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[DISCUSSION] [OPINION] Samsung should've made the S8 phones in 16:9 screen ratio

After using several onscreen navbutton phones in the past and having this S8 for 5 days now, I see almost no reason as to why the 18.5:9 screen aspect ratio decision was made.
It would still have a big screen, probably close to the S7 Edge size.
The only thing I can think of is that Samsung is used to creating apps for 16:9 ratio screens because previous phones had physical navbuttons. Maybe they didn't want to have to mess with that and just put the navbuttons on the screen and increased the length to accommodate the extra buttons taking up space on the button; still allowing them to make 16:9 native apps. I just don't like it. It makes for an awkward Android experience, especially with unsupported apps.

I disagree. Based on the number of pre-orders alone for this phone, it will soon become one of the most popular android phones in use. As use increases, more companies will fit their formatting to the unusual aspect ratio. The fact that the G6 also has this aspect ratio (and yes, I know it's not exactly the same, but close enough) means that there will be more impetus for developers to accommodate the screen. I think this is a big step forward in the mobile phone industry, it just needs to take some time for the rest of the industry to catch up.

marinebio94 said:
I disagree. Based on the number of pre-orders alone for this phone, it will soon become one of the most popular android phones in use. As use increases, more companies will fit their formatting to the unusual aspect ratio. The fact that the G6 also has this aspect ratio (and yes, I know it's not exactly the same, but close enough) means that there will be more impetus for developers to accommodate the screen. I think this is a big step forward in the mobile phone industry, it just needs to take some time for the rest of the industry to catch up.
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The preorders aren't an indication of the abnormal height of the phone, but the infinity screen itself. They could've kept it infinity just the same with 16:9.
Why do you think this is a big step forward? What purpose does the super tall phone serve in your opinion?
Hoping we can have a good discussion.

Disagree. This should be the standard much more comfortable than s7 edge. Not because of the edges but becaus3 of the slim side ratio. Would not buy another 16:9 phone ever again

I really don't know why people are *****ing about the aspect ratio. With modern Android you don't notice this at all because the developers know how to deal with constaints of interface elements. Now you can see one google news more. You have more space above the keyboard. List views have one more entry. Whats the problem with that? Maybe there are apps that are incompatible but I have yet to see one.

To be honest I've not encountered any issues worth talking about, related to elongated screen. If there is software that can take advantage of extra screen (and there will be more coming soon), great, if not there are bars on the screen just like if I had larger bezel (or like watching 4:3 program on my HDTV). Actually I have hard time telling where the screen ends and bezel starts. I was expecting to miss physical home button, but since it is now permanent part of the screen and it is still there, except invisible, it doesn't bother me at all. And benefits of longer screen are great: finally we can have 2 programs display properly on the screen at the same time, typing is much easier, with more text displayed, web pages show more, with less scrolling, most cinema movies are shot at 1.85:1, some are as wide 2.39:1 etc.

In my opinion.. the only issue with the weird aspect ratio is that it fools some people into thinking their screens are so much bigger than it actually is. The S8 for example has only 2% more screen area than a 16:9 5.5" screen while the S8+ has 17% more screen area. The regular S8 screen is also narrower than screen on iphone 7 plus.
If you are going from a 5.5" 16:9 ratio phone like the iphone 7plus.. the regular S8 WILL feel like a smaller screen in comparison.

eduardmc said:
Disagree. This should be the standard much more comfortable than s7 edge. Not because of the edges but becaus3 of the slim side ratio. Would not buy another 16:9 phone ever again
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You can keep the exact same slim side ratio and reduce the height of the S8 to get roughly the same size screen as the S7 Edge in a much smaller body. Not sure where you were going with that.

I'm actually quite happy with the screen.
the extra wide/tall screen helps create better immersion in 3D games, improves field of vision in VR, and compensates for the screenspace now lost to the onscreen buttons(or in my case, my physical keyboard)
the slimmer design also makes the phone more comfortable to hold, the S8 has the perfect width for me.

pete4k said:
To be honest I've not encountered any issues worth talking about, related to elongated screen. If there is software that can take advantage of extra screen (and there will be more coming soon), great, if not there are bars on the screen just like if I had larger bezel (or like watching 4:3 program on my HDTV). Actually I have hard time telling where the screen ends and bezel starts. I was expecting to miss physical home button, but since it is now permanent part of the screen and it is still there, except invisible, it doesn't bother me at all. And benefits of longer screen are great: finally we can have 2 programs display properly on the screen at the same time, typing is much easier, with more text displayed, web pages show more, with less scrolling, most cinema movies are shot at 1.85:1, some are as wide 2.39:1 etc.
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You made a few good points:
1. Multi-window works better
2. Bit more room to type
3. More webpage for scrolling less
While those are good, if I was given a decision I'd still take a shorter phone. I personally prioritize the size of the phone over many other things.
If this phone was released as 16:9 with a 5.5" screen (same as S7 Edge), it would be slightly larger than an iPhone 6/7. Which is insane because their screens are only 4.7". To me the iPhone is the perfect one-handed size phone with every other hardware being not so great.
The S7 was a 5.1" phone and the natural progression could've been to a 5.5" 16:9 phone in a smaller body than the S7 with the same size screen as S7E. I really think they went with 18.5:9 because of the apps. I bet you this screen would be 16:9 if you chopped off the navbar softkeys. Could be wrong though.
I'm really just nitpicking

I've actually enjoyed the taller screen. I went with the plus and am still able to function just as I was able to on the s7e. It gives you an option to expand apps that aren't already expanded to take full advantage of the screen, and watching video with bars on the side isn't a big deal to me, because as was said above that would be the bezels on an older s model phone and I prefer(love) the look of this one. An iphone may have the perfect ratio, but the resolution doesn't compare to these screens and that's what I'm looking for more than the ratio, just my opinion of course. That bixby button on the other hand...

Didn't like S7 Edge at all.

I have used LG G3 for 2 years then after 1 week of Lg G4 usage found out its battery is thrash ordered myself a 2017 barcoded Samsung G935F.
7.0 Nougat update completed.
Pros:
Good battery endurance.
Does not overheat easily.
Thin and light.
Cons:
Impossible to type while laying in bed or armchair bcs there is no palmguard so you keep pressing home or back button during typing.
Camera isnt better than a g3 or g4 as quality wise.
Fingerprint does not work perfectly.
There is no sound volume slider in drop down menu this sucks as hell.
Most apps and websites are not edge screen compatible so you end up sliding page left or right to read.
Does not have hardware for remote controlling.
Flashlight isnt bright enough.
I am open to suggestions as long as they are meaningful.

fatihso said:
I have used LG G3 for 2 years then after 1 week of Lg G4 usage found out its battery is thrash ordered myself a 2017 barcoded Samsung G935F.
7.0 Nougat update completed.
Pros:
Good battery endurance.
Does not overheat easily.
Thin and light.
Cons:
Impossible to type while laying in bed or armchair bcs there is no palmguard so you keep pressing home or back button during typing.
Camera isnt better than a g3 or g4 as quality wise.
Fingerprint does not work perfectly.
There is no sound volume slider in drop down menu this sucks as hell.
Most apps and websites are not edge screen compatible so you end up sliding page left or right to read.
Does not have hardware for remote controlling.
Flashlight isnt bright enough.
I am open to suggestions as long as they are meaningful.
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Sorry but post lost credibility if ur trying to say a g3 or g4 camera is better then the S7..(laughing out loud)..I'm not a huge S7 fan either but the camera is lightyears ahead of a g3/4..
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Palmguard-Good case will greatly help.
I found fingerprint sensor to work well as long as I set it up properly.(follow the instructions letter to letter and do not change the angle during setup)
Sound volume slider is always there for me or did I misunderstood you?? carrier firmware??
Not sure what you mean by not edge compatible. Website and apps work the same way as any flat screen with just a little distortion on the edge but doesn't affect any usability since it's still visible and readable.
Flashlight have 5 level of brightness and level 5 are super bright I start to worry it will burn. Maybe you're on level 1.
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electech13 said:
Sorry but post lost credibility if ur trying to say a g3 or g4 camera is better then the S7..(laughing out loud)..I'm not a huge S7 fan either but the camera is lightyears ahead of a g3/4..
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Thank you. I have recorded (default settings, did not touch anything) my sister and dad next to sofa and with G4 and S7 in a row and then streamed video to UHD TV, both looked same except S7 was zoomed in so I disabled stabilizator in options and streamed again. It was same quality. Lights, colors everything.
NonXtreme said:
Palmguard-Good case will greatly help.
I found fingerprint sensor to work well as long as I set it up properly.(follow the instructions letter to letter and do not change the angle during setup)
Sound volume slider is always there for me or did I misunderstood you?? carrier firmware??
Not sure what you mean by not edge compatible. Website and apps work the same way as any flat screen with just a little distortion on the edge but doesn't affect any usability since it's still visible and readable.
Flashlight have 5 level of brightness and level 5 are super bright I start to worry it will burn. Maybe you're on level 1.
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Thank you for your reply.
Fingerprint reader is too fast to judge I guess, I had to re-apply adding finger process several times to make it working more properly.
When I surf the web, some websites' texts are starting from the very edge screen (left) so I can't read first letters of comments or titles. Not sure how to fix that or those websites need to fix it. This does not happen in apps like Youtube or Facebook, must be optimized already.
Sound slider it is shown when I use hardware sound buttons but I would love to see it also next to brightness slider when I drag down the top menu like in LG. I am not allowed to post an image url yet.
This model isn't customized by any carrier and more like an international unit. Only samsung apps are pre-installed.
I didn't know there was levels for brightness, I will check it out and thank you for that. Hope that level is auto applied also to Flashlight shortcut when I enable it.
My biggest problem is to be able to use phone while laying in bed, holding phone on air and typing, some of my hand have to touch hardware buttons and its not solved yet.
I think I need a case to have more space for holding phone on air and type properly.
Thank you guys for your comments. I have searched the web and did not find much about these worries so I had to make a thread.

you know nothing john snow

@fatihso
Sorry. Respectfully Disagree with you..
I`m using this device for almost one year. I don`t have these isssues (specially regarding camera). I`m happy with this device.

+ for the volume slider in notifications! I have it on my ipad but I have to press a physical button on my phone.

I think he's not wrong on that camera part. Believe me I love this phone and its camera. I had a 6P and Note 4 before. Even though I was sure the S7 captured much better pics, lately when I compared 6P and S7, I found the 6P doing better at post processing with HDR mode. S7 oversharpens images and it looks quite horrible sometimes, specially portraits.
And about the clarity thing, yeah 12 megapixels vs 16 megapixels. It shows when zoomed in. But overall S7 camera is much better than other smartphones (taking in consideration video, low light, pro mode etc).
I think in daylight the G4 may take better pics cos of higher resolution (visible when viewed on a bigger screen). Not sure because haven't used a G4 before.

G4 pro mode doesn't compare with s7 edge...try take a pic at midnight with G4 In pro mode at 30s and one with s7 edge at 10s..see who takes it better...LG?

Obvious troll is obvious.

I have this phone for over one year now,its a great phone,but I would like to make my observation about the camera quality too:
its a great camera for scenes for sure, but for human faces, from a bit distance, will blow them out of proportion due to its large pixels letting in too much light in bright conditions.
And also I miss the volume control from the drop down menu without pressing the hardware keys.
everything else is great and I love it a lot.

I have s7 edge for a year now.
Your cons are funny
1) It is possible, maybe you have small hands, that thing doesnt happens to me.
2) Camera is ok, comparing it to g3 is...idk it's silly.
3) If you set up 4x fingerprints 2x left 2x right, make sure you swipe it in all directions. Mine works much better than on marshmallow, 99% of the time.
4) In dropdown menu, you have ringtone, media, notifications and system tones. Where is a problem there?
5) I am using UC browser, no problems in web surfing.
6) IC port missing, the only one annoying thing for me, cant use it as a remote control sometimes.
7) You have free edge app where you can adjust level of flashlight.
The biggest problem for me is the battery after one year. It's capacity is much smaller, and SOT isn't as good when I bought it.
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OMG troll kiddie
camera not good LOL

I love the phone but I will admit the camera is no where near as good as my g4.
But I do prefer the s7 edge because it doesn't bootloop. Lol.
Only joking . Apart from the camera the s7 edge is better in every way .

NonXtreme said:
Palmguard-Good case will greatly help.
I found fingerprint sensor to work well as long as I set it up properly.(follow the instructions letter to letter and do not change the angle during setup)
Sound volume slider is always there for me or did I misunderstood you?? carrier firmware??
Not sure what you mean by not edge compatible. Website and apps work the same way as any flat screen with just a little distortion on the edge but doesn't affect any usability since it's still visible and readable.
Flashlight have 5 level of brightness and level 5 are super bright I start to worry it will burn. Maybe you're on level 1.
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On the finger print sensor, I set both thumbs and both index fingers with multiple angles so I can unlock the phone without having to line up my fingers every time. Other than wet or dirty fingers I haven't had any issues at all. I'm even going to set my touch screen bike gloves as a finger print so I can unlock it when I ride too.

Thank you for replies guys,
It's been like 5 days and I am getting used to the phone. I still don't have any case or alike.
I still have problem typing while on bed. It's not going to be solved without a case to stop my hand touching bottom of the phone while typing in air. My hands are big.
Camera, it has a good camera but in my 1st post I mentioned I recorded a video and then streamed it to TV and I didn't see any difference so it was based on that. I didn't see its worse or better, it felt the same output.
I still would love a volume slider in drop down menu without pressing hardware button. Helps alot if your phone is on table and during watching videos/playing games, you won't need to hold phone and press volume button. Also double tap to lock/unlock phone. I tried some apps but they felt like draining battery after giving them administrative permissions to monitor system.
Anyway, thanks again for your comments.

You had it for 5 days. Man you aren't allowed to speak anything, please.... Use Nova Launcher, standard launcher is annoying. There you can use double tap to lock the phone. And for using it in bed, you just don't know how to.
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vojopd said:
And for using it in bed, you just don't know how to.
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Maybe he should play with something else than his phone in bed to get some experience.

S7 edge has one for the best camera in any smartphone, G3 G4 aren't even near

gabytzubc said:
G4 pro mode doesn't compare with s7 edge...try take a pic at midnight with G4 In pro mode at 30s and one with s7 edge at 10s..see who takes it better...LG
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The s7 camera is decent but it's clearly optimised for low light with a 1.7 aperture where it is superb.
It's all about compromising and Samsung has probably quite rightly assumed that most folks will snap their sprogs and pets often in less than ideal conditions.
As an enthsiast I have taken some great shots and provided links before but I admit that 12mp on a fixed lens camera may be inadequate if you want to crop or print a little larger. Samsungs own S6 resolves better in good light thanks to 16 mp.
I haven't read up about the S8 camera yet but it uses algorithm to supposedly improve.
That's not enough for me so I see if the Note 8 brings something useful to the table (not just camera wise) to make me upgrade. If not its the next iphone or the S9.
Very happy with the S7 otherwise in every respect.

No real full screen on YouTube with S8 Plus

So when i use the Youtube app the screen is about an inch short on both sides of being full screen.
There is an option to expand the screen its called "crop to fit" but it literally crops the video so you cant see descriptions captions or things at the bottom or the top of the video....missing content like this
Anyone else notice this.
Any suggestions. This is kind of disappointing.
Whats the point of such of big screen if you cant go full screen mode without it cutting out some of the content???????
When i use the stock Samsung browser to go to Youtube in desktop mode. Same thing its not True full screen.
But if I switch the stock samsung browser to mobile view it gives you 3 options. One of the options lets you go true full screen and doesnt crop as much out. But the thing is you cant select or change the video quality/resolution when its in mobile view. That kind of sucks if you want to watch a 720p or 1080p hd vid
This seems kind of like a big deal. I cant be the only one bothered by this.

gn4life84 said:
So when i use the Youtube app the screen is about an inch short on both sides of being full screen.
There is an option to expand the screen its called "crop to fit" but it literally crops the video so you cant see descriptions captions or things at the bottom or the top of the video....missing content like this
Anyone else notice this.
Any suggestions. This is kind of disappointing.
Whats the point of such of big screen if you cant go full screen mode without it cutting out some of the content???????
When i use the stock Samsung browser to go to Youtube in desktop mode. Same thing its not True full screen.
But if I switch the stock samsung browser to mobile view it gives you 3 options. One of the options lets you go true full screen and doesnt crop as much out. But the thing is you cant select or change the video quality/resolution when its in mobile view. That kind of sucks if you want to watch a 720p or 1080p hd vid
This seems kind of like a big deal. I cant be the only one bothered by this.
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There's no good way to scale or crop it. That's what we get because Samsung decided to go with a weird screen aspect ratio instead of making this phone a little wider. I wish it was wide enough to keep the ratio correct.
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dottat said:
There's no good way to scale or crop it. That's what we get because Samsung decided to go with a weird screen aspect ratio instead of making this phone a little wider. I wish it was wide enough to keep the ratio correct.
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Thanks
Wow. If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8. People always get so hype over these new phones that they dont even question basic stuff anymore.
Dont get me wrong its a great phone but this could be a deal breaker.
But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF.
No point in bragging about the sceen size in all the reviews.
Seems like my old Notes actually had a bigger viewing area if you dont like stuff cropped out. What a bummer.

>But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF
What are you talking about??? If the youtube video is 16:9 you can still watch it on a 18.5:9 screen. Same idea as watching a 4:3 video on a 16:9 screen. You aren't missing anything just because there are black bars on the side. Do you want your phone to show video in the sides that never even hit the camera sensor that filmed whatever video you are watching? You want something literally impossible.
>If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8.
Guess what... the Note 8 will have the same problem. Every screen on planet earth has this problem. It's not even a problem, its just how reality works. If the note 8 is a 16:9 screen it wont completely fill up with 4:3 videos. on nooo!!! If you get a 2.4:1 home theater projector screen and try to watch a 16:9 video OMG all that money down the drain!!!! You can't fill your screen!!!
Come on. If you absolutely must watch 16:9 videos on your phone with no black bars then don't buy a phone that is clearly not 16:9.

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Wow. If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8. People always get so hype over these new phones that they dont even question basic stuff anymore.
Dont get me wrong its a great phone but this could be a deal breaker.
But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF.
No point in bragging about the sceen size in all the reviews.
Seems like my old Notes actually had a bigger viewing area if you dont like stuff cropped out. What a bummer.
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You might as well stop buying Samsung flagships then, Samsung will keep using the taller screen ratio in the future too. And it's literally impossible to fill the entire 18.5:9 screen with a 16:9 video without either cropping the video or stretching it. Video is information, and new information cannot be generated like you are asking (how are you going to return back in time, to have the camera capture more image from the sides to fill the screen with? The camera did not capture more from the sides, meaning it's not possible to know what was there, the information is missing, thus making it impossible to fill the screen without stretching or cropping)

It's a none issue. The picture quality is so exceptional I don't care enough to worry about black bars

Moreover, if watching a common 2.4:1 movie (i.e. 21.6:9) on the 2.05:1 S8/+ display (i.e. 18.5:9), one can enjoy an almost full screen image using only a small cropping, without the upper and lower black bars...:good:

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Moreover, if watching a common 2.4:1 movie (i.e. 21.6:9) on the 2.05:1 S8/+ display (i.e. 18.5:9), one can enjoy an almost full screen image using only a small cropping, without the upper and lower black bars...:good:
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The cropping is cutting out informative info at the bottom of the vids I like to watch.
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It's a none issue. The picture quality is so exceptional I don't care enough to worry about black bars
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it is but it was also great on all my old phones. HD youtube can only look so good on screens this size anyways. It does seem better on the 8+ though. I wanted a larger viewing area. Legit question...If size disnt matter why did you go with the 8+ instead of normal 8?
I wish i could get over the black bars like you.
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You might as well stop buying Samsung flagships then, Samsung will keep using the taller screen ratio in the future too. And it's literally impossible to fill the entire 18.5:9 screen with a 16:9 video without either cropping the video or stretching it. Video is information, and new information cannot be generated like you are asking (how are you going to return back in time, to have the camera capture more image from the sides to fill the screen with? The camera did not capture more from the sides, meaning it's not possible to know what was there, the information is missing, thus making it impossible to fill the screen without stretching or cropping)
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I dont mind the Stretch. I prefer the stretch. However stretch view is not an option with the Youtube app. Youtube app is the only way to change the resolution to HD in full screen mode. Thats the whole point to screens like this is to watch HD stuff.
Thanks for the technical info but that is a bit over my head. I still dont really understand that. Its not absurd to buy a $900 device and expect it to play youtube vids full screen in HD.
The cropping is an issue because it literally cuts out some of the info listed at the bottom on the screen that is important to the vids I watch.
Also kind of defeats the whole purpose of an edgeless display and how the phone was advertised.
You think the Note 8 will have the same issue????? You dont think they will make it a tad wider to compensate and make it different from the s8+?

gn4life84 said:
You think the Note 8 will have the same issue????? You dont think they will make it a tad wider to compensate and make it different from the s8+?
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Nope, if they make it wider with the same tiny bezels, it's going to end up looking short and odd. Samsung isn't going back to the 16:9 aspect ratio, it's going to look old-fashioned to people that are used to the taller screen, now that Samsung has branded it as futuristic and great (Infinity display). And it's not an "issue", because it's just a way that screens work, different ratio screens have things cropped out or stretched out if you want to fill the whole screen.

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>But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF
What are you talking about??? If the youtube video is 16:9 you can still watch it on a 18.5:9 screen. Same idea as watching a 4:3 video on a 16:9 screen. You aren't missing anything just because there are black bars on the side. Do you want your phone to show video in the sides that never even hit the camera sensor that filmed whatever video you are watching? You want something literally impossible.
>If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8.
Guess what... the Note 8 will have the same problem. Every screen on planet earth has this problem. It's not even a problem, its just how reality works. If the note 8 is a 16:9 screen it wont completely fill up with 4:3 videos. on nooo!!! If you get a 2.4:1 home theater projector screen and try to watch a 16:9 video OMG all that money down the drain!!!! You can't fill your screen!!!
Come on. If you absolutely must watch 16:9 videos on your phone with no black bars then don't buy a phone that is clearly not 16:9.
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Dont be a jerk... Calm down. Dont take it personally. Its a legit concern and question I have about enjoying my device. FOR MY NEEDS THAT I PAID MY MONEY FOR.
The bottom and top of the content of the vids I watch daily is cut off in crop to fit mode. Youtube app isnt offering stretch mode for some reason.
There is important info that i need to see for the vids i watch ussualy at the bottom or top of the screen.
It is not ridiculous to expect to watch HD vids full screen and not miss content. Are you kidding me??? You sound like a fan boy. Its a valid point.
I really like the phone other wise. But this very well could be a deal breaker for some. If Its not fof you great. You have no idea what I use my phone for or why I spent money on it.
Again you pay for a big HD screen to be able to use it fully.
If im having these issues swith just using youtube im sure all the other sites and online media are going to suffer from this.
I bought the phone for screen size and hd capabilities. Had no idea I would have to choose between the 2 on one device.

galaxyYtester said:
Nope, if they make it wider with the same tiny bezels, it's going to end up looking short and odd. Samsung isn't going back to the 16:9 aspect ratio, it's going to look old-fashioned to people that are used to the taller screen, now that Samsung has branded it as futuristic and great (Infinity display). And it's not an "issue", because it's just a way that screens work, different ratio screens have things cropped out or stretched out if you want to fill the whole screen.
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Things come and go every device. I try not to get caught up in the branding or marketing.
Also I would guess the Note needs to be different size than the S8. Otherwise its just going to be a S8 with a pen and moved fingerprint scanner.
Guess we will see.

gn4life84 said:
Things come and go every device. I try not to get caught up in the branding or marketing.
Also I would guess the Note needs to be different size than the S8. Otherwise its just going to be a S8 with a pen and moved fingerprint scanner.
Guess we will see.
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Note 8 changes will be a 4K screen, fingerprint scanner embedded inside the screen, dual cameras, 6 gigs of RAM and of course an S-Pen. It's a half-year renovation, the general design will barely change, most likely a bit more square than the S8, but generally the same. The screen size will be the same or a tiny bit bigger than the S8+, this time changes are focusing more on specs than the screen size, that is already at the very edges of what is useful in the S8+. The Note 7 screen size increase over the S7 was minimal too. The Note 8 will also get a major software renovation like the Note 7 did, but thanks to XDA we will see that software in our devices most likely even before official release date of the phone, because the processor is the exact same

The annoying thing for me is when the next video plays I have to crop the screen again I don't know if there's a way to keep it full screen until you exit the YouTube app and when you go full screen straight away the ads go full screen but then the video seems to go black bars and you crop it again.

I never understood why people don't like the aspect ratio. The video would be the same size on another phone but there would just be bezels there instead. At least when I'm in other apps I get more real-estate instead of having just big black bars constantly there in the form of bezels

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Note 8 changes will be a 4K screen, fingerprint scanner embedded inside the screen, dual cameras, 6 gigs of RAM and of course an S-Pen. It's a half-year renovation, the general design will barely change, most likely a bit more square than the S8, but generally the same. The screen size will be the same or a tiny bit bigger than the S8+, this time changes are focusing more on specs than the screen size, that is already at the very edges of what is useful in the S8+. The Note 7 screen size increase over the S7 was minimal too. The Note 8 will also get a major software renovation like the Note 7 did, but thanks to XDA we will see that software in our devices most likely even before official release date of the phone, because the processor is the exact same
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Would of waited if I knew that. Wonder the price difference

gn4life84 said:
Would of waited if I knew that. Wonder the price difference
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The Note 8 be about the same price as the S8+ right now, just like last year the Note 7 was about the price of the S7 Edge. And as software is a big selling point of the Note line, I don't feel bad at all getting an S-line device, thanks to XDA
To the average customer, a software refresh may be a big reason to buy a new device, but thanks to XDA, we will get complete software ports of the Note 8 over to the S8 quickly. These ports will also have very few bugs, because the specs are so similar, good example is how a bugless Note 7 ported ROM came to the S7 before the Note 7 actually went on sale
And take in mind that the Note 8 release date will most probably be later in the yearly cycle than last year so that the S8 can get a good run, because the S8 this year came later than S-line phones usually do. I don't find it worth waiting +5 months for those upgrades, when the price will be the same

simonhcai said:
The annoying thing for me is when the next video plays I have to crop the screen again I don't know if there's a way to keep it full screen until you exit the YouTube app and when you go full screen straight away the ads go full screen but then the video seems to go black bars and you crop it again.
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Yeah thats super annoying especially if you're eating watching vids.
Wiseor said:
I never understood why people don't like the aspect ratio. The video would be the same size on another phone but there would just be bezels there instead. At least when I'm in other apps I get more real-estate instead of having just big black bars constantly there in the form of bezels
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I dont know if thats true. Especially if you're coming from a note. I wish I could get my old phone to power on to test this.
I do find the black bars or the white menu bar to be way more distracting than a bezel.

gn4life84 said:
Dont be a jerk... Calm down. Dont take it personally. Its a legit concern and question I have about enjoying my device. FOR MY NEEDS THAT I PAID MY MONEY FOR.
The bottom and top of the content of the vids I watch daily is cut off in crop to fit mode. Youtube app isnt offering stretch mode for some reason.
There is important info that i need to see for the vids i watch ussualy at the bottom or top of the screen.
It is not ridiculous to expect to watch HD vids full screen and not miss content. Are you kidding me??? You sound like a fan boy. Its a valid point.
I really like the phone other wise. But this very well could be a deal breaker for some. If Its not fof you great. You have no idea what I use my phone for or why I spent money on it.
Again you pay for a big HD screen to be able to use it fully.
If im having these issues swith just using youtube im sure all the other sites and online media are going to suffer from this.
I bought the phone for screen size and hd capabilities. Had no idea I would have to choose between the 2 on one device.
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So when you bought it you had no clue about the new aspect ratio?
Sent from my S8 plus, Note 7, S7 Edge or S6

force70 said:
So when you bought it you had no clue about the new aspect ratio?
Sent from my S8 plus, Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
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None.
All I knew was the hype and that blue whale commercial.
Didnt know it was a thing to make sure the phone was manufactured with certain porportions.
Thought being able to use the screen in HD and full screen would be a given.
I have no problem with stretching the screen from the aspect ratio. However that doesnt seem to be an option on most HD content.

gn4life84 said:
None.
All I knew was the hype and that blue whale commercial.
Didnt know it was a thing to make sure the phone was manufactured with certain porportions.
Thought being able to use the screen in HD and full screen would be a given.
I have no problem with stretching the screen from the aspect ratio. However that doesnt seem to be an option on most HD content.
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Not trying to be a **** but dude they advertised the hell out of the new aspect ratio to the point it got annoying.i dont know how you wouldn't have known lol
Sounds like in the future you may want to research your purchases a little more carefully.
I do agree Id much rather have the traditional 16:9 ratio in a 6.2" size...would be much better for sure
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Pixel 3 Camera Lens Distortion or Calibration, please can you share your experience?

Hi all,
Can anyone help my sanity with a simple camera test?
Check the photos attached, i'm placing the phone on my desk on the same pencil mark and ensuring it's square with the side of the desk i take a picture of the (also squared up with the desk) computer screen with horizontal and vertical lines.
The Pixel 3 skews the picture very heavily whereas the OnePlus 6T, Essential Phone and Pixel 2 does a little.
Is this something that is present on all Pixel3 handsets (this is my second and its the same with both)?. It means i have to hold the Pixel3 at an angle to get a level photo
If someone else could test preferably against another phone for a comparison i would really appreciate it?

orbital247 said:
Hi all,
Can anyone help my sanity with a simple camera test?
Check the photos attached, i'm placing the phone on my desk on the same pencil mark and ensuring it's square with the side of the desk i take a picture of the (also squared up with the desk) computer screen with horizontal and vertical lines.
The Pixel 3 skews the picture very heavily whereas the OnePlus 6T, Essential Phone and Pixel 2 does a little.
Is this something that is present on all Pixel3 handsets (this is my second and its the same with both)?. It means i have to hold the Pixel3 at an angle to get a level photo
If someone else could test preferably against another phone for a comparison i would really appreciate it?
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Turn the grid lines on in the camera app so you can see if the image is skewed on screen, or only after the photo is taken.
I tested with my 3, and the grid line shows a level image, and so does the photo taken.

chowhoundb said:
Turn the grid lines on in the camera app so you can see if the image is skewed on screen, or only after the photo is taken.
I tested with my 3, and the grid line shows a level image, and so does the photo taken.
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The gridlines in the app is a great shout, see attached photo, i can get it show a level image but i have to hold the phone at an angle to do so.
Edit - same photo but taken with the Oneplus 6T and Pixel2 i don't have to hold those phones at an angle to line the gridline to my monitor

orbital247 said:
The gridlines in the app is a great shout, see attached photo, i can get it show a level image but i have to hold the phone at an angle to do so.
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I hate to say it, but that sounds like your camera module is not mounted level on the system board. It seems very odd that you would have this same issue on 2 devices.

chowhoundb said:
I hate to say it, but that sounds like your camera module is not mounted level on the system board. It seems very odd that you would have this same issue on 2 devices.
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I think it's more related to the gyroscope or orientation sensors of the device, the fact it's happened on the second device has thrown me quite a bit. I wanted to check if it was prevalent out there and maybe people have adapted unconsciously.

orbital247 said:
I think it's more related to the gyroscope or orientation sensors of the device, the fact it's happened on the second device has thrown me quite a bit. I wanted to check if it was prevalent out there and maybe people have adapted unconsciously.
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Don't see how the gyro would be involved. The camera is fixed, so it's orientation to the body isn't dependent on the gyro. Checked my 3 and it's a deg or two off, but not as much as in your top photo. I use the grid lines for photo alignment so not a big deal at all for me. I have the same issue on my Sony NEX5N camera and it's actually worse than my Pixel 3, so not just a phone thing.

Pixel 4a usability question

I am planning to buy a Google Pixel 4a. This front camera embedded in the screen looks great, but after a while I got confused and I thought how does this left top corner behave in full screen apps? How problematic is that we cannot click in this part of screen?

kiubaz said:
I am planning to buy a Google Pixel 4a. This front camera embedded in the screen looks great, but after a while I got confused and I thought how does this left top corner behave in full screen apps? How problematic is that we cannot click in this part of screen?
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Use phones with pop-up camera, they provide an infinite display. Like OnePlus 7T Pro, OnePlus 7 Pro, ...

No issues with that yet. The screen scrolls/behaves flawlessly around the the hole punch. With the Energy Ring app, it even looks kinda sharp as a battery level indicator with a 1px width. I then used system to get rid of the stock battery indicator that can barely see anyway.

Software doesn't get to draw "behind" the camera unless it is cutout-aware. Most full screen things just don't use the top part of the screen.

The hole punch front camera is not obtrusive at all for me. I never tap up in that corner, and there are only a few videos that might have a small cut-out in it due to the aspect ratio they film in. Most times I don't even really nice it.

Doesn't bother me. Usually stays up in the notification bar and icons reflow around it. No big deal