit that I've broken the digitizer a few times. Thank you for insurance and $39 LCD/Digitizer replacements. Haha
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Eventually Zizo will have a case. That's all I use on my N10+'s. Zero damage in spite of a dozen drops onto concrete. The Bolt provides full face plant protection which also helps holding the phone and accidental touches. A good case makes the phone easier to use. Pay special attention to the protection given to the spen corner as these are corner hitting phones when dropped... that is if it doesn't face plant
The problem is any impact that can damage the display, frame rail or rear cover can also take out the mobo, cam, etc. The mobo and cams are especially susceptible and intolerant to high G loading impacts and board flexing. What seems like minor damage can get very expensive and/or erratic behavior, failures.

Samsung has some clear cases on pre-order right now, with and without a kickstand. I will probably get one of those.

blackhawk said:
Eventually Zizo will have a case. That's all I use on my N10+'s. Zero damage in spite of a dozen drops onto concrete. The Bolt provides full face plant protection which also helps holding the phone and accidental touches. A good case makes the phone easier to use. Pay special attention to the protection given to the spen corner as these are corner hitting phones when dropped... that is if it doesn't face plant
The problem is any impact that can damage the display, frame rail or rear cover can also take out the mobo, cam, etc. The mobo and cams are especially susceptible and intolerant to high G loading impacts and board flexing. What seems like minor damage can get very expensive and/or erratic behavior, failures.
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yeah with the mechanical OIS that doesn't surprise me at all. That and lenses require pretty precise alignment as well. And all of the phones I've damaged have been from face plants....The rear has only been cracked once after I rolled onto it working under my car.

I went with black. I ordered the Spigen Rugged Armor and Tough Armor in black.

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yeah with the mechanical OIS that doesn't surprise me at all. That and lenses require pretty precise alignment as well. And all of the phones I've damaged have been from face plants....The rear has only been cracked once after I rolled onto it working under my car.
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I've been lucky with face plants as most were on level surfaces and it landed on the case guard. A couple drops though did catch the display, once the factory screen protector and a couple of times Gorilla IQ Sheild.
Both protected the display from a sure marring.
It's impossible to completely protect the display but you can do an adequate job most times.
The case should be slightly higher than the display on the sides and even higher on the ends.

Nghtmare said:
Samsung has some clear cases on pre-order right now, with and without a kickstand. I will probably get one of those.
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Hard polycarbonate doesn't absorb much energy from an impact.. if it doesn't absorb it, it can transfer it to the device. Good for scratch protection but a good corner hit on concrete will not be pretty.

blackhawk said:
I've been lucky with face plants as most were on level surfaces and it landed on the case guard. A couple drops though did catch the display, once the factory screen protector and a couple of times Gorilla IQ Sheild.
Both protected the display from a sure marring.
It's impossible to completely protect the display but you can do an adequate job most times.
The case should be slightly higher than the display on the sides and even higher on the ends.
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The worst part about this situation? I worked in a cell phone store as a flippin' repair tech for 6 1/2 years. If anyone should know better...It's me. LOL

vpr5703 said:
The worst part about this situation? I worked in a cell phone store as a flippin' repair tech for 6 1/2 years. If anyone should know better...It's me. LOL
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Lol, you're desensitized
The incredible amount of trouble a damaged or lost flagship phone would cause keeps me in check.

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Hard polycarbonate doesn't absorb much energy from an impact.. if it doesn't absorb it, it can transfer it to the device. Good for scratch protection but a good corner hit on concrete will not be pretty.
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In my opinion Spigen prices have increase a lot since the last time I bought from them. I want a clear case to show the Graphite colour.

I love the way the Burgundy looks. It's almost a shame to have to cover it up with a case.

Nghtmare said:
In my opinion Spigen prices have increase a lot since the last time I bought from them. I want a clear case to show the Graphite colour.
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I hear you but I think functionality and survivability are more important. The cost in time and aggravation outweigh the pretty face.
So all I look for is a dark colored phone to blend with the case. You could get a graphite grey case...

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I hear you but I think functionality and survivability are more important. The cost in time and aggravation outweigh the pretty face.
So all I look for is a dark colored phone to blend with the case. You could get a graphite grey case...
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Never mind, I went to the US website to check if they had any earlier today. I just found them on Amazon UK, and for some reason they are charging US people almost double. For example the Tough Armor is £19 here, and 45 dollars in the US. So I might buy 1 besides the Samsung case to check it out.

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Lol, you're desensitized
The incredible amount of trouble a damaged or lost flagship phone would cause keeps me in check.
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At least I've got insurance via Verizon. It's paid for itself about 3 times now.

Nghtmare said:
In my opinion Spigen prices have increase a lot since the last time I bought from them. I want a clear case to show the Graphite colour.
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You ordered an S22 Ultra and a $16 Spigen case is expensive? Okay then.
Spigen Rugged Armor
Spigen Tough Armor