Have anyone used CoverScreen OS or Samsprung in Z Flip 3? Which one do you think is better and which one is safer?
Edit : I decided to close the poll so that this thread will not be biased to one side. Let's just share the features and differences between both products and let anyone decide their own choice.
WilliamN40 said:
Have anyone used CoverScreen OS or Samsprung in Z Flip 3? Which one do you think is better and which one is safer?
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Interesting question
It's difficult to answer because they are both under development and not finished apps
I am trying both of them and both craches from time to time, but as mentioned, beta versions
Personally I prefer Samsprung, there are news every day (several times usually) and I think it's really great, and well done job
Cover OS is way out of proportions regarding price, too expensive for a none working app, and also if it's working
At any time I would go for Samsprung
Just my opinion
Both developers have done a great job! thanks to them!
I'd also go with Samsprung. Way better support, updates, more features ect. The developer is also very responsive.
Cover Os has just entered Beta status and has a price tag that is obnoxious. Yes, i understand lots or blood, tears and work has gone into it, but as it still is, half baked software, the price is out of this world. We have to pay for something that we are testing, no thanks.
i'm totally fine paying when things are up and running as should, and i encourage both developers to put a price for their work. But as of now, no.
Of course Samsprung...
Do a poll, it'll answer you...
A few weeks ago I would have said CoveScreen OS, but the SamSpring suddenly took lead and I now find it superior.
The navbar, the customizable app launcher, keyboard(!), no features behind paywall, compatibility with stock widgets, super quick and responsive developer. It's an easy choice for me.
It's all wrong, trying to compare 2 apps trying to do different things - they are both in beta and developing very fast.
We are very lucky to have 2 very talented developers making that [ex-factory useless screen] into something geniunely useful.
Try each one - for a couple of days, not for 5 minutes. Then you have to reach your own conclusion.
And don't consider pricing for the moment, only once it/they are out of beta.
Please don't make a poll, that could impact development of one of the apps.
paul c said:
It's all wrong, trying to compare 2 apps trying to do different things - they are both in beta and developing very fast.
We are very lucky to have 2 very talented developers making that [ex-factory useless screen] into something geniunely useful.
Try each one - for a couple of days, not for 5 minutes. Then you have to reach your own conclusion.
And don't consider pricing for the moment, only once it/they are out of beta.
Please don't make a poll, that could impact development of one of the apps.
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I agree with you 100% it's not fair on anyone to choose one or the other, there was a time when the moderators would have taken down a post such as this.
In my opinion this is a valid question.
Should you pay blindly for something that might not function correctly (beta) and you cannot test fully to see if it fills your needs.
or test something that is fully free and you can test all features and if they fills your needs.
But of course, test both. one you can test fully, the other you can.
BWA80 said:
In my opinion this is a valid question.
Should you pay blindly for something that might not function correctly (beta) and you cannot test fully to see if it fills your needs.
or test something that is fully free and you can test all features and if they fills your needs.
But of course, test both. one you can test fully, the other you can.
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IMO since both are in development it's too early to even make a comparison. Both apps are moving very fast, so stability and functionality are not comparable. They are both moving targets at the moment
Maybe after both of their general availability, since then they are notionally stable.
If you're commenting about the subscription policy of one of them, I have tested its free version and haven't felt constrained. And there is no way that those values would fly in the Google Play universe, so I really doubt they are definitive values (time will tell, just my thoughts).
But still, once they are released and updates are incremental, why not run a poll.
Both applications interest me. I have only tried Coverscreen OS as I use Samsung Health persistently. I'm following both threads at present. Kudos to both developers
Bosbouer said:
Both applications interest me. I have only tried Coverscreen OS as I use Samsung Health persistently. I'm following both threads at present. Kudos to both developers
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You don't need to uninstall Health anymore
Yeah don't need to uninstall on Android 12
Snurrea said:
You don't need to uninstall Health anymore
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Thank you for this! Much appreciated.
I'm brand new to this phone and kinda not impressed with it (so far)..I'm a serious gadget nerd, so the flip/fold tech played too big a part in my decision to get it..I'd watched a samsprung video before I'd bought it so did expect a lot more use of the front screen than I get at the minute...like I said I am new to it so hoping to like it more the more I get to do with it but a quick question about samsprung, can it be used on android 12 or no? I updated the phone soon as I got it, then started seeing that it can't be used with A12!? Is there a way/work around?
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I'm brand new to this phone and kinda not impressed with it (so far)..I'm a serious gadget nerd, so the flip/fold tech played too big a part in my decision to get it..I'd watched a samsprung video before I'd bought it so did expect a lot more use of the front screen than I get at the minute...like I said I am new to it so hoping to like it more the more I get to do with it but a quick question about samsprung, can it be used on android 12 or no? I updated the phone soon as I got it, then started seeing that it can't be used with A12!? Is there a way/work around?
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SamSprung TooUI - Cover Screen Home (FREE) [ZF3]
Welcome to the original "Z Flip 3 Launcher" A complete home experience on the cover screen. Compatible with all current "Flip" devices. TooUI adds cover screen support for apps, full notifications, widgets, quick toggles, voice launch, custom...
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Both are pretty cool and somehow useful. Personally I don't use them because I don't need them and everything I'd like to have is just some more widget on the stock cover screen. However we're pretty luck to have those two developers here.
CoverScreen OS ask for way too many permissions, some really strange, i was not to ever able to run it, so yes for Samsprung
For me, the UI/UX of CoverScreen OS is better.
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ok... here is the link to download.. http://www.mediafire.com/file/nynnnu0mjnn/Galaxy%20S.apk
I don't see it was on app section... Now, we can resolve the graphics issue??
So, I want to do a theme rom (for cyanogen 6) with Galaxy launcher, widget.. etc... someone want to help me??
p.s. **** all the people offend other people... if you don't like samsung galaxy S launcher go away from this 3d... open your door an go to walk in the street.... your life can be better...and your lard can go away....
p.p.s. I'm italian...so.. sorry for my poor poor english....but I know..you've understand...
Hi,
can someone port the launcher of Samsung S to our G1??
here is a link for the desire http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710951
or..if someone can say to me how do, I try to port..
dude just use ADW launcher and enable horizontal drawer
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dude just use ADW launcher and enable horizontal drawer
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I'm just using adw... I want the samsung S launcher for the backgrounds of the icons...
if adw in future release add this function would be cool (more that is now..)
I love ADW, but I want Samsung S launcher....or ADW with this mod (the icon)
personally i hate ADW i think its performance is subpar. launcher+ is a very very quick home but slightly lacking in features, why dont the XDA community trow together our own G1 optimized home app the way the people want it, Oh and yes we need a port of that Galaxy home.
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personally i hate ADW i think its performance is subpar. launcher+ is a very very quick home but slightly lacking in features, why dont the XDA community trow together our own G1 optimized home app the way the people want it, Oh and yes we need a port of that Galaxy home.
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ADW suffices. Anyone who "hates" ADW or thinks it's "sub-par" is not smart enough to explore all the settings. One checkbox could literally make the biggest difference. It has almost everything the touchwiz offers other than all the icons being iPhone like. With all these phones coming out, ive chosen to look forward, my g1 did me well but i'm actually getting a samsung vibrant because even though all these new things are constantly being ported to our G1's, it doesn't change the fact that the processor and hardware struggle to run it. It seems like an extensive metamorph to ADW would actually get you what you're looking for, so maybe learn how to make themes? Requesting this isn't a quick tedious task, if someone did take this challenge on it would end up being an extensive project before it was 100% stable.
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personally i hate ADW i think its performance is subpar. launcher+ is a very very quick home but slightly lacking in features, why dont the XDA community trow together our own G1 optimized home app the way the people want it, Oh and yes we need a port of that Galaxy home.
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Please elaborate on what you mean "our own"? and I wish it was as easy as "...trow together..." [sic]
AnderWebs has been really great with taking input from the community and created a respected and very useful launcher.
If you got the skills, by all means, make some competition. If you don't, be grateful for what has been developed in the community ( what was not provided by AOSP)
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ADW suffices. Anyone who "hates" ADW or thinks it's "sub-par" is not smart enough to explore all the settings. One checkbox could literally make the biggest difference. It has almost everything the touchwiz offers other than all the icons being iPhone like. With all these phones coming out, ive chosen to look forward, my g1 did me well but i'm actually getting a samsung vibrant because even though all these new things are constantly being ported to our G1's, it doesn't change the fact that the processor and hardware struggle to run it. It seems like an extensive metamorph to ADW would actually get you what you're looking for, so maybe learn how to make themes? Requesting this isn't a quick tedious task, if someone did take this challenge on it would end up being an extensive project before it was 100% stable.
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Oh screw you, i voice my opinion and you basically call me an idiot? typical. this is why i dont come here that often. its performance IS subpar when you look at something like launcher pro, which is lightning fast you wonder why developers arnt spending more time working on getting the core of the application functioning at optimal performance before adding as many features as they can to it. i know every in and out of ADW i am currently running it at the moment, im also running the Galaxy S home app and even that is better than ADW on the G1. Ive been in software development for a number of years and im the kind of person who writes intuitive user interfaces that little pups like you use so dont even consider telling me im "not smart enough" when im coming to the table with experience under my belt. This god complex that people around here seem to have needs to end. Custom rom development is supposed to be fun and a hobby. its totally unimportant in the grander forum of life and you need to remember that. Thank you to the developers who spend their free time making our toys and gizmos more fun to use.
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Please elaborate on what you mean "our own"? and I wish it was as easy as "...trow together..." [sic]
AnderWebs has been really great with taking input from the community and created a respected and very useful launcher.
If you got the skills, by all means, make some competition. If you don't, be grateful for what has been developed in the community ( what was not provided by AOSP)
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i ment take an existing open source home application and optimize it to our platform and add features that the people want rather than it being delegated by one person. Democratic development. (sorry for my rant by the way i was just getting tired of all the sycophants lording it up in a custom rom development forum, its just sad)
what you COULD temporarily do is turn on all of the screens for ADW Launcher place all of the apps on the homescreen and set the default to the first one? Idk I think it would somewhat match the look but not sure if it would suffice...
Here's some screenshots of what I mean:
Personally I find samsung's custom UI a hindrance to otherwise good hardware, and it's the thing that turns me off to the galaxy line of phones, but to each his own. I believe there are various themes that you can download to change the look of the icons out there and some tweaking plus that should do the trick.
On a sidenote I don't notice any real lag or slowness from ADW. There is sometimes a hickup when closing a big program and going back to the home screen or during an initial wakeup after being asleep for a while or when I'm heavily multitasking while using swap, but that's something I've observed in my g1 since we stopped getting officially supported updates and it happens whether I'm on launcher pro or adw or the stock launcher.
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Personally I find samsung's custom UI a hindrance to otherwise good hardware, and it's the thing that turns me off to the galaxy line of phones, but to each his own. I believe there are various themes that you can download to change the look of the icons out there and some tweaking plus that should do the trick.
On a sidenote I don't notice any real lag or slowness from ADW. There is sometimes a hickup when closing a big program and going back to the home screen or during an initial wakeup after being asleep for a while or when I'm heavily multitasking while using swap, but that's something I've observed in my g1 since we stopped getting officially supported updates and it happens whether I'm on launcher pro or adw or the stock launcher.
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I definitely agree, most home replacements these days run just fine when set up correctly and the Samsung Galaxy S set up requires that many more swipes to get to what I need but this just shows the extent of the customization behind ADW.
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Oh screw you, i voice my opinion and you basically call me an idiot? typical. this is why i dont come here that often. its performance IS subpar when you look at something like launcher pro, which blah
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be fun and a hobby. its totally unimportant in the grander forum of life and you need to remember that. Thank you to the developers who spend their free time making our toys and gizmos more fun to use.
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LauncherPro, for one, is not "lightning fast", on my G1 anyway. Takes nearly a minute to set each shortcut? With ADW you just click and drop. All of them may have their weaknesses here and there but my ADW is always lightning quick on any 2.1 ROM i use. And typically, people that have been in software development for YEARS and YEARS tend to develop what they want to meet their needs, not take part in a thread asking for someone to take their time and do it. I for one have not been in software development for YEARS and YEARS, so I just appreciate what's given to me. That's all, not flaming. Well kinda.
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LauncherPro, for one, is not "lightning fast", on my G1 anyway. Takes nearly a minute to set each shortcut? With ADW you just click and drop. All of them may have their weaknesses here and there but my ADW is always lightning quick on any 2.1 ROM i use. And typically, people that have been in software development for YEARS and YEARS tend to develop what they want to meet their needs, not take part in a thread asking for someone to take their time and do it. I for one have not been in software development for YEARS and YEARS, so I just appreciate what's given to me. That's all, not flaming. Well kinda.
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even your quote in the response was ignorant and now you look stupid, anyway its all personal preference. go back and test launcher pro because its the fastest one out there and it includes all the shortcuts that i want fron the get go, i was not offending you so you had no right to be offensive to me, if you're a prick people will be a prick back. you dont deserve a phone and i wish famine upon you.
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i ment take an existing open source home application and optimize it to our platform and add features that the people want rather than it being delegated by one person. Democratic development. (sorry for my rant by the way i was just getting tired of all the sycophants lording it up in a custom rom development forum, its just sad)
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Anderwebs took the aosp launcher and added the features the peoploe want. Its 100% open source and anybody can send source code pull request (cyanogen does it for example) or ask him for features (he added the real cool features after I forced him to)
Adding different home icons is 5 minute work. You wont eaven need source... Learn to do it yourself!
galaxy s launcher isn't hvga, so it's virtually impossible to port.
The only current samsung phone that IS hvga AND has that launcher is the samsung wave, which isn't even android.
Both the samsung acclaim and the sprint intercept have the stock-ish android launcher... no cool app drawer.
sorry folks.
Actually, is it possible to modify the build.prop on a rom and run at wvga? hm.... ima try.
TouchWiz
Never the mind
Im confused, dont we already have this in the app section ?
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Im, referring to the OP.
this thread is kickass!
personally i think that anderwebs (the creator of the Android Open Source Project, AOSP, as well as the ADW module for it) is a pretty cool guy. But this thread is about the Samsung S Launcher.
Well done that it isn't meant for our screens and would be almost impossible for the layman (but not anderwebs because he was co-founder to Android) to port. But OP I don't think this is gonna happen. I know I think the Samsung launcher is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen and I don't think I'm alone as there's very little interest atm.
LauncherPro is a cool guy but the dev doesn't share his work so automagically disregard that thought.
Ander webbs (ADW) is making the new version of his launcher right now. It will support theming and it will include a couple themes (most of the nice ones are going to be donate themes) but im sure a little after he releases it people will come out with some pretty cool themes for it and you might end up liking it better who knows? He said it would be out really soon so maybe tonight idk.
Had Xscope lite on my Nexus as the default browser. The reason I loved it was because of the look, it was "lite" unlike the other browsers like Opera (which do run faster) I liked xscope because the top bar was minimal and scrollable.
With this new version they COMPLETELY changed it! Now it has a watermark that reads "trial version" totally TACKY! And two navigation bars!!! How can they make such a drastic change?!
Needless to say uninstalled. Now going to try to find an apk for the older version.
SUCKS BALLS!
I was very surprise too this morning when i install this new update going back to previous one too.
Please let me know if you find the previous version.
why not just stop being cheap and help support the dev by buying the full one?
Just installed the trial and bought straight away - can't believe I missed this!
bryanchapman9999 said:
Just installed the trial and bought straight away - can't believe I missed this!
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I think the original version looks better. Luckily found the apk for the original version. Glad you like it though.
nopenope said:
why not just stop being cheap and help support the dev by buying the full one?
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because the browser isn't even one of the top 5 available.
the dev hasnt been shy about charging more than it is worth becuase google "takes too much"
the full version isn't worth the asking price
Aye, dolphin did the same thing.
The original one had a very simplistic tab bar, but now with the HD version you need to swipe all the way to the corner of the screen to call upon a stupid popup tab bar.
I need to find how to save old apks, anyone know which folder they're stored in?
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because the browser isn't even one of the top 5 available.
the dev hasnt been shy about charging more than it is worth becuase google "takes too much"
the full version isn't worth the asking price
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Because its not in the top 5? Name what you think is better. For me xScope blows every browser away..only thing close is Dolphin (non HD).
About the dev charging too much?...its three dollars? You could find that on the ground in one day. Damn...I mean damn do we (Android users) need to support our devs...look, I have to say this on a dev forum
Full version is worth the price to many, but in a few weeks all of the old features that are missing at this moment will be replaced. Wait and see...this browser is going to be so complete. It's already number one in my book.
yeah. Xscope 5 is the best browser available. Its a bit slow and laggy on Vibrant, but its still very good. V6 changed everything, i downgraded immediately to V5 and emailed developer to maybe try to change his mind and go back to developing V5 (some extra features, more optimization, but keep the GUI)
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yeah. Xscope 5 is the best browser available. Its a bit slow and laggy on Vibrant, but its still very good. V6 changed everything, i downgraded immediately to V5 and emailed developer to maybe try to change his mind and go back to developing V5 (some extra features, more optimization, but keep the GUI)
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Improvements to v6 will be coming from the dev. On my phone its running faster then the older version...by far! Instant back and forward, faster page loads, ..better everywhere. Dev said he will be adding in more features that were left out but it does take time. He needs to make sure he does it right, or there would be bugs.
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Improvements to v6 will be coming from the dev. On my phone its running faster then the older version...by far! Instant back and forward, faster page loads, ..better everywhere. Dev said he will be adding in more features that were left out but it does take time. He needs to make sure he does it right, or there would be bugs.
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Yeah it definitely loads pages faster, but accessing tabs is a little more of a pain in the ass. You can't have the tab bar open by itself, the stupid control bar always has to be open at the same time.
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yeah. Xscope 5 is the best browser available. Its a bit slow and laggy on Vibrant, but its still very good. V6 changed everything, i downgraded immediately to V5 and emailed developer to maybe try to change his mind and go back to developing V5 (some extra features, more optimization, but keep the GUI)
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Agree. He shouldn't have changed the UI and just improved functionality. A lot of people don't seem to be happy with the changes. I emailed him too. Hopefully he gets it.
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Agree. He shouldn't have changed the UI and just improved functionality. A lot of people don't seem to be happy with the changes. I emailed him too. Hopefully he gets it.
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probably he gets lots of email due to v6.....but he did respond to mine.
old paid version for free at xscope.net
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Agree. He shouldn't have changed the UI and just improved functionality. A lot of people don't seem to be happy with the changes. I emailed him too. Hopefully he gets it.
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Personally, I hope he keeps doing what he's doing.
Sure there are things that aren't in the new one that were in the old one (such as a custom user agent per favourite), but the dev. has already said the additional features are coming.
There may be some ppl who don't like the new look, but others do, and it seems a lot faster than the old one. It's a total re-write, so I'm sure he's coded it much better having learned some lessons.
But hey, I only supported the guy 6 months ago when I bought it, so I'm sure my opinion doesn't count as much as those who are freeloading the unpaid trial version...
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probably he gets lots of email due to v6.....but he did respond to mine.
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Yeah they emailed me back. You have to love these guys for their customer service. They hooked me up with the paid old version off of xscope dot net. Its a zip file so have to DL it to the PC. Works great! The world is good again!
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Personally, I hope he keeps doing what he's doing.
Sure there are things that aren't in the new one that were in the old one (such as a custom user agent per favourite), but the dev. has already said the additional features are coming.
There may be some ppl who don't like the new look, but others do, and it seems a lot faster than the old one. It's a total re-write, so I'm sure he's coded it much better having learned some lessons.
But hey, I only supported the guy 6 months ago when I bought it, so I'm sure my opinion doesn't count as much as those who are freeloading the unpaid trial version...
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Please pat yourself on the back on my behalf.
Is there a multi-window feature MOD for the asus tf700 . It is a feature in Samsung Galagxy Tab 10.1 and newly implemented in the new update of the JB in galaxy S3. I flashed a MOD in my Galaxy s2 and the feature works just fine . So is there any MOD for this feature in asus tf700 ??
I really need it in my tab.
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Is there a multi-window feature MOD for the asus tf700 . It is a feature in Samsung Galagxy Tab 10.1 and newly implemented in the new update of the JB in galaxy S3. I flashed a MOD in my Galaxy s2 and the feature works just fine . So is there any MOD for this feature in asus tf700 ??
I really need it in my tab.
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No, there is not, and there probably will not be. No non-Samsung device has ever been able to do it, so if this is mission critical for you, off to Samsung your dollars go.
MartyHulskemper said:
No, there is not, and there probably will not be. No non-Samsung device has ever been able to do it, so if this is mission critical for you, off to Samsung your dollars go.
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So, what exactly is it that makes this specific to Samsung devices?
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So, what exactly is it that makes this specific to Samsung devices?
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The framework. There's another thread going on about this already. I'm not going into a fork here.
Also, keep in mind what happened to Overskreen. That makes it higly unlikely that anyone is going to invest the immense time and resources needed until Google's stance on the matters softens.
EDIT_BY_INTERJECTION: forgot to say it's in the CleanROM Inheritance thread, as a feature request. And a no-no.
To specifically answer your question, by the way: I guess Samsung feels large and powerful enough to go against Google. Their partnership might help, I dunno.
It's not a technical thing in itself, as we have developers aboard that could pull this off. Hell, we have devs aboard trumping the engineers of the manufacturers themselves, so that says something. It's politics.
So, maybe a link to the other thread would be a more useful and appropriate response?
From your response, it's still not clear what makes this specific to Samsung devices, since all ROMs I've worked on contain a framework, and it clearly isn't specific to TouchWiz.
I realize that Google has quashed attempts at this in the past, specifically Overskreen, but the fact that there are working options out there could be indicative of a change in philosophy, perhaps?
As far as the CleanROM thread, all I saw was sbdags ask for a link and then you (in typical fashion) insert your option in a less than helpful manner. Humble up. If you don't plan on helping, I don't see why you would take the time to be unpleasant...
I was brought up with the understanding that if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all...
EDIT: one long reply with argumentation you wouldn't understand or accept anyway, I think. Thought the better of it. I'll take your post as a shining example of what a constructive post does not look like, stupid motto and such incorporated.
It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks. You can't use sense widgets on non sense ROMs and you can't use multi screen on non Touchwiz based ROMs.
I'm not even knowledgeable enough (yet) to concur with you (although I thought the same this morning, I'd dare not put that in writing for sheer terror of saying something so stupid I'd be a "Chinese volunteer" for the first no-return mission to Saturn). Thanks for chiming in, though.
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It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks. You can't use sense widgets on non sense ROMs and you can't use multi screen on non Touchwiz based ROMs.
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did...
A few people had Cornerstone running on the Prime earlier in the year, so I didn't think that dual screen was completely impossible, however the odds are stacked up against a daily driver right now...
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did...
A few people had Cornerstone running on the Prime earlier in the year, so I didn't think that dual screen was completely impossible, however the odds are stacked up against a daily driver right now...
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I have seen the concepts of Cornerstone. I would love to see that being imlemented in a ROM for or Infinities. I do use StickIT to be able to watch videos while still using the rest of the screen but a full on Multi Tasking feature would be awsome if possible. I know that the 1 GB RAM limit might hinder it a bit but who knows, mabey sbdags could look into it for a future feature in his CleanROM Inheritance ROM's.
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From your response, it's still not clear what makes this specific to Samsung devices, since all ROMs I've worked on contain a framework, and it clearly isn't specific to TouchWiz.
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It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks.
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did..
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So may I conclude I had a better idea of what the answer was than you? I tell you it's a framework-dependent feature, you say it is "clearly NOT Tochwiz-dependent". Next thing, sbdags tells you TouchWiz is built into the framework, and then you say <chuckle> that you knew that all along, but was just wondering if I knew that. At least I had a good laugh: you twist and turn and twist a bit more. You can throw around your morals all you want, but on the technical side of things, it's either this or that, and there's not that much room to verbally wiggle into being correct. I'd say you have been corrected.
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So may I conclude I had a better idea of what the answer was than you? I tell you it's a framework-dependent feature, you say it is "clearly NOT Tochwiz-dependent". Next thing, sbdags tells you TouchWiz is built into the framework, and then you say <chuckle> that you knew that all along, but was just wondering if I knew that. At least I had a good laugh: you twist and turn and twist a bit more. You can throw around your morals all you want, but on the technical side of things, it's either this or that, and there's not that much room to verbally wiggle into being correct. I'd say you have been corrected.
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Wow... almost don't want to add anything to this flaming thread, but am also a user who is looking for some way to do this stuff on the tf700. Here is a thread that explains most of what the "framework" is and what it does. It is worth mentioning that things in android are already built for multiwindow interfaces but the options for the support are not turned on and some of the functionality is broken. The biggest hangup for this working is the app programmers, who have to make their apps compatible. Since google does not want to police what apps are and are not supporting the feature, they just blanket deny the ability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937270
or this for all apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961813
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Wow... almost don't want to add anything to this flaming thread, but am also a user who is looking for some way to do this stuff on the tf700. Here is a thread that explains most of what the "framework" is and what it does. It is worth mentioning that things in android are already built for multiwindow interfaces but the options for the support are not turned on and some of the functionality is broken. The biggest hangup for this working is the app programmers, who have to make their apps compatible. Since google does not want to police what apps are and are not supporting the feature, they just blanket deny the ability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937270
or this for all apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961813
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actually I am not sure if it has to do with the app programmers because on my note 2, with jedi x9 rom all apps do work on multiwindow. So all apps by default just resize. for me it is a matter of time before it becomes standard in some sort on the base google code since it is already there not just implemented on anything other than touchwiz. we can already see a bit with paranandroid stuff and the resizing between tablet and phone screen sizes. some apps (cant remember well) already do the floating. .. so guys patience or has someone said treat uncle sammy for the score and get one of those galactic phones. the thing I would want programmer to focus on is multiwindow and multi monitors outputs with my hdmi output on my tf700 or the airplay android equivalent around the corner.
I've been trying to sift through everything that's out there about different roms, but am still unclear on a number of items.
So, I have a choice between touchwiz android 4.1 based roms, or open source roms. Moving away from Touchwiz what is it exactly I would be losing?
Does S-note disappear? S-memo? Is there any app that would replace the s-memo function to double tap the screen and bring up a floating note?
How much of multi window is lost? How much can be replaced? Is cascade view still something that can be added back in?
What s-pen functions are lost? What can be replaced (or improved)?
Overall, if I were to leave Touchwiz entirely, what is lost and what can be replaced with non Samsung counterparts?
Currently, I have Android Revolution HD with Holo Launcher HD on top of that. Any better suggestions? I went with Android Revolution because I was tired of reading and had to start somewhere, so I'm definitely also interested in opinions on a better setup.
Thanks.
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I've been trying to sift through everything that's out there about different roms, but am still unclear on a number of items.
So, I have a choice between touchwiz android 4.1 based roms, or open source roms. Moving away from Touchwiz what is it exactly I would be losing?
Does S-note disappear? S-memo? Is there any app that would replace the s-memo function to double tap the screen and bring up a floating note?
How much of multi window is lost? How much can be replaced? Is cascade view still something that can be added back in?
What s-pen functions are lost? What can be replaced (or improved)?
Overall, if I were to leave Touchwiz entirely, what is lost and what can be replaced with non Samsung counterparts?
Currently, I have Android Revolution HD with Holo Launcher HD on top of that. Any better suggestions? I went with Android Revolution because I was tired of reading and had to start somewhere, so I'm definitely also interested in opinions on a better setup.
Thanks.
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Are you just curious about other ROM's or is there something that you need that touch wiz does not offer?
Because as far as I know you will lose S Pen function going to a non-touch wiz ROM and that defeats the reason for owning the Note 10.1.
If you want to see what some of the other ROM's offer Zedomax has a very good web page http://rootgalaxynote.com/. Lots of content for all version of the galaxy note.
He has video reviews of a lot of popular ROM's and you can sign up for his news letters if you like what he has to say, one that I like is "ROM of the week"
If you want to jump right to his Galaxy Note 10.1 ROM's page go here http://rootgalaxynote.com/category/galaxy-note-10-1-roms/
And here is a link to his you tube video page where he has video's on just about everything http://www.youtube.com/user/zedomax Max seems like a very cool guy that love's life and ANDROID
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Are you just curious about other ROM's or is there something that you need that touch wiz does not offer?
Because as far as I know you will lose S Pen function going to a non-touch wiz ROM and that defeats the reason for owning the Note 10.1.
If you want to see what some of the other ROM's offer Zedomax has a very good web page http://rootgalaxynote.com/. Lots of content for all version of the galaxy note.
He has video reviews of a lot of popular ROM's and you can sign up for his news letters if you like what he has to say, one that I like is "ROM of the week"
If you want to jump right to his Galaxy Note 10.1 ROM's page go here http://rootgalaxynote.com/category/galaxy-note-10-1-roms/
And here is a link to his you tube video page where he has video's on just about everything http://www.youtube.com/user/zedomax Max seems like a very cool guy that love's life and ANDROID
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Thanks, but I've been over all that. I just still feel uncertain about aspects. I see alot of things that are essentially alluded to, but rarely clearly laid out. For instance, in your response, you say "as far as I know you will lose the s-pen function..." Whereas as I was starting to be under the impression that while you would lose many items such as snote, you would still have the spen, and be able to use apps like GMD S PenControl.
I'm not saying what I just wrote is true, but that it is still a point of some confusion, among other things.
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Thanks, but I've been over all that. I just still feel uncertain about aspects. I see alot of things that are essentially alluded to, but rarely clearly laid out. For instance, in your response, you say "as far as I know you will lose the s-pen function..." Whereas as I was starting to be under the impression that while you would lose many items such as snote, you would still have the spen, and be able to use apps like GMD S PenControl.
I'm not saying what I just wrote is true, but that it is still a point of some confusion, among other things.
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That's why I posted the links to rootgalaxynote.com because Max goes over the functions that are gained and lost.
Take the time to download and watch them,..... its very helpful.
Revolt Rom video would be a good place to start http://androidrooted.com/file/GalaxyNote10.1/roms/RevoltJB/RevoltJBROMNote10.1.mp4
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That's why I posted the links to rootgalaxynote.com because Max goes over the functions that are gained and lost.
Take the time to download and watch them,..... its very helpful.
Revolt Rom video would be a good place to start http://androidrooted.com/file/GalaxyNote10.1/roms/RevoltJB/RevoltJBROMNote10.1.mp4
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I watched a bunch of them. On all the AOSP roms I watched him review he just doesn't even mention the s-pen, and in the comments section will just be a few people asking what the deal for the spen is and not having any reply to it.
I agree for the most part, those videos were very helpful. I used one of his videos to root my note. And I'm sure it exists somewhere, but in the time I spent mucking through everything there is, I haven't found where it is clearly laid out what you lose, and what can be done to regain those functions when going to AOSP. I just see bits and pieces buried here and there. I suppose that's what happens when I come this late to it all, the backlog of info is immense, and things covered early on get buried.
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I watched a bunch of them. On all the AOSP roms I watched him review he just doesn't even mention the s-pen, and in the comments section will just be a few people asking what the deal for the spen is and not having any reply to it.
I agree for the most part, those videos were very helpful. I used one of his videos to root my note. And I'm sure it exists somewhere, but in the time I spent mucking through everything there is, I haven't found where it is clearly laid out what you lose, and what can be done to regain those functions when going to AOSP. I just see bits and pieces buried here and there. I suppose that's what happens when I come this late to it all, the backlog of info is immense, and things covered early on get buried.
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That video does talk about s pen function @ about the 2:00 mark.
GMD spen controller ........ you could contact the developer ... here is the video link on you tube for the app in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3WGO-OZQ2k
Do you know about the 15 minute return policy on the play store?????????
If you are not happy with the app you can get a refund if you un-install it before 15 minutes have passed. https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/134336?hl=en
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That video does talk about s pen function @ about the 2:00 mark.
GMD spen controller ........ you could contact the developer ... here is the video link on you tube for the app in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3WGO-OZQ2k
Do you know about the 15 minute return policy on the play store?????????
If you are not happy with the app you can get a refund if you un-install it before 15 minutes have passed. https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/134336?hl=en
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I don't mean any of this in a harsh tone, but instead to hopefully get what I'm looking for:
If you would like to answer my questions, great. If you want to keep pointing at things when I tell you I've already seen them, please stop.
The purpose of this question was to determine what would be worth investing time and effort in and to gain some insight from people who have done it themselves already.
Again, if you would like to answer the original questions, I would appreciate that. These have not been what I'm looking for in terms of being a brief concise, summary, and overview
I get that you lose things from going to an AOSP, and that you can replace certain items with apps. My question is about what exactly do you lose, what are the apps that replace it, and how good of a job do they do.
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I don't mean any of this in a harsh tone
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Of coarse you do.
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Why don't you just stick with a rooted stock ROM?
I'd like to be able to keep up with new development regardless of what Samsung does. All the touchwiz roms seem to be limited to 4.1 (unless I've misunderstood). So sticking with touchwiz based roms will could be an issue depending on what Samsung does with updates.
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From what I understand you will loose any apps that require the TC framework - S-Notes don't work and some other apps...
However there are alternative apps like lecture notes that are, apparently supported using the s-pen.... If you read through the CM10 rom threads you might get a better idea, or ask there if it works, you might get a definite answer...
I believe I've read that the s-pen works but I like having my status as "Official" so I can use my Allcast hub... You loose that ability if the status changes....
The only difference between ASOP based and stock/stock based is the TW framework. But most of the features are replaceable.
This is what I have done to make my life easy with ASOP roms
What i miss
A- No replacement yet
- Mutiwindow - No replacement yet
- Lasso screenshot.
- Miss the samsung keyboard - This is the best keyboard for handwriting recognition. No issues with my horrible handwriting. Wish somebody ported it.
B- Alternatives
-Get most of the spen gestures ( except for lasso screen shot) using GMD spen
- S note replacement - use lecture notes and triggered via gmd spen gesture
Rest of the stuff is all there in asop based roms for my use.
Big positives
- Parnoid features.
- Love the status bar at the top option.
-Navigation bar sized down.
-Plenty of small tweaks
-Another big positive is the availability of USB mass storage mode. Very very helpful
Will update this post as more things come to my mind
What about battery life between stock and AOSP roms?
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What about battery life between stock and AOSP roms?
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Not seen any.
I get almost 9-10hrs screen time with both.
Let's get this started! Unfortunately, all of the devs previously working on this have either left for a new device or given up, but that doesn't mean there aren't others out there with the experience and motivation needed!
@wickedninjalo had the great idea to make a bounty as a reward.
Some requirements (UP FOR DISCUSSION!):
Make it Open Source, preferably with MIT or Apache 2.0.
Doesn't have to look exactly like the stock version, but functionality should be similar.
@USA-RedDragon's original intent) Make it extensible by third parties! ie, other people should be able to write extensions for it. This isn't completely necessary, but it'd be amazing to have.
Don't just rip the current LGSignBoard and related APKs from Stock and force them to work on AOSP somehow. That runs the risk of a copyright strike, and it doesn't satisfy most requirements.
If you think you have something, PM me! I'll give you a link for a Telegram group where you can share what you have and it can be tested out.
Anyone interested in testing potential builds, also contact me for the Telegram link.
Current list of supporters:
$20-$40 -- @wickedninjalo
$20 -- @Gabe2014
$10 -- @AngryManMLS
$20 -- @uppon2
$20 -- @wuwtk
$15 -- @joachim123
$5 -- @askermk2000
$50 -- @sobriquet506
$100 -- @tymestopm
$20 -- @Stonkers
$20 -- @emtownsend
$100 -- @philiptibbs
$20 -- @Aaren11
$40 -- @rholm
$20 -- @slaya811
$25 -- @mdl054
$5 -- @TheHamPimp
$490 -- Total
Current devs:
@Blaises
@Zacharee1
Any test builds that are available will be posted at https://zwander.tk/#losdownloads. These are ARB0 builds!
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There's no second screen mod available yet. This thread is the home of development updates and maybe the future home of the mod itself, once it's complete.
So as most of you probably know, the second screen doesn't work on AOSP-based ROMs. On earlier versions of CMRemix, LineageOS and Resurrection Remix, the main display image even oveflowed into the second screen area. This happened because it's actually the same physical panel, but the top 160 rows don't reach all the way across. In the newer AOSP builds, the second screen is effectively disabled, so nothing overflows into it, but since it's not functioning, the backlight and digitizer are disabled, creating a weird dark area on the main screen and a touch deadzone. The ROMs still work amazingly, though, and if you can live without the second screen or are daring enough for dual boot, go try them out.
But since one of the main features of this phone is that second screen, it's pretty natural that we'd all want it there on AOSP too, right? Well unfortunately, it isn't as simple as copying some APKs from Stock. There's framework stuff, kernel code and maybe more that needs to be recreated without infringing on LG's copyright. Luckily, developers have taken it upon themselves to work together on creating an API for the second screen that will work on AOSP ROMs.
It's probably going to be a rather long process, since we don't really fully know how the second screen works, and its functionality has to be replicated without plagiarizing the source. Patience is going to be key. I've created this thread so that I can provide updates on the progress that has been made. Once there are test builds available, they'll be made available here, and this thread will probably be moved to the Development section.
If you have experience in Android development and you want to help out, send a PM to any of these users:
@Zacharee1
@USA-RedDragon
(I need to ask the others if they are willing to receive PMs. Please don't PM any devs not on this list.)
Thanks to the developes currently working on this project!
@USA-RedDragon
@Dameon87
@albinoman887
@jthrasher47
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Btw. More than just framework code. It's also binaries that need to be reverse engineered and none of us are too good at reading assembly
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RIght now is mainly just the planning stage. So far, the rough idea is to decompile the second screen source, figure out how it works, get it working on AOSP, and then recreate the code in a way that will probably work better on AOSP and won't infringe on LG's copyright. There's no actual development yet, but there's a path set out to follow.
I hope progress is (slowly) being made on this. I very much hope you succeed. For one I hope what you generate is a great deal more configurable. LGE does provide some ability to configure the second screen, but I'm underwhelmed. Weather I can find by going outside, so that doesn't help much; plus this means a partner of LGE is getting information from the device...
One hopefully useful tidbit. At the head of LineageOS's kernel branch for the V20 they've disabled the second screen. Personally I find the way that change was done rather anti-social, so that is how I address it. This actually provides a bit of insight into how to access the second screen, it is simply one big screen with a separate backlight.
Pretty sure it's been done but due to copyright not being put out.
storm68 said:
Pretty sure it's been done but due to copyright not being put out.
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No it hasnt been done.
me2151 said:
No it hasnt been done.
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I disagree ?
storm68 said:
Pretty sure it's been done but due to copyright not being put out.
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Have you a link to confirm that?
Any more progress? This is the main thing that keeps me from using aosp roms as my primary rom. I mainly use the second screen for notifications and clock at night. Since we don't have a notification led it makes it hard to know when I have a new message etc since I disable sound notifications.
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Any more progress? This is the main thing that keeps me from using aosp roms as my primary rom. I mainly use the second screen for notifications and clock at night. Since we don't have a notification led it makes it hard to know when I have a new message etc since I disable sound notifications.
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Nothing yet, sorry.
That's unfortunate :/ you guys that use an aosp rom what do you do about notifications?
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The_Keeper86 said:
That's unfortunate :/ you guys that use an aosp rom what do you do about notifications?
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I use ambient display lol so when I pick up the phone I get shown a screen with notifications. I wish we had the second screen for notifications at least but It's fine without
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I use ambient display lol so when I pick up the phone I get shown a screen with notifications. I wish we had the second screen for notifications at least but It's fine without
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I might look into that thanks. I wish we do too obviously lol. Glad I have more choices than I did with my Note 5 though.
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storm68 said:
I disagree ?
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This is typically an instance where one provides a source/proof to back up their statement. Just stating "I disagree" doesn't cut the mustard.
elijah420 said:
This is typically an instance where one provides a source/proof to back up their statement. Just stating "I disagree" doesn't cut the mustard.
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No need! I can disagree as a statement of opinion without proving anything... I disagree in my sole opinion. Nuff said. Have a great week and weekend. ?
storm68 said:
No need! I can disagree as a statement of opinion without proving anything... I disagree in my sole opinion. Nuff said. Have a great week and weekend. ?
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Well sure. You can say whatever you'd like, but when you make assertions that try to carry opinion as fact, be prepared to have someone ask for a source.
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Well sure. You can say whatever you'd like, but when you make assertions that try to carry opinion as fact, be prepared to have someone ask for a source.
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Again... My opinion. My allocation to provide them or not. No need to be interrogated. Look! Another opinion! No need to continue in conversation to clog the thread.
Wish there was some headway into getting the second screen working on AOSP. AoD is a clever work around, but the second display was given it's own seperate, low power backlight specifically to get around the drain of powering the main panel.
I'd be happy using just AoD in a pinch if the second display was at least usable as extra screen space during regular operation, there are plenty of apps and launcher tweaks that could provide a taskbar or app shortcuts, if the actual screen real estate was accessible.
Well seems if you flash a stock kernel over aosp the second screen just becomes part of the entire screen so maybe somewhere in the kernel difference can be found as to what's delegating what to where
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Well seems if you flash a stock kernel over aosp the second screen just becomes part of the entire screen so maybe somewhere in the kernel difference can be found as to what's delegating what to where
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The second screen is the same physical panel. By default, AOSP treats it all as one and stretches content into the second screen. AOSP developers have added kernel modifiers to prevent that from happening.