I just joined to this forum, and have found few insightful information
But sometimes, I found that few members are so arrogant just because they understand how to mod, root, etc
Do we need to become an android-expert first here, so other members can respect us as well?
Usually because the poster has not bothered to even read the basics and require spoon.feeding .
One could ask why you post three identical posts .
aliarroughi said:
I just joined to this forum, and have found few insightful information
But sometimes, I found that few members are so arrogant just because they understand how to mod, root, etc
Do we need to become an android-expert first here, so other members can respect us as well?
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XDA is a great place for learning and sharing informations As most members are probably humans it may happen that they act like that...
It was great if every new member would read the FORUM RULES before posting. That would avoid some of the trouble you mentioned.
A great example:
"1. Search before posting."
(I suppose 50% of my answers are generated by typing the exact same thing someone asks for into google and press search...)
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Darth
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Got some cleanup requests already, so I figured this might help.
The thing with dev thread "spam" is that it is really in the eye of the beholder. :cyclops:
Ultimately it is up to us mods of course but getting some guidance by the devs would be helpful. We can do a thread cleaning on request of the OP, but what I view as "spam" is not necessarily the same as wardfan220's definition of spam. Or the OP's definition of spam.
Everybody knows it when they see it, but what I see is not what you see.
Please do not respond to those posts or troll or flame the poster. Instead, click on the little triangle button in the upper corner of the post and report it so that wardfan220 and I might deal with it appropriately. We aren't trying to stop people from posting, we are trying to teach them to post appropriately.
Some general types of posts that get reported are:
"Thanks for a great ROM" posts
"ETA" posts
"Bug reports" without proper troubleshooting or logging
"Didn't read the OP" posts
Off Topic for various reasons
Please consider this from two angles. What is unacceptable from a new user with 10 posts is often tolerated or even acceptable when done by a senior member or a dev team member for each example above. This can often lead to a perception of unfairness, from both sides.
We will get PM's by new users asking, "why did you delete my "thanks" post in the dev thread and not delete member xxxxxxx's "thanks" post? Is it because member xxxxxxx has 150 posts and I have 10?"
We will get PM's from current users asking "why did you delete my Only-Slightly-Off-Topic post in the dev thread? I have been a good member and it was just a little off topic and the dev doesn't mind".
If the devs could write up some general rules or guidelines as to what they find acceptable or not in their first or second post, when they ask for a thread cleaning or when members report posts as "dev thread spam", it would be very helpful to us making a more informed decision on what is spam and what is not, and have a better chance of getting the dev/OPs desired results, whether in avoiding posts or after the party cleanup.
Discussions and thoughts are welcome.
Thank you,
mf2112
^^ I agree that there is a very fine line between what's acceptable and what's not.
Earlier, I planned on making an "Etiquette thread" just for general guidance, but seeing some replies from fellow members on other thread, gave up on it.
One thing I believe in is that asking for ETA is definitely spam, irrespective of what beautiful wrapper it's wrapped in, because it basically undermines whatever the developer has done so far, in her/her personal time. So, if reported, these posts should be warned.
Other thing I believe is people should be more lenient towards "New users". Instead of scaring them away, or instead of spoonfeeding them with answers, they should be directed to correct thread, where they can read/understand what's going on, and maybe be directed towards development/modding/porting/etc. That's the only way 9003 would be out of "low activity device"
Will add more(got some more as I did a lot of thinking on this) later on, as I need to get a haircut now.
Thanks for this discussion.
Well i admit i am pretty aggressive to noobs which is wrong and against the rules in the first place, but some of them just get on my nerves.
They sometimes just call me or a dev fags / (place world's insults here) for helping them with their question and then sticking a "It's not the right place to ask such questions' note or because a dev is taking his time and not updating something every second.
Others also ignore all other posts / instructions, ask the same question and keep spamming and not accepting to follow the installation instructions again, they don't even post a logcat/whatever to support their claims.
I mostly resort to being a little aggressive and reporting the post if they don't cooperate.. Now i am not a mod, but i don't like being treated like that or seeing some respected member getting insulted because of a fat lazy noob not doing anything and insulting everyone.
Conclusion:
I agree with everything you said here and i do think mods should work with devs and members directly and should take some serious actions against offenders from now on.
I really feel bad for you with having to deal with such issues daily
Goodluck!
Has there been any luck with this idea?
Have devs even attempted it or just ignored this post?
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Not much response, but that's ok.
That's a shame really because it's a really good idea.
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This thread is for all normal members(junior members) and especially senior members.
I seldom post something unless I feel that it is necessary and is useful for others.
So, everyday I just come here and watch silently.
Today, I want to post all the problems I saw as I think you all should be aware of it.
As you all know especially senior members, anything not related to development should be post in the general section or in the particular discussion thread right?
While some members still wrongly post it in the dev thread.
When this happens, some senior members(I don't want to mention the name here) still replying to that thread saying that:
"XXX members, you are wrongly post in this thread, you should post in XXX section." or
"you know you are polluting the thread with some unrelated thing or etc." or
"do you know there is a discussion thread?
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When you are posting this kind of thread, do you aware that your action is nothing different with the members who wrongly post in that particular thread?
You are still polluting the thread, you are still posting irrelevant things in the thread.
Why don't you just ignore it or just report it?
Next, I found that some members are quite stubborn, doesn't want to follow the rules and always cleverly "decorate" the ETA post so that it looks like not ETA post.
We are not fools, mod are not fools, no matter how you rephrase it, we still know.
1. how is the progress?
2. when will you release it?
3. any problem you faced? any news?
4. etc.
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This are all "categorized" as ETA post.
I'm sick of this kind of post where half of them post by the same member.
Next, I also found that some members always think "negatively" about something.
We can't control what you want to think but please don't affect other members with all your negativity?
Sometimes, things just might not go well as we predict but hope is better than despair.
So, don't post something "negative" especially you are not sure about it.
You don't want the devs to give up or abandon their works/efforts right?
Next, this is for junior member. If you want to ask something, please use search function provided in this forum.
Or, you can use google to search xda, eg. type in "forum xda i9003 battery life" to search for anything related on i9003 battery life in xda.
P.S. the bold text can be replace by anything you are looking for.
And before reporting some bugs, please check whether it has been reported by other members and report with sufficient helpful documents(logs/logcat/ways to replicate the issue).
Last, an advise to all members, if you are not helping the devs(reporting bugs/discuss coding related issue), please don't post anything in the devs thread.
Any other questions should be in general section or that particular discussion thread.
If you don't know what to post, just keep your mouse away from "new thread" and "post reply" buttons.
I know some ppl will always try to defend their action/behavior with any excuses "available", this thread is not asking your opinion or comment.
Just think in your head whether what I wrote here is correct or not.
PLEASE DON'T REPLY YOUR OPINIONS/COMMENTS.
FOR THOSE WHO THINK THIS THREAD IS HELPFUL, JUST CLICK THE "THANKS" BUTTON IS ENOUGH. KEEP THIS AS A GOOD CULTURE IN THIS FORUM.
I hope this thread can help the forum to be better.
Well put, stickied.
where do we supposed to reply in this forum? if we make a new thread here, they will closed it. if we reply to the topic that we needed, we are not allowed. what will we do here?
New version for taptalk have this problem .. just try many time it will work
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zerovirusity said:
where do we supposed to reply in this forum? if we make a new thread here, they will closed it. if we reply to the topic that we needed, we are not allowed. what will we do here?
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You need to fulfill the 10 post rule first. Most threads are development threads, therefore new members are not allowed to post until the 10 post minimum is met. This doesn't mean go and make 10 spam/junk/worthless posts either. Someone is always watching for this kind of behaviour.
zerovirusity said:
to all members here, although we are newbies here, we are aware of the rules in this forum because i am also a member in some forums. i hope you will considerate us. we chose to be a member here because this forum has a lot of things that we needed and some answers for our questions. if that's the case that we need to post 10 or more than posts, then please allow us here to post. don't closed it first until we reach 10 posts.
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Threads are only closed for irrelevant posts/spam. Make a worthwhile post and it won't be deleted/locked/removed. Pretty simple really. Everyone needs to bear in mind that this forum is intended for developers. Which 90% or better of you are not.
There are already plenty of threads that discuss this topic, so we don't need a new once (hence the closure).
One of my favourite reasons for the 10 post rule is that it encourages most users (the less spammy and needy ones) to spend more time reading than trying to post in development forums. If you do spend enough time reading you find that 99% of your questions have already been answered, and you learn a hell of a lot and start being able to answer questions yourself. That's a great way to take part in the community as a contributing member. In fairness, if you come here to leech and not participate then you're not adding anything to the forum.
Anyway, if you want more info then see the link in my signature about 10 posts - that should answer more questions
I just joined to this forum, and have found few insightful information
But sometimes, I found that few members are so arrogant just because they understand how to mod, root, etc
Do we need to become an android-expert first here, so other members can respect us as well?
They really could be less arrogant to new users, its like they living in their own universe completely detached from reality.
This thread has been posted in a few places. Please don't make duplicate threads.
Thread closed.
Thanks,
Darth
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