I've been trying for months to get this setup to run smoothly (I prolly put too much money into it anyway lol), hopefully somebody here can help me out.
I am trying to stream from my home PC Wii Dolphin Emulator, using Splashtop remote as the streamer. When this is done locally its of course smooth,it still has that millisecond delay in between the pc and tablet but you can only notice it if your looking at the pc monitor, so that shouldn't matter.
PC side
Latest Splashtop Streamer 1.5.5.4, on Windows 7 Ultimate
4GB DDR2 Ram, ATI 5570 1GB Ram Video Card, Phenom Black X4 965 3.8ghz
So I know its good enough to do heavy emulation with no problem
100MBps down and 5MBps upload with 10ms ping time
Tablet side:
TF101 with dock and wireless Xbox 360 controller
Revolver 3.2, stock 3.2 kernel
Running latest Splashtop HD app, and built in rebranded ASUS splashtop app.
Tethered to CM7 HTC EVO: 6MBps down and 1.07 up 122ms ping time
And work network gives 5.47Mbps down and .65 up 27ms ping time
(both give about the same results)
I have done everything I can think of, port forwarding,dmz mode, removed router all together, killed every program that didn't have to run, disabled antivirus.
But something tells me I'm missing something obvious. If I can get this running smoothly I'll make a video of how to set it up over the net, so more people can start doing it.
Some guy made a video yesterday, but I'm pretty sure it was local seeing as how he didn't even have the 360 controller connected to his tablet, he must have been in the same room as his pc, kinda defeating the purpose.
Anyways, I would love to hear any suggestions on how I can improve the streaming. Different client/app, different OS, anything.
The problem is not due to any configuration issues in your setup. The problem is that you're trying to pipe sound, video, input, and output through wifi. You're never going to get a smooth experience as if you were playing locally on the tablet because, on top of the latency of wifi, there is a ton of added overhead from Splashtop having to encode four different data streams down into one, and then having to decode it again once it gets to your tablet.
Not even big name business applications from Citrix and VMware offer the ability to reliably stream games over a network. The best performance ever achieved through a streaming solution for high-end gaming is OnLive, where they have massive data centers dedicated to the task, and even on Verizon FiOS you'll average around 150ms+ for latency. Smooth gameplay on Splashtop is not going to happen over wifi, or even direct connect.
... well thats not cool. What if i were to have everything wired? Would that help any? And use an ethernet cable for the tablet? Or is that what you meant by direct connected?maybe faster network cards or routers?
ThaDSman said:
... well thats not cool. What if i were to have everything wired? Would that help any? And use an ethernet cable for the tablet? Or is that what you meant by direct connected?maybe faster network cards or routers?
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When I say direct connect, I mean ethernet cables. To put it simply, there simply does not exist a cheap solution for playing games remotely between two computers, especially when you consider the amount of bandwidth required to drive the input and output locally on a PC. For just the monitor alone, DVI has a base signal bandwidth of 3.96 Gbit/s, which is essentially four times as fast as standard Category 5e cables. Furthermore, the Transformer will only support a maximum of 100 Mbit/s through USB to ethernet adapters, so you can only operate at about 2.5% of the signal bandwidth required for just the monitor of a gaming machine.
To achieve a smooth 60fps remotely between two computers, you need at least a 10 Gbit connection, which is currently only available for servers. Even then, a 10 Gbit PCI card costs at least $400, and a 10-foot cable to match will run about $100. It's just not feasible on the Transformer.
Thanks for the explanation, I've wasted months trying to get this going, its nice to know why it didn't work too well.
Why don't you start small. Start with no audio or inputs on the transformer side. Pair the controller to the PC directly with sound disabled. Just stream the graphics. Lower the resolution (if you can) and try to pipe it over.
You said you were doing Ad-Hoc Wireless? Ad-Hoc has a shorter range vs a Router. Plus various Wireless Signals (B,G,N) have different speeds at different distances. B has 11mpbs if you are within range. G and N will give you faster speeds the closer you are away, but will also trickle down to nothing. B also has a farther range. So B is my personal choice. Better Range and solid 11mbps.
Try using a router and setting it for 102.11b. Pick a good unused channel (no interference). Select a low resolution and only stream the Video. Also try lowering your colors down to 16-bit (not 16 colors) or 256-colors.
The goal is to get get a good solid base where streaming video is flawless. Then slowly add in stuff.
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
5 years ago I made a video called wii on psp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/17/kid-takes-psp-and-makes-it-play-wii/
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10012
1.5 years ago I made this video:
wii on ipod touch:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/modder-transmits-wii-games-to-ipod-touch-which-isnt-really-as/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjqt6UcVfk
9 months ago I made this video:
playing wii on psp:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/lag-free-wii-on-psp-episode-ii-mario-kart-strikes-back/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1b1iNgl8M
and now this video
wii on android:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/play-wii-games-on-your-android-tablet-via-network-streaming-vid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lqHN_lsQk
I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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Why don't you start small. Start with no audio or inputs on the transformer side. Pair the controller to the PC directly with sound disabled. Just stream the graphics. Lower the resolution (if you can) and try to pipe it over.
You said you were doing Ad-Hoc Wireless? Ad-Hoc has a shorter range vs a Router. Plus various Wireless Signals (B,G,N) have different speeds at different distances. B has 11mpbs if you are within range. G and N will give you faster speeds the closer you are away, but will also trickle down to nothing. B also has a farther range. So B is my personal choice. Better Range and solid 11mbps.
Try using a router and setting it for 102.11b. Pick a good unused channel (no interference). Select a low resolution and only stream the Video. Also try lowering your colors down to 16-bit (not 16 colors) or 256-colors.
The goal is to get get a good solid base where streaming video is flawless. Then slowly add in stuff.
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Well, what I'm trying to do is not locally, it works smoothly locally. I'm trying to get it to work over the internet. I want to get it to run from where I am as long as I have a decent connection. So I already took my router out the picture, I plugged it directly to the modem, So I'm streaming like that now. And for my EVO I'm tethering to and my other test Access points, Im using Infrastructure modes not Ad-hoc.
And like you said Im going to start trying 1024*768 now to see if its smoother and im decreasing my colors from 32bit to 16bit.
but how do you disable audio?
obiwan22 said:
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
5 years ago I made a video called wii on psp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/17/kid-takes-psp-and-makes-it-play-wii/
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10012
1.5 years ago I made this video:
wii on ipod touch:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/modder-transmits-wii-games-to-ipod-touch-which-isnt-really-as/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjqt6UcVfk
9 months ago I made this video:
playing wii on psp:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/lag-free-wii-on-psp-episode-ii-mario-kart-strikes-back/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1b1iNgl8M
and now this video
wii on android:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/play-wii-games-on-your-android-tablet-via-network-streaming-vid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lqHN_lsQk
I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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My bad, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was dissing you, I know who you are, and that you did all those PSP videos years ago, it was the reason I bought a PSP and got into its homebrew scene, (I also tried contacting the developer who wrote the homebrew program you used to do a port to android or Windows Mobile before we got splashtop, but got no reply)
What did you use to load up the 360 receiver drivers on the transformer usb/bt joy?
And what rom and kernel combo are you using on the TF?
Getting it lag free would be awesome, even if we have to lower the quality considerably.
But understand I'm trying to get this to work over the internet, not locally or connected to the same network the pc is on. I want to be able to be at work or a friends house and still have this work.
It should be noted, too, that in addition to having massive data centers with ridiculously fast connections, OnLive has its own unique, high compression algorithm for encoding the data streams to allow for a better framerate over comparably slower home internet connections. Splashtop's compression, by comparison, is fairly minimal because it instead assumes that the client and server computers are connected to the same local network, and compensates for poor connection quality by buffering the data stream before outputting it. Obviously Splashtop's solution works beautifully for video because a 1 second delay has no effect on whether a video will play properly, but it's unacceptable for gaming.
Perhaps a better solution would be to make a request to the Splashtop developers, asking for a specialized gaming mode which compresses the stream to sacrifice some of the video quality for an improved response time. Aside from that, you could always just sign up for OnLive.
Ya, Onlive is pretty fresh, but the problem is there's no way to play it on android because all they have right now is a viewer for IOS and Android (whatever happened to that running in any browser idea?). Unless we use Splashtop or CrazyRemote Pro. Hopefully it'll be fast enough to do this too.
BTW I went and bought CrazyRemote Pro that $20 app (my pockets hurt) and it looks like it gives a smoother experience its considerably better than Splashtop, It lets you choose fps priority or a work mode were the video is sharper.
Maybe somebody else can try it out and see what kind of results they get?
Yea I can't see this happening over the internet. Most public wireless networks are designed to stop this sort of bandwidth hogging.
As long as you can stream it from the PC to the tablet reliably, I'd say this is a Win.
Wow.
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my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
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I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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That's great. What software are you using for this? I have been thinking about writing an application for this. Windows to Windows (to keep it simple), 60 fps, FullHD, 32 bit colour, 1Gbps Ethernet.
Is this possible? The bandwidth required is about 4.4Gbps for uncompressed video, but is it not possible to use frame by frame lossless compression to reduce size by a mere factor of 5-8? If not, can I not use real time encoding using some relatively light codec? If all else fails, colour depth could also be reduced. Worst case, 30fps? C'mon that can't be hard.
Why does a high performance remote desktop not exist already?
Excitedly awaiting your response
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I've been using both the "My cloud" app and the Splashtop HD app for remoting to two of my computers (one is running Win 7 Home, the other XP Pro SP3), and while I don't have problems connecting, I'm experiencing A LOT OF LAG when connecting to either. There's lag in the mouse-tracking, but more importantly (why I wanted to use something like splashtop in the first place), streaming videos from Netflix and/or Hulu are incredibly laggy, and sometimes the video doesn't even seem to be refreshing on my TF screen (though I can look at the computer and verify that video is playing as usual), and sometimes the audio on the TF cuts in and out, or stops all together.
I hear of people saying that their splashtop experience is "butter smooth," and I'm wondering if there's something I can tweak?
Both devices are wirelessly connecting to my n-router with very strong connections, all over my home network (not externally connecting).
Does anyone else experience lag when viewing streaming videos over splashtop (or Mycloud)? And if not, did you have to do something special to get it that way? There really aren't a whole lot of "settings" to tweak in either the TF or desktop programs--might there be router tweaks necessary?
Please show us your computer specs.
The system requirements for the streamer is at least 1.6 gHz dual core + 1GB ram.
Also, Maybe look into the splashtop remote HD. It seems to work a lot better than the one bundled in the transformer (hopefully it will be in a future asus update).
I can run it smoothly on my 2.5 ghz dual core laptop with 4GB ram but it runs sluggish on my 3.1Ghz pentium 4 desktop with 2Gb ram (both windows 7)
will3330 said:
Please show us your computer specs.
The system requirements for the streamer is at least 1.6 gHz dual core + 1GB ram.
Also, Maybe look into the splashtop remote HD. It seems to work a lot better than the one bundled in the transformer (hopefully it will be in a future asus update).
I can run it smoothly on my 2.5 ghz dual core laptop with 4GB ram but it runs sluggish on my 3.1Ghz pentium 4 desktop with 2Gb ram (both windows 7)
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Thanks for the response. I don't think it's a hardware issue. The main parts are below.
XP Machine: 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo with 2GB of RAM and HD5750 gfx card
Win 7 Machine: i3-350M with 4GB of RAM and Intel HD graphics (ugh, but it still works...).
I tried both the Mycloud and the Splashtop HD apps--both exhibit lag. I'd like to think this is a network issue, but I can't fathom what/where could use tweaking to make it better. :/
guyladouche said:
Thanks for the response. I don't think it's a hardware issue. The main parts are below.
XP Machine: 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo with 2GB of RAM and HD5750 gfx card
Win 7 Machine: i3-350M with 4GB of RAM and Intel HD graphics (ugh, but it still works...).
I tried both the Mycloud and the Splashtop HD apps--both exhibit lag. I'd like to think this is a network issue, but I can't fathom what/where could use tweaking to make it better. :/
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maybe set QoS in the router you're using?
When I use Splashtop HD on the same WiFi network as my computer - it runs super smooth but if I use it with different networks, it's almost not usable... lags bad!
aussiebum said:
maybe set QoS in the router you're using?
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Do you have any suggestions as to what QoS settings to edit/change?
I'm wondering if I should even bother connecting a computer via ethernet to the router and see if that helps, though from what others are saying, it should work fine on just wifi.
It should work fine on wifi, but I would personally just wire it up.
To test your wifi connection on your pc, open up a command window and type "ping -t [ip of your gateway]". In my case, my router's ip is 192.168.1.1 so I would type "ping -t 192.168.1.1"
This command will ping your router indefinitely. Observe the "time=" section of the output. If you have a solid connection to your router, that number shouldn't deviate very much and it should also be relatively low (<20ms). If you see that it jumps wildly between 5-2000ms, then the problem is your connection to the router and that will surely cause lag.
Spd2Last said:
It should work fine on wifi, but I would personally just wire it up.
To test your wifi connection on your pc, open up a command window and type "ping -t [ip of your gateway]". In my case, my router's ip is 192.168.1.1 so I would type "ping -t 192.168.1.1"
This command will ping your router indefinitely. Observe the "time=" section of the output. If you have a solid connection to your router, that number shouldn't deviate very much and it should also be relatively low (<20ms). If you see that it jumps wildly between 5-2000ms, then the problem is your connection to the router and that will surely cause lag.
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I didn't ping to my router recently, but latency to various sites--gaming or speedtest--have always been very low, near the teens of ms. So I would be surprised if the ping between my computer and router would be high. I'll check this evening when I'm back home.
I'll also try it with my PC wired. Perhaps it is a wireless issue. Guess I should also make sure packets aren't being dropped, but again, I don't notice anything that would indicate this is happening (outside of the poor splashtop experience).
Thanks again!
The continuous test will show more. When you ping a single website 4 times, you really haven't taxed the connection. Doing it continuously will load it up and see if there is any breakdown. I'm having a similar issue with Pocket Cloud, so i don't believe its the apps causing it.
kampfwolf09 said:
The continuous test will show more. When you ping a single website 4 times, you really haven't taxed the connection. Doing it continuously will load it up and see if there is any breakdown. I'm having a similar issue with Pocket Cloud, so i don't believe its the apps causing it.
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Ah, thanks. I'll give it a shot this evening and see how it responds.
Spd2Last said:
To test your wifi connection on your pc, open up a command window and type "ping -t [ip of your gateway]". In my case, my router's ip is 192.168.1.1 so I would type "ping -t 192.168.1.1"
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Better still, use "ping -t -l 1472 [ip of your gateway]". The default on Windows is, if I recall, to use 32-byte packets, which are not going to tax your router at ~one second intervals. That command increases the packet size to 1472 bytes, which is the maximum packet size that will pass without fragmentation on non-PPPoE, non-VPN connections.
If you see no issues with 1472 byte packets, you can try a network stress test with netio:
http://www.ars.de/ars/ars.nsf/docs/netio
Download, unzip on two machines on your network (ideally, one using wifi since that's what your Transformer is using, and placed in the same location you're using the tablet), then run the client on one end, and the server on the other end. Compiled executables are in the bin folder of the download, for windows you want the win32-i386 executable, and if you run it from a command shell without any options, it'll give you instructions.
You could also just increase the ping packet size (IIRC the max is 65,535 bytes), but many routers will block pings over a certain size, so I'd recommend netio instead.
/former network engineer
I have the client installed on an i7 2600k with 8GB of RAM... still lags like crazy, so it's not the computer specs.
I would guess the buttery smooth reports are from the people using Splashtop on iOS devices. It wouldn't be the first time that the iPad is buttery smooth and us Android folks are hung out to dry with ugly, poorly optimized apps.
I want to know if the enabling dual-core setting even does anything. I don't notice any changes whatsoever with it on or off, looks just for show.
Shawn_230 said:
I have the client installed on an i7 2600k with 8GB of RAM... still lags like crazy, so it's not the computer specs.
I would guess the buttery smooth reports are from the people using Splashtop on iOS devices. It wouldn't be the first time that the iPad is buttery smooth and us Android folks are hung out to dry with ugly, poorly optimized apps.
I want to know if the enabling dual-core setting even does anything. I don't notice any changes whatsoever with it on or off, looks just for show.
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I don't see how or why you would come up with that guess. Most everybody here has an Android device. All of the reviews for the Splashtop app on the Android market are from Android users. Yes, there's a Spashtop app for iOS, but nobody here has mentioned anything about using Splashtop on iOS.
I bought Splashtop HD for my transformer after having used the built-in app. The built-in app worked fine (as in smooth), the HD app works even better because of the added features. The three computers I'm streaming from are my desktop (Win7) and 2 laptops (Win7 and XP), and they work great except XP that has no sound.
Desktop:
Core 2 Quad (Q6600) @ 3.0GHz
4GB DDR2-800
nVidia GTX 460
Laptops:
Core 2 Duo @ 1.83GHz
2GB of RAM (forgot what speed)
nVidia Go7200 and the other is ATI 1400 or something like that
Have you diagnosed your connection to the network to identify what's causing the lag?
I'm not an Apple fanboy, fact of the matter is most apps are smoother in the iOS iteration. That's how I came up with that guess, and it was just a guess.
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I'm not an Apple fanboy, fact of the matter is most apps are smoother in the iOS iteration. That's how I came up with that guess, and it was just a guess.
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I didn't accuse you of being one, lol. I was just wondering why you made that comment since nobody had mentioned anything about iOS. Though I will agree with your comment that I quoted. I've been using jailbroken iOS devices for about 3 years and just got a transformer a few weeks ago.
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I don't see how or why you would come up with that guess. Most everybody here has an Android device. All of the reviews for the Splashtop app on the Android market are from Android users. Yes, there's a Spashtop app for iOS, but nobody here has mentioned anything about using Splashtop on iOS.
I bought Splashtop HD for my transformer after having used the built-in app. The built-in app worked fine (as in smooth), the HD app works even better because of the added features. The three computers I'm streaming from are my desktop (Win7) and 2 laptops (Win7 and XP), and they work great except XP that has no sound.
Desktop:
Core 2 Quad (Q6600) @ 3.0GHz
4GB DDR2-800
nVidia GTX 460
Laptops:
Core 2 Duo @ 1.83GHz
2GB of RAM (forgot what speed)
nVidia Go7200 and the other is ATI 1400 or something like that
Have you diagnosed your connection to the network to identify what's causing the lag?
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I don't think they were implying that the "buttery smooth" reports were from people on this site--I think they were inferring that from my original post where I spoke of buttery smooth reports in a ubiquitous way--not necessarily people on this site, which could have been from iOS users (I honestly didn't pay attention before).
I'm going to look over the network this evening, and will try a hard-wired computer (the last computer I have yet to try is my laptop).
Well personally I have never read any reports of Splashtop being buttery smooth on an Android device, so I assumed they were talking about the iOS version... indeed, some of those people specifically mentioned being on the iPad.
Anyway, I played around with it a bit more and it's kind of hit or miss. Standard definition video is pretty okay though not perfect, but even 720p HD videos are choppy.
I do admit that for just controlling a PC Splashtop is pretty amazing, the animation in Windows 7 give it a bit of difficulty and lag but overall it's not too bad compared to say, RDC which lags quite a bit just typing into a browser for instance.
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I would guess the buttery smooth reports are from the people using Splashtop on iOS devices. It wouldn't be the first time that the iPad is buttery smooth and us Android folks are hung out to dry with ugly, poorly optimized apps.
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Definitely not the case. It's staggeringly smooth for me -- there's even barely any lag when I move the mouse attached to the PC but watch the tablet instead. Full-screen HD video is extremely watchable. My only issue with the video quality is that there's sometimes visible macroblocking, especially in low-detail, low-luminance areas of the picture. I can easily put up with that for the convenience of being able to stream high-def movies to my tab, though.
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Definitely not the case. It's staggeringly smooth for me -- there's even barely any lag when I move the mouse attached to the PC but watch the tablet instead. Full-screen HD video is extremely watchable. My only issue with the video quality is that there's sometimes visible macroblocking, especially in low-detail, low-luminance areas of the picture. I can easily put up with that for the convenience of being able to stream high-def movies to my tab, though.
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Congratulations.
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Congratulations.
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Alrighty then.
Just picked up one of these an hour ago. Comes in 500 gigs worth of wireless happiness.
I'm dumping video clips I took with a digital camera, pictures, ebooks and my music onto it now.
The way you connect to it is it creates it's own wireless network that you connect to to access the drive. So looks like you lose wireless internet connectivity while accessing the drive.
Haven't tried to access it from the doubleshot yet, but i'm impatiently awaiting the transfer to finish.
I'm pretty sure this will alleviate the lack of decent storage space all phones and tablets suffer from.
I'll post back later today with how well it works and a link to the device's product page. Making links in posts is tedious on the Nook i'm typing from.
Edit:
Product webpage
I bought mine from BestBuy for $199.99+tax. So far worth every penny.
I can't wait to hear the results. Carrying around a movie library in conjunction with the Doubleshot's TV Out function sounds pretty awesome!!
Okay, slept and took my lady out for dinner.
Now that i'm back, the info is fully copied over and the device is charged.
First impressions are pretty great.
Comes with a proprietary usb cord to connect to a computer with, supports up to usb 3.0 (sweet!)
Also comes with an AC adapter to usb, and a car charger to usb. The coolest tiny little car adapter i've seen on the market to date, btw.
The usb cord that plugs in for just power to the device connects to the device through the tiny, round power input and not a straight usb connection.
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Connecting wirelessly to the device is done one of two ways:
-Any web browser
(mixed results with both opera mobile and the stock browser)
(web browser preferred for downloading content from the wireless HDD to the MT4GS)
-Through the Seagate GoFlex App (preferred for video or browsing content on the wireless HDD)
Browsing the contents of the drive is much, much preferred through the Seagate app, it works much better.
Yes, you can stream media directly from the device to the MT4GS and output to a television. ( As noted above by siani_8 - the whole reason I got the drive in the first place )
Video:
You can play video using QuickPic Which is my current and favorite gallery app, but it falls short on video due to one big failing: no option for soft decoding.
It doesn't matter playing video on the device itself, but as soon as you output to television ( from the MT4GS in general, not just the wireless HDD specifically ) you MUST default to soft decoding on any app you use or you will get skippy video on the television screen.
Can't help it, it's a limitation of the device. The hardware decoding (at least for an .avi file ) can't both output to television and keep up with decoding the video. It's okay, though, because with a dual-core Gen3 Snapdragon and a hefty amount of RAM the MT4GS is more then capable of soft-decoding without a loss of performance.
To this end, i'd love to point you in the direction of Mobo Player - my absolute favorite video player on any android device. Handles .avi and other file formats, is free, and works fantastically well.
So, quick recap so far:
Use the Seagate GoFlex app to access the wireless HDD, and when you tap on a video use Mobo Player to view it.
Enable soft-decoding by default in Mobo Player, and you'll be able to plug into a television and watch any movies you want streamed directly from the wireless HDD.
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Pictures:
You can view pictures from the wireless HDD using the GoFlex app.
Trying to download pictures to the MT4GS from the wireless HDD using the GoFlex app is not functional, but viewing is fine. Trying to download pictures or folders of pictures results in force close of the GoFlex app.
Recommend to use the web browser for downloading, but the GoFlex app for viewing.
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That's what i've got so far.
This thing is pretty awesome, i'm happy with my purchase, and watching Hackers as I type this up.
With any new technology, i'm sure there will be hiccups (such as the app force closing when trying to download pictures) but so far it seems pretty solid.
The info is on the device and works on several computers tested on (win xp an win 7) so far through usb.
Tried accessing it from my MT4GS running my own custom ROM, a hacked up version of the stock OS, and also from my Nook Color running the latest CM7 stable.
From both android devices the wireless HDD was no problem to connect with and use, and works just as you would imagine it should when you buy it from the store.
I think this is the beginning of a new future in mobile storage, and honestly, streaming video straight from my pocket to a television couldn't be easier.
Definite win, more info to come over the next few days as I play with it more.
Thanks for the post. I was on the fence about picking this up for my droid tablet
My friend has one of those and loves it.
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Sometimes I have trouble connecting to it, but not often.
I haven't tried to use the app for it in ages, which is probably a lot better by now.
I also haven't checked for firmware updates - ever - so it's likely some of those small hiccups are rectified.
Either way, it's way awesome, nothing like walking around with some 400 gigs of space just a button push away.
You can even just reach in a pocket or backpack and press the button then just do your thing walking around or whatever with access to whatever is on it.
Very handy, very nice despite it's small aggravations from time to time - for the prototype commercial product of what they will all be like in the future i'm thoroughly impressed.
Doesn't get hot when running from the battery, either, even in hard drive zipper case in my cargo pockets.
All in all, a solid win and definitely a quality offering for a new product type launch.
If I could go back to the store with the cash in my hand and stand in front of it to make the choice over, i'd get it in a heartbeat without hesitation.
Hi,
I tested microHDMI cable today and connected pad to the HDTV. Works amazingly well. Surprised.
I was watching picture gallery, a HD movie and just took a quick 10 minute test.
I wonder what could be other practical things and what this could be used for:
- presentations
- music, of course
- games? how?
I have a problem with a fact that when the screen goes off - tablet is locked - movies stop playing.
This means the screen of pad must be always "on". So you basically have two screens. Not practical. Any workaround?
Same goes for games. I noticed i still have to look at the tablet to know where to press on the screen, so except when using the game controller and screen on....it is not possible to play on TV.
Am I correct? Any practical ideas? What can we use HDMI for.
My cable is also ethernet capable, which i didn't even know it exists. What about that? How to use that?
Sorry, many questions
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Same goes for games. I noticed i still have to look at the tablet to know where to press on the screen, so except when using the game controller and screen on....it is not possible to play on TV.
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A gamepad/controller will solve that issue. I agree that using the tablet for input and TV for displaying the output is not ideal
I've used the tablet with a micro-HDMI cable and BSPlayer with great results. It supports LAN mode (SBM/Windows file sharing), and can stream directly from RAR archives. Great for watching TV shows, etc for those of us who can't get Netflix, Hulu and so on.
My cable is also ethernet capable, which i didn't even know it exists. What about that? How to use that?
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This is a feature added in the HDMI 1.4 specification. It basically throws in a full duplex 100 Mbps Ethernet link alongside everything else going through the cable. It needs to be supported by both ends, and is mostly for TVs, receivers, etc. As far as I know, the TF700 does not support it, I'd be surprised if it did.
The cable is just transporting the signal, but manufacturers (and especially eBay sellers) love putting on features like that on HDMI cables. "3D support! Ethernet support! Will get you laid!" and so on
(More on HDMI 1.4, as well as version comparisons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_1.4)
I know at least for my phone...I never really use it for anything more than playing a couple games with a controller, watching a video, or viewing photos. Maybe browsing the web, but not really. Emulators are the best, I love being able to play a little Super Smash Bros or Zelda: OoT on my TV via my phone (and tablet).
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I have a problem with a fact that when the screen goes off - tablet is locked - movies stop playing.
This means the screen of pad must be always "on". So you basically have two screens. Not practical. Any workaround?
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Dice Player has a Background playback.
You could hook up a PS3 controller and play some games like Shadowgun and GTA3 without having to root your device for the SixAxis app.
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Currently, for the Project Shield to play PC games you have to be on the same WIFI network as your own PC (to reduce latency, it makes sense)
However, with Nvidia's GRID service, does anyone know if that will enable us to play PC games in just about any wifi area? (assuming we are a member of the GRID service, whose details I am still a bit iffy on) I am having trouble finding a news about this.
Also, in the few demo videos I have seen, Nvidia has shown that the Shield can stream PC games through your HDTV, but it has been hooked up via HDMI. I believe they said eventually it would be possible to do it wirelessly (which I hope is true, since having an HDMI cable connected at all times would be a bit...wonky). So PC -> Shield -> HDTV, without the use of an HDMI cable... - Can anyone confirm if this is true?
Thanks!
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Currently, for the Project Shield to play PC games you have to be on the same WIFI network as your own PC (to reduce latency, it makes sense)
However, with Nvidia's GRID service, does anyone know if that will enable us to play PC games in just about any wifi area? (assuming we are a member of the GRID service, whose details I am still a bit iffy on) I am having trouble finding a news about this.
Also, in the few demo videos I have seen, Nvidia has shown that the Shield can stream PC games through your HDTV, but it has been hooked up via HDMI. I believe they said eventually it would be possible to do it wirelessly (which I hope is true, since having an HDMI cable connected at all times would be a bit...wonky). So PC -> Shield -> HDTV, without the use of an HDMI cable... - Can anyone confirm if this is true?
Thanks!
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What I want to know, is if we can use root access to set up a VPN or possibly trick the shield into streaming without being on the same wifi network. My home network has a latency of 8MS to google, my work network has around 20MS. Which to me would be fine for this sort of thing latency wise.
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What I want to know, is if we can use root access to set up a VPN or possibly trick the shield into streaming without being on the same wifi network. My home network has a latency of 8MS to google, my work network has around 20MS. Which to me would be fine for this sort of thing latency wise.
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The real question will be about uplink bandwidth. Google Fiber users would have *no* issue. Most of us have restrictive uplinks, where our providers throttle the upload speed. Because the vast majority of data would be going from your PC to the internet and down to your client, that's where you need a fat pipe. You should measure that pipe speed to see if it seems reasonable to get working first.
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The real question will be about uplink bandwidth. Google Fiber users would have *no* issue. Most of us have restrictive uplinks, where our providers throttle the upload speed. Because the vast majority of data would be going from your PC to the internet and down to your client, that's where you need a fat pipe. You should measure that pipe speed to see if it seems reasonable to get working first.
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I've got a REALLY fat pipe. Upload is 60mbps download is 170mbps. Ping to google is usually around 8-12.
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I've got a REALLY fat pipe. Upload is 60mbps download is 170mbps. Ping to google is usually around 8-12.
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That comment borders on the obscene.
I don't actually know what the uplink requirements are. I'm not part of the network ops team, nor streaming services.
As to the actual thread, I'm 100% sure that grid will be coming to shield. On the grid website it says "Any-device gaming: High-quality, low-latency, multi device gaming on any PC, Mac, tablet, smartphone or TV. " The shield is essentially a small tablet. Running android. If they put it on smartphones and tablet and not the shield they would be pretty stupid. http://www.nvidia.com/object/cloud-gaming.html
Grid is a bit different than streaming from your PC to anywhere. But I don't currently know the bandwidth requirements.
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As to the actual thread, I'm 100% sure that grid will be coming to shield. On the grid website it says "Any-device gaming: High-quality, low-latency, multi device gaming on any PC, Mac, tablet, smartphone or TV. " The shield is essentially a small tablet. Running android. If they put it on smartphones and tablet and not the shield they would be pretty stupid. http://www.nvidia.com/object/cloud-gaming.html
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shield will run any android app so you could easily sideload it or on a rooted device spoof your device idea to the play store to download it from there.
If they release it on android there would be no way to prevent the shield access.
I've had such a positive experience with shield streaming even remotely it has renewed my interest in streaming to multiple platforms.
Has any software come out to low latency stream one PC to another PC? I'd love to be able to use relatively cheap laptops which have massive battery life and use my home computer to do all the computing like with the shield.
Anyone have any experience with trying this?
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I've had such a positive experience with shield streaming even remotely it has renewed my interest in streaming to multiple platforms.
Has any software come out to low latency stream one PC to another PC? I'd love to be able to use relatively cheap laptops which have massive battery life and use my home computer to do all the computing like with the shield.
Anyone have any experience with trying this?
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The best you're probably going to get is using Splashtop. I've used it to play games that were on my desktop, but had problems with a couple occasionally.
Limelight
These guys have worked on porting the the protocol and tech that the shield uses (Gamestream) to other android devices: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2505510
They are currently working on porting it to PC. There is a pre-alpha build of the program in the thread but you should note that the program is in its very early stages.
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Splashtop 2 is the best I've used, well worth the sub, especially if you own multiple machines.
One thing i have noticed since I started using the shield is that splash-top now streams games just fine to any of my devices in true full screen, it used to tell me full screen was incompatible with splash top but ever since i started streaming with the shield it works just fine. It must be something related to the shield/geforce experience streaming software that tricks the slashtop into working in fullscreen.
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very interesting, giving this a try now.
Hm if I want to use splashtop I'll have to re-setup vpn again so I don't have to pay that remote cost. I wonder if someone ever wrote a program like the shield proxy to forward just the stuff used by splashtop to my PC to avoid slow VPN.
Let me know how that kainy.com works out seems a bit sketchy to me lol
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Hm if I want to use splashtop I'll have to re-setup vpn again so I don't have to pay that remote cost. I wonder if someone ever wrote a program like the shield proxy to forward just the stuff used by splashtop to my PC to avoid slow VPN.
Let me know how that kainy.com works out seems a bit sketchy to me lol
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You can also use Limelight for remote streaming. It works with Shield Proxy just the same as the real streaming software on the Shield itself. Just run the Windows binary on the machine that you'll be streaming from, setup the port forwarding, and you're set. Whenever you connect remotely, specify the external IP address of your router.
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You can also use Limelight for remote streaming. It works with Shield Proxy just the same as the real streaming software on the Shield itself. Just run the Windows binary on the machine that you'll be streaming from, setup the port forwarding, and you're set. Whenever you connect remotely, specify the external IP address of your router.
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Well my shield works fine what I'm trying to do now is do shield quality streaming to another PC. I have this very powerful desktop and a bunch of fairly weak laptops would love to stream to a laptop to use my desktop quality gaming anywhere for those games which need a keyboard and mouse and cant do on shield.
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Well my shield works fine what I'm trying to do now is do shield quality streaming to another PC. I have this very powerful desktop and a bunch of fairly weak laptops would love to stream to a laptop to use my desktop quality gaming anywhere for those games which need a keyboard and mouse and cant do on shield.
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Yep, there's a PC port of Limelight that uses the same technology as the Shield. There's more info in the Limelight thread.
https://github.com/limelight-stream/limelight-pc/releases
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Yep, there's a PC port of Limelight that uses the same technology as the Shield. There's more info in the Limelight thread.
https://github.com/limelight-stream/limelight-pc/releases
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Well that's worth a look it seems people have got streaming to work to their Rasberry Pi and here i was worried about using a very low powered high battery life laptop.