Will the U11 not work on AT&T next year? - HTC U11 Questions & Answers

I was just notified that AT&T is upgrading and ridding themselves of 3G. I was also given a list of phones that will still work on the network. The U11 was not included in the list, but my ancient One M9 was. That doesn't make much sense. So will the U11 become obsolete on the AT&T network next year? Any insight on this matter?

MattP410 said:
I was just notified that AT&T is upgrading and ridding themselves of 3G. I was also given a list of phones that will still work on the network. The U11 was not included in the list, but my ancient One M9 was. That doesn't make much sense. So will the U11 become obsolete on the AT&T network next year? Any insight on this matter?
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Matt from everything I have read,, yes att and cricket both the same company will shut down their 3g network and go with only phones capable of "hd voice" and our htc u11 from what i can gather does not have this quality/software/ chipset or what ever it is,, built in..
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What is HD voice? And why is phone call quality usually so bad?
We're used to seeing the HD moniker on videos and TVs, but now it's being applied to audio. Essentially though, it has the same meaning – high definition as in high resolution. Join us as we answer the question – what is HD voice?
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So it looks as if we are truly screwed when it comes to elgible carriers in the near future for are antiquated u11. I have already been forced to leave cricket for simply removing my sim and reinstalling,, Maybe someone can further explain why this is hd voice thing is a issue with the u11, did htc simply forget to add the codec???

hammered58 said:
Matt from everything I have read,, yes att and cricket both the same company will shut down their 3g network and go with only phones capable of "hd voice" and our htc u11 from what i can gather does not have this quality/software/ chipset or what ever it is,, built in..
More here
What is HD voice? And why is phone call quality usually so bad?
We're used to seeing the HD moniker on videos and TVs, but now it's being applied to audio. Essentially though, it has the same meaning – high definition as in high resolution. Join us as we answer the question – what is HD voice?
www.androidauthority.com
So it looks as if we are truly screwed when it comes to elgible carriers in the near future for are antiquated u11. I have already been forced to leave cricket for simply removing my sim and reinstalling,, Maybe someone can further explain why this is hd voice thing is a issue with the u11, did htc simply forget to add the codec???
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I get that they are dropping 3G, but voLTE should still work right? When I make a call it says 4G instead of LTE, but I can't find a definitive answer on the difference between the two. Does it look like Straight Talk is going to follow suit, or do you think that our devices will be compatible with them indefinitely? I'm glad you answered because I wanted to discuss it with you, but I didn't want to do it on the LOS thread. Thanks!

I can only confirm that my HTC U11 with LOS 18.1 can make calls with HD voice technology (this should also support device with which you have a voice connection and your mobile operators) and also my device works with VoLTE technology.
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If you are in doubt, then you can extract Sim from your device before flashing (but only remove it when device is turned off).

First you need check volte and wifi calling with stock RUU.
How to enable VoLTE (and WIFI calling) on HTC U11 unbranded phone - stock rom
I have HTC U11 CID 034, stock rom and my carrier support VoLTE and WIFI calling. Because I have unbranded phone I cannot turn on this functions. Today I found out how to enable this and it works. Everything is easy and it took less than 5 minutes...
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Golv said:
First you need check volte and wifi calling with stock RUU.
How to enable VoLTE (and WIFI calling) on HTC U11 unbranded phone - stock rom
I have HTC U11 CID 034, stock rom and my carrier support VoLTE and WIFI calling. Because I have unbranded phone I cannot turn on this functions. Today I found out how to enable this and it works. Everything is easy and it took less than 5 minutes...
forum.xda-developers.com
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Thank you for the replies. I'll see what I can do to try to keep the phone working. Thanks again for all the advice.

It's my pleasure! We must keep our devices safe ourselves!

MattP410 said:
I get that they are dropping 3G, but voLTE should still work right? When I make a call it says 4G instead of LTE, but I can't find a definitive answer on the difference between the two. Does it look like Straight Talk is going to follow suit, or do you think that our devices will be compatible with them indefinitely? I'm glad you answered because I wanted to discuss it with you, but I didn't want to do it on the LOS thread. Thanks!
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I dont think it matters what is done to the phone to make volte work or if volte works or if hd lte works,, once the phones imei is flagged for removal from a carrier there is no much that can be done ,,, as far as I know,,,,,, I can go to Cricket and input my imei and it says not supported.

hammered58 said:
I dont think it matters what is done to the phone to make volte work or if volte works or if hd lte works,, once the phones imei is flagged for removal from a carrier there is no much that can be done ,,, as far as I know,,,,,, I can go to Cricket and input my imei and it says not supported.
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Yeah, I think you're right. It just won't be carrier supported. I had to activate my SIM in the One M9 and then put it back into the U11 just to get service. The AT&T system didn't recognize the U Ultra or the U11. Now it's just a game of wait and see if the service gets cut off a year from now. Probably be joining you on Straight Talk.

MattP410 said:
Yeah, I think you're right. It just won't be carrier supported. I had to activate my SIM in the One M9 and then put it back into the U11 just to get service. The AT&T system didn't recognize the U Ultra or the U11. Now it's just a game of wait and see if the service gets cut off a year from now. Probably be joining you on Straight Talk.
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And joining staight talk is a crap shoot as well because the sim package you get for activation is a choice of 3 sims, either att compatable, tmobile compatible or verizon compatable,, my choice was the att compatible sim,, so i guess its a waiting game !!

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And joining staight talk is a crap shoot as well because the sim package you get for activation is a choice of 3 sims, either att compatable, tmobile compatible or verizon compatable,, my choice was the att compatible sim,, so i guess its a waiting game !!
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Yeah, I called Straight Talk today and asked them if any phone incompatibilities would happen in the foreseeable future. The dude was on autopilot though. Just kept saying to get a bring your own phone kit and the phone would work. Not sure if he ever truly understood what I was saying. Is your device a dual-SIM?

MattP410 said:
Yeah, I called Straight Talk today and asked them if any phone incompatibilities would happen in the foreseeable future. The dude was on autopilot though. Just kept saying to get a bring your own phone kit and the phone would work. Not sure if he ever truly understood what I was saying. Is your device a dual-SIM?
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single sim,, and just a side note , after getting kicked off of cricket I went to t-mobile and ask them the same question , and the guys responce was that they had no plans of getting rid of the 3 g or limiting lte connections. So I went with them but the cell signal was so bad in my area I had to switch to something else , my last hope was straight talk or buy a new phone, uggg ,, I have 2 u11's ,, thought they would last more than 4 years,, they might but the window is closing! lol

hammered58 said:
single sim,, and just a side note , after getting kicked off of cricket I went to t-mobile and ask them the same question , and the guys responce was that they had no plans of getting rid of the 3 g or limiting lte connections. So I went with them but the cell signal was so bad in my area I had to switch to something else , my last hope was straight talk or buy a new phone, uggg ,, I have 2 u11's ,, thought they would last more than 4 years,, they might but the window is closing! lol
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Yeah, T-Mobile coverage is terrible in my area too. I just got my U11. Flashed it with LOS. Got it in stable condition. Been wanting to replace my U Ultra for a long time with it. Can't really afford a brand new flagship, plus I'm just stuck on HTC. I love their devices. Then I get this news. Literally made me sick to my stomach. I just hope and pray that if AT&T does kick me off their network, that Straight Talk will be my loophole. Hope it keeps working for you too, man.

hammered58 said:
Matt from everything I have read,, yes att and cricket both the same company will shut down their 3g network and go with only phones capable of "hd voice" and our htc u11 from what i can gather does not have this quality/software/ chipset or what ever it is,, built in..
More here
What is HD voice? And why is phone call quality usually so bad?
We're used to seeing the HD moniker on videos and TVs, but now it's being applied to audio. Essentially though, it has the same meaning – high definition as in high resolution. Join us as we answer the question – what is HD voice?
www.androidauthority.com
So it looks as if we are truly screwed when it comes to elgible carriers in the near future for are antiquated u11. I have already been forced to leave cricket for simply removing my sim and reinstalling,, Maybe someone can further explain why this is hd voice thing is a issue with the u11, did htc simply forget to add the codec???
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The phone companies and phone service providers are in bed together. Radio wave technology is the same as ever just fancier. All the fuc^ng 5 gigahertz radio signal output did was enable the cell phone providers to be able to completely shut down half their towers. The higher the gigahertz output the further the signal will carry see? Radio waves bounce up and down, these higher gigahertz are for DISTANCE not penetration. Mobile homes with the metal rooves and siding? Screwed. Brick house with treess in the yard? screwed. Because the radio waves at that high of a gigahertz doesn't penetrate worth a damn! They ALL screwed the customers, now forcing us to once again upgrade when this phone is perfectly capable to continue. Sorry. They all are. Hard to notice you completely loose service indoors when there is wi-fi internet automatically hooking up and taking over your data flow. You'd need a Yagi antennae and a broadcaster to put in the house to bounce the 5G signal around in your home, just like cable wi-fi. Get it? My HTC U11 works perfectly FINE with the internet providers 5G signal output and the 2.4 G output. So why will these phones not work with the carrier 5G? Think about it. I upgraded my 8 year old computer to be compatible with 5G simply by changing out the antenna that snaps in the motherboard. These cell phone companies and providers are screwing us to force us to keep purchasing more and more equipment, and the cable providers are helping them by disguising the loss of service with their wi-fi routers. Damn greedy bass turds.

mrharmon1974 said:
these higher gigahertz are for DISTANCE not penetration. Mobile homes with the metal rooves and siding? Screwed. Brick house with treess in the yard? screwed. Because the radio waves at that high of a gigahertz doesn't penetrate worth a damn! They ALL screwed the customers, now forcing us to once again upgrade when this phone is perfectly capable to continue. Sorry.
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You are dead nutz on , ever since they switched to 5 g my cell service is crapola,, as I live in a area with trees and hills, never had the issue before,, I was forced to sell my u11's at rock bottom prices, now even with a newer pixel I still have to rely on WiFi calling to hold a decent conversation. I could buy a 1500.00 flag ship and the results would be the same.

A yagi antennae pointed at the closest tower with an internal receiver set to 5g should have the 5g signal all in the house like a cable wi fi router. They are not difficult to set up. A person not very electronically inclined could set up the broadcaster. The antennae is not that big and easy to mount. Use the cat 5 cable to connect outdoor antennae to indoor broadcaster. The diagram for which wire color goes where should be shown. Before buying make sure all is 5g capable. Just Google search they are on sale on the internet probably not very high they used to not be but the world is different now lol

mrharmon1974 said:
A yagi antennae pointed at the closest tower with an internal receiver set to 5g should have the 5g signal all in the house like a cable wi fi router. They are not difficult to set up. A person not very electronically inclined could set up the broadcaster. The antennae is not that big and easy to mount. Use the cat 5 cable to connect outdoor antennae to indoor broadcaster. The diagram for which wire color goes where should be shown. Before buying make sure all is 5g capable. Just Google search they are on sale on the internet probably not very high they used to not be but the world is different now lol
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Thanks ,, I will check it out

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Droid 2 Global with 3G on Rogers

Here it is. Get a unlock code and it works on Rogers network, with 3G.
Just remember to set APN first.
So it is confirmed that Verizon is not messing up the 850/1900 bands outside US.
Canadian Droid lovers, you are safe.
Btw, this phone seems to have some serious reception issues. It only shows one signal bar in my house, while other phones would get full. Hope moto could fix this via a software update.
byebyebryan said:
Here it is. Get a unlock code and it works on Rogers network, with 3G.
Just remember to set APN first.
So it is confirmed that Verizon is not messing up the 850/1900 bands outside US.
Canadian Droid lovers, you are safe.
Btw, this phone seems to have some serious reception issues. It only shows one signal bar in my house, while other phones would get full. Hope moto could fix this via a software update.
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Thanks for confirming this for us. We hear in the US are still having those problems with AT&T and T-Mobile. Hopefully we will find a workaround soon.
Thanks so much. Thats what I've been searching for. BTW, where did you get the phone? Can you just go to Verizon store and buy it outright without signing any contract, not even the month by month plan?
Got the phone from a friend in the US. What he did was activate a month to month plan, and cancel it right away.
where did you get your unlock code? can you recommend a site?
onlystreet said:
where did you get your unlock code? can you recommend a site?
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Got it on ebay. Just search for "Dorid 2 Global Unlock" and there you go.
I am following yous steps! I already asked a friend of mine to get me one. Thanks for confirming it is good on Rogers. Ebay seller is a bit greedy though - 50 bucks - ouch!
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Byebyebryan, how is the battery life on Rogers (I assume you switched it to GSM/WCDMA only)? People report some horrible results like 7 hours with no use.. can't be that bad...
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leobg said:
Byebyebryan, how is the battery life on Rogers (I assume you switched it to GSM/WCDMA only)? People report some horrible results like 7 hours with no use.. can't be that bad...
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I'm gonna say, 1 day with some use(calls, msgs, emails, and minutes on google map). So not great, but not that bad.
leobg said:
I am following yous steps! I already asked a friend of mine to get me one. Thanks for confirming it is good on Rogers. Ebay seller is a bit greedy though - 50 bucks - ouch!
Sent from my Milestone using Tapatalk
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Why would you have to pay for an Unlock Code? Can't you just "ROOT" the phone free?
Max
maxshiff said:
Why would you have to pay for an Unlock Code? Can't you just "ROOT" the phone free?
Max
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The unlock code is so you can use non-Verizon (Vodafone) SIMs. Rooting is being able to have full read / write access to the entire phone. Rooting alone will not unlock the radio to use 3rd party SIMs.
Droid 2 Global Recepton problems?
byebyebryan said:
...Btw, this phone seems to have some serious reception issues. It only shows one signal bar in my house, while other phones would get full. Hope moto could fix this via a software update.
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Has anyone else noticed reception issues with this phone? I was waiting and waiting and waiting for the Milestone 2 originally and then this one came out and I want it sooooo bad. I need to upgrade from this HTC Magic but I don't want to buy a phone with hardware flaws.
I tried Googling it but all I'm finding is reception problems on the Droid 2 and the Droid X. Not a lot on the D2G but it seems like the entire Droid line has people reporting reception problems.
Is it just the number of bars showing thats a problem or do you also get frequent dropped calls?
I heard from a friend that Android 2.2 includes a new Battery Manager that reduces power to the radio when you're not making or receiving a call and that's probably why the number of bars showing is low when the phone is idle and there probably isn't really a reception problem unless calls are being dropped. Can anyone confirm this?
It's a long drive from where I am in Canada to the nearest Verizon store so I was going to make purchasing it part of a road trip to visit friends in Seattle in a couple weeks if I can get confirmation that the reception problem is not hardware related.
Any confirmations or advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Reception hasn't really been an issue for me. Seems acceptable. Battery life marginal though but I had the same issue with an HTC Desire
JohnnyAndroid said:
Has anyone else noticed reception issues with this phone? I was waiting and waiting and waiting for the Milestone 2 originally and then this one came out and I want it sooooo bad. I need to upgrade from this HTC Magic but I don't want to buy a phone with hardware flaws.
I tried Googling it but all I'm finding is reception problems on the Droid 2 and the Droid X. Not a lot on the D2G but it seems like the entire Droid line has people reporting reception problems.
Is it just the number of bars showing thats a problem or do you also get frequent dropped calls?
I heard from a friend that Android 2.2 includes a new Battery Manager that reduces power to the radio when you're not making or receiving a call and that's probably why the number of bars showing is low when the phone is idle and there probably isn't really a reception problem unless calls are being dropped. Can anyone confirm this?
It's a long drive from where I am in Canada to the nearest Verizon store so I was going to make purchasing it part of a road trip to visit friends in Seattle in a couple weeks if I can get confirmation that the reception problem is not hardware related.
Any confirmations or advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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The funny thing is, even though the phone is showing only one signal bar, I still have great call quality and 3g speed. Wired.
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Thanks guys. That was the news I was hoping to hear.
I was having problems with the 3G in France. I never got more than one bar and that was in middle of Paris
Buy it on prepaid. Its $394 plus $104 of other stuff, total 537.
byebyebryan said:
Here it is. Get a unlock code and it works on Rogers network, with 3G.
Just remember to set APN first.
So it is confirmed that Verizon is not messing up the 850/1900 bands outside US.
Canadian Droid lovers, you are safe.
Btw, this phone seems to have some serious reception issues. It only shows one signal bar in my house, while other phones would get full. Hope moto could fix this via a software update.
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I just got the Droid 2 Global and have it unlocked on the Rogers network. I can't get the 3g to work. What APN settings are you using or how did you get it to work? I have input the apn settings that are being posted around the web but can't get 3g to work. Edge works however. Thanks for your help.
sk03 said:
I just got the Droid 2 Global and have it unlocked on the Rogers network. I can't get the 3g to work. What APN settings are you using or how did you get it to work? I have input the apn settings that are being posted around the web but can't get 3g to work. Edge works however. Thanks for your help.
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APN settings are same for 3G and EDGE. Are you sure you are not forcing EDGE somewhere in settings? Or maybe battery manager?
I figured out the problem. I had the phone in "gsm only" mode. When I switched back to"Global" mode in network settings I instantly got 3g and even "H". Thanks for the help anyway

Data Drop Issue. Losing Data connectivity randomly?

Ok so let me describe the issue before I go into mine.
1. Loading any app but let's say twitter...
2. Hit refresh and you notice it's taking extra long to reload.
3. Arrows next to 4G get stuck in Upstream.
4. 4G Icon disappears and NEVER comes back.
5. You're left with nothing but cell bars.
Sometimes you can be doing nothing at all and this happens. If you go into "Mobile Data" under quick settings or regular settings it states "Turning On" but it never does. Mobile Data Button will NOT respond at all.
However if you enter the settings and manually switch to 2G it (data symbol) goes blank then makes an "X" then loads back up and stays with no issue.
Now this is not a service issue because if it was the Unit by default would goto 2G. But it does not. I can reproduce this issue after a Master Reset and soft reset.
I have replicated our APN setting correctly and input them in the correct manners in a single column and this does nothing.
I assume the device is having an issue with the hand off if 4G becomes unavailable and doesn't auto switch to 2G even if the setting requires it to. But I could be wrong as I am just guessing.
How many of you are experiencing this same random issue and how/when does it happen?
How many times daily?
I'm trying to gather info to goto my resources to have this looked at if it's not just me.
EDIT: I tried this---> *#*#4636#*#* and then press “Phone Information” > Toggle Ciphering to OFF > Turn off Radio > Turn on Radio > Toggle Ciphoring to ON.
Will update results after running it all today..Try it..Should work at first..I want to see is this is final fix or a bandage fix.
I have noticed that exact behavior a few times as well.. In my case, the only way to restore data was to reboot the handset.
Updated OP
Just got off the phone with TMO Support
I am experiencing the same issue, just started this morning, the fella at TMO suggested, and he said he checked it, that my sim is an older 2G sim, and that this issue has been popping up a bit in the last few months, he suggested, and I assume that he really didnt know what to do, that I go into a TMO store and have my SIM swapped out, he said, that the older 2G sim's cant handle the newer 3G speeds and kinda self destruct.
I've got a TMO store accross the St from here and as soon as they open I will go get a new SIM to try it..
I will post more after.
BTW: setting the phone to use GSM only will get edge working..
EDIT: Called TMO Back, the next guy walked me through a bunch of troubleshooting steps, and none of it helped, while he was typing up his trouble ticket, the 4G indicator came on and the phone is working properly now.. trouble ticket still went in.. My guess, network problems on T-Mobile.
I'm having this issue too... Sometimes I have 3 bars and no data connection at all. How do T-Mobile 3G cards differ from the 2G cards? Mine has no info on it, just numbers. Now, AT&T's 3G cards are clearly marked (I'm testing TMob service, planning to jump from AT&T).
yellowdragon said:
I'm having this issue too... Sometimes I have 3 bars and no data connection at all. How do T-Mobile 3G cards differ from the 2G cards? Mine has no info on it, just numbers. Now, AT&T's 3G cards are clearly marked (I'm testing TMob service, planning to jump from AT&T).
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I am not sure how T-Mobiles cards are identified, But I dont think its a problem with the SIM, most likely I had a newer support person on the phone who had no idea what he was talking about.
Seems to be working ok now with my "2G" sim in.
getting about 4Mb/sec down and almost 2 up.
Since switching from my N1 I have since....
1.Replaced the sim that came in the box
2.Had my data plan recoded to read android, to play nice with the towers
I think there was a third thing but I don't remember lol...but anyways I had this happen once where data stalled. The arrows weren't blinking and I had the 4g icon with full bars. I had to turn the radio off and on to reboot the radio. I am guessing it's a tmo issue as well because it hasn't happened since.
Had this issue from day 1. Have done every supposed fix offered. Nothing. TMo says its part of HTC's known issues with the device and it's a supposed to be addressed when they send out our update.
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kpjimmy said:
Since switching from my N1 I have since....
1.Replaced the sim that came in the box
2.Had my data plan recoded to read android, to play nice with the towers
I think there was a third thing but I don't remember lol...but anyways I had this happen once where data stalled. The arrows weren't blinking and I had the 4g icon with full bars. I had to turn the radio off and on to reboot the radio. I am guessing it's a tmo issue as well because it hasn't happened since.
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Nah bro...I actually work for T-Mo..lol
My SOC is cool...My manager changed it correctly when we activated. I had a MT4G before this and the SOC is the same.
SIM is the same that came with Mytouch 4G..again same newly shaped smaller gold conductive SIM that comes with the Sensation.
This isn't on our end at all...I think your issue was similar but not the same.
Ours is definitely software related....As the post before me stated, HTC says that the update should catch this issue as they are aware of it.
Crossing fingers.
We've had many posts about these issues already. We can SAFELY say that it has nothing to do with the SIM or the type of data plan you have. I and others have confirmed this. I am still using the old 2g SIM with no numbers on the old $20 Android plan. I've had incredible 4g coverage with no data issues. My speeds are usually 6-7 Mbps average and maxing out at around 10 Mbps.
digiholic said:
We've had many posts about these issues already. We can SAFELY say that it has nothing to do with the SIM or the type of data plan you have. I and others have confirmed this. I am still using the old 2g SIM with no numbers on the old $20 Android plan. I've had incredible 4g coverage with no data issues. My speeds are usually 6-7 Mbps average and maxing out at around 10 Mbps.
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I noticed that but I wasn't quite sure if they were honestly the EXACT same issue..So I was kinda hoping to simplify and explain it a tad bit more and go from there.
I had these issues 2. Cycling ciphering and mobile data off and on seems to have fixed issue for me. Will have to wait and see if an ota gets released.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Well it's back doing it...It's definitely NOT handing off correctly. So that method is not a perm fix.
Just got off the live chat..this is what happened. Clearly I omitted my last name..But here is the copy and paste. YES I copied what I wrote in the OP because it was perfectly phrased..plus i didn't feel like re explaining it.
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Here is the end of the chat below::::
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Andre: thank you sir. i really appreciate you. i will go tomorrow morning.
Andre: i appreciate you dearly.
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So I am assuming they are out of Sensations. So there goes warranty exchanges guys.
Update:: So I went in the store today...I actually had to show my badge since they were so rude before. The other manager must have been off today. They exchanged no problem.
The new batch devices however all don't have the "curved glass" frame anymore. Seems responsive. My screen has a super minor curve around the edges. I assure it's NOTHING like the 1st one I had. I pray this one works because my 14 days is up Friday. Customer Care has no more Sensations to give out anymore so if you're calling in do NOT expect a Sensation and there is NOTHING comparable to it. So they won't do the exchange.
New SIM fixed my data issues, 4G all the time. - My data went from 4G sometimes at about 1.4mb to 4G all the time usually around 6-7mb
Your issue was different than this issue then. This issue is a software issue.
I have experienced the same issue as the OP in this thread.
I purchased the Sensation the day it was released and it functioned well for the first 3 days using the new SIM card but with my previous Even More Plus plan that I inherited through my Nexus One.
Later that week my phone was unable to access the internet using T-Mobile's network.
I tried fixing the phone by removing the battery for a couple of minutes
Cycling the Cipher lock several times
Manually Registering to T-Mobiles network
and more...
Phone calls and SMS worked but I was unable to receive any data. I then called T-Mobile asking if they had experienced any Data outages in my area and the representative said No. Then asked if I recently purchased the Sensation. She claimed that my issue was caused by a conflict in the Data plan that I had and I was forced to get the new 4G Data plan. (Just a marketing scam as my phone worked fine for 3 days and the same SIM works fine on my Nexus One)
Prior to making the phone call I noticed that my phone did not have an assigned IP address. Even after I manually registered the phone to T-Mobile's network.
A week later while at a concert I noticed that my phone experienced the same behaviour for no strange reason. Even when using the new "Data Plan" that T-Mobile recommended. The worst thing about it is that it drains your battery as it attempts to scan and register itself with T-Mobile.
Elvis_Freshly said:
Update:: So I went in the store today...I actually had to show my badge since they were so rude before. The other manager must have been off today. They exchanged no problem.
The new batch devices however all don't have the "curved glass" frame anymore. Seems responsive. My screen has a super minor curve around the edges. I assure it's NOTHING like the 1st one I had. I pray this one works because my 14 days is up Friday. Customer Care has no more Sensations to give out anymore so if you're calling in do NOT expect a Sensation and there is NOTHING comparable to it. So they won't do the exchange.
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Can you take a picture of this new Sensation. It would be a shame if we get ripped off weeks after the phone was released if they release a revised version of this phone.
I'm having a similar problem and will be stopping by a tmo store later this afternoon. My phone drops to 0 bars, stays like that for about 10 seconds, loses signal with an x on the bars, then 20 seconds later I get signal back. All the while I have 4G but cannot send/recieve data. This also happens every 5 mins or so. Reboot does no help, neither does a battery pull or toggling cypher/radio. I'm really starting to get annoyed and am lucky that I have an available WiFi network while at work. This is the second Sensation that ill be returning. The first wouldn't get ANY signal at all.
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Yet Another Signal Issue

Hey everyone. So long story short, I took advantage of T-Mobile's offer to pay off my VZW contract, and purchased the Nexus 5. Now, from my extensive searches all over the internet, it is pretty apparent that this phone has a lot of signal issues. Mine, however, appears to be a bit different and I haven't really come across it yet. So this is what happens:
I have pretty good signal everywhere with T-Mobile. At home, however, it's not so great (but workable). Occasionally, I go into a spot where I lose signal. The problem is, that signal never comes back. Just today, I lost signal in my elevator. I went into the car, drove to a point where I ALWAYS have full LTE, and look at my phone: No Signal, Emergency calls only. I go into the phone status menu in the device settings, and according to the DBM, I have FULL signal (yet the top right corner indicates a little lack-of-signal triangle). The only way to "reconnect" to the network is to go to mobile network > network operators and to manually select T-Mobile after it searches for networks. Then, it reconnects to the network with full signal. Again, this isn't like the other network issues that people seem to be having, where they suddenly lose signal. My radio is fine. It transitions seamlessly between 3G and LTE. The problem, however, is that sometimes, after going into a low coverage area and losing signal, I can't get it back.
Has anybody ever had this issue? I don't think it's a hardware issue, because the phone is reporting that it is receiving signal in the status menu.
Here is an example:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
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lsmaverick31 said:
Has anybody ever had this issue? I don't think it's a hardware issue, because the phone is reporting that it is receiving signal in the status menu.
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I have tmobile as well and I haven't had this problem yet. It comes out of no signal fine and usually pretty quick. Can you still make calls or does it say "mobile network not available". I would go to a tmobile store when you can and ask them. Don't call, those people don't know anything.
aooga said:
I have tmobile as well and I haven't had this problem yet. It comes out of no signal fine and usually pretty quick. Can you still make calls or does it say "mobile network not available". I would go to a tmobile store when you can and ask them. Don't call, those people don't know anything.
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Nope. I can't make calls or send texts until I manually reconnect to the network.
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lsmaverick31 said:
Nope. I can't make calls or send texts until I manually reconnect to the network.
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Thats really weird. I haven't heard that before either. I know this phone has a bunch of signal problems, but I haven't hear this as one of them. As I said, try going to a tmobile store. They might be able to help by giving you a new sim card or something. If that doesn't work, I would RMA the phone.
When you say "where I normally have a good LTE signal" what are you comparing that to? When you had vzw? Or another time with the same phone on tmo? Maybe tmo isn't good in your area and you're better off with vzw? Just a thought. I had vzw for 11 years and switched to tmo April 2013. Better than vzw in my area. My N5 has no signal issues that I'm aware of
Nexus5
jbdan said:
When you say "where I normally have a good LTE signal" what are you comparing that to? When you had vzw? Or another time with the same phone on tmo? Maybe tmo isn't good in your area and you're better off with vzw? Just a thought. I had vzw for 11 years and switched to tmo April 2013. Better than vzw in my area. My N5 has no signal issues that I'm aware of
Nexus5
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I mean that, in that same exact area, when I manually reconnect to the T-Mobile network, I have full bars of blazing fast LTE. In that same exact spot, prior to manually reconnecting, the phone was telling me that I had no signal just seconds before. I'm referring to only T-Mobile, and only the Nexus 5.
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lsmaverick31 said:
I mean that, in that same exact area, when I manually reconnect to the T-Mobile network, I have full bars of blazing fast LTE. In that same exact spot, prior to manually reconnecting, the phone was telling me that I had no signal just seconds before. I'm referring to only T-Mobile, and only the Nexus 5.
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Try to reflash firmware to %100 stock
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Andrew149 said:
Try to reflash firmware to %100 stock
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This is a good idea. OP: you can do a little troubleshooting and then I'd advise going to a tmo store, explaining your issue, then maybe getting another one.
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lsmaverick31 said:
Hey everyone. So long story short, I took advantage of T-Mobile's offer to pay off my VZW contract, and purchased the Nexus 5. Now, from my extensive searches all over the internet, it is pretty apparent that this phone has a lot of signal issues. Mine, however, appears to be a bit different and I haven't really come across it yet. So this is what happens:
I have pretty good signal everywhere with T-Mobile. At home, however, it's not so great (but workable). Occasionally, I go into a spot where I lose signal. The problem is, that signal never comes back. Just today, I lost signal in my elevator. I went into the car, drove to a point where I ALWAYS have full LTE, and look at my phone: No Signal, Emergency calls only. I go into the phone status menu in the device settings, and according to the DBM, I have FULL signal (yet the top right corner indicates a little lack-of-signal triangle). The only way to "reconnect" to the network is to go to mobile network > network operators and to manually select T-Mobile after it searches for networks. Then, it reconnects to the network with full signal. Again, this isn't like the other network issues that people seem to be having, where they suddenly lose signal. My radio is fine. It transitions seamlessly between 3G and LTE. The problem, however, is that sometimes, after going into a low coverage area and losing signal, I can't get it back.
Has anybody ever had this issue? I don't think it's a hardware issue, because the phone is reporting that it is receiving signal in the status menu.
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Have you tried disabling LTE and just run with 3G? Not permanently, but for testing purposes.
Sounds odd.. when i lose signal completely its in a no coverage area... makes sense right but when i step into coverage
it will lock back onto the network (EDGE) after 20 seconds or so and 10 more seconds should lock into the data (LTE/HSPA)
Demonic240 said:
Have you tried disabling LTE and just run with 3G? Not permanently, but for testing purposes.
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I haven't tried this yet, gonna do it today. I'm just really hoping it's a SIM card issue, I hate replacing phones. But if it has to be done, then so be it.
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Signal Issue
In my tmobile no issue He goning will pretty quick.
I enjoy the 3g...
I have the same issue. The phone just came from my service center which didn't acknowledge the problem. I'm at a loss as to what to do next since they don't want to replace it under warranty (they say that the phone is fine).
bpivk said:
I have the same issue. The phone just came from my service center which didn't acknowledge the problem. I'm at a loss as to what to do next since they don't want to replace it under warranty (they say that the phone is fine).
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The problem is that, as long as you have strong service and don't lose signal, the problem is impossible to replicate. That's probably what your service center saw. I downloaded an app today to help monitor how long it takes to regain signal. If the data adds up, I plan to use it.
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lsmaverick31 said:
The problem is that, as long as you have strong service and don't lose signal, the problem is impossible to replicate. That's probably what your service center saw.
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The problem occurs even when my phone is standing still. I have it on my desk where it has a five bar reception 24/7. I never moved it at that time and it still failed on me. I even tried a different SIM with same results.
I have another question for everyone with the T-Mobile network. When I am at home, I have pretty weak signal. It is usually HSPA or, sometimes, HSPA+. However, when I try to switch to 2G in preferred network types, I cannot get any signal whatsoever. How is it possible that my phone can have 3G but cannot connect to 2G?
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I had the same issue. I have great LTE signal at home. When I get to work it's 3G. The phone transitions from LTE to 3G ok. When I go into the middle of the building I loose the signal completely. When I go back outside the phone never reacquires 3G. I was able to duplicate this several times.
I did a factory reset which didn't work. I called T-Mobile support. They were no help. I went into T-Mobile store and asked if they would swap out the SIM. Bingo.
New SIM card solved my problem.

LTE not working

Hi,
I've the verizon m8 outside the Us. In my country the LTE network has started to work during the past week and its 1800 mhz/ channel 3.
My htc is s-off, root ofcourse, viper rom but I cant get any reception with LTE!
accordint to htc sites, the verison m8 is truely support 1800 mhz,
So how can I get lte on my phone?
And please don't blow my mind with "why did you bought verizon model if you're not using verizon", It doesn't matter now. I've already bought my m8 and it's from verizon, it was cheaper to buy.
Nobody knows?
Europe freinds?
I'm almost in the same boat as you, I'm using Verizon m8, rooted, soff, supercid and then I installed android revolution hd 8.1 international version. I got lte band 4 working ok as well as calls, sms, mms, e.t.c.
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I've also tried to flash the WWE radio on my verizon m8 but after 1-2 minte the device got reboot again and again, so flashing radio didn't help.
Nobody has a solution? Verizon said the the m8 support 1800 mhz - band 3, so there must be a way to enable it.
iii2 said:
I've also tried to flash the WWE radio on my verizon m8 but after 1-2 minte the device got reboot again and again, so flashing radio didn't help.
Nobody has a solution? Verizon said the the m8 support 1800 mhz - band 3, so there must be a way to enable it.
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did u find a solution? im stuck also.
no lte although it supposed to support 1800mhz
Hey,
Just got back from Europe. I wasn't able to get LTE over there, only hsupa/hsdpa. I installed nv rom and was able to change the bands, and got my data working. Now that I'm back in the U.S. (as of 12 horus ago), I'm unable to get service, go figure. I was using the newest verizon radios and they worked fine.
blumpkinblake said:
Hey,
Just got back from Europe. I wasn't able to get LTE over there, only hsupa/hsdpa. I installed nv rom and was able to change the bands, and got my data working. Now that I'm back in the U.S. (as of 12 horus ago), I'm unable to get service, go figure. I was using the newest verizon radios and they worked fine.
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hi
using nv rom u succeded? u had LTE in europe?
how?
1800 not supported.
Hi (shalom
I have went through many specs for our device, and
Found that there is no mention for 1800 band 3
In the verizon M8.
It only appears on HTC site. So it seems the phone doesn't support this
band.
well
mattanh said:
Hi (shalom
I have went through many specs for our device, and
Found that there is no mention for 1800 band 3
In the verizon M8.
It only appears on HTC site. So it seems the phone doesn't support this
band.
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dont think so
i think it does support - but sth blocks it (on purpose)
im also trying at 2600mhz
nothing works
mattanh said:
Hi (shalom
I have went through many specs for our device, and
Found that there is no mention for 1800 band 3
In the verizon M8.
It only appears on HTC site. So it seems the phone doesn't support this
band.
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Shalom Thanks for your help, this is also what I think,but i really want to believe that the offical HTC site post this information about band 3 for a reason and that is not just a mistake, ofr now it seems like it's a verison setting as of my opinion.
blumpkinblake said:
Hey,
Just got back from Europe. I wasn't able to get LTE over there, only hsupa/hsdpa. I installed nv rom and was able to change the bands, and got my data working. Now that I'm back in the U.S. (as of 12 horus ago), I'm unable to get service, go figure. I was using the newest verizon radios and they worked fine.
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So are you suggesting to install nv rom? They really have an option to select the spesific band or are you talking about the option of ecdma only/ gsm auto prl... in the hidden menu?
iii2 said:
Shalom Thanks for your help, this is also what I think,but i really want to believe that the offical HTC site post this information about band 3 for a reason and that is not just a mistake, ofr now it seems like it's a verison setting as of my opinion.
So are you suggesting to install nv rom? They really have an option to select the spesific band or are you talking about the option of ecdma only/ gsm auto prl... in the hidden menu?
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Iv tried nv, it didn't give the option to change for the 1800 band only 1900, or 800. So it didn't work, not that I had much hope.
htc chat
hi
talked with htc chat today and got this reply:
Well, I just found that's some restriction about Verizon (It seems like), because the Phone is made to work on 1800 Hz. Also I'll recommend to you that contact Verizon Tech Support 866-221-4096 for further information –
im not a verizon cutomer.
dont think they will give me support.
is there here someone who is willing to call them?
boazlaz said:
hi
talked with htc chat today and got this reply:
Well, I just found that's some restriction about Verizon (It seems like), because the Phone is made to work on 1800 Hz. Also I'll recommend to you that contact Verizon Tech Support 866-221-4096 for further information –
im not a verizon cutomer.
dont think they will give me support.
is there here someone who is willing to call them?
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I'm also not a customer of them but I've already spoke to them once (with different problem) and they were very nice. I don't have problem to call them (although it will take me some days to set up my google voice account again) but what should i say to them? They will probably sai that they don't know what I'm talking about, or that he verizon m8 is perfect and send down from god and the problem is my carrier
---Edit---
I'm talking with verizon right now, they've transferd me from verizon to htc and than back to verizon, that really don't know what i'm talking about. anyone have any suggestion how to talk with them? they can only blame my carrier
called verizon also
iii2 said:
I'm also not a customer of them but I've already spoke to them once (with different problem) and they were very nice. I don't have problem to call them (although it will take me some days to set up my google voice account again) but what should i say to them? They will probably sai that they don't know what I'm talking about, or that he verizon m8 is perfect and send down from god and the problem is my carrier
---Edit---
I'm talking with verizon right now, they've transferd me from verizon to htc and than back to verizon, that really don't know what i'm talking about. anyone have any suggestion how to talk with them? they can only blame my carrier
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i dont know if i should laugh or cry.
i also called verizon which didnt really understand what i want - they told me to talk with HTC which told me that the verizon modem supports 1800mhz also - its probaly verizon that blocks it.
im dying here - its driving me crazy
cant believe i bought an item and trusted the specs , someone should pay for this trouble we are all going through - unbelieveable!
boazlaz said:
i dont know if i should laugh or cry.
i also called verizon which didnt really understand what i want - they told me to talk with HTC which told me that the verizon modem supports 1800mhz also - its probaly verizon that blocks it.
im dying here - its driving me crazy
cant believe i bought an item and trusted the specs , someone should pay for this trouble we are all going through - unbelieveable!
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The truth has been spoken. It feels like nobody knows what happening in there. If i could make verizon and htc talk to each other it would be the world longest phone call.
The only thing i got from verizon is this, which is not very helpful:
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I have the same problem, is there anyone that tried to flash different radios to see if that band gets "unlocked"?
Waky said:
I have the same problem, is there anyone that tried to flash different radios to see if that band gets "unlocked"?
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Yes, I've also done that. the phone got no signal and reboot itself after 2 minutes. flashing radios doesn't work with cdma phones. I've also tryed install gpe rom (i fought that maybe the sense 6.0 has problem) also didn't work
I guess that we are screwed at the moment, and i have the feeling that is not going to be easy to find a solution...
pity that the hardware is there waiting to be used!
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same problem
I have the same problem
Joins question
did someone try this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269

LTE Band 12, VoLTE, and T-Mobile

I am starting this thread, since there seems to be a lot of confusion around "newer" LTE bands, like Band 12 on T-Mobile, which apparently require a fully functioning and "approved" VoLTE phone to get reception.
There are various threads in device-specific forums, but they are not getting a lot of attention, and this is a significant enough problem that it should be more visible.
T-Mobile at this point has pretty fantastic coverage via the 700MHz Band 12 LTE network.
The only problem is that Band 12 requires the phone to be VoLTE "certified". The rumor was that phones could still connect to this band/LTE-network and send/receive data, but that they would fall back to alternative bands, even 3G or 2G, for phone calls. For a lot of people that would be "good enough" if not ideal.
Based on some recent testing, this is NOT CORRECT:
While phones may "sometimes" connect to Band 12 for data, the much more common scenario is apparently that the phone will disconnect from Band 12 almost immediately, or will refuse to connect to Band 12, and will instead default to an alternative LTE, 4G, 3G, or 2G connection.
In other words: even if you have perfect LTE Band 12 coverage (5/5 bars, or 100%), your "Band 12 capable" phone may instead try to connect to a really ****ty GPRS or EDGE tower that has barely any reception for the phone.
I recently encountered this with my Xperia X Compact while travelling: My phone would barely be able to connect to a T-Mobile tower with a GPRS data connection, while my wife's Moto G4 would get 5/5 or 100% LTE reception. Swapping SIM cards had the same result, so we know the problem rests with the phone.
Searching for "Available Mobile Networks" on my "band 12 capable" phone would show various T-Mobile 4G networks, but the phone would be unable to connect to them.
Talking to other Xperia X Compact owners, they have the same problem: the phone will sporadically connect to Band 12, but it is not a reliable connection (if the phone even connects) and it will (more likely) prefer other networks/bands/frequencies.
Based on the phone having the proper frequencies, I would assume that T-Mobile has some mechanism on some (or the majority of) towers where they disconnect non-VoLTE certified devices.
Anecdotally, I also had a similar issue with my previous phone - a Nexus 5x. The phone is even VoLTE certified, but when using Cyanogenmod/LineageOS, it would have really terrible reception, despite the location having almost perfect Band 12 coverage - LineageOS/CM does not (or had no) VoLTE support.
I have also tried "hacking" the X Compact to enable VoLTE support by adding the relevant lines to the build.prop and enabling the option under Settings and (*#*#4636#*#*) but this does not appear to make any difference.
A list of T-Mobile "VoLTE certified" phones can be found here:
http://www.spectrumgateway.com/compatible-phones
Would be great if anyone has any suggestions how to resolve this, or force the phone to prioritize Band 12, but it would otherwise appear that the only solution is to get the phone certified by T-Mobile (so much for net neutrality and open access).
I'm using an Xperia X Compact and my home market only has band 12 lte and I can't connect to it. Which means I'm always in 3g or roaming and rarely have data in buildings. It's maddening because I will only buy Sony. I think they are the only manufacturer making attractive handsets and the build quality is light years beyond well marketed, poorly constructed brands like Samsung and LG. But regardless of anyone's choice of manufacturer, a device with a functioning 700 mhz lte radio should function just fine on the corresponding network regardless of where it was purchased.
Would certifying this device and enabling VOLTE be particularly costly to Sony? Correct me if I'm wrong but based on internal components this device should be capable of this ja?
I think it wouldn't hurt to send petitions to both the manufacturer and T-mobile USA. This certainly doesn't help Sony in a market they are seriously struggling in. It also isn't very uncarrier to favor certain devices over others.
The only reason I switched from Verizon was the ability to choose my device. That and the things John Legere was doing to change the industry. I believed in what he was saying. But right now it isn't working for me and likely many others. He should know. I can say firsthand that the guy answers his emails. I think we need to show both parties that this is worth their attention.
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I should mention that after multiple calls to T-mobile tech support I received a cryptic call very late at night from someone high up in tech support.
Long story short he at least admitted that even though it wasn't a t mobile device and even though it didn't support VoLTE, it should still connect to band 12 just fine. He also said that they were having problems with this sort of thing in my area and that it should be resolved in a month. He also said my IMEI was logged and I would be given priority in the matter. Whatever that means.
I should also mention that was a month ago and he didn't have an email to give me. He did however give me a phone number (probably just the department) that I need to dig up.
Could just be a bunch of fluff because they are afraid to lose customers. Then again he was from tech support not customer retention. And as I said t mobile does listen to its customers.
POMF2K said:
I'm using an Xperia X Compact and my home market only has band 12 lte and I can't connect to it. Which means I'm always in 3g or roaming and rarely have data in buildings. It's maddening because I will only buy Sony. I think they are the only manufacturer making attractive handsets and the build quality is light years beyond well marketed, poorly constructed brands like Samsung and LG. But regardless of anyone's choice of manufacturer, a device with a functioning 700 mhz lte radio should function just fine on the corresponding network regardless of where it was purchased.
Would certifying this device and enabling VOLTE be particularly costly to Sony? Correct me if I'm wrong but based on internal components this device should be capable of this ja?
I think it wouldn't hurt to send petitions to both the manufacturer and T-mobile USA. This certainly doesn't help Sony in a market they are seriously struggling in. It also isn't very uncarrier to favor certain devices over others.
The only reason I switched from Verizon was the ability to choose my device. That and the things John Legere was doing to change the industry. I believed in what he was saying. But right now it isn't working for me and likely many others. He should know. I can say firsthand that the guy answers his emails. I think we need to show both parties that this is worth their attention.
---------- Post added at 01:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:14 AM ----------
I should mention that after multiple calls to T-mobile tech support I received a cryptic call very late at night from someone high up in tech support.
Long story short he at least admitted that even though it wasn't a t mobile device and even though it didn't support VoLTE, it should still connect to band 12 just fine. He also said that they were having problems with this sort of thing in my area and that it should be resolved in a month. He also said my IMEI was logged and I would be given priority in the matter. Whatever that means.
I should also mention that was a month ago and he didn't have an email to give me. He did however give me a phone number (probably just the department) that I need to dig up.
Could just be a bunch of fluff because they are afraid to lose customers. Then again he was from tech support not customer retention. And as I said t mobile does listen to its customers.
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Since I did encounter this also on my Nexus 5x with LineageOS, I doubt that what T-Mobile told you is true. They must be actively blocking these non-certified handsets, since the phone should just attempt connecting.
So who do we need to appeal to? T mobile or Sony.?
POMF2K said:
So who do we need to appeal to? T mobile or Sony.?
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Both. Maybe also complain to the FCC - I thought that carriers needed to provide open access to their network. Verizon got into hot water for not doing so ...
Does your compact ever connect to lte for a few seconds after a reboot?
I might try to force LTE and restart and see if that has any effect.
I just flashed the UK. T mobile networks work just fine. Well except lte/4g but that was expected.
POMF2K said:
Does your compact ever connect to lte for a few seconds after a reboot?
I might try to force LTE and restart and see if that has any effect.
I just flashed the UK. T mobile networks work just fine. Well except lte/4g but that was expected.
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It does connect sometimes but it then usually kicks down to Band 4 or a GSM band (HSDPA, UMTS, EDGE, or even GPRS).
I cannot find any info how to prioritize LTE bands, so I assume this is T-Mobile's band 12 cell tower's kicking the phone off when they notice that it is not VoLTE approved.
Interesting discussion on Howard forums....
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...rtphones-with-band-12-LTE-w-o-VoLTE-now/page2
POMF2K said:
Interesting discussion on Howard forums....
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...rtphones-with-band-12-LTE-w-o-VoLTE-now/page2
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Interesting discussion though nothing new.
Yes, we know that Band 12 phones should be able to get a data connection, yet T-Mobile apparently actively disconnects them (or bars them from connecting), especially in areas where Band 12 would give you great coverage but there is no other coverage.
F Sony and F T-Mobile for this!
BTW: here is an article about the follow up model: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/sony-xperia-xz1-compact/
Please leave comments about Sony not getting their phones approved for VoLTE with T-Mobile and the phone therefore NOT REALLY WORKING with the carrier.
It would seem to me that the only solution to this problem would be either T-Mobile accepting a standard spec for VoLTE, they open source their code for VoLTE, or someone figures out how to implement VoLTE and trick T-Mobile to think it is an approved "whitelisted" phone.
Given that the T-Mobile network is getting worse and worse every day without Band 12 coverage, I find it really surprising that most people just don't seem to care. Does nobody use their phone outside of WiFi?
andTab said:
It would seem to me that the only solution to this problem would be either T-Mobile accepting a standard spec for VoLTE, they open source their code for VoLTE, or someone figures out how to implement VoLTE and trick T-Mobile to think it is an approved "whitelisted" phone.
Given that the T-Mobile network is getting worse and worse every day without Band 12 coverage, I find it really surprising that most people just don't seem to care. Does nobody use their phone outside of WiFi?
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There is a standard spec, the problem is the certification. It requires a certificate from T-mobile to be used by the phone, which is gained through certification. And if SONY is detecting T-mobile at the modem level then there isn't anything a ROM can do with or without a ROM. I had a Z5, but this drove me crazy so I switched to a Pixel.
I wouldn't expect this to change based on SONY de-prioritizing the US phone market, so either upgrade to a new supported sony phone or move on (shrug)
sovanyio said:
There is a standard spec, the problem is the certification. It requires a certificate from T-mobile to be used by the phone, which is gained through certification. And if SONY is detecting T-mobile at the modem level then there isn't anything a ROM can do with or without a ROM. I had a Z5, but this drove me crazy so I switched to a Pixel.
I wouldn't expect this to change based on SONY de-prioritizing the US phone market, so either upgrade to a new supported sony phone or move on (shrug)
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That can't be true.
I accept that T-Mobile may issue a certificate but that must be processed on the rom/OS/phone.apk level. Otherwise, every custom ROM on any certified phone would work. We all know that is not the case.
If it's the rom/OS/phone.apk though, why can't we hack a phone to work with TMUS / VoLTE?
I have an x compact and while it is the best device I have ever owned it is essentially unusable on T-Mobile or att.
andTab said:
That can't be true.
I accept that T-Mobile may issue a certificate but that must be processed on the rom/OS/phone.apk level. Otherwise, every custom ROM on any certified phone would work. We all know that is not the case.
If it's the rom/OS/phone.apk though, why can't we hack a phone to work with TMUS / VoLTE?
I have an x compact and while it is the best device I have ever owned it is essentially unusable on T-Mobile or att.
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Because the SONY modem firmware doesn't even attempt to negotiate VoLTE, which does *not* happen in user space. It is likely possible to hack the qualcomm modem with QPST to enable this, but without documentation and correct values one will not get very far.
sovanyio said:
Because the SONY modem firmware doesn't even attempt to negotiate VoLTE, which does *not* happen in user space. It is likely possible to hack the qualcomm modem with QPST to enable this, but without documentation and correct values one will not get very far.
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If it was the modem, then flashing a new system (eg custom ROM) should not make any difference.
I also have a Nexus 5x. With stock it is fantastic and uses VoLTE on T-Mobile. With LineageOS, it is useless on Band 12. SAME MODEM!
Experience therefore shows that it is the OS/System that somehow prevents this from working.
andTab said:
If it was the modem, then flashing a new system (eg custom ROM) should not make any difference.
I also have a Nexus 5x. With stock it is fantastic and uses VoLTE on T-Mobile. With LineageOS, it is useless on Band 12. SAME MODEM!
Experience therefore shows that it is the OS/System that somehow prevents this from working.
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The Nexus 5x is a different phone made by a different manufacturer with a different firmware scheme. You cannot compare them directly.
I noticed that the XZ1 Compact says right on the website compatible with t mobile band 12 and wifi calling... this is infuriating. It should be easy for them to patch the Xperia x compact.
I would have never purchased this if I had known. Especially since they apparently flashed an update to my old t mobile z3 that allows voice over lte and band 12.
Sony X Compact
sovanyio said:
There is a standard spec, the problem is the certification. It requires a certificate from T-mobile to be used by the phone, which is gained through certification. And if SONY is detecting T-mobile at the modem level then there isn't anything a ROM can do with or without a ROM. I had a Z5, but this drove me crazy so I switched to a Pixel.
I wouldn't expect this to change based on SONY de-prioritizing the US phone market, so either upgrade to a new supported sony phone or move on (shrug)
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It has to be on Sony, use the t-mobile BYOD app to check, I have a Huawei mate 9 that I just purchased, connects perfectly on band 12, VoLTE works just like it's supposed to. On a side note I went through three Sony phones before I bought this Huawei, had to return all three due to quality control issues, one had worst touches that made the phone unusable, one wouldn't pick up the SIM card, and the third wouldn't power on at all, thank good Amazon refunded my money on all three. They may have the Sony name on the phone, but they are still build by the lowest bidder in China and makes with Sony's name.
revjamescarver said:
It has to be on Sony, use the t-mobile BYOD app to check, I have a Huawei mate 9 that I just purchased, connects perfectly on band 12, VoLTE works just like it's supposed to. On a side note I went through three Sony phones before I bought this Huawei, had to return all three due to quality control issues, one had worst touches that made the phone unusable, one wouldn't pick up the SIM card, and the third wouldn't power on at all, thank good Amazon refunded my money on all three. They may have the Sony name on the phone, but they are still build by the lowest bidder in China and makes with Sony's name.
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See this: http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...cked-smartphones-and-yep-its-still-confusing/ It is up to an OEM to decide to go through this process per-phone. Since no US carrier carried the phone they didn't not bother spending the money or time to certify it. I loved the SONY design, but since they weren't supporting the market I had to abandon them for other phones.

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