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I've been trying for months to get this setup to run smoothly (I prolly put too much money into it anyway lol), hopefully somebody here can help me out.
I am trying to stream from my home PC Wii Dolphin Emulator, using Splashtop remote as the streamer. When this is done locally its of course smooth,it still has that millisecond delay in between the pc and tablet but you can only notice it if your looking at the pc monitor, so that shouldn't matter.
PC side
Latest Splashtop Streamer 1.5.5.4, on Windows 7 Ultimate
4GB DDR2 Ram, ATI 5570 1GB Ram Video Card, Phenom Black X4 965 3.8ghz
So I know its good enough to do heavy emulation with no problem
100MBps down and 5MBps upload with 10ms ping time
Tablet side:
TF101 with dock and wireless Xbox 360 controller
Revolver 3.2, stock 3.2 kernel
Running latest Splashtop HD app, and built in rebranded ASUS splashtop app.
Tethered to CM7 HTC EVO: 6MBps down and 1.07 up 122ms ping time
And work network gives 5.47Mbps down and .65 up 27ms ping time
(both give about the same results)
I have done everything I can think of, port forwarding,dmz mode, removed router all together, killed every program that didn't have to run, disabled antivirus.
But something tells me I'm missing something obvious. If I can get this running smoothly I'll make a video of how to set it up over the net, so more people can start doing it.
Some guy made a video yesterday, but I'm pretty sure it was local seeing as how he didn't even have the 360 controller connected to his tablet, he must have been in the same room as his pc, kinda defeating the purpose.
Anyways, I would love to hear any suggestions on how I can improve the streaming. Different client/app, different OS, anything.
The problem is not due to any configuration issues in your setup. The problem is that you're trying to pipe sound, video, input, and output through wifi. You're never going to get a smooth experience as if you were playing locally on the tablet because, on top of the latency of wifi, there is a ton of added overhead from Splashtop having to encode four different data streams down into one, and then having to decode it again once it gets to your tablet.
Not even big name business applications from Citrix and VMware offer the ability to reliably stream games over a network. The best performance ever achieved through a streaming solution for high-end gaming is OnLive, where they have massive data centers dedicated to the task, and even on Verizon FiOS you'll average around 150ms+ for latency. Smooth gameplay on Splashtop is not going to happen over wifi, or even direct connect.
... well thats not cool. What if i were to have everything wired? Would that help any? And use an ethernet cable for the tablet? Or is that what you meant by direct connected?maybe faster network cards or routers?
ThaDSman said:
... well thats not cool. What if i were to have everything wired? Would that help any? And use an ethernet cable for the tablet? Or is that what you meant by direct connected?maybe faster network cards or routers?
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When I say direct connect, I mean ethernet cables. To put it simply, there simply does not exist a cheap solution for playing games remotely between two computers, especially when you consider the amount of bandwidth required to drive the input and output locally on a PC. For just the monitor alone, DVI has a base signal bandwidth of 3.96 Gbit/s, which is essentially four times as fast as standard Category 5e cables. Furthermore, the Transformer will only support a maximum of 100 Mbit/s through USB to ethernet adapters, so you can only operate at about 2.5% of the signal bandwidth required for just the monitor of a gaming machine.
To achieve a smooth 60fps remotely between two computers, you need at least a 10 Gbit connection, which is currently only available for servers. Even then, a 10 Gbit PCI card costs at least $400, and a 10-foot cable to match will run about $100. It's just not feasible on the Transformer.
Thanks for the explanation, I've wasted months trying to get this going, its nice to know why it didn't work too well.
Why don't you start small. Start with no audio or inputs on the transformer side. Pair the controller to the PC directly with sound disabled. Just stream the graphics. Lower the resolution (if you can) and try to pipe it over.
You said you were doing Ad-Hoc Wireless? Ad-Hoc has a shorter range vs a Router. Plus various Wireless Signals (B,G,N) have different speeds at different distances. B has 11mpbs if you are within range. G and N will give you faster speeds the closer you are away, but will also trickle down to nothing. B also has a farther range. So B is my personal choice. Better Range and solid 11mbps.
Try using a router and setting it for 102.11b. Pick a good unused channel (no interference). Select a low resolution and only stream the Video. Also try lowering your colors down to 16-bit (not 16 colors) or 256-colors.
The goal is to get get a good solid base where streaming video is flawless. Then slowly add in stuff.
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
5 years ago I made a video called wii on psp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/17/kid-takes-psp-and-makes-it-play-wii/
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10012
1.5 years ago I made this video:
wii on ipod touch:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/modder-transmits-wii-games-to-ipod-touch-which-isnt-really-as/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjqt6UcVfk
9 months ago I made this video:
playing wii on psp:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/lag-free-wii-on-psp-episode-ii-mario-kart-strikes-back/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1b1iNgl8M
and now this video
wii on android:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/play-wii-games-on-your-android-tablet-via-network-streaming-vid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lqHN_lsQk
I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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Why don't you start small. Start with no audio or inputs on the transformer side. Pair the controller to the PC directly with sound disabled. Just stream the graphics. Lower the resolution (if you can) and try to pipe it over.
You said you were doing Ad-Hoc Wireless? Ad-Hoc has a shorter range vs a Router. Plus various Wireless Signals (B,G,N) have different speeds at different distances. B has 11mpbs if you are within range. G and N will give you faster speeds the closer you are away, but will also trickle down to nothing. B also has a farther range. So B is my personal choice. Better Range and solid 11mbps.
Try using a router and setting it for 102.11b. Pick a good unused channel (no interference). Select a low resolution and only stream the Video. Also try lowering your colors down to 16-bit (not 16 colors) or 256-colors.
The goal is to get get a good solid base where streaming video is flawless. Then slowly add in stuff.
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Well, what I'm trying to do is not locally, it works smoothly locally. I'm trying to get it to work over the internet. I want to get it to run from where I am as long as I have a decent connection. So I already took my router out the picture, I plugged it directly to the modem, So I'm streaming like that now. And for my EVO I'm tethering to and my other test Access points, Im using Infrastructure modes not Ad-hoc.
And like you said Im going to start trying 1024*768 now to see if its smoother and im decreasing my colors from 32bit to 16bit.
but how do you disable audio?
obiwan22 said:
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
5 years ago I made a video called wii on psp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/17/kid-takes-psp-and-makes-it-play-wii/
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10012
1.5 years ago I made this video:
wii on ipod touch:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/modder-transmits-wii-games-to-ipod-touch-which-isnt-really-as/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjqt6UcVfk
9 months ago I made this video:
playing wii on psp:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/lag-free-wii-on-psp-episode-ii-mario-kart-strikes-back/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1b1iNgl8M
and now this video
wii on android:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/play-wii-games-on-your-android-tablet-via-network-streaming-vid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lqHN_lsQk
I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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My bad, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was dissing you, I know who you are, and that you did all those PSP videos years ago, it was the reason I bought a PSP and got into its homebrew scene, (I also tried contacting the developer who wrote the homebrew program you used to do a port to android or Windows Mobile before we got splashtop, but got no reply)
What did you use to load up the 360 receiver drivers on the transformer usb/bt joy?
And what rom and kernel combo are you using on the TF?
Getting it lag free would be awesome, even if we have to lower the quality considerably.
But understand I'm trying to get this to work over the internet, not locally or connected to the same network the pc is on. I want to be able to be at work or a friends house and still have this work.
It should be noted, too, that in addition to having massive data centers with ridiculously fast connections, OnLive has its own unique, high compression algorithm for encoding the data streams to allow for a better framerate over comparably slower home internet connections. Splashtop's compression, by comparison, is fairly minimal because it instead assumes that the client and server computers are connected to the same local network, and compensates for poor connection quality by buffering the data stream before outputting it. Obviously Splashtop's solution works beautifully for video because a 1 second delay has no effect on whether a video will play properly, but it's unacceptable for gaming.
Perhaps a better solution would be to make a request to the Splashtop developers, asking for a specialized gaming mode which compresses the stream to sacrifice some of the video quality for an improved response time. Aside from that, you could always just sign up for OnLive.
Ya, Onlive is pretty fresh, but the problem is there's no way to play it on android because all they have right now is a viewer for IOS and Android (whatever happened to that running in any browser idea?). Unless we use Splashtop or CrazyRemote Pro. Hopefully it'll be fast enough to do this too.
BTW I went and bought CrazyRemote Pro that $20 app (my pockets hurt) and it looks like it gives a smoother experience its considerably better than Splashtop, It lets you choose fps priority or a work mode were the video is sharper.
Maybe somebody else can try it out and see what kind of results they get?
Yea I can't see this happening over the internet. Most public wireless networks are designed to stop this sort of bandwidth hogging.
As long as you can stream it from the PC to the tablet reliably, I'd say this is a Win.
Wow.
obiwan22 said:
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
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I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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That's great. What software are you using for this? I have been thinking about writing an application for this. Windows to Windows (to keep it simple), 60 fps, FullHD, 32 bit colour, 1Gbps Ethernet.
Is this possible? The bandwidth required is about 4.4Gbps for uncompressed video, but is it not possible to use frame by frame lossless compression to reduce size by a mere factor of 5-8? If not, can I not use real time encoding using some relatively light codec? If all else fails, colour depth could also be reduced. Worst case, 30fps? C'mon that can't be hard.
Why does a high performance remote desktop not exist already?
Excitedly awaiting your response
Just picked up one of these an hour ago. Comes in 500 gigs worth of wireless happiness.
I'm dumping video clips I took with a digital camera, pictures, ebooks and my music onto it now.
The way you connect to it is it creates it's own wireless network that you connect to to access the drive. So looks like you lose wireless internet connectivity while accessing the drive.
Haven't tried to access it from the doubleshot yet, but i'm impatiently awaiting the transfer to finish.
I'm pretty sure this will alleviate the lack of decent storage space all phones and tablets suffer from.
I'll post back later today with how well it works and a link to the device's product page. Making links in posts is tedious on the Nook i'm typing from.
Edit:
Product webpage
I bought mine from BestBuy for $199.99+tax. So far worth every penny.
I can't wait to hear the results. Carrying around a movie library in conjunction with the Doubleshot's TV Out function sounds pretty awesome!!
Okay, slept and took my lady out for dinner.
Now that i'm back, the info is fully copied over and the device is charged.
First impressions are pretty great.
Comes with a proprietary usb cord to connect to a computer with, supports up to usb 3.0 (sweet!)
Also comes with an AC adapter to usb, and a car charger to usb. The coolest tiny little car adapter i've seen on the market to date, btw.
The usb cord that plugs in for just power to the device connects to the device through the tiny, round power input and not a straight usb connection.
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Connecting wirelessly to the device is done one of two ways:
-Any web browser
(mixed results with both opera mobile and the stock browser)
(web browser preferred for downloading content from the wireless HDD to the MT4GS)
-Through the Seagate GoFlex App (preferred for video or browsing content on the wireless HDD)
Browsing the contents of the drive is much, much preferred through the Seagate app, it works much better.
Yes, you can stream media directly from the device to the MT4GS and output to a television. ( As noted above by siani_8 - the whole reason I got the drive in the first place )
Video:
You can play video using QuickPic Which is my current and favorite gallery app, but it falls short on video due to one big failing: no option for soft decoding.
It doesn't matter playing video on the device itself, but as soon as you output to television ( from the MT4GS in general, not just the wireless HDD specifically ) you MUST default to soft decoding on any app you use or you will get skippy video on the television screen.
Can't help it, it's a limitation of the device. The hardware decoding (at least for an .avi file ) can't both output to television and keep up with decoding the video. It's okay, though, because with a dual-core Gen3 Snapdragon and a hefty amount of RAM the MT4GS is more then capable of soft-decoding without a loss of performance.
To this end, i'd love to point you in the direction of Mobo Player - my absolute favorite video player on any android device. Handles .avi and other file formats, is free, and works fantastically well.
So, quick recap so far:
Use the Seagate GoFlex app to access the wireless HDD, and when you tap on a video use Mobo Player to view it.
Enable soft-decoding by default in Mobo Player, and you'll be able to plug into a television and watch any movies you want streamed directly from the wireless HDD.
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Pictures:
You can view pictures from the wireless HDD using the GoFlex app.
Trying to download pictures to the MT4GS from the wireless HDD using the GoFlex app is not functional, but viewing is fine. Trying to download pictures or folders of pictures results in force close of the GoFlex app.
Recommend to use the web browser for downloading, but the GoFlex app for viewing.
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That's what i've got so far.
This thing is pretty awesome, i'm happy with my purchase, and watching Hackers as I type this up.
With any new technology, i'm sure there will be hiccups (such as the app force closing when trying to download pictures) but so far it seems pretty solid.
The info is on the device and works on several computers tested on (win xp an win 7) so far through usb.
Tried accessing it from my MT4GS running my own custom ROM, a hacked up version of the stock OS, and also from my Nook Color running the latest CM7 stable.
From both android devices the wireless HDD was no problem to connect with and use, and works just as you would imagine it should when you buy it from the store.
I think this is the beginning of a new future in mobile storage, and honestly, streaming video straight from my pocket to a television couldn't be easier.
Definite win, more info to come over the next few days as I play with it more.
Thanks for the post. I was on the fence about picking this up for my droid tablet
My friend has one of those and loves it.
Sent from my HTC myTouch_4G_Slide using xda premium
Sometimes I have trouble connecting to it, but not often.
I haven't tried to use the app for it in ages, which is probably a lot better by now.
I also haven't checked for firmware updates - ever - so it's likely some of those small hiccups are rectified.
Either way, it's way awesome, nothing like walking around with some 400 gigs of space just a button push away.
You can even just reach in a pocket or backpack and press the button then just do your thing walking around or whatever with access to whatever is on it.
Very handy, very nice despite it's small aggravations from time to time - for the prototype commercial product of what they will all be like in the future i'm thoroughly impressed.
Doesn't get hot when running from the battery, either, even in hard drive zipper case in my cargo pockets.
All in all, a solid win and definitely a quality offering for a new product type launch.
If I could go back to the store with the cash in my hand and stand in front of it to make the choice over, i'd get it in a heartbeat without hesitation.
Hey all!
I would like to know if there is a way to create a linux computer, which would communicate to a Android tablet for input/output functions.
Ideally I envision a small (like mini PC) linux computer sitting in my room. The tablet would be dockable to it it- where it would act as a simple touchscreen interface for the linux computer. Press a button, and the tablet can be removed as an Android tablet.
The tablet could access files (like music) on the linux computer and hopefully control something like a sound card also.
Perhaps a linux computer could run android? The tablet portion would simply be a wireless touchscreen essentially.
Any thoughts?
I haven't done much of that, but I'm sure that it is possible. Also, the Lenovo U1 comes close, although that is a laptop with Windows instead of Linux.
the majority of the functions would not be needed through a hardware I/O interface, all you would need is client server software on both devices.. If you really had to use a hardware interface you could use USB host mode i suppose and create a tcp/ip connection but this could be done over WiFi or Bluetooth.
android devices can already control many features of windows box's like vlc remote, xbmc, boxee and many more, it can also control the desktops mouse..
Linux wise, it shouldn't be much different..
You could just create a custom ui with loads of buttons that go to macros on the machine doing things like volume 0 -50 -100% etc
The lenovo U1 is tight!
What about more of the tablet just being the remote for a computer basically.
Take sound processing for instance- Android only does 2 channel and has very little in processing abilities- power amp is the most I've seen.
In a computer environment however, you can have way more channels, and lot more options like crossovers, time delay, parametric EQ, filters, etc. Things I doubt are possible on an android since they often require sophisticated sound cards not to mention eat up battery if they were possible.
What I want is to have a computer do that processing work, but have a simple tablet control the programs on the computer. I'd prefer to not have a custom UI since I like how people are very comfortable with android and it works very well. Also- perhaps you could use your phone to also control the computer.
I envision this:
A user would be laying in their bed, grab the tablet and select some music from the computer hard drive. Then they could control the sound and playback devices from the tablet. The processed sound from the computer goes to a home receiver as a digital signal, and the room fills with perfect sound. Then they decide they want to watch a blue ray. They toss it in the computer and it plays on their tablet with the sound coming from the receiver.
Have you thought about running vnc. or another type of remote desktop software , you could have the desktop wired up to the receiver etc , and just tell the computer to play the music or movie from the tablet .
Most remote desktop software have very crappy frame rates so playing back video this way kinda sucks but logmein ignition does surprisingly well on my tab211 when controlling my mac to do very similar things
( sorry I missed that post from anarchyuk completely , I was reading through pretty quick and missed it , so you can ignore this post )
Sounds like what I do with my android tablets via Skifta (free on Android Market0 using DLNA protocol.
Skifta app is installed on my EVO3D phone, Kindle Fire (running ICS Beta), and TF201.
When Skifta starts, you select your media source. In my case, 10TB Synology 411j running built-in DLNA media server.
Then select the Playback device. Which could be the tablet itself, my HTPC (XBMC/win7 connected to my home theater), or straight to my TV (Samsung LN46C750 has ethernet and accepts DLNA push request.)
Once source and playback targets are set, I just browse to whatever music or video I want and boom,it plays.
Highly recommend the Synology rigs. They also have built-in Dynamic DNS and OpenVPN server. Their DS Audio app (also free) allows my phone to connect back to my NAS over cellular network and play any song on the NAS via streaming.
Heck, if you plug an USB sound card like the SIIG audiowave 7.1 into the Synology's USB port, it can be an DLNA audio playback device, too.
One thing i really miss from my time spent with iPhone is airplay, used it everyday.
Since jumping on to WP7 i have searched hi & low for a streaming solution and haven`t found one yet.
So my question, is there any video/music streaming option for Mac to WP7 out there?
That might actually be worth developing. Bear in mind that WP7 users who run OS X PCs are going to be an extremely niche market, though. There are two ways that I can see to do it, though:
* Write a WP7 app that acts as a client for a current streaming service on OS X / iTunes. Make sure the stream can be decoded on the phone and that the service recognizes the app, but neither should be too hard (WP7 already recognizes most of Apple's codecs).
* Write a WP7 app that acts as a client to a dedicated media server app. Write that dedicated media server app, for OS X and possibly other platforms. The server would take care of ensuring WP7 compatibility. You'd need Apple dev tools (which is expensive, for somebody who currently owns no Apple hardware) and knowledge of writing good server code, though.
For HTC phones, you can download "Connected Media" from the HTC section of marketplace. Although not the greatest player, it does allow you to play non-DRM music and videos stored in your library (no streaming) to DLNA receivers. I use it to play to my Linksys Extender of my Media Center every once in a while.
@spokanedj: I think the OP is looking for the other direction, streaming files from the PC (Mac, in this case) to the phone. I'm guessing the goal is working around the limited storage on the phone for people with a really big media library.
I enjoy watching tv-shows when laying in bed, so yes im only interested in streaming.
I saw on https://www.emitapp.com/ that wp7 app coming soon.
I used emit on android, it wasnt perfect but i did the job
Hi everyone,
I have this old (5-year-old) 21" BenQ monitor lying around the house, gathering dust and cobwebs, and I'd like to put it to a good use as a makeshift workstation, but I don't want to invest in PC central unit, not even a barebone one.
The monitor has an HDMI port and two USB 2.0 ports, so I was wondering if an Android TV stick like this one (hope the link translates to your country, mine is in French, sorry) can be used to power it, provided I'm not looking for something too powerful, just a way to surf the Web and occasionally watch videos (no gaming of any kind).
Keyboard and mouse would be Bluetooth, of course, and I don't much care about storage, since I can use an external HDD via one of the monitor's USB ports (done that in the past when I was using it as a extra television).
So, what do you think? Is it doable, and can I just plain forget it?