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Report Moderator Abusing XDA Privileges

I have received an 'infraction' from an XDA Moderator know as "Fallen Spartan".
As the thread is now edited by him, you can't see my post that he described "spam". The thread although is here.
The story is, Fallen Spartan had just asked everyone on the forum to stay on topic. Somebody then put a GIF (he quotes it was a PNG, he is wrong) of Michal Jackson eating popcorn at the movies right after his "stay on topic" post. I then replied "Yes, that's really staying on topic, thanks" and I received this notice.
Our regular Atrix forum mod is Mr. Clown. He has been a good mod so far and does what is necessary. Now we have this new guy, Fallen Spartan...
I want to know how to report him, as I believe he is abusing his XDA responsibility.
If you think I'm crazy, and he did the right thing, please say that also.
Thank you.
~BM~
PS: Here is the message I received from Fallen Spartan
Fallen Spartan said:
Dear BravoMotorola,
You have received an infraction at xda-developers.
Reason: Single Post or Low Level Spamming
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Going off topic when I asked everyone to stay on topic
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This infraction is worth 3 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.
All the best,
xda-developers
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=XDA-Developers:Administrators
http://www.xda-developers.com/contact/
http://www.xda-developers.com/contact/#abuse
maybe those might help?

I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.

I have looked at that thread, and it does appear to have members consistently taking the thread off topic.
That is a DEVELOPMENT thread, and I see a fair bit of persistent off topic. The thread was derailed persistently, and it's a very important thread for users of the Atrix. there were numerous requests by members to keep it clean of junk, and this didn't happen.
The correct course of action here is to not reply or continue the off-topic, and hit the report button at the top right of the posts.
Also, you will find Fallen Spartan is in fact a member of the MC, and thus more than capable of dealing with cases such as this.
An infraction is a warning or "reminder" not to do something again, and does not cause any restrictions or other consequences.

pulser_g2 said:
I have looked at that thread, and it does appear to have members consistently taking the thread off topic.
That is a DEVELOPMENT thread, and I see a fair bit of persistent off topic. The thread was derailed persistently, and it's a very important thread for users of the Atrix. there were numerous requests by members to keep it clean of junk, and this didn't happen.
The correct course of action here is to not reply or continue the off-topic, and hit the report button at the top right of the posts.
Also, you will find Fallen Spartan is in fact a member of the MC, and thus more than capable of dealing with cases such as this.
An infraction is a warning or "reminder" not to do something again, and does not cause any restrictions or other consequences.
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here we are for to learn or enjoy with our devices, some times its funny, somtimes it´s serious, but i think here we aren´t for to discuss badly or to give the orders gifs to joke of some comments...
These situations must be cut and the MODERATOR is the manager of it, he chooses how to finish it

sohanlon07 said:
I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.
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That sounds a bit too negative. I would like to add that this forum and site is fantastic. I have learned more about Android in a few weeks on this site than I would have trawling through manuals and websites. The work people put in to this site is commendable and that includes the moderators. Where else would you get such passion, innovation and good advice? So keep up the good work all and apologies if my comment sounded too negative.

The Mod asked people to stay ontopic. So you responded to an offtopic post with another offtopic post. You get told not to do this through an infraction and you whine about it? You sound like a 5 year old crying because someone else got some chocolate and your parents wont buy you some too. If you have a complaint go through the correct channels and try not to sound so self entitled. Live, Learn and move on.

sohanlon07 said:
So keep up the good work all and apologies if my comment sounded too negative.
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under my opinion, your comment don´t sounds negative, and it´s the true... i think there isn´t any development forum better than XDA for develop or learn...
i´m spanish user, i talk a little bit english languaje and soo poor lol... and there are a lot of forums in spanish web but not so complete as this one, i believe that it does not cost anything to take care of this web and to follow the procedure of use..

Yes, you are correct, it was a gif file, not a jng. My mistake, but that had no relevance on me giving you an infraction
I understand your feelings about receiving an infraction and I know Mr Clown may let things slide, but you have to understand we received numerous complaints about that particular thread going off topic so I felt we (the mod team) needed to intervene. I cleaned the thread and left a gentle reminder for all to please abide by forum rules and keep thread on topic. Now the following 3-4 posts where the exact opposite of what I was hoping for. Yes, the first was in good nature, but it just encouraged everyone to do the exact opposite of what I said. No actions go without consequences and if I let those posts slide with no punishment other members would see this and also act inappropriately. Instead of you carrying on off topic and posting your post, all you had to do was report the post above you. But in turn your post also encouraged others to post off topic. I hope you understand my reasons. I do not go out actively dishing out infractions, but I will when I see it necessary. You only received a 3 point infraction which is not a permanent record against you, if is just a gentle reminder to abide by our forum rules and it will not be held against you if any further instances arose.
As for you reporting me, please do if you feel you have been harshly punished. Contact site admin mikechannon and he will look into my behaviour.
All mods have to abide by the same rules as you and everyone else.
Best regards
Rick
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The thread which I cleaned had over 15 pages of posts. After I cleaned it this number was reduced by half.....hence why we received so many complaints about thread in question and why I took action. Normally I would leave it to the FSM for that forum (Mr Clown), but unfortunately he wasn't online at the time
sohanlon07 said:
I have noticed as a new user that some moderators appear to take their jobs a little bit too seriously on here. Little bit of power drives them mad!! Its crazy so it is.
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I'm sorry you feel this way. Let me know of any examples and I will investigate them
Rick

BravoMotorola said:
I have received an 'infraction' from an XDA Moderator know as "Fallen Spartan".
As the thread is now edited by him, you can't see my post that he described "spam". The thread although is here.
The story is, Fallen Spartan had just asked everyone on the forum to stay on topic. Somebody then put a GIF (he quotes it was a PNG, he is wrong) of Michal Jackson eating popcorn at the movies right after his "stay on topic" post. I then replied "Yes, that's really staying on topic, thanks" and I received this notice.
Our regular Atrix forum mod is Mr. Clown. He has been a good mod so far and does what is necessary. Now we have this new guy, Fallen Spartan...
I want to know how to report him, as I believe he is abusing his XDA responsibility.
If you think I'm crazy, and he did the right thing, please say that also.
Thank you.
~BM~
PS: Here is the message I received from Fallen Spartan
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As one of the site's administrators, I am supposed to have some sort of decorum in the way I approach people, but this "new guy" as you call him has been part of the moderating team in this site for a very long time. As some others said earlier in this thread, infractions are just a reminder that you are doing something that is against the rules. Not cooperating with moderators is against the rules. In this particular case, Rick did nothing more than to clean a development thread from clutter posts and specifically asked that posts on that thread be relevant to the conversation taking place. You decided to reply to an OT post with another OT post (I honestly don't care if it was a png, a gif, a jpeg, or whatever format of image you used, so please don't hang on to trivial things in the matter). You went ahead and added a post that was not related to the thread's main subject, effectively going against a direct request from a moderator. It is the equivalent of being pulled over by a cop for speeding and left off with a warning, and the first thing you do the moment you turn on your car is to go from 0-100 mph in 10 sec right in front of the cop. What did you think was gonna happen?
At this point in time, I will consider this matter closed. If you come across a real injustice by a moderator, please feel free to contact either mikechannon or me.
Thanks.

These forums would be unbearable and unusable without the mods and the good work they do. All i see are kids with entitlement issues who need to learn how to moderate themselves better.

egzthunder1 said:
As one of the site's administrators, I am supposed to have some sort of decorum in the way I approach people, but this "new guy" as you call him has been part of the moderating team in this site for a very long time. As some others said earlier in this thread, infractions are just a reminder that you are doing something that is against the rules. Not cooperating with moderators is against the rules. In this particular case, Rick did nothing more than to clean a development thread from clutter posts and specifically asked that posts on that thread be relevant to the conversation taking place. You decided to reply to an OT post with another OT post (I honestly don't care if it was a png, a gif, a jpeg, or whatever format of image you used, so please don't hang on to trivial things in the matter). You went ahead and added a post that was not related to the thread's main subject, effectively going against a direct request from a moderator. It is the equivalent of being pulled over by a cop for speeding and left off with a warning, and the first thing you do the moment you turn on your car is to go from 0-100 mph in 10 sec right in front of the cop. What did you think was gonna happen?
At this point in time, I will consider this matter closed. If you come across a real injustice by a moderator, please feel free to contact either mikechannon or me.
Thanks.
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As I say "new guy" I mean "new guy" to the Atrix sub forums specifically. I see some people here saying what he did was his choice and it is fine that he did it, and a couple that think it was too much or thinks that a lot of the forum moderators are being more strict...
I know that this infraction is no big deal at all, I've known that all along. Regardless, I fell as I am being yelled at. And no matter a "big deal" or just a "warning"...I don't think it was at all necessary.
It doesn't seem to myself that I am making a big deal, but maybe I am and I just don't realize it. I won't report anyone. I don't want to try to over power anyone because I can't. And even if I could, now that I've calmed, I wouldn't. I don't want to make anyone mad, and I don't want to waste my time.
Maybe I just need to realize some moderators are more strict than others, so I should follow the rules closely at all times.
Thank you for your post, and please do close this thread.
~BM~

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New Moderator!

Hello folks, my name is conantroutman and I'll be your forum moderator this evening...
Some of you may have noticed that Mr. Clown has been promoted to Senior Moderator, I am here to replace him.
I know I've got some big shoes to fill (pun intended). Clown shoes..... get it?....nevermind.. but I will try to keep on top of things and make sure the forums stay as tidy and organised as possible.
If you have any suggestions on how to improve this little section of XDA then just drop me a PM or leave a post in this thread and I'll see what I can do.
Should you encounter any issues that require moderation then don't hesitate to drop me a PM. Serious issues should be reported using the "Report Post" button at the top right of each post, minor issues (misplaced/duplicate threads, spam etc etc..) should just be reported directly to me via PM.
Enjoy...
Oh yeah, heres a little reminder of the forum rules.......
Forum & Marketplace Rules
FORUM RULES​
1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
2. Member conduct.
2.1 Language: XDA is a worldwide community. As a result what is ‘ok’ to say in your part of the world may not be ok in someone else’s part of the world. Please think about who is reading what you write. Keep in mind that what you think of as acceptable use of language may not be acceptable to others. Conversely, while reading member posts, remember that word you find offensive may not be to the writer. Tolerance is a two way street.
2.2 Nudity: XDA is used by people of all ages, including minors. It's not acceptable to post nude/pornographic imagery, which includes exposure of the male or female genitalia or of female breasts.
2.3 Flaming: XDA was founded as a group of people sharing information about certain mobile phones. Sharing does not involve virtual yelling (flaming) it does involve working together to solve problems in an environment of mutual respect and understanding. Losing your temper and flaming another member, or group of members, is not acceptable behavior.
2.4 Personal attacks, racial, political and/or religious discussions: XDA is a discussion forum about certain mobile phones. Mobile phones are not racial, political, religious or personally offensive, therefore none of these types of discussions are permitted on XDA.
2.5 New Members: Treat new members the way you would have liked to have been treated when you were a new member. Provide the new members with guidance, advice and instruction always with respect and courtesy.
2.6 All members are expected to read and adhere to the XDA rules.
3. Post only using a clear subject and message.
You're most likely to receive a helpful answer to your question if you use a short subject title that describes your problem and a message that explains in detail what your problem is and what you've tried to solve it.
4. Use the English language.
We understand that with all the different nationalities not everyone speaks English well, but please try. If you're really unable to post in English use an online translator, You're free to include your original message in your own language below the English translation.
5. Post a message only once.
As a large forum we don't need unnecessary clutter, You're free to edit your message as you like, so if you do not receive an answer revisit your message and see if you can describe your problem better. Not everyone is online at the same time, it might take a while before you receive an answer.
6. Do not post warez.
If a piece of software requires you to pay to use it, either pay or find your cracks and serials somewhere else. We do not accept warez nor do we permit any member to promote or describe ways in which Warez, cracks, serial codes or other means of avoiding payment, can be obtained.
7. Do not spam.
If you wish to advertise a product, contact us we provide ads. But do not post it in the forums, it will be removed and you're likely to receive a ban.
You are however allowed to sell used goods like your own device, parts of your device or accessories for your device in the marketplace forum, please read the rules there before posting. (This rule includes signatures, if you use a signature it will appear in your post)
8. Donations.
We appreciate all donations to xda-developers.com, it keeps our forum online and well maintained. As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.
10. Help others if you can.
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
11. Don’t post with the intent on selling something.
As an elaboration to rule number 7, don’t use XDA to advertise your product or service. If you are the proprietor of a for-pay product or service, you may use XDA to get feedback, provide beta access, or offer support on the product, but you may not make any posts with the primary intent of selling. This includes posting press releases, announcements, or links to downloads for trial software. The only exception to this is when you’re posting an exclusive release to XDA.
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.

Welcome!
I hope you're the aggressive type.

Welcome to the Inspire section. It's sad to see Mr. Clown go but new blood isn't a bad thing.

Thanks guys
Like I said, any issues, gimme a shout!

helushune said:
Welcome to the Inspire section. It's sad to see Mr. Clown go but new blood isn't a bad thing.
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Thanks, I'll be around though for supporting conantroutman if he needs me. I'm sure he will do the best to keep the forum running smoothly since he and all the mod team is committed to bring the best quality service and support to this community and site.
I was so glad to be your moderator all of this time, indeed this is one of the most professional, friendly and cooperatve forums I was moderating.
Cheers,

My greetings to the new FSM, Welcome

Welcome also!

Welcome, your going to have fun here

Thanks guys and thanks to Mr Clown....
The forums I've taken over from him are all so clean and tidy I barely need to do anything

conantroutman said:
Thanks guys and thanks to Mr Clown....
The forums I've taken over from him are all so clean and tidy I barely need to do anything
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Lol. Just wait til the five new threads/minute jokers arrive.

conantroutman, i have to ask about your avatar. Are you a Reason user or did you just like the logo?

Pirateghost said:
conantroutman, i have to ask about your avatar. Are you a Reason user or did you just like the logo?
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A bit of both my good man, I've been a diehard reason fanboy for many moons now
Your the first to comment on that btw....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

conantroutman said:
A bit of both my good man, I've been a diehard reason fanboy for many moons now
Your the first to comment on that btw....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
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I have been a Reason user since about 2002-2003

Welcome from a junior member

Big Shoes to fill... Clown Shoes! That was freaking awesome - had me doubled over. Mr. Clown was awesome, but I swear that Damn pic he had will be etched in my mind for eternity - won't miss that much at all..... *shiver*
Congrats and Rock it Out!

conantroutman welcome to the Inspire section im new to this and all so yeah! hope that you being here will be awesome! never really got to meet Mr. Clown so i dont really know him im new to this and ive only been rooted for a week but im pretty sure Mr. Clown was cool anyways good luck conantroutman!

And now for someone completely different....
Hello, I have been made forum moderator here in the Inspire 4G forums, conantroutman has been kicked upstairs (congratulations to him!). Please let me know if you need any help at all

reinbeau said:
Hello, I have been made forum moderator here in the Inspire 4G forums, conantroutman has been kicked upstairs (congratulations to him!). Please let me know if you need any help at all
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Welcome. If you need anything feel free to shoot me a pm as i am in these forums most of the time.

reinbeau said:
Hello, I have been made forum moderator here in the Inspire 4G forums, conantroutman has been kicked upstairs (congratulations to him!). Please let me know if you need any help at all
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Just noticed we have a new moderator. I don't make it to the stickies much. Welcome
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App.

Gizmoe said:
Just noticed we have a new moderator. I don't make it to the stickies much. Welcome
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App.
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Thank you - glad to be here!

xda-developers Avatar/Icon

I was bored decided to make these Avatar/Icon for Xda enjoy.

Nicely done!
Btw, when will you add more apps to the Cairo Marketplace? :O

CairoMarketplace will be updated soon been busy. in two days i will have more free paid apps on the app. stay tuned.

CairoMarketplace said:
CairoMarketplace will be updated soon been busy. in two days i will have more free paid apps on the app. stay tuned.
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My mistake Cairo. Apparently it is ok to advertise your marketplace. I am sorry for calling you a dirtbag, and I hope you prosper from the hard work of others.

lowandbehold said:
XDA does not support piracy...dirtbag.
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Apparently that avatar he posted is piracy... Please re-read the rules (the part about being respectful) http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81 .
I personally view this post as a Flaming (2.3), Personal Attack(2.4) with questionable language(2.1) that doesn't show any courtesy(2.5) to other members and shows that you obviously haven't read and aren't capable of following the rules of the forum (2.6). That's all the rules regarding conduct except nudity, who would you infract? If you have a problem with a post/thread report it rather than getting yourself into trouble. Consider this a friendly warning since the OP decided not to report your post.

Willis111 said:
Apparently that avatar he posted is piracy... Please re-read the rules (the part about being respectful) http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?a=81 .
I personally view this post as a Flaming (2.3), Personal Attack(2.4) with questionable language(2.1) that doesn't show any courtesy(2.5) to other members and shows that you obviously haven't read and aren't capable of following the rules of the forum (2.6). That's all the rules regarding conduct except nudity, who would you infract? If you have a problem with a post/thread report it rather than getting yourself into trouble. Consider this a friendly warning since the OP decided not to report your post.
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Umm, I was talking about the app he is spamming about. He has another post in the general forum about it. CairoMarketplace is an applanet style app that offers paid apps for free. Is that not piracy?
And I have reported both of his posts and yet they still sit on our general forum.

lowandbehold said:
Umm, I was talking about the app he is spamming about. He has another post in the general forum about it. CairoMarketplace is an applanet style app that offers paid apps for free. Is that not piracy?
And I have reported both of his posts and yet they still sit on our general forum.
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Then report it to a mod, stalking him around the forums flamming all his other posts WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. I hope you can understand that.

Willis111 said:
Then report it to a mod, stalking him around the forums flamming all his other posts WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. I hope you can understand that.
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Umm, I did report it. And aren't you a mod? And I also reported his other thread.

lowandbehold said:
Umm, I did report it. And aren't you a mod? And I also reported his other thread.
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Exactly, you reported another thread and came over here to start a flame war in this one too? Guy posted an avatar for people, how is that warez or advertising, it says XDA on it not Cairo anything. Yes, I agree that CairoMarket is warez and it's been being discussed but that doesn't mean you should search the users name, post a snide response in every thread he ever created and report every thread he ever created regardless if it doesn't even violate the rules here on xda. Again, stalking users, creating drama, flame wars etc = no no. You reported it, report received, let the mods take care of it because all this childish behaviour will do is get you in trouble too. Please keep this in mind.
Regards,
Will

Willis111 said:
Exactly, you reported another thread and came over here to start a flame war in this one too? Guy posted an avatar for people, how is that warez or advertising, it says XDA on it not Cairo anything. Yes, I agree that CairoMarket is warez and it's been being discussed but that doesn't mean you should search the users name, post a snide response in every thread he ever created and report every thread he ever created regardless if it doesn't even violate the rules here on xda. Again, stalking users, creating drama, flame wars etc = no no. You reported it, report received, let the mods take care of it because all this childish behaviour will do is get you in trouble too. Please keep this in mind.
Regards,
Will
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Got it. I edited my dirtbag post. Not that it matters, but I was referring to post #3 of the thread.

lowandbehold said:
Got it. I edited my dirtbag post. Not that it matters, but I was referring to post #3 of the thread.
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Tyvm for your cooperation in this matter, again mods are and will be looking at this market place app as I totally agree it is warez. Just saying the proper channels are there for a reason.

For all members(junior/senior)

This thread is for all normal members(junior members) and especially senior members.
I seldom post something unless I feel that it is necessary and is useful for others.
So, everyday I just come here and watch silently.
Today, I want to post all the problems I saw as I think you all should be aware of it.
As you all know especially senior members, anything not related to development should be post in the general section or in the particular discussion thread right?
While some members still wrongly post it in the dev thread.
When this happens, some senior members(I don't want to mention the name here) still replying to that thread saying that:
"XXX members, you are wrongly post in this thread, you should post in XXX section." or
"you know you are polluting the thread with some unrelated thing or etc." or
"do you know there is a discussion thread?
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When you are posting this kind of thread, do you aware that your action is nothing different with the members who wrongly post in that particular thread?
You are still polluting the thread, you are still posting irrelevant things in the thread.
Why don't you just ignore it or just report it?
Next, I found that some members are quite stubborn, doesn't want to follow the rules and always cleverly "decorate" the ETA post so that it looks like not ETA post.
We are not fools, mod are not fools, no matter how you rephrase it, we still know.
1. how is the progress?
2. when will you release it?
3. any problem you faced? any news?
4. etc.
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This are all "categorized" as ETA post.
I'm sick of this kind of post where half of them post by the same member.
Next, I also found that some members always think "negatively" about something.
We can't control what you want to think but please don't affect other members with all your negativity?
Sometimes, things just might not go well as we predict but hope is better than despair.
So, don't post something "negative" especially you are not sure about it.
You don't want the devs to give up or abandon their works/efforts right?
Next, this is for junior member. If you want to ask something, please use search function provided in this forum.
Or, you can use google to search xda, eg. type in "forum xda i9003 battery life" to search for anything related on i9003 battery life in xda.
P.S. the bold text can be replace by anything you are looking for.
And before reporting some bugs, please check whether it has been reported by other members and report with sufficient helpful documents(logs/logcat/ways to replicate the issue).
Last, an advise to all members, if you are not helping the devs(reporting bugs/discuss coding related issue), please don't post anything in the devs thread.
Any other questions should be in general section or that particular discussion thread.
If you don't know what to post, just keep your mouse away from "new thread" and "post reply" buttons.
I know some ppl will always try to defend their action/behavior with any excuses "available", this thread is not asking your opinion or comment.
Just think in your head whether what I wrote here is correct or not.
PLEASE DON'T REPLY YOUR OPINIONS/COMMENTS.
FOR THOSE WHO THINK THIS THREAD IS HELPFUL, JUST CLICK THE "THANKS" BUTTON IS ENOUGH. KEEP THIS AS A GOOD CULTURE IN THIS FORUM.
I hope this thread can help the forum to be better.

Well put, stickied.

Why so arrogant?

I just joined to this forum, and have found few insightful information
But sometimes, I found that few members are so arrogant just because they understand how to mod, root, etc
Do we need to become an android-expert first here, so other members can respect us as well?

Usually because the poster has not bothered to even read the basics and require spoon.feeding .
One could ask why you post three identical posts .

aliarroughi said:
I just joined to this forum, and have found few insightful information
But sometimes, I found that few members are so arrogant just because they understand how to mod, root, etc
Do we need to become an android-expert first here, so other members can respect us as well?
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XDA is a great place for learning and sharing informations As most members are probably humans it may happen that they act like that...
It was great if every new member would read the FORUM RULES before posting. That would avoid some of the trouble you mentioned.
A great example:
"1. Search before posting."
(I suppose 50% of my answers are generated by typing the exact same thing someone asks for into google and press search...)

This thread has been posted in a few places. Please don't make duplicate threads.
Thread closed.
Thanks,
Darth
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