I've been trying to sift through everything that's out there about different roms, but am still unclear on a number of items.
So, I have a choice between touchwiz android 4.1 based roms, or open source roms. Moving away from Touchwiz what is it exactly I would be losing?
Does S-note disappear? S-memo? Is there any app that would replace the s-memo function to double tap the screen and bring up a floating note?
How much of multi window is lost? How much can be replaced? Is cascade view still something that can be added back in?
What s-pen functions are lost? What can be replaced (or improved)?
Overall, if I were to leave Touchwiz entirely, what is lost and what can be replaced with non Samsung counterparts?
Currently, I have Android Revolution HD with Holo Launcher HD on top of that. Any better suggestions? I went with Android Revolution because I was tired of reading and had to start somewhere, so I'm definitely also interested in opinions on a better setup.
Thanks.
mmcnulty said:
I've been trying to sift through everything that's out there about different roms, but am still unclear on a number of items.
So, I have a choice between touchwiz android 4.1 based roms, or open source roms. Moving away from Touchwiz what is it exactly I would be losing?
Does S-note disappear? S-memo? Is there any app that would replace the s-memo function to double tap the screen and bring up a floating note?
How much of multi window is lost? How much can be replaced? Is cascade view still something that can be added back in?
What s-pen functions are lost? What can be replaced (or improved)?
Overall, if I were to leave Touchwiz entirely, what is lost and what can be replaced with non Samsung counterparts?
Currently, I have Android Revolution HD with Holo Launcher HD on top of that. Any better suggestions? I went with Android Revolution because I was tired of reading and had to start somewhere, so I'm definitely also interested in opinions on a better setup.
Thanks.
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Are you just curious about other ROM's or is there something that you need that touch wiz does not offer?
Because as far as I know you will lose S Pen function going to a non-touch wiz ROM and that defeats the reason for owning the Note 10.1.
If you want to see what some of the other ROM's offer Zedomax has a very good web page http://rootgalaxynote.com/. Lots of content for all version of the galaxy note.
He has video reviews of a lot of popular ROM's and you can sign up for his news letters if you like what he has to say, one that I like is "ROM of the week"
If you want to jump right to his Galaxy Note 10.1 ROM's page go here http://rootgalaxynote.com/category/galaxy-note-10-1-roms/
And here is a link to his you tube video page where he has video's on just about everything http://www.youtube.com/user/zedomax Max seems like a very cool guy that love's life and ANDROID
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kkretch said:
Are you just curious about other ROM's or is there something that you need that touch wiz does not offer?
Because as far as I know you will lose S Pen function going to a non-touch wiz ROM and that defeats the reason for owning the Note 10.1.
If you want to see what some of the other ROM's offer Zedomax has a very good web page http://rootgalaxynote.com/. Lots of content for all version of the galaxy note.
He has video reviews of a lot of popular ROM's and you can sign up for his news letters if you like what he has to say, one that I like is "ROM of the week"
If you want to jump right to his Galaxy Note 10.1 ROM's page go here http://rootgalaxynote.com/category/galaxy-note-10-1-roms/
And here is a link to his you tube video page where he has video's on just about everything http://www.youtube.com/user/zedomax Max seems like a very cool guy that love's life and ANDROID
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Thanks, but I've been over all that. I just still feel uncertain about aspects. I see alot of things that are essentially alluded to, but rarely clearly laid out. For instance, in your response, you say "as far as I know you will lose the s-pen function..." Whereas as I was starting to be under the impression that while you would lose many items such as snote, you would still have the spen, and be able to use apps like GMD S PenControl.
I'm not saying what I just wrote is true, but that it is still a point of some confusion, among other things.
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Thanks, but I've been over all that. I just still feel uncertain about aspects. I see alot of things that are essentially alluded to, but rarely clearly laid out. For instance, in your response, you say "as far as I know you will lose the s-pen function..." Whereas as I was starting to be under the impression that while you would lose many items such as snote, you would still have the spen, and be able to use apps like GMD S PenControl.
I'm not saying what I just wrote is true, but that it is still a point of some confusion, among other things.
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That's why I posted the links to rootgalaxynote.com because Max goes over the functions that are gained and lost.
Take the time to download and watch them,..... its very helpful.
Revolt Rom video would be a good place to start http://androidrooted.com/file/GalaxyNote10.1/roms/RevoltJB/RevoltJBROMNote10.1.mp4
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That's why I posted the links to rootgalaxynote.com because Max goes over the functions that are gained and lost.
Take the time to download and watch them,..... its very helpful.
Revolt Rom video would be a good place to start http://androidrooted.com/file/GalaxyNote10.1/roms/RevoltJB/RevoltJBROMNote10.1.mp4
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I watched a bunch of them. On all the AOSP roms I watched him review he just doesn't even mention the s-pen, and in the comments section will just be a few people asking what the deal for the spen is and not having any reply to it.
I agree for the most part, those videos were very helpful. I used one of his videos to root my note. And I'm sure it exists somewhere, but in the time I spent mucking through everything there is, I haven't found where it is clearly laid out what you lose, and what can be done to regain those functions when going to AOSP. I just see bits and pieces buried here and there. I suppose that's what happens when I come this late to it all, the backlog of info is immense, and things covered early on get buried.
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I watched a bunch of them. On all the AOSP roms I watched him review he just doesn't even mention the s-pen, and in the comments section will just be a few people asking what the deal for the spen is and not having any reply to it.
I agree for the most part, those videos were very helpful. I used one of his videos to root my note. And I'm sure it exists somewhere, but in the time I spent mucking through everything there is, I haven't found where it is clearly laid out what you lose, and what can be done to regain those functions when going to AOSP. I just see bits and pieces buried here and there. I suppose that's what happens when I come this late to it all, the backlog of info is immense, and things covered early on get buried.
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That video does talk about s pen function @ about the 2:00 mark.
GMD spen controller ........ you could contact the developer ... here is the video link on you tube for the app in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3WGO-OZQ2k
Do you know about the 15 minute return policy on the play store?????????
If you are not happy with the app you can get a refund if you un-install it before 15 minutes have passed. https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/134336?hl=en
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That video does talk about s pen function @ about the 2:00 mark.
GMD spen controller ........ you could contact the developer ... here is the video link on you tube for the app in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e3WGO-OZQ2k
Do you know about the 15 minute return policy on the play store?????????
If you are not happy with the app you can get a refund if you un-install it before 15 minutes have passed. https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/134336?hl=en
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I don't mean any of this in a harsh tone, but instead to hopefully get what I'm looking for:
If you would like to answer my questions, great. If you want to keep pointing at things when I tell you I've already seen them, please stop.
The purpose of this question was to determine what would be worth investing time and effort in and to gain some insight from people who have done it themselves already.
Again, if you would like to answer the original questions, I would appreciate that. These have not been what I'm looking for in terms of being a brief concise, summary, and overview
I get that you lose things from going to an AOSP, and that you can replace certain items with apps. My question is about what exactly do you lose, what are the apps that replace it, and how good of a job do they do.
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I don't mean any of this in a harsh tone
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Of coarse you do.
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Why don't you just stick with a rooted stock ROM?
I'd like to be able to keep up with new development regardless of what Samsung does. All the touchwiz roms seem to be limited to 4.1 (unless I've misunderstood). So sticking with touchwiz based roms will could be an issue depending on what Samsung does with updates.
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From what I understand you will loose any apps that require the TC framework - S-Notes don't work and some other apps...
However there are alternative apps like lecture notes that are, apparently supported using the s-pen.... If you read through the CM10 rom threads you might get a better idea, or ask there if it works, you might get a definite answer...
I believe I've read that the s-pen works but I like having my status as "Official" so I can use my Allcast hub... You loose that ability if the status changes....
The only difference between ASOP based and stock/stock based is the TW framework. But most of the features are replaceable.
This is what I have done to make my life easy with ASOP roms
What i miss
A- No replacement yet
- Mutiwindow - No replacement yet
- Lasso screenshot.
- Miss the samsung keyboard - This is the best keyboard for handwriting recognition. No issues with my horrible handwriting. Wish somebody ported it.
B- Alternatives
-Get most of the spen gestures ( except for lasso screen shot) using GMD spen
- S note replacement - use lecture notes and triggered via gmd spen gesture
Rest of the stuff is all there in asop based roms for my use.
Big positives
- Parnoid features.
- Love the status bar at the top option.
-Navigation bar sized down.
-Plenty of small tweaks
-Another big positive is the availability of USB mass storage mode. Very very helpful
Will update this post as more things come to my mind
What about battery life between stock and AOSP roms?
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What about battery life between stock and AOSP roms?
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Not seen any.
I get almost 9-10hrs screen time with both.
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Is there a multi-window feature MOD for the asus tf700 . It is a feature in Samsung Galagxy Tab 10.1 and newly implemented in the new update of the JB in galaxy S3. I flashed a MOD in my Galaxy s2 and the feature works just fine . So is there any MOD for this feature in asus tf700 ??
I really need it in my tab.
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Is there a multi-window feature MOD for the asus tf700 . It is a feature in Samsung Galagxy Tab 10.1 and newly implemented in the new update of the JB in galaxy S3. I flashed a MOD in my Galaxy s2 and the feature works just fine . So is there any MOD for this feature in asus tf700 ??
I really need it in my tab.
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No, there is not, and there probably will not be. No non-Samsung device has ever been able to do it, so if this is mission critical for you, off to Samsung your dollars go.
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No, there is not, and there probably will not be. No non-Samsung device has ever been able to do it, so if this is mission critical for you, off to Samsung your dollars go.
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So, what exactly is it that makes this specific to Samsung devices?
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So, what exactly is it that makes this specific to Samsung devices?
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The framework. There's another thread going on about this already. I'm not going into a fork here.
Also, keep in mind what happened to Overskreen. That makes it higly unlikely that anyone is going to invest the immense time and resources needed until Google's stance on the matters softens.
EDIT_BY_INTERJECTION: forgot to say it's in the CleanROM Inheritance thread, as a feature request. And a no-no.
To specifically answer your question, by the way: I guess Samsung feels large and powerful enough to go against Google. Their partnership might help, I dunno.
It's not a technical thing in itself, as we have developers aboard that could pull this off. Hell, we have devs aboard trumping the engineers of the manufacturers themselves, so that says something. It's politics.
So, maybe a link to the other thread would be a more useful and appropriate response?
From your response, it's still not clear what makes this specific to Samsung devices, since all ROMs I've worked on contain a framework, and it clearly isn't specific to TouchWiz.
I realize that Google has quashed attempts at this in the past, specifically Overskreen, but the fact that there are working options out there could be indicative of a change in philosophy, perhaps?
As far as the CleanROM thread, all I saw was sbdags ask for a link and then you (in typical fashion) insert your option in a less than helpful manner. Humble up. If you don't plan on helping, I don't see why you would take the time to be unpleasant...
I was brought up with the understanding that if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all...
EDIT: one long reply with argumentation you wouldn't understand or accept anyway, I think. Thought the better of it. I'll take your post as a shining example of what a constructive post does not look like, stupid motto and such incorporated.
It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks. You can't use sense widgets on non sense ROMs and you can't use multi screen on non Touchwiz based ROMs.
I'm not even knowledgeable enough (yet) to concur with you (although I thought the same this morning, I'd dare not put that in writing for sheer terror of saying something so stupid I'd be a "Chinese volunteer" for the first no-return mission to Saturn). Thanks for chiming in, though.
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It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks. You can't use sense widgets on non sense ROMs and you can't use multi screen on non Touchwiz based ROMs.
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did...
A few people had Cornerstone running on the Prime earlier in the year, so I didn't think that dual screen was completely impossible, however the odds are stacked up against a daily driver right now...
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did...
A few people had Cornerstone running on the Prime earlier in the year, so I didn't think that dual screen was completely impossible, however the odds are stacked up against a daily driver right now...
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I have seen the concepts of Cornerstone. I would love to see that being imlemented in a ROM for or Infinities. I do use StickIT to be able to watch videos while still using the rest of the screen but a full on Multi Tasking feature would be awsome if possible. I know that the 1 GB RAM limit might hinder it a bit but who knows, mabey sbdags could look into it for a future feature in his CleanROM Inheritance ROM's.
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From your response, it's still not clear what makes this specific to Samsung devices, since all ROMs I've worked on contain a framework, and it clearly isn't specific to TouchWiz.
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It is a touchwiz thing. Touchwiz is not just a launcher slapped on top it is built into the framework of Samsung firmware, much like sense is built into HTC frameworks.
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Thanks sbdags - I had pretty good idea of the answer, I was just wondering if Marty did..
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So may I conclude I had a better idea of what the answer was than you? I tell you it's a framework-dependent feature, you say it is "clearly NOT Tochwiz-dependent". Next thing, sbdags tells you TouchWiz is built into the framework, and then you say <chuckle> that you knew that all along, but was just wondering if I knew that. At least I had a good laugh: you twist and turn and twist a bit more. You can throw around your morals all you want, but on the technical side of things, it's either this or that, and there's not that much room to verbally wiggle into being correct. I'd say you have been corrected.
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So may I conclude I had a better idea of what the answer was than you? I tell you it's a framework-dependent feature, you say it is "clearly NOT Tochwiz-dependent". Next thing, sbdags tells you TouchWiz is built into the framework, and then you say <chuckle> that you knew that all along, but was just wondering if I knew that. At least I had a good laugh: you twist and turn and twist a bit more. You can throw around your morals all you want, but on the technical side of things, it's either this or that, and there's not that much room to verbally wiggle into being correct. I'd say you have been corrected.
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Wow... almost don't want to add anything to this flaming thread, but am also a user who is looking for some way to do this stuff on the tf700. Here is a thread that explains most of what the "framework" is and what it does. It is worth mentioning that things in android are already built for multiwindow interfaces but the options for the support are not turned on and some of the functionality is broken. The biggest hangup for this working is the app programmers, who have to make their apps compatible. Since google does not want to police what apps are and are not supporting the feature, they just blanket deny the ability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937270
or this for all apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961813
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Wow... almost don't want to add anything to this flaming thread, but am also a user who is looking for some way to do this stuff on the tf700. Here is a thread that explains most of what the "framework" is and what it does. It is worth mentioning that things in android are already built for multiwindow interfaces but the options for the support are not turned on and some of the functionality is broken. The biggest hangup for this working is the app programmers, who have to make their apps compatible. Since google does not want to police what apps are and are not supporting the feature, they just blanket deny the ability.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937270
or this for all apps http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961813
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actually I am not sure if it has to do with the app programmers because on my note 2, with jedi x9 rom all apps do work on multiwindow. So all apps by default just resize. for me it is a matter of time before it becomes standard in some sort on the base google code since it is already there not just implemented on anything other than touchwiz. we can already see a bit with paranandroid stuff and the resizing between tablet and phone screen sizes. some apps (cant remember well) already do the floating. .. so guys patience or has someone said treat uncle sammy for the score and get one of those galactic phones. the thing I would want programmer to focus on is multiwindow and multi monitors outputs with my hdmi output on my tf700 or the airplay android equivalent around the corner.
I'm trying to theme Touchwiz to look more, AOSPish
And would like some assistance, I have no coding skills whatsoever so I'll just be ripping stuff out of the systemUI.apk
I plan on changing those navbar buttons (God they look like crap)
The Quickapps flip button, to look like more minimal, maybe like the green dot Lenovo use to have on their HC tablets
And that blue divider on top of the NavBar (Why did they put that there.
And if anyone knows if its possile to change the panel that slides up, please let me know!
I'll get into it as soon as I get the latest version for the n8013 usa, (few hours)
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I'm trying to theme Touchwiz to look more, AOSPish
And would like some assistance, I have no coding skills whatsoever so I'll just be ripping stuff out of the systemUI.apk
I plan on changing those navbar buttons (God they look like crap)
The Quickapps flip button, to look like more minimal, maybe like the green dot Lenovo use to have on their HC tablets
And that blue divider on top of the NavBar (Why did they put that there.
And if anyone knows if its possile to change the panel that slides up, please let me know!
I'll get into it as soon as I get the latest version for the n8013 usa, (few hours)
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i have been working on something all nite, it is quite painstaking, still need to work out a few bugs, really need to figure out how to change the font color, any feedbad would be great
TouchWiz is Fine
ThaDSman said:
I'm trying to theme Touchwiz to look more, AOSPish
And would like some assistance, I have no coding skills whatsoever so I'll just be ripping stuff out of the systemUI.apk
I plan on changing those navbar buttons (God they look like crap)
The Quickapps flip button, to look like more minimal, maybe like the green dot Lenovo use to have on their HC tablets
And that blue divider on top of the NavBar (Why did they put that there.
And if anyone knows if its possile to change the panel that slides up, please let me know!
I'll get into it as soon as I get the latest version for the n8013 usa, (few hours)
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IT IS TIME WE STOP BUYING INTO APPLE'S ISSUES WITH SAMSUNG & ANDROID. It is the reason Adobe stopped supporting Flash on mobile which we all like. TouchWiz looks a lot better than stock Android with the black app drawer. TW is just adds a transparent affect among other things plus the multitasking. Somebody should be trying to make stock Android and IOS look more polished liked TouchWiz.
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IT IS TIME WE STOP BUYING INTO APPLE'S ISSUES WITH SAMSUNG & ANDROID. It is the reason Adobe stopped supporting Flash on mobile which we all like. TouchWiz looks a lot better than stock Android with the black app drawer. TW is just adds a transparent affect among other things plus the multitasking. Somebody should be trying to make stock Android and IOS look more polished liked TouchWiz.
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That's the one good thing a about all flavours of Android they are highly customizable. As for Apple they make a great product don't get me wrong, but I think the main reason Apple is losing traction is because it treats is users like children, you can only have a cookie is mommy says you can
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That's the one good thing a about all flavours of Android they are highly customizable. As for Apple they make a great product don't get me wrong, but I think the main reason Apple is losing traction is because it treats is users like children, you can only have a cookie is mommy says you can
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Actually, I think Apple is losing ground because better technology has been coming out at more and more affordable rates, and Android has been getting better and better each year. I know of a lot of people who went from the old Android (the crap, free ones basically) to Apple because of how ****ty Android used to be, compared to Apple. However, with the better, affordable tech that has been coming out, it's given people a chance to see how good Android is now, so people don't have this "amagawd, I'm computer illiterate so I must use Applez" mindset as much anymore.
Also, I think that Steve Jobs was a really great marketeer. Without him to convince people to love the new products.. I think people just don't feel as excited.
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IT IS TIME WE STOP BUYING INTO APPLE'S ISSUES WITH SAMSUNG & ANDROID. It is the reason Adobe stopped supporting Flash on mobile which we all like. TouchWiz looks a lot better than stock Android with the black app drawer. TW is just adds a transparent affect among other things plus the multitasking. Somebody should be trying to make stock Android and IOS look more polished liked TouchWiz.
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What the hell are you talking about?! I didn't see the OP mention anything about Apple or Samsung. This is a thread about making Touchwiz look more like AOSP. I don't mean to be rude, but if you aren't interested you don't have to read the thread.
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I agree with OP I hate the blue divider on the nav bar, In fact, the nav bar seems to cluttered imo. Having the nav bar time out to the dots on every app would be a good work a round. If its a matter of theming im sure it can be done quite easily.
Wow! I thought this thread went completely ignored and got no replies.
So sorry guys, I had very little success and got discouraged.
I didn't know there was actually activity here.
I'm down for giving it another try though. (lol, I replied 5 months later)
@ckavvouras That looks awesome! Can you share how you did that please? Or share your systemui.apk?
@edirector What the deuce are you talking about?
@relldroid Yeah I think the faded 3 dots look so clean! But I just couldn't find the image in the roms I searched in.
Also this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2186102
But for the 10.1 of course
I'm not smart enough to do it myself.. however, I am still amazed that no one has been able to work out how to convert an i9505 into a i9505G. I know the partition layout is different, and I also know that there are ported 4.3 GE roms available.. BUT all of that aside.. has Samsung won the war here?
Which leads me to a separate subject.. but.. their knox efuse.. while it hasn't been long.. it looks like they have won there as well.
In any case.. I'm more interested in the conversion to i9505G. Does anyone know more than I do about the status or possibility of ever being able to convert a i9505 to a i9505G?
Well.. This is not as easy as you may think.
Need someone who has both I9505 and I9505G. Also need special connection to I9505 like JTAG to get direct access to flash. Then using JTAG try to dump whole flash from I9505G and upload it to I9505. And then depend on success and whole result, procedure can be simplified.
But JTAG is required at experiment stage if you are not so rich who can afford to buy tens (if not hundred) I9505 while experimenting
A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
Samsung secured the bootloader very agressively .
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A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
Samsung secured the bootloader very agressively .
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That's why i've mentioned JTAG. Google JTAG if you wanna know what is that.
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A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
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People said a reset of the flash counter was not possible.. @Chainfire was able to take care of that just fine..
I doubt it's impossible.. but I wonder how many people have even tried, or if there are even more than a handful of people with the skills needed to make this happen.
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People said a reset of the flash counter was not possible.. @Chainfire was able to take care of that just fine..
I doubt it's impossible.. but I wonder how many people have even tried, or if there are even more than a handful of people with the skills needed to make this happen.
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I tried everything except for jtag + bootloader exploit. Even hardbricked my S4 1 time.
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I tried everything except for jtag + bootloader exploit. Even hardbricked my S4 1 time.
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Thats very sad to hear, would this mean we will never have a full ported/working edition of google on our phones? shall I sell my phone and move to a nexus? or simply buy the original i9505G?
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Thats very sad to hear, would this mean we will never have a full ported/working edition of google on our phones? shall I sell my phone and move to a nexus? or simply buy the original i9505G?
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I sold my AT&T SGH-I337 GS4 and got an I-9505G. Best decision I ever made.
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I sold my AT&T SGH-I337 GS4 and got an I-9505G. Best decision I ever made.
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Why? Now you cant ever run TW roms now... But on the SGH 1337 you can run both roms
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Why? Now you cant ever run TW roms now... But on the SGH 1337 you can run both roms
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I couldn't care less about running ROMs. I unlocked the bootloader but otherwise I leave my devices stock and unrooted. I know how to root and install ROMs but once I knew how, my curiosity was satisfied.
Honestly, I have had Nexus devices my entire Android life. I decided to branch out and try a GS4 with Touchwiz. I really liked my I337, so much in fact, that I also ended up purchasing a Galaxy Note 8.0 as well. There are definitely things in Touchwiz that I'd love to see Google add to the stock user experience. I'm referring to things like air view and having separate wallpapers for the home and lock screens. Alas, though, when you've used stock Android as much as I have, it's hard to use anything else.
The only thing I truly miss about Touchwiz is the camera app. The camera was simply amazing. The other things that are important to me, namely the IR blaster and the S-View cover functionality, both work flawlessly on the I9505G.
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What i dislike most in stock Android is halo theme. It's really ugly. Micro check-boxes. Ugly seek-bars. Alert dialogs are too flat and sketchy. Halo theme looks more like concept than theme for daily usage.
TouchWiz theme was odd originally in time of SGS2, but it was getting better and better. On SGS4 it's nearly perfect. May be some elements like ViewPager and title bar need to reworks somehow. But overall it's way better theme than Halo. Also, there are many useful addons in TW ROM like quick settings panel, nice looking lock screen with quick launch shortcuts on the bottom, and other small tweaks making TW ROM much more useful than naked Android. And it's easier to remove unneeded apps/services/tweaks from TW ROM than add them into naked Android.
I would think about I9505G over I9505 only as device with bigger user storage running custom TW ROM, but it looks like not much success here.
From other side, you can buy 32GB version of I9505 and don't think about 16GB-only I9505G.
But hey, there are SHV-E330 and GT-I9506 already
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What i dislike most in stock Android is halo theme. It's really ugly. Micro check-boxes. Ugly seek-bars. Alert dialogs are too flat and sketchy. Halo theme looks more like concept than theme for daily usage.
TouchWiz theme was odd originally in time of SGS2, but it was getting better and better. On SGS4 it's nearly perfect. May be some elements like ViewPager and title bar need to reworks somehow. But overall it's way better theme than Halo. Also, there are many useful addons in TW ROM like quick settings panel, nice looking lock screen with quick launch shortcuts on the bottom, and other small tweaks making TW ROM much more useful than naked Android.
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You mean Holo I believe. That's why I use stock Android. TW with its different colors, big buttons that are not even separated from others and mixed styles in applications is really crazy and a pain to use. For people that like to use a phone without distractions it's a plain and simple fail.
Nice to have options as we're all not the same, you keep your TW phone, I will keep my stock Android one.
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And it's easier to remove unneeded apps/services/tweaks from TW ROM than add them into naked Android.
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I was taking you seriously until I read this. You think that removing system applications is easier than going to Google Play and download one? Yeah, sure!
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I was taking you seriously until I read this. You think that removing system applications is easier than going to Google Play and download one? Yeah, sure!
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Yeah.. It looks like your are really serious talking about replace TW features by 3rd party apps
Which app can replace lockscreen? None. It's impossible by android design. Only can mask some app as lockscreen which is completely different.
Having quick settings panel in on-going notification area? Phh..
If you think, it's not serious, then hold on and think first. May be other person, who is talking about this, knows something you don't know.
I'm not even talking about how serious people who are buying non-Nexus device and then whining about CM/AOSP in half of topics.
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Yeah.. It looks like your are really serious talking about replace TW features by 3rd party apps
Which app can replace lockscreen? None. It's impossible by android design. Only can mask some app as lockscreen which is completely different.
Having quick settings panel in on-going notification area? Phh..
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You're considering rooting a device to freeze/remove system applications. I was talking about simply adding applications to a stock Android from Google Play. I fail to see the former being easier.
And here the "impossible":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
In any case what you might consider essential I might consider a waste of resources.
That was the point of my post. That's why Android is a success.
And if you don't like to read people talking about changing non-Google devices you might be better off XDA.
XDA Developers was founded for developers by developers. It is now a valuable resource for people who want to make the most of their mobile devices, from customizing the look and feel to adding new functionality.
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You're considering rooting a device to freeze/remove system applications. I was talking about simply adding applications to a stock Android from Google Play. I fail to see the former being easier.
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If you are able to create custom ROM then removing unneeded apps (and even editing framework to cleanup from some useless features) is much easier than add absent functionality.
I suppose, we are on XDA, i.e. developer's forum right? If you are talking from regular user point of view who usually don't know what is "root", then it's out of scope of this board. Just buy Nexus device and then you are set.
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And here the "impossible":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
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I've told you already: there is no way to truly replace lockscreen by any other application. Lockscreen is a part of framework, not APK. I'm using android devices not the first year, and believe me, i've tried these apps long long time ago. These apps mimic lockscreen using some security holes in OS, but they are not replacing lockscreen. Actually, device remains unlocked all the time. Also there are many bugs and glitches because such apps trying to suppress original lockscreen with different kinds of success/fail.
As for modifying device: there are many ways to modify and it's not exactly by installing CM/AOSP. You can check my topics to see that i'm not just user.
XDA has been created long time before CM/AOSP and believe me there are many other good ways to modify the device. CM/AOSP have their own dedicated forums and repositories which should suit your needs better than XDA (if you want to compete in pointing directions to others).
P.S.: look into I9505G forum to see how users begging to add samsung's standard camera app which doesn't work on non-TW ROM.
Suggest them to install some app from Google play
The same can tell about video player and amount of video and audio codecs integrated into TW ROM. On TW ROM i can use nearly any music player and able to playback almost any audio and video. On GE ROM you have to find special audio player having support of some specific format, and then try to get used to its bugs without choice to switch to another player. With video player it's even worse...
Also, CM/AOSP usually don't have tight integration when it comes to Hardware 3D acceleration. Some selected devices (usually Nexus and GE devices) have good 3D support, but only some.
The truth is: Some people wanna to install CM/AOSP and then they realize they miss many useful (usually not noticeable when it presents) features. That's why custom TW ROMs are present and have a lot or users.
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The truth is: Some people wanna to install CM/AOSP and then they realize they miss many useful (usually not noticeable when it presents) features. That's why custom TW ROMs are present and have a lot or users.
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I never denied that TW based ROMs have value for some people, just that as well stock Android is much more attractive for others. If not we wouldn't be discussing this and you wouldn't see the kind of activity we see in this forum.
And I still disagree on the "easier" issue but I fail to see any benefit in continuing the discussion.
got a weird question... where's the am/pm display on the 12 hour clock for the i9505G rom that i installed? hmm...
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got a weird question... where's the am/pm display on the 12 hour clock for the i9505G rom that i installed? hmm...
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Look at the window?
So this really isn't going anywhere?
HTC One has just been fully converted into the GPe.
I was really hoping there was some kind of solution for this conversion
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work guys!
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So this really isn't going anywhere?
HTC One has just been fully converted into the GPe.
I was really hoping there was some kind of solution for this conversion
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work guys!
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Why would you need to ? You have CM/TW/GE to choose from when using the i9505 partition layout. Took us a couple of hours to get KitKat after the GE got it (broodplank delivered AOSP 4.4 even earlier).
hello guys...
Just wanted to know why nexus 5 doesn't have special features such as camera effects, special effects for home screen or so on..
That's because Nexus line of devices come with pure vanilla android!
If you want those effects, there are tons of apps available on the playstore
You do realise what Vanilla means right?
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hello guys...
Just wanted to know why nexus 5 doesn't have special features such as camera effects, special effects for home screen or so on..
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As stated its because we have pure "vanilla" android. It's a bit boring to some but its exciting for those that want speed and love to hack/modify.
Think of it this way. The Nexus 5 is like a Lamborghini (uncomfortable to drive, but very fast), phones like the G2 are like a Mercedes still pretty fast (not as fast as the Lambo) but its more luxurious and packed with features.
The main feature exclusive to the Nexus 5 is timely updates straight from Google.
sent from my neXus 5
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You do realise what Vanilla means right?
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Yeah http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software
Anyway the reason is of course that the software is built from aosp with Google addons, while this is also the case for any other device, except those have their respective customisations on top of aosp and Google addons.
So nexus 5 has plenty of special features, they are just not exclusive, as Google is about software and makes money from all android devices, and allows all OEMS to use these features, while the OEMS want to keep their features exclusive in order to attract customers to their devices.
So every time Google adds new features, its also rolled out to all other android devices.
Nikhil.1105 said:
hello guys...
Just wanted to know why nexus 5 doesn't have special features such as camera effects, special effects for home screen or so on..
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Welcome to the forum!
The features you mentioned are really easy to add if you are rooted. BEFORE you root, however, I strongly suggest that you read everything you can about the phone to become familiar with its native functionality (e.g., the sticky threads at the top of this forum) as well as the N5 Apps and Themes forum to get an idea of how you can mod (Browsing the Play Store and trying out apps is also a lot of fun). ONLY after you have read thoroughly everything mentioned above, you can decide if you'd like to root (which I recommend, because many great apps and mods require root) and, perhaps, try flashing some custom roms and kernels.
I'm familiar with Google play and have installed many apps from there, but I've not owned another Android phone. So I don't know what capabilities other high end phones have that are missing on the N5.
What are some of the better customizations some high end phones have that I could add to the N5 using which apps? I am rooted but would prefer to remain with stock rom 4.4.2 rather than flash a new rom.
Thanks.
Actually, we're still slightly modified from vanilla aosp. We have Google dialer lookup and photosphere.
Nexus 5 is developers phone and built on a budget
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Actually, we're still slightly modified from vanilla aosp. We have Google dialer lookup and photosphere.
Nexus 5 is developers phone and built on a budget
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Yeah that's right. AOSP also has Browser by default (not Chrome) and many other things...
We (Nexus + GPE Devices) have:
AOSP + Google Apps - Some AOSP Apps (that were replaced).
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I'm familiar with Google play and have installed many apps from there, but I've not owned another Android phone. So I don't know what capabilities other high end phones have that are missing on the N5.
What are some of the better customizations some high end phones have that I could add to the N5 using which apps? I am rooted but would prefer to remain with stock rom 4.4.2 rather than flash a new rom.
Thanks.
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Since you are rooted, I would suggest perhaps looking into xposed framework and the gravity box module, since it's essentially made for phones this close to stock android. You can enable a ton of useful features from there, all on the stock ROM. There are also kernels you can flash to attain certain features, such as the knock on screen to activate thingy that comes with the LG G2. There aren't really a tone of features that other phones have that the N5 doesn't, The base functions are essentially the same, they just present a ton of different ways to go about it. With gravity box, for example, you can make it so when you tap on the status bar the phone goes to sleep. You can really do anything you want as far as customization, but all smartphones essentially do the same thing ie:internet, phone calls, camera, bt, music etc. Since you went ahead and rooted, research custom recoveries and start going to town exploring options. There are a ton for a phone such as this, it's just a matter of sifting through all the option until you find exactly what you want. You can google the highlights that other OEMs provide and find a close-as-possible match for that feature, whether it be a module, rom or kernel. There are A TON of options, so don't get overwhelmed and have fun brother! Modding a Nexus is, in my opinion, more about the journey of exploring the possibilities rather than searching for the perfect set up. Welcome to the best phone out right now and if there is anything I can help you with, please feel free to PM me.
Thanks for replying. Because I've never used one of the other phones I just didn't know what I was "giving up" by going with Nexus.
I've been a user of Xposed Framework, Xgravity, Xprivacy, and Boot manager for some time and love them. Also greenify, titanium backup, Nova prime, and TWRP. I'm delighted with the phone but had no previous experience to compare it with which is why I asked the question.
For instance I've heard some users rave about their MotoX interface but I don't know what made it so special. Do you know?
(Still scared to go into kernels and different roms because everything is working so well and I don't want to mess things up).
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Thanks for replying. Because I've never used one of the other phones I just didn't know what I was "giving up" by going with Nexus.
I've been a user of Xposed Framework, Xgravity, Xprivacy, and Boot manager for some time and love them. Also greenify, titanium backup, Nova prime, and TWRP. I'm delighted with the phone but had no previous experience to compare it with which is why I asked the question.
For instance I've heard some users rave about their MotoX interface but I don't know what made it so special. Do you know?
(Still scared to go into kernels and different roms because everything is working so well and I don't want to mess things up).
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The 2 biggest aspects, as far as I understand, to what makes the Moto X so unique is the "always listening" feature, which we have with ok Google and the active display lockscreen, which shows messages and content from the lockscreen using a black background. Since it is AMOLED, that uses less battery than actually turning on the phone to look at the message. There are a couple app that can perform this function for any phone (AcDisplay and Dynamic Notifications.) While they are certainly cool, doesn't do us much good battery-savingwise because we don't have AMOLED screens. Moto X also uses its core in some way that is supposed to be more efficient...but I honesty haven't looked into it much : ) I completely understand about be wary with kernels and ROMs! I've been flashing assorted mods for a couple of years, but it took me some time to commit myself to doing it and I read and read and read because I didn't wanna jack anything up. Inevitably I did, but it was a learning experience. I completely understand about the stock ROM as well. I have tried a few ROMs and kernels on this phone and decided that I was perfectly happy with stock. I'm not even rooted anymore and I locked my bootloader back (shameful, I know. and though this kind of contradicts what I was saying about experimenting, stock is where I am the most satisfied...I've tried plenty of other ROMs, but I've found I crave true stability) This phone is a beast as is and the only reason I would ever root is just for gravity box, but I'm content for now. There are some bugs with stock, but Google is working on them and there should be an update in the near future.
Thank you.
Nikhil.1105 said:
hello guys...
Just wanted to know why nexus 5 doesn't have special features such as camera effects, special effects for home screen or so on..
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It does. It's the easiest phone to mod and comes with the largest mod community. That's a special feature that's why I buy it
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you guys forget that it does have a special feature, its googles baby, its a nexus. and like all nexus, its freedom in a device
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Thank you.
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NP bud
Nikhil.1105 said:
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Just wanted to know why nexus 5 doesn't have special features such as camera effects, special effects for home screen or so on..
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It's special because I CHOSE what makes it special. I can have camera effects or unique home screens with ease....it was built that way.
Thanks to all... But I don't know how to root.. And rooting will void my warranty.. And if in case something goes wrong in route then I will regret for it..
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Thanks to all... But I don't know how to root.. And rooting will void my warranty.. And if in case something goes wrong in route then I will regret for it..
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You will be happier with a different phone.
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Have anyone used CoverScreen OS or Samsprung in Z Flip 3? Which one do you think is better and which one is safer?
Edit : I decided to close the poll so that this thread will not be biased to one side. Let's just share the features and differences between both products and let anyone decide their own choice.
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Have anyone used CoverScreen OS or Samsprung in Z Flip 3? Which one do you think is better and which one is safer?
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Interesting question
It's difficult to answer because they are both under development and not finished apps
I am trying both of them and both craches from time to time, but as mentioned, beta versions
Personally I prefer Samsprung, there are news every day (several times usually) and I think it's really great, and well done job
Cover OS is way out of proportions regarding price, too expensive for a none working app, and also if it's working
At any time I would go for Samsprung
Just my opinion
Both developers have done a great job! thanks to them!
I'd also go with Samsprung. Way better support, updates, more features ect. The developer is also very responsive.
Cover Os has just entered Beta status and has a price tag that is obnoxious. Yes, i understand lots or blood, tears and work has gone into it, but as it still is, half baked software, the price is out of this world. We have to pay for something that we are testing, no thanks.
i'm totally fine paying when things are up and running as should, and i encourage both developers to put a price for their work. But as of now, no.
Of course Samsprung...
Do a poll, it'll answer you...
A few weeks ago I would have said CoveScreen OS, but the SamSpring suddenly took lead and I now find it superior.
The navbar, the customizable app launcher, keyboard(!), no features behind paywall, compatibility with stock widgets, super quick and responsive developer. It's an easy choice for me.
It's all wrong, trying to compare 2 apps trying to do different things - they are both in beta and developing very fast.
We are very lucky to have 2 very talented developers making that [ex-factory useless screen] into something geniunely useful.
Try each one - for a couple of days, not for 5 minutes. Then you have to reach your own conclusion.
And don't consider pricing for the moment, only once it/they are out of beta.
Please don't make a poll, that could impact development of one of the apps.
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It's all wrong, trying to compare 2 apps trying to do different things - they are both in beta and developing very fast.
We are very lucky to have 2 very talented developers making that [ex-factory useless screen] into something geniunely useful.
Try each one - for a couple of days, not for 5 minutes. Then you have to reach your own conclusion.
And don't consider pricing for the moment, only once it/they are out of beta.
Please don't make a poll, that could impact development of one of the apps.
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I agree with you 100% it's not fair on anyone to choose one or the other, there was a time when the moderators would have taken down a post such as this.
In my opinion this is a valid question.
Should you pay blindly for something that might not function correctly (beta) and you cannot test fully to see if it fills your needs.
or test something that is fully free and you can test all features and if they fills your needs.
But of course, test both. one you can test fully, the other you can.
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In my opinion this is a valid question.
Should you pay blindly for something that might not function correctly (beta) and you cannot test fully to see if it fills your needs.
or test something that is fully free and you can test all features and if they fills your needs.
But of course, test both. one you can test fully, the other you can.
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IMO since both are in development it's too early to even make a comparison. Both apps are moving very fast, so stability and functionality are not comparable. They are both moving targets at the moment
Maybe after both of their general availability, since then they are notionally stable.
If you're commenting about the subscription policy of one of them, I have tested its free version and haven't felt constrained. And there is no way that those values would fly in the Google Play universe, so I really doubt they are definitive values (time will tell, just my thoughts).
But still, once they are released and updates are incremental, why not run a poll.
Both applications interest me. I have only tried Coverscreen OS as I use Samsung Health persistently. I'm following both threads at present. Kudos to both developers
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Both applications interest me. I have only tried Coverscreen OS as I use Samsung Health persistently. I'm following both threads at present. Kudos to both developers
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You don't need to uninstall Health anymore
Yeah don't need to uninstall on Android 12
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You don't need to uninstall Health anymore
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Thank you for this! Much appreciated.
I'm brand new to this phone and kinda not impressed with it (so far)..I'm a serious gadget nerd, so the flip/fold tech played too big a part in my decision to get it..I'd watched a samsprung video before I'd bought it so did expect a lot more use of the front screen than I get at the minute...like I said I am new to it so hoping to like it more the more I get to do with it but a quick question about samsprung, can it be used on android 12 or no? I updated the phone soon as I got it, then started seeing that it can't be used with A12!? Is there a way/work around?
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I'm brand new to this phone and kinda not impressed with it (so far)..I'm a serious gadget nerd, so the flip/fold tech played too big a part in my decision to get it..I'd watched a samsprung video before I'd bought it so did expect a lot more use of the front screen than I get at the minute...like I said I am new to it so hoping to like it more the more I get to do with it but a quick question about samsprung, can it be used on android 12 or no? I updated the phone soon as I got it, then started seeing that it can't be used with A12!? Is there a way/work around?
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SamSprung TooUI - Cover Screen Home (FREE) [ZF3]
Welcome to the original "Z Flip 3 Launcher" A complete home experience on the cover screen. Compatible with all current "Flip" devices. TooUI adds cover screen support for apps, full notifications, widgets, quick toggles, voice launch, custom...
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Both are pretty cool and somehow useful. Personally I don't use them because I don't need them and everything I'd like to have is just some more widget on the stock cover screen. However we're pretty luck to have those two developers here.
CoverScreen OS ask for way too many permissions, some really strange, i was not to ever able to run it, so yes for Samsprung
For me, the UI/UX of CoverScreen OS is better.