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[Q] Splashtop: Lots of lag with TF, how to fix?

I've been using both the "My cloud" app and the Splashtop HD app for remoting to two of my computers (one is running Win 7 Home, the other XP Pro SP3), and while I don't have problems connecting, I'm experiencing A LOT OF LAG when connecting to either. There's lag in the mouse-tracking, but more importantly (why I wanted to use something like splashtop in the first place), streaming videos from Netflix and/or Hulu are incredibly laggy, and sometimes the video doesn't even seem to be refreshing on my TF screen (though I can look at the computer and verify that video is playing as usual), and sometimes the audio on the TF cuts in and out, or stops all together.
I hear of people saying that their splashtop experience is "butter smooth," and I'm wondering if there's something I can tweak?
Both devices are wirelessly connecting to my n-router with very strong connections, all over my home network (not externally connecting).
Does anyone else experience lag when viewing streaming videos over splashtop (or Mycloud)? And if not, did you have to do something special to get it that way? There really aren't a whole lot of "settings" to tweak in either the TF or desktop programs--might there be router tweaks necessary?

Please show us your computer specs.
The system requirements for the streamer is at least 1.6 gHz dual core + 1GB ram.
Also, Maybe look into the splashtop remote HD. It seems to work a lot better than the one bundled in the transformer (hopefully it will be in a future asus update).
I can run it smoothly on my 2.5 ghz dual core laptop with 4GB ram but it runs sluggish on my 3.1Ghz pentium 4 desktop with 2Gb ram (both windows 7)

will3330 said:
Please show us your computer specs.
The system requirements for the streamer is at least 1.6 gHz dual core + 1GB ram.
Also, Maybe look into the splashtop remote HD. It seems to work a lot better than the one bundled in the transformer (hopefully it will be in a future asus update).
I can run it smoothly on my 2.5 ghz dual core laptop with 4GB ram but it runs sluggish on my 3.1Ghz pentium 4 desktop with 2Gb ram (both windows 7)
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Thanks for the response. I don't think it's a hardware issue. The main parts are below.
XP Machine: 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo with 2GB of RAM and HD5750 gfx card
Win 7 Machine: i3-350M with 4GB of RAM and Intel HD graphics (ugh, but it still works...).
I tried both the Mycloud and the Splashtop HD apps--both exhibit lag. I'd like to think this is a network issue, but I can't fathom what/where could use tweaking to make it better. :/

guyladouche said:
Thanks for the response. I don't think it's a hardware issue. The main parts are below.
XP Machine: 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo with 2GB of RAM and HD5750 gfx card
Win 7 Machine: i3-350M with 4GB of RAM and Intel HD graphics (ugh, but it still works...).
I tried both the Mycloud and the Splashtop HD apps--both exhibit lag. I'd like to think this is a network issue, but I can't fathom what/where could use tweaking to make it better. :/
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maybe set QoS in the router you're using?

When I use Splashtop HD on the same WiFi network as my computer - it runs super smooth but if I use it with different networks, it's almost not usable... lags bad!

aussiebum said:
maybe set QoS in the router you're using?
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Do you have any suggestions as to what QoS settings to edit/change?
I'm wondering if I should even bother connecting a computer via ethernet to the router and see if that helps, though from what others are saying, it should work fine on just wifi.

It should work fine on wifi, but I would personally just wire it up.
To test your wifi connection on your pc, open up a command window and type "ping -t [ip of your gateway]". In my case, my router's ip is 192.168.1.1 so I would type "ping -t 192.168.1.1"
This command will ping your router indefinitely. Observe the "time=" section of the output. If you have a solid connection to your router, that number shouldn't deviate very much and it should also be relatively low (<20ms). If you see that it jumps wildly between 5-2000ms, then the problem is your connection to the router and that will surely cause lag.

Spd2Last said:
It should work fine on wifi, but I would personally just wire it up.
To test your wifi connection on your pc, open up a command window and type "ping -t [ip of your gateway]". In my case, my router's ip is 192.168.1.1 so I would type "ping -t 192.168.1.1"
This command will ping your router indefinitely. Observe the "time=" section of the output. If you have a solid connection to your router, that number shouldn't deviate very much and it should also be relatively low (<20ms). If you see that it jumps wildly between 5-2000ms, then the problem is your connection to the router and that will surely cause lag.
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I didn't ping to my router recently, but latency to various sites--gaming or speedtest--have always been very low, near the teens of ms. So I would be surprised if the ping between my computer and router would be high. I'll check this evening when I'm back home.
I'll also try it with my PC wired. Perhaps it is a wireless issue. Guess I should also make sure packets aren't being dropped, but again, I don't notice anything that would indicate this is happening (outside of the poor splashtop experience).
Thanks again!

The continuous test will show more. When you ping a single website 4 times, you really haven't taxed the connection. Doing it continuously will load it up and see if there is any breakdown. I'm having a similar issue with Pocket Cloud, so i don't believe its the apps causing it.

kampfwolf09 said:
The continuous test will show more. When you ping a single website 4 times, you really haven't taxed the connection. Doing it continuously will load it up and see if there is any breakdown. I'm having a similar issue with Pocket Cloud, so i don't believe its the apps causing it.
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Ah, thanks. I'll give it a shot this evening and see how it responds.

Spd2Last said:
To test your wifi connection on your pc, open up a command window and type "ping -t [ip of your gateway]". In my case, my router's ip is 192.168.1.1 so I would type "ping -t 192.168.1.1"
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Better still, use "ping -t -l 1472 [ip of your gateway]". The default on Windows is, if I recall, to use 32-byte packets, which are not going to tax your router at ~one second intervals. That command increases the packet size to 1472 bytes, which is the maximum packet size that will pass without fragmentation on non-PPPoE, non-VPN connections.
If you see no issues with 1472 byte packets, you can try a network stress test with netio:
http://www.ars.de/ars/ars.nsf/docs/netio
Download, unzip on two machines on your network (ideally, one using wifi since that's what your Transformer is using, and placed in the same location you're using the tablet), then run the client on one end, and the server on the other end. Compiled executables are in the bin folder of the download, for windows you want the win32-i386 executable, and if you run it from a command shell without any options, it'll give you instructions.
You could also just increase the ping packet size (IIRC the max is 65,535 bytes), but many routers will block pings over a certain size, so I'd recommend netio instead.
/former network engineer

I have the client installed on an i7 2600k with 8GB of RAM... still lags like crazy, so it's not the computer specs.
I would guess the buttery smooth reports are from the people using Splashtop on iOS devices. It wouldn't be the first time that the iPad is buttery smooth and us Android folks are hung out to dry with ugly, poorly optimized apps.
I want to know if the enabling dual-core setting even does anything. I don't notice any changes whatsoever with it on or off, looks just for show.

Shawn_230 said:
I have the client installed on an i7 2600k with 8GB of RAM... still lags like crazy, so it's not the computer specs.
I would guess the buttery smooth reports are from the people using Splashtop on iOS devices. It wouldn't be the first time that the iPad is buttery smooth and us Android folks are hung out to dry with ugly, poorly optimized apps.
I want to know if the enabling dual-core setting even does anything. I don't notice any changes whatsoever with it on or off, looks just for show.
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I don't see how or why you would come up with that guess. Most everybody here has an Android device. All of the reviews for the Splashtop app on the Android market are from Android users. Yes, there's a Spashtop app for iOS, but nobody here has mentioned anything about using Splashtop on iOS.
I bought Splashtop HD for my transformer after having used the built-in app. The built-in app worked fine (as in smooth), the HD app works even better because of the added features. The three computers I'm streaming from are my desktop (Win7) and 2 laptops (Win7 and XP), and they work great except XP that has no sound.
Desktop:
Core 2 Quad (Q6600) @ 3.0GHz
4GB DDR2-800
nVidia GTX 460
Laptops:
Core 2 Duo @ 1.83GHz
2GB of RAM (forgot what speed)
nVidia Go7200 and the other is ATI 1400 or something like that
Have you diagnosed your connection to the network to identify what's causing the lag?

I'm not an Apple fanboy, fact of the matter is most apps are smoother in the iOS iteration. That's how I came up with that guess, and it was just a guess.

Shawn_230 said:
I'm not an Apple fanboy, fact of the matter is most apps are smoother in the iOS iteration. That's how I came up with that guess, and it was just a guess.
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I didn't accuse you of being one, lol. I was just wondering why you made that comment since nobody had mentioned anything about iOS. Though I will agree with your comment that I quoted. I've been using jailbroken iOS devices for about 3 years and just got a transformer a few weeks ago.

Spd2Last said:
I don't see how or why you would come up with that guess. Most everybody here has an Android device. All of the reviews for the Splashtop app on the Android market are from Android users. Yes, there's a Spashtop app for iOS, but nobody here has mentioned anything about using Splashtop on iOS.
I bought Splashtop HD for my transformer after having used the built-in app. The built-in app worked fine (as in smooth), the HD app works even better because of the added features. The three computers I'm streaming from are my desktop (Win7) and 2 laptops (Win7 and XP), and they work great except XP that has no sound.
Desktop:
Core 2 Quad (Q6600) @ 3.0GHz
4GB DDR2-800
nVidia GTX 460
Laptops:
Core 2 Duo @ 1.83GHz
2GB of RAM (forgot what speed)
nVidia Go7200 and the other is ATI 1400 or something like that
Have you diagnosed your connection to the network to identify what's causing the lag?
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I don't think they were implying that the "buttery smooth" reports were from people on this site--I think they were inferring that from my original post where I spoke of buttery smooth reports in a ubiquitous way--not necessarily people on this site, which could have been from iOS users (I honestly didn't pay attention before).
I'm going to look over the network this evening, and will try a hard-wired computer (the last computer I have yet to try is my laptop).

Well personally I have never read any reports of Splashtop being buttery smooth on an Android device, so I assumed they were talking about the iOS version... indeed, some of those people specifically mentioned being on the iPad.
Anyway, I played around with it a bit more and it's kind of hit or miss. Standard definition video is pretty okay though not perfect, but even 720p HD videos are choppy.
I do admit that for just controlling a PC Splashtop is pretty amazing, the animation in Windows 7 give it a bit of difficulty and lag but overall it's not too bad compared to say, RDC which lags quite a bit just typing into a browser for instance.

Shawn_230 said:
I would guess the buttery smooth reports are from the people using Splashtop on iOS devices. It wouldn't be the first time that the iPad is buttery smooth and us Android folks are hung out to dry with ugly, poorly optimized apps.
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Definitely not the case. It's staggeringly smooth for me -- there's even barely any lag when I move the mouse attached to the PC but watch the tablet instead. Full-screen HD video is extremely watchable. My only issue with the video quality is that there's sometimes visible macroblocking, especially in low-detail, low-luminance areas of the picture. I can easily put up with that for the convenience of being able to stream high-def movies to my tab, though.

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Definitely not the case. It's staggeringly smooth for me -- there's even barely any lag when I move the mouse attached to the PC but watch the tablet instead. Full-screen HD video is extremely watchable. My only issue with the video quality is that there's sometimes visible macroblocking, especially in low-detail, low-luminance areas of the picture. I can easily put up with that for the convenience of being able to stream high-def movies to my tab, though.
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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.
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Alrighty then.

Using Remote Desktop for Wii/N64/GC Emulation

I've been trying for months to get this setup to run smoothly (I prolly put too much money into it anyway lol), hopefully somebody here can help me out.
I am trying to stream from my home PC Wii Dolphin Emulator, using Splashtop remote as the streamer. When this is done locally its of course smooth,it still has that millisecond delay in between the pc and tablet but you can only notice it if your looking at the pc monitor, so that shouldn't matter.
PC side
Latest Splashtop Streamer 1.5.5.4, on Windows 7 Ultimate
4GB DDR2 Ram, ATI 5570 1GB Ram Video Card, Phenom Black X4 965 3.8ghz
So I know its good enough to do heavy emulation with no problem
100MBps down and 5MBps upload with 10ms ping time
Tablet side:
TF101 with dock and wireless Xbox 360 controller
Revolver 3.2, stock 3.2 kernel
Running latest Splashtop HD app, and built in rebranded ASUS splashtop app.
Tethered to CM7 HTC EVO: 6MBps down and 1.07 up 122ms ping time
And work network gives 5.47Mbps down and .65 up 27ms ping time
(both give about the same results)
I have done everything I can think of, port forwarding,dmz mode, removed router all together, killed every program that didn't have to run, disabled antivirus.
But something tells me I'm missing something obvious. If I can get this running smoothly I'll make a video of how to set it up over the net, so more people can start doing it.
Some guy made a video yesterday, but I'm pretty sure it was local seeing as how he didn't even have the 360 controller connected to his tablet, he must have been in the same room as his pc, kinda defeating the purpose.
Anyways, I would love to hear any suggestions on how I can improve the streaming. Different client/app, different OS, anything.

The problem is not due to any configuration issues in your setup. The problem is that you're trying to pipe sound, video, input, and output through wifi. You're never going to get a smooth experience as if you were playing locally on the tablet because, on top of the latency of wifi, there is a ton of added overhead from Splashtop having to encode four different data streams down into one, and then having to decode it again once it gets to your tablet.
Not even big name business applications from Citrix and VMware offer the ability to reliably stream games over a network. The best performance ever achieved through a streaming solution for high-end gaming is OnLive, where they have massive data centers dedicated to the task, and even on Verizon FiOS you'll average around 150ms+ for latency. Smooth gameplay on Splashtop is not going to happen over wifi, or even direct connect.

... well thats not cool. What if i were to have everything wired? Would that help any? And use an ethernet cable for the tablet? Or is that what you meant by direct connected?maybe faster network cards or routers?

ThaDSman said:
... well thats not cool. What if i were to have everything wired? Would that help any? And use an ethernet cable for the tablet? Or is that what you meant by direct connected?maybe faster network cards or routers?
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When I say direct connect, I mean ethernet cables. To put it simply, there simply does not exist a cheap solution for playing games remotely between two computers, especially when you consider the amount of bandwidth required to drive the input and output locally on a PC. For just the monitor alone, DVI has a base signal bandwidth of 3.96 Gbit/s, which is essentially four times as fast as standard Category 5e cables. Furthermore, the Transformer will only support a maximum of 100 Mbit/s through USB to ethernet adapters, so you can only operate at about 2.5% of the signal bandwidth required for just the monitor of a gaming machine.
To achieve a smooth 60fps remotely between two computers, you need at least a 10 Gbit connection, which is currently only available for servers. Even then, a 10 Gbit PCI card costs at least $400, and a 10-foot cable to match will run about $100. It's just not feasible on the Transformer.

Thanks for the explanation, I've wasted months trying to get this going, its nice to know why it didn't work too well.

Why don't you start small. Start with no audio or inputs on the transformer side. Pair the controller to the PC directly with sound disabled. Just stream the graphics. Lower the resolution (if you can) and try to pipe it over.
You said you were doing Ad-Hoc Wireless? Ad-Hoc has a shorter range vs a Router. Plus various Wireless Signals (B,G,N) have different speeds at different distances. B has 11mpbs if you are within range. G and N will give you faster speeds the closer you are away, but will also trickle down to nothing. B also has a farther range. So B is my personal choice. Better Range and solid 11mbps.
Try using a router and setting it for 102.11b. Pick a good unused channel (no interference). Select a low resolution and only stream the Video. Also try lowering your colors down to 16-bit (not 16 colors) or 256-colors.
The goal is to get get a good solid base where streaming video is flawless. Then slowly add in stuff.

my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
5 years ago I made a video called wii on psp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/17/kid-takes-psp-and-makes-it-play-wii/
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10012
1.5 years ago I made this video:
wii on ipod touch:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/modder-transmits-wii-games-to-ipod-touch-which-isnt-really-as/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjqt6UcVfk
9 months ago I made this video:
playing wii on psp:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/lag-free-wii-on-psp-episode-ii-mario-kart-strikes-back/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1b1iNgl8M
and now this video
wii on android:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/play-wii-games-on-your-android-tablet-via-network-streaming-vid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lqHN_lsQk
I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks

player911 said:
Why don't you start small. Start with no audio or inputs on the transformer side. Pair the controller to the PC directly with sound disabled. Just stream the graphics. Lower the resolution (if you can) and try to pipe it over.
You said you were doing Ad-Hoc Wireless? Ad-Hoc has a shorter range vs a Router. Plus various Wireless Signals (B,G,N) have different speeds at different distances. B has 11mpbs if you are within range. G and N will give you faster speeds the closer you are away, but will also trickle down to nothing. B also has a farther range. So B is my personal choice. Better Range and solid 11mbps.
Try using a router and setting it for 102.11b. Pick a good unused channel (no interference). Select a low resolution and only stream the Video. Also try lowering your colors down to 16-bit (not 16 colors) or 256-colors.
The goal is to get get a good solid base where streaming video is flawless. Then slowly add in stuff.
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Well, what I'm trying to do is not locally, it works smoothly locally. I'm trying to get it to work over the internet. I want to get it to run from where I am as long as I have a decent connection. So I already took my router out the picture, I plugged it directly to the modem, So I'm streaming like that now. And for my EVO I'm tethering to and my other test Access points, Im using Infrastructure modes not Ad-hoc.
And like you said Im going to start trying 1024*768 now to see if its smoother and im decreasing my colors from 32bit to 16bit.
but how do you disable audio?
obiwan22 said:
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
5 years ago I made a video called wii on psp
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/17/kid-takes-psp-and-makes-it-play-wii/
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/10012
1.5 years ago I made this video:
wii on ipod touch:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/26/modder-transmits-wii-games-to-ipod-touch-which-isnt-really-as/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjqt6UcVfk
9 months ago I made this video:
playing wii on psp:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/lag-free-wii-on-psp-episode-ii-mario-kart-strikes-back/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q1b1iNgl8M
and now this video
wii on android:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/19/play-wii-games-on-your-android-tablet-via-network-streaming-vid/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3lqHN_lsQk
I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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My bad, I didn't mean to make it sound like I was dissing you, I know who you are, and that you did all those PSP videos years ago, it was the reason I bought a PSP and got into its homebrew scene, (I also tried contacting the developer who wrote the homebrew program you used to do a port to android or Windows Mobile before we got splashtop, but got no reply)
What did you use to load up the 360 receiver drivers on the transformer usb/bt joy?
And what rom and kernel combo are you using on the TF?
Getting it lag free would be awesome, even if we have to lower the quality considerably.
But understand I'm trying to get this to work over the internet, not locally or connected to the same network the pc is on. I want to be able to be at work or a friends house and still have this work.

It should be noted, too, that in addition to having massive data centers with ridiculously fast connections, OnLive has its own unique, high compression algorithm for encoding the data streams to allow for a better framerate over comparably slower home internet connections. Splashtop's compression, by comparison, is fairly minimal because it instead assumes that the client and server computers are connected to the same local network, and compensates for poor connection quality by buffering the data stream before outputting it. Obviously Splashtop's solution works beautifully for video because a 1 second delay has no effect on whether a video will play properly, but it's unacceptable for gaming.
Perhaps a better solution would be to make a request to the Splashtop developers, asking for a specialized gaming mode which compresses the stream to sacrifice some of the video quality for an improved response time. Aside from that, you could always just sign up for OnLive.

Ya, Onlive is pretty fresh, but the problem is there's no way to play it on android because all they have right now is a viewer for IOS and Android (whatever happened to that running in any browser idea?). Unless we use Splashtop or CrazyRemote Pro. Hopefully it'll be fast enough to do this too.
BTW I went and bought CrazyRemote Pro that $20 app (my pockets hurt) and it looks like it gives a smoother experience its considerably better than Splashtop, It lets you choose fps priority or a work mode were the video is sharper.
Maybe somebody else can try it out and see what kind of results they get?

Yea I can't see this happening over the internet. Most public wireless networks are designed to stop this sort of bandwidth hogging.
As long as you can stream it from the PC to the tablet reliably, I'd say this is a Win.

Wow.
obiwan22 said:
my friend, I have been doing this for many years now
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I know everything you need to know and more to get a proper setup going on. I think alot of it has to do with wifi speed, however it is not the case most times. For example, my wii on psp video(9months ago),the lag was far less than the android and the ipod touch.
AND FYI, my xbox controller was connected to my transformer through the wireless dongle(not shown in video) and I mapped the controls to the emulator on my computer.
If you really wanted to, we could do a combined effort to get this lag free, however I think it is justified to say that I've been doing an great job to get it working better, year after year.
Thanks
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That's great. What software are you using for this? I have been thinking about writing an application for this. Windows to Windows (to keep it simple), 60 fps, FullHD, 32 bit colour, 1Gbps Ethernet.
Is this possible? The bandwidth required is about 4.4Gbps for uncompressed video, but is it not possible to use frame by frame lossless compression to reduce size by a mere factor of 5-8? If not, can I not use real time encoding using some relatively light codec? If all else fails, colour depth could also be reduced. Worst case, 30fps? C'mon that can't be hard.
Why does a high performance remote desktop not exist already?
Excitedly awaiting your response

Shield like streaming except to PC?

I've had such a positive experience with shield streaming even remotely it has renewed my interest in streaming to multiple platforms.
Has any software come out to low latency stream one PC to another PC? I'd love to be able to use relatively cheap laptops which have massive battery life and use my home computer to do all the computing like with the shield.
Anyone have any experience with trying this?

HobsonA said:
I've had such a positive experience with shield streaming even remotely it has renewed my interest in streaming to multiple platforms.
Has any software come out to low latency stream one PC to another PC? I'd love to be able to use relatively cheap laptops which have massive battery life and use my home computer to do all the computing like with the shield.
Anyone have any experience with trying this?
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The best you're probably going to get is using Splashtop. I've used it to play games that were on my desktop, but had problems with a couple occasionally.

Limelight
These guys have worked on porting the the protocol and tech that the shield uses (Gamestream) to other android devices: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2505510
They are currently working on porting it to PC. There is a pre-alpha build of the program in the thread but you should note that the program is in its very early stages.

YOU ARE IN LUCK! Check out kainy.com

Splashtop 2 is the best I've used, well worth the sub, especially if you own multiple machines.
One thing i have noticed since I started using the shield is that splash-top now streams games just fine to any of my devices in true full screen, it used to tell me full screen was incompatible with splash top but ever since i started streaming with the shield it works just fine. It must be something related to the shield/geforce experience streaming software that tricks the slashtop into working in fullscreen.
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very interesting, giving this a try now.

Hm if I want to use splashtop I'll have to re-setup vpn again so I don't have to pay that remote cost. I wonder if someone ever wrote a program like the shield proxy to forward just the stuff used by splashtop to my PC to avoid slow VPN.
Let me know how that kainy.com works out seems a bit sketchy to me lol

HobsonA said:
Hm if I want to use splashtop I'll have to re-setup vpn again so I don't have to pay that remote cost. I wonder if someone ever wrote a program like the shield proxy to forward just the stuff used by splashtop to my PC to avoid slow VPN.
Let me know how that kainy.com works out seems a bit sketchy to me lol
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You can also use Limelight for remote streaming. It works with Shield Proxy just the same as the real streaming software on the Shield itself. Just run the Windows binary on the machine that you'll be streaming from, setup the port forwarding, and you're set. Whenever you connect remotely, specify the external IP address of your router.

cgutman said:
You can also use Limelight for remote streaming. It works with Shield Proxy just the same as the real streaming software on the Shield itself. Just run the Windows binary on the machine that you'll be streaming from, setup the port forwarding, and you're set. Whenever you connect remotely, specify the external IP address of your router.
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Well my shield works fine what I'm trying to do now is do shield quality streaming to another PC. I have this very powerful desktop and a bunch of fairly weak laptops would love to stream to a laptop to use my desktop quality gaming anywhere for those games which need a keyboard and mouse and cant do on shield.

HobsonA said:
Well my shield works fine what I'm trying to do now is do shield quality streaming to another PC. I have this very powerful desktop and a bunch of fairly weak laptops would love to stream to a laptop to use my desktop quality gaming anywhere for those games which need a keyboard and mouse and cant do on shield.
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Yep, there's a PC port of Limelight that uses the same technology as the Shield. There's more info in the Limelight thread.
https://github.com/limelight-stream/limelight-pc/releases

cgutman said:
Yep, there's a PC port of Limelight that uses the same technology as the Shield. There's more info in the Limelight thread.
https://github.com/limelight-stream/limelight-pc/releases
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Well that's worth a look it seems people have got streaming to work to their Rasberry Pi and here i was worried about using a very low powered high battery life laptop.

[Q] How to mirror my PC screen to my Nexus 5?

Hi Everyone,
Most people are asking how to mirror their phone's screen to a TV or PC monitor. Well I need to do the opposite. Does anyone know how I can mirror my PC screen to my Nexus 5? I am looking for the option with the least lag, even if it is via USB and not wireless.
Thanks in advance!

I would say your best bet would be to use Chrome Remote Desktop. Download the app on your phone, and download the chrome extension on your PC.

PsychDrummer said:
I would say your best bet would be to use Chrome Remote Desktop. Download the app on your phone, and download the chrome extension on your PC.
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Thanks. I will try that. Do you know if it is laggy?
Actually I don't need to be able to work with my desktop through my phone. All I need is to see what is displayed on my PC with the least lag possible.

StarSquall said:
Thanks. I will try that. Do you know if it is laggy?
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It has worked the best for me out of all the similar apps (i.e teamviewer). However, it depends on what you need it for. For example, if you want to mirror videos it might not work well.

You can try splashtop, it usually is pretty smooth https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.splashtop.remote.pad.v2&hl=en
or even microsoft's own remote desktop app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.microsoft.rdc.android

You can try splashtop, it usually is pretty smooth
or even microsoft's own remote desktop app
Thanks a lot, splashtop works reasonably well. I have an AMD video card, so I suppose that helps a bit.
I do not need the desktop controls, etc. I need so to say, just use my phone as a monitor, so if I can find something with even better quality and sacrificing those controls it would be even better

StarSquall said:
You can try splashtop, it usually is pretty smooth
or even microsoft's own remote desktop app
Thanks a lot, splashtop works reasonably well. I have an AMD video card, so I suppose that helps a bit.
I do not need the desktop controls, etc. I need so to say, just use my phone as a monitor, so if I can find something with even better quality and sacrificing those controls it would be even better
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The quality will all be down to the network on both ends.
So the download speed of your phone and the upload speed of your home internet. If these are weak you will always experience problems.
Apps like teamviewer help as they connect to a middle man server which means you are less likely to see as big a delay than connecting directly where the connection as I said above is more dependant.
Not used splashtop personally. Microsoft's RDP is alright but I'm happy with Teamviewer i use it on all my pc's i work on. Having it on my mobile just means I can work from anywhere remotely.

brichardson1991 said:
The quality will all be down to the network on both ends.
So the download speed of your phone and the upload speed of your home internet. If these are weak you will always experience problems.
Apps like teamviewer help as they connect to a middle man server which means you are less likely to see as big a delay than connecting directly where the connection as I said above is more dependant.
Not used splashtop personally. Microsoft's RDP is alright but I'm happy with Teamviewer i use it on all my pc's i work on. Having it on my mobile just means I can work from anywhere remotely.
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Ok. So I was wandering if there is a way to do that via USB in order to avoid the internet issues, of course only if it can get better. I am not sure exactly what bandwidth is needed to stream my 1080p screen and if it can be done smoothly via micro USB.
Other than that I have an acceptable amount of lag with splashtop, yet it crashes if I go full screen on my PC for some programs (I tried a few games too). But running in windowed mode works fine.

[CLOSED] Getting Rid of Cable TV

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I am looking to ditch my cable TV. I don't want to pay the monthly $90+ for a lousy selection of channels, most of which we either don't watch or that we can stream live online. I watch a lot of pro sports and I am able to stream them from various websites free.
Can anyone suggest how to best set up our 3 household TVs - and with what equipment so that I can make the transition to getting rid of our cable a reality? Currently we simply use HDMI lines to connect a laptop or phone to a TV to stream whatever we want on a big screen. Would it be best to designate 1 device for each TV in order to stream whatever we wish to stream? Would it be best to buy an Amazon fire stick or cube? Or what about a Roku? Apple TV or Google Chromecast?
No idea how to best sort this out. I do know that there are some very inexpensive Internet cable option available these days. For example: XXX
Please advise if you can to assist with this transition. THANKS!

I'd say get an Android TV device like Chromecast with Google TV or those Onn Tv boxes from Walmart for each TV. Since they're just android at the core (fire tv is also but they don't have gapps) you can do a lot more with them and you usually get the extra Chromecast functionality. If you have OTA TV channels nearby, you can get a USB TV tuner and hook it up to a computer or raspberry pi with Plex installed and it'll let you access and record shows from any device with Plex. You'll need to get Plex pass but it's not too expensive. (Not an ad for Plex I just use and like it a lot)

arncap said:
I am looking to ditch my cable TV. I don't want to pay the monthly $90+ for a lousy selection of channels, most of which we either don't watch or that we can stream live online. I watch a lot of pro sports and I am able to stream them from various websites free.
Can anyone suggest how to best set up our 3 household TVs - and with what equipment so that I can make the transition to getting rid of our cable a reality? Currently we simply use HDMI lines to connect a laptop or phone to a TV to stream whatever we want on a big screen. Would it be best to designate 1 device for each TV in order to stream whatever we wish to stream? Would it be best to buy an Amazon fire stick or cube? Or what about a Roku? Apple TV or Google Chromecast?
No idea how to best sort this out. I do know that there are some very inexpensive Internet cable option available these days. For example: https://rivertv.ca/
Please advise if you can to assist with this transition. THANKS!
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I haven't had cable since I lived at home with my parents. I use Netflix, Disney+, and Hulu (through Spotify). I also use the below mentioned setup.
My setup (which I don't condone unless you're a scumbag) is a Raspberry Pi running a Plex server in Docker, connected to an external 8TB HDD. I then have a Nvidia Shield connected to my living room TV and use this to stream all the media I have downloaded on my Plex server. The cool thing about Plex is that you can also connect to your server with phones, tablets, laptops, Firesticks, Rokus, etc. You can also connect to it remotely; I can stream my home server to my work laptop and watch all the Media. With Plex you can also share your "Library" with friends/family. You can create an account for them and give them access.

I don't use Cable TV any more complete on Online streaming for all of my devices.

There is always the Tivimate app on CCwGTV, combined with a (preferably legal) lPTV provider of your choice.
(I normally don't condone piracy, but if you are a person in the world with very limited income, and TV is one of the few things that gives you happiness in tough times of your life, for example, I'd understand why one would do it when the global wealth has been redistributed to the wealthy 1% of the 1%...)
Good luck finding a solution that works out for you.

I only use internet to watch the TV and never used the cable

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arncap said:
I am looking to ditch my cable TV. I don't want to pay the monthly $90+ for a lousy selection of channels, most of which we either don't watch or that we can stream live online. I watch a lot of pro sports and I am able to stream them from various websites free.
Can anyone suggest how to best set up our 3 household TVs - and with what equipment so that I can make the transition to getting rid of our cable a reality? Currently we simply use HDMI lines to connect a laptop or phone to a TV to stream whatever we want on a big screen. Would it be best to designate 1 device for each TV in order to stream whatever we wish to stream? Would it be best to buy an Amazon fire stick or cube? Or what about a Roku? Apple TV or Google Chromecast?
No idea how to best sort this out. I do know that there are some very inexpensive Internet cable option available these days. For example: https://rivertv.ca/
Please advise if you can to assist with this transition. THANKS!
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Have a look at an Android streaming box or as you said a Firestick 4k Max.
Install Kodi and visit https://www.matthuisman.nz/
Matt Huisman is a legend for what he brings the IPTV community. All my TV is via the internet and I couldn't function without Matt's awesome work.
A good place to start anyway.

I'd start with a Chromecast w/Google TV or a NV Shield. If you have a smart TV, it may be OK on its own (my Sony 900e is getting pretty slow compared to an external Chromecast). Easiest solution is YouTubeTV, but the price per month keeps going up. I dropped it when it went above $50/month. I have Prime, Netflix, Peacock, etc

tehdomic said:
There is always the Tivimate app on CCwGTV, combined with a (preferably legal) lPTV provider of your choice.
(I normally don't condone piracy, but if you are a person in the world with very limited income, and TV is one of the few things that gives you happiness in tough times of your life, for example, I'd understand why one would do it when the global wealth has been redistributed to the wealthy 1% of the 1%...)
Good luck finding a solution that works out for you.
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My suggestion as well, however streaming from most iptv providers ISNT legal period. They stream illegally to paying people. Buying Tv from the source such as Comcast or Spectrum etc is the only truely legal way of doing so.