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How Apple tricks you.

http://gawker.com/5558442/how-apple-tricks-you
Read the pile of BS Steve has been heaping on the world. Time to send in the Androids.

This is worth reading. This is the CRAP people believe. Got to love the Fanboys

I don't get the conspiracy about the screen... the resolution has been doubled horizontally and doubled vertically. That means that where there was previously one pixel, there are now four. Am I missing something?

HONESTLY, I will tell you I am not particularly fond of Apple. I prefer actual use to "gagets". However, there is no conspiracy here as uansari1 mentioned. They have done quite a nice job as always.
The iPad among other devices is quite impressive too, but quite useless. Still, it has had very impressive sales numbers.
Hey, you don't need the geeks' approval to sell your product . You are marketing to the masses...
Okay who am I kidding I HATE APPLE LOL.

Nope. You're pretty much right. Retina display did just that. 4 pixels squeezed to one spot as opposed to 1 pixels squeezed in 3gs/3g per spot. Theoretically, it'll look better.. but is it any better than Super AMOLED or let's just compare it with AMOLED.. better or not noticeable?

arctu said:
Nope. You're pretty much right. Retina display did just that. 4 pixels squeezed to one spot as opposed to 1 pixels squeezed in 3gs/3g per spot. Theoretically, it'll look better.. but is it any better than Super AMOLED or let's just compare it with AMOLED.. better or not noticeable?
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Its all about fidelity. I think that AMOLED on our Nexus still has a noticeable advantage. Why would anyone want such a high-res 3.5 inch display? I was hoping 4.0 inch, it seems optimal.

wesbalmer said:
Its all about fidelity. I think that AMOLED on our Nexus still has a noticeable advantage. Why would anyone want such a high-res 3.5 inch display? I was hoping 4.0 inch, it seems optimal.
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Like, how the hell would Steve know that it even has 300+ ppi or ****? Lol, his eye can only see up to 300. =P Unless he's some Jobsbot or ****. ROFL.
Dumb Apple. It's not only the res that bothers me, it's also how close to fraud they are on their ads.

uansari1 said:
I don't get the conspiracy about the screen... the resolution has been doubled horizontally and doubled vertically. That means that where there was previously one pixel, there are now four. Am I missing something?
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I don't know if I trust Apple's claim yet. You know how Google's kinda stretching the truth with the 800x480 claim for the resolution of the nexus one's screen? You know, because of the pentile sub-pixel layout, where the green sub-pixels are 800x480, but the red and blue sub-pixels are actually half that in a checkerboard layout? I can't help but wonder if Apple is doing something like this, too.
In Engadget's article on the Vietnamese iphone 4 leak where they look at the display under a microscope, http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/iphone-4g-put-under-a-microscope-960-x-640-looks-like-a-lock, the pixels seem to be layed out in a diagonal pattern, rather than the typical horizontal/vertical rows and columns. It looks very much like the checkerboard pattern of the blue and red sub-pixels in the nexus one's pentile display, except with green added. They may be counting their pixels the same way google counts the red and blue sub-pixels on the nexus one, in which case there's actually only half the pixels present as there should be for a typical display of the claimed resolution, and they're using shady wordplay and interpretation of the definition of resolution to achieve their claimed resolution. Basically, they'd be selling a display with 307,200 pixels in a different arrangement as a 960x640 display, even though a 960x640 display should actually have 960 x 640 = 614,400 physical pixels present.
So, it's quite possible Apple's trying to pull a fast one here and give their specs an artificial boost. I could be totally wrong, but I sure wouldn't be surprised.

chowlala said:
Like, how the hell would Steve know that it even has 300+ ppi or ****? Lol, his eye can only see up to 300. =P Unless he's some Jobsbot or ****. ROFL.
Dumb Apple. It's not only the res that bothers me, it's also how close to fraud they are on their ads.
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Actually, the reason is probably very clear. It wasn't done for looks, the goal was compatibility with older apps - clean and fast upscaling. When you double the resolution and have some way of distinguishing between "older" and "newer" apps, you can as simple as stretch each "old" pixel on 2x2 "new" pixels, without involving any math - and it makes fast and easy upscaling.
[edit] Moreover, it might even be the default way of app execution - unless the app triggers something that notifies the OS that it's capable of using the full resolution, and then it isn't upscaled.
[edit 2] If it indeed works that way - which I'm quite sure it does - then it's a real cause to be pissed at Apple for not telling that upscaled graphics on older apps will look just the same as they did on the older iPhone, until they're updated for compatibility.

Based on the PPI #'s, it is 2x better, not 4x better. Also, based on their PPI claim, it would have to be a a full on 960x640 display with no staggering of any of the pixels.

chowlala said:
Like, how the hell would Steve know that it even has 300+ ppi or ****? Lol, his eye can only see up to 300. =P Unless he's some Jobsbot or ****. ROFL.
Dumb Apple. It's not only the res that bothers me, it's also how close to fraud they are on their ads.
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Because it's twice the old PPI Not hard to know that if you are selling the device for over 3 years with same PPI all the time

I still get a kick out of seeing 'Retina Display'. Rofl!

.... looking for how this affects Nexus One.... Not seeing it. Spam.

Fellas, the issue with the screen resolution claim is about the acutal image they displayed while talking about it.
What they showed as beingthe 4x iteration, wasn't actually a properly upsampled letter.
ZERO to do with the actual screen technology and 100% to do with whoever put the video demo together.

Just to be clear here. The discrepancy here is not due to the 2xPPI == 4x#pixels issue.
Apple is claiming that the new screen is double the "pixels per inch" in both dimensions which gives it 4 times the pixels. Ignoring whether they have some sort of non-standard pixel layout like the pen-tile AMOLED screens, nobody is debating that math.
But, the problem that was pointed out in that article is that in their marketing images they are showing an example of what a character looks like when rendered anywhere from 3x to 5x the number of "pixels per inch" which means they are showing what a character looks like on a screen with somewhere between 9x to 25x the number of "megapixels" or pixels per square inch.
In reality, what they are doing is just showing a pixelated character and then a character at full resolution on whatever medium they are describing the improvement without regard to whether the number of pixels is correct to match the specs. They are trying to show you what "type" of improvement you will see, not the exact "extent" of that improvement. In the case of the projection screens at the keynote, it is probably not likely that a difference of merely 2x2==4 would have been visible from the rear seats in the auditorium so they went up to 5x5==25 to get the point across. The image on their web site looks like it is closer to 3x3==9 which is much closer, but still an exaggeration.
In either case, the images should have been tagged with a disclaimer that the resolution difference was exaggerated to show the nature of the improvement.

On a related side note - I also get a kick out of the claims that 300 DPI is beyond the resolution of the human eye (paraphrasing).
Ummm... DPI is not related to the eye's ability to resolve details, unless it is combined with distance. You can have a 5 DPI display at a hundred feet or so and the eye might not be able to see the pixels. Or, you could put a 600 DPI display right in front of the eye and see all the pixels you want to see. Until you couple a DPI rating with a viewing distance it has no bearing on whether the eye can resolve the pixels.
This isn't so much a lie, though, as I'm sure they are referring to 300 DPI at the typical distance a phone is used from the eye, but that isn't universally true for eveyone's usage habits. But, I'm sure quite a few Apple ignorami will believe that Apple has somehow fundamentally irreversibly and magically exceeded a universal threshold that has taken their technology beyond the absolute limits of human perception. Umm, right.
And, on a practical note, I would care about this distinction since I do commonly use my phone to do a little light reading with Alkido before I go to sleep and when I do that I have my glasses off and the phone maybe 2 inches from my face (I have really bad myopia) and I can see all of the pixels on the N1 (which is not so far away from the 300 DPI limit that they claimed) in all of their pixelated glory. I'm sure I would see the pixels on the new iPhone when I did that as well... :-(
[Update - I never watched the original keynote and I have now seen a few sites that discuss the advances in the iPhone 4 display who have more completely quoted Steve Jobs as having said "at a distance of about a foot" or something along those lines. That makes the statement actually reasonably appropriate so my comments above are based on quotes that were incomplete. You can't equate DPI to the eye's ability to resolve details without mentioning a viewing distance and it appears that Jobs correctly included the distance...]

khaytsus said:
.... looking for how this affects Nexus One.... Not seeing it. Spam.
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Good Point...I'm not seeing it either.

Lack of OLED is a disappointment

LG is falling behind in the smartphone display world. My Note7 is the best phone display I have ever had, by far, and that is no exaggeration. Yet here we are with another flagship release by LG who are using dated technology on the most important component of a phone - the display. IPS contrast sucks. Contrast is a huge deciding factor in image quality - perhaps the most important. Additionally, LCDs and IPS in particular have substantial pixel response motion blur over AMOLED. I HAD to return my HTC 10 because I couldn't stand using the display with how muddy it looked compared to the AMOLED on my 6P, even though HTC touted their display as having a fast response rate. Simple actions like pulling down the notification shade produced easily noticeable differences between the devices. LG is well aware of how great OLED is - they invest billions in their OLED TV division. I have spent $7,000 this year between their 65" and 55" OLED TVs, and they are mind-blowing. LG needs to either purchase Samsung display panels, or invest in their seriously lacking mobile division, because they're going to end up like HTC sooner or later at this rate.
I hope this IPS panel is at least an improvement. The contrast is likely no better than 2000:1, which is great for an IPS, but poor overall. I'm not stoked about the always-on-display in the ticker area either. It is far less useful than the G5's or Note7's - another step backwards. And at night, LCD always-on-displays also look like crap with tons of halo/light bleed. The lack of detailed performance specs at the launch event was disappointing. Using the SD 820 was a poor choice, and you could have easily thrown 6GB of RAM in there. And launching in a few weeks is idiotic as well. They could have capitalized on the Note7's recall and gotten their device out before the iPhone 7 if they wanted to. We'll be lucky to have it by October. There better be a decent promotion, because I am on the fence about buying this phone with its poor display, less than stellar battery (even if replaceable), lack of water resistance, and ugly UI. I must give credit where it is due, and that is the audio and camera capabilities are out of this world (except for the 5 MP front camera - WHY) - and I appreciate them destroying the competition in those VERY important areas., and keeping a removable battery with a premium and durable design. But this phone could have been the best of 2016 if they wanted it to be. This phone hardly has any advantage over the Axon 7 for far less cash.

In their defense, LG manufactures MANY flat panel TVs with excellent picture quality. I suspect their choices of phone screens are based upon energy consumption, cost effectiveness, and the plain ole theory that such a small size doesn't require an extravagantly engineered screen. Don't get me wrong, I love a super-amoled / OLED screen personally. When I compared the S7 vs my G5, I honestly was like....hmmmmmmmmmm, wish I had that screen though.. LOL
But from what I have read, the V20 screen is supposed to be far superior to that of the V10.

AMOLED has a major minus: screen burn, and the white turns muddy over time.
G Flex used to have AMOLED, but it turned out LG abandons it.

mingkee said:
AMOLED has a major minus: screen burn, and the white turns muddy over time.
G Flex used to have AMOLED, but it turned out LG abandons it.
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AMOLED doesn't burn in normal use conditions anymore - this isn't 2012. The white also does not turn "muddy" over time - whatever the hell that means. You're making stuff up. Sure, some panels have had white uniformity issues... but Samsung may be resolving that as my Note7 is literally perfect. There is no defense for LG here. They either were too cheap to invest in their mobile division's display panels, or they are behind in their mobile division... which is funny considering they make the best OLED TVs in the world. Basically the only OLED TVs.

I've had an OLED display with my Note 2, 3, and 4. I too had hoped that LG was going with OLED this time for the V20, since they do make OLED TVs, but instead looks like they are still using the same LCD that is on the V10. At least Samsung stepped up the OLED on the Note 7 to support HDR.

You're very unlikely to see any light bleed on a high quality IPS-screen. I've never seen light bleed on an iPhone for example, but I had really bad light bleed on my Nexus 5. I also have absolutely zero light bleed on my OnePlus One.

mekanismen said:
You're very unlikely to see any light bleed on a high quality IPS-screen. I've never seen light bleed on an iPhone for example, but I had really bad light bleed on my Nexus 5. I also have absolutely zero light bleed on my OnePlus One.
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The v10 had significant light bleed from the second screen.

Nitemare3219 said:
AMOLED doesn't burn in normal use conditions anymore - this isn't 2012.
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Can you please explain further?
Don't all amoled screens burn in regardless of use because of it's organic components?

mekanismen said:
You're very unlikely to see any light bleed on a high quality IPS-screen. I've never seen light bleed on an iPhone for example, but I had really bad light bleed on my Nexus 5. I also have absolutely zero light bleed on my OnePlus One.
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I had a G4 and V10 both with terrible light bleed on a corner that I had to exchange. Also, IPS glow is a huge problem, and at night you don't get true blacks which is especially distracting with the second screen.
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The v10 had significant light bleed from the second screen.
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Exactly.
Sharpshooterrr said:
Can you please explain further?
Don't all amoled screens burn in regardless of use because of it's organic components?
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That isn't burn in. Burn in is permanent image retention and an actual ghost image always being on the display. You may be thinking of OLED wear over time, becoming less bright - but it takes a significant amount of time for this. Theoretically I suppose if you used an OLED display for several hundred thousand hours it could eventually get so dim that you wouldn't want to use it anymore. But you are never going to hit that amount of hours. You will have moved onto something else long before then.

Sharpshooterrr said:
Can you please explain further?
Don't all amoled screens burn in regardless of use because of it's organic components?
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My Galaxy S1 equivalent screen on my Samsung Epic was used 3 straight years as primary phone and didn't fade or burn-in.
I've read cliches' like this for years and mostly do not agree. The limitation I saw with using the older 2010 era Amoled screen was screen brightness in daylight. That's no longer an issue with newer Amoled panels since 2014 and always improving to the point Samsung Amoled panels exceed LCD panels in virtually every use category including brightness and efficiency.
Other users have experienced burn-in. My mother-in-law burned her S6 screen by charging phone and playing solitaire at same time. Not sure but I think fast charging was enabled. Heat combined with images that are continually displayed and not pixel shifted factor heavily with burn-in. So yes, it's possible but never happened to me. (Samsung does utilize pixel shift in the status bar to prevent burn-in. I'm unaware if pixel shift is used in third party applications like solitaire; her game used white cards on green background. Card images were retained and didn't respond to typical scrolling images to alleviate it.)
I don't use fast charging unless needed. Temperature can be bad on battery and display. I also try to avoid using my phone while in early stages of charging but my Note 4 does revert to slow charging when display is on.
IIRC, I read LG was transitioning to Amoled screens in late 2017. Apple is rumored to be switching to Amoled as well.
I've been known to squeeze 9 hours screen on time on my Note 4's stock 3220mah sized battery when mostly browsing on a single charge. Very much wanted the Note7 but locked bootloader kept me away before their battery became a headline exploding issue. Was also disappointed with edge only screen version and sealed battery. What an open for LG! I looked to LG to address shortcomings but lack of Amoled screen and locked bootloader prospect have me still looking and undecided for 2016 offerings thus far.
I may consider V20 if the bootloader was unlocked to allow TWRP and custom kernels. But I'd miss the Amoled screen. The battery door latch is cool though; I didn't want to lose removable battery feature and see little reason to trust Samsung's batteries to last 24 months without a letdown.
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Nitemare3219 said:
LG is falling behind in the smartphone display world. My Note7 is the best phone display I have ever had, by far, and that is no exaggeration. Yet here we are with another flagship release by LG who are using dated technology on the most important component of a phone - the display. IPS contrast sucks. Contrast is a huge deciding factor in image quality - perhaps the most important. Additionally, LCDs and IPS in particular have substantial pixel response motion blur over AMOLED. I HAD to return my HTC 10 because I couldn't stand using the display with how muddy it looked compared to the AMOLED on my 6P, even though HTC touted their display as having a fast response rate. Simple actions like pulling down the notification shade produced easily noticeable differences between the devices. LG is well aware of how great OLED is - they invest billions in their OLED TV division. I have spent $7,000 this year between their 65" and 55" OLED TVs, and they are mind-blowing. LG needs to either purchase Samsung display panels, or invest in their seriously lacking mobile division, because they're going to end up like HTC sooner or later at this rate.
I hope this IPS panel is at least an improvement. The contrast is likely no better than 2000:1, which is great for an IPS, but poor overall. I'm not stoked about the always-on-display in the ticker area either. It is far less useful than the G5's or Note7's - another step backwards. And at night, LCD always-on-displays also look like crap with tons of halo/light bleed. The lack of detailed performance specs at the launch event was disappointing. Using the SD 820 was a poor choice, and you could have easily thrown 6GB of RAM in there. And launching in a few weeks is idiotic as well. They could have capitalized on the Note7's recall and gotten their device out before the iPhone 7 if they wanted to. We'll be lucky to have it by October. There better be a decent promotion, because I am on the fence about buying this phone with its poor display, less than stellar battery (even if replaceable), lack of water resistance, and ugly UI. I must give credit where it is due, and that is the audio and camera capabilities are out of this world (except for the 5 MP front camera - WHY) - and I appreciate them destroying the competition in those VERY important areas., and keeping a removable battery with a premium and durable design. But this phone could have been the best of 2016 if they wanted it to be. This phone hardly has any advantage over the Axon 7 for far less cash.
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Would the v20 screen be less bright than the N7?

Nitemare3219 said:
AMOLED doesn't burn in normal use conditions anymore - this isn't 2012.
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Yes, it is 2016 and burn in at OLED displays still occurs and will occur. No matter how it's called (supertrooper amoled etc). At my SG7E, I got burn in after 10 days - I used Waze 2 hours every day; brightness at 50% etc. I've been told thay would replace a display as it was in warranty, but I decided to get money back (14 days period) and I will never go for OLED again.

ISP was what has me interested in this device, despite swearing LG off. I do not like OLED, mostly for the burn in issue. Yes, the technology has improved but burn in still exists.
Regarding the screen, I do have one question. It's touted as having a 5.7 inch screen but isn't part of that the second screen? If you can't shut off the second screen and use that space for displaying what's on the main screen, then the device has a 5.5 inch screen, not 5.7.

Should be the main screen that is 5.7 inches. That's how the v10 is. With the second screen it's closer to 5.9"
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That's be nice. A competitive price and I could be swayed back to LG, provided they offer an unlocked model and do so reasonabley quick.

Sammae7 said:
ISP was what has me interested in this device, despite swearing LG off. I do not like OLED, mostly for the burn in issue. Yes, the technology has improved but burn in still exists.
Regarding the screen, I do have one question. It's touted as having a 5.7 inch screen but isn't part of that the second screen? If you can't shut off the second screen and use that space for displaying what's on the main screen, then the device has a 5.5 inch screen, not 5.7.
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The V10 an V20 really have one LCD. It is just partitioned into the main 5.7" display, and the top ticker display.

I'm glad that they decided on LCD instead of AMOLED. Despite what has been said in this thread, burn-in is still happening especially when on screen navigation buttons are used. That's why Samsung avoids them. Also uneven degradation happens fairly quick when the status bar is black, which is the case with many apps such as Chrome.

I for one am happy that LG using IPS instead of OLED because the majority of OLED screens flicker at 240hz, which causes eye problems I seem to have eye damage and cannot use OLED screens at all.
I wrote more info about this problem here

I have an amoled burn in in the top of my screen note 3 and 4
Technically it's brighter since the white isn't usually used, the rest of the screen lost a couple percent brightness
It's amoled ageing not burn in. I'm probably getting a v20 if it's rootable. Almost got a note 7 but can't stand no root, sealed battery and fires. I'll admit I'd rather have amoled but ips is ok. Kinda sucks on nexus 5, hope v20 is much better.

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LG is falling behind in the smartphone display world. My Note7 is the best phone display I have ever had, by far, and that is no exaggeration. Yet here we are with another flagship release by LG who are using dated technology on the most important component of a phone - the display. IPS contrast sucks. Contrast is a huge deciding factor in image quality - perhaps the most important. Additionally, LCDs and IPS in particular have substantial pixel response motion blur over AMOLED. I HAD to return my HTC 10 because I couldn't stand using the display with how muddy it looked compared to the AMOLED on my 6P, even though HTC touted their display as having a fast response rate. Simple actions like pulling down the notification shade produced easily noticeable differences between the devices. LG is well aware of how great OLED is - they invest billions in their OLED TV division. I have spent $7,000 this year between their 65" and 55" OLED TVs, and they are mind-blowing. LG needs to either purchase Samsung display panels, or invest in their seriously lacking mobile division, because they're going to end up like HTC sooner or later at this rate.
I hope this IPS panel is at least an improvement. The contrast is likely no better than 2000:1, which is great for an IPS, but poor overall. I'm not stoked about the always-on-display in the ticker area either. It is far less useful than the G5's or Note7's - another step backwards. And at night, LCD always-on-displays also look like crap with tons of halo/light bleed. The lack of detailed performance specs at the launch event was disappointing. Using the SD 820 was a poor choice, and you could have easily thrown 6GB of RAM in there. And launching in a few weeks is idiotic as well. They could have capitalized on the Note7's recall and gotten their device out before the iPhone 7 if they wanted to. We'll be lucky to have it by October. There better be a decent promotion, because I am on the fence about buying this phone with its poor display, less than stellar battery (even if replaceable), lack of water resistance, and ugly UI. I must give credit where it is due, and that is the audio and camera capabilities are out of this world (except for the 5 MP front camera - WHY) - and I appreciate them destroying the competition in those VERY important areas., and keeping a removable battery with a premium and durable design. But this phone could have been the best of 2016 if they wanted it to be. This phone hardly has any advantage over the Axon 7 for far less cash.
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Non-full rgb amoled's are garbage. IPS is superior. Nothing to see here.

No real full screen on YouTube with S8 Plus

So when i use the Youtube app the screen is about an inch short on both sides of being full screen.
There is an option to expand the screen its called "crop to fit" but it literally crops the video so you cant see descriptions captions or things at the bottom or the top of the video....missing content like this
Anyone else notice this.
Any suggestions. This is kind of disappointing.
Whats the point of such of big screen if you cant go full screen mode without it cutting out some of the content???????
When i use the stock Samsung browser to go to Youtube in desktop mode. Same thing its not True full screen.
But if I switch the stock samsung browser to mobile view it gives you 3 options. One of the options lets you go true full screen and doesnt crop as much out. But the thing is you cant select or change the video quality/resolution when its in mobile view. That kind of sucks if you want to watch a 720p or 1080p hd vid
This seems kind of like a big deal. I cant be the only one bothered by this.

gn4life84 said:
So when i use the Youtube app the screen is about an inch short on both sides of being full screen.
There is an option to expand the screen its called "crop to fit" but it literally crops the video so you cant see descriptions captions or things at the bottom or the top of the video....missing content like this
Anyone else notice this.
Any suggestions. This is kind of disappointing.
Whats the point of such of big screen if you cant go full screen mode without it cutting out some of the content???????
When i use the stock Samsung browser to go to Youtube in desktop mode. Same thing its not True full screen.
But if I switch the stock samsung browser to mobile view it gives you 3 options. One of the options lets you go true full screen and doesnt crop as much out. But the thing is you cant select or change the video quality/resolution when its in mobile view. That kind of sucks if you want to watch a 720p or 1080p hd vid
This seems kind of like a big deal. I cant be the only one bothered by this.
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There's no good way to scale or crop it. That's what we get because Samsung decided to go with a weird screen aspect ratio instead of making this phone a little wider. I wish it was wide enough to keep the ratio correct.
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dottat said:
There's no good way to scale or crop it. That's what we get because Samsung decided to go with a weird screen aspect ratio instead of making this phone a little wider. I wish it was wide enough to keep the ratio correct.
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Thanks
Wow. If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8. People always get so hype over these new phones that they dont even question basic stuff anymore.
Dont get me wrong its a great phone but this could be a deal breaker.
But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF.
No point in bragging about the sceen size in all the reviews.
Seems like my old Notes actually had a bigger viewing area if you dont like stuff cropped out. What a bummer.

>But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF
What are you talking about??? If the youtube video is 16:9 you can still watch it on a 18.5:9 screen. Same idea as watching a 4:3 video on a 16:9 screen. You aren't missing anything just because there are black bars on the side. Do you want your phone to show video in the sides that never even hit the camera sensor that filmed whatever video you are watching? You want something literally impossible.
>If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8.
Guess what... the Note 8 will have the same problem. Every screen on planet earth has this problem. It's not even a problem, its just how reality works. If the note 8 is a 16:9 screen it wont completely fill up with 4:3 videos. on nooo!!! If you get a 2.4:1 home theater projector screen and try to watch a 16:9 video OMG all that money down the drain!!!! You can't fill your screen!!!
Come on. If you absolutely must watch 16:9 videos on your phone with no black bars then don't buy a phone that is clearly not 16:9.

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Wow. If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8. People always get so hype over these new phones that they dont even question basic stuff anymore.
Dont get me wrong its a great phone but this could be a deal breaker.
But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF.
No point in bragging about the sceen size in all the reviews.
Seems like my old Notes actually had a bigger viewing area if you dont like stuff cropped out. What a bummer.
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You might as well stop buying Samsung flagships then, Samsung will keep using the taller screen ratio in the future too. And it's literally impossible to fill the entire 18.5:9 screen with a 16:9 video without either cropping the video or stretching it. Video is information, and new information cannot be generated like you are asking (how are you going to return back in time, to have the camera capture more image from the sides to fill the screen with? The camera did not capture more from the sides, meaning it's not possible to know what was there, the information is missing, thus making it impossible to fill the screen without stretching or cropping)

It's a none issue. The picture quality is so exceptional I don't care enough to worry about black bars

Moreover, if watching a common 2.4:1 movie (i.e. 21.6:9) on the 2.05:1 S8/+ display (i.e. 18.5:9), one can enjoy an almost full screen image using only a small cropping, without the upper and lower black bars...:good:

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Moreover, if watching a common 2.4:1 movie (i.e. 21.6:9) on the 2.05:1 S8/+ display (i.e. 18.5:9), one can enjoy an almost full screen image using only a small cropping, without the upper and lower black bars...:good:
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The cropping is cutting out informative info at the bottom of the vids I like to watch.
mikeyaj said:
It's a none issue. The picture quality is so exceptional I don't care enough to worry about black bars
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it is but it was also great on all my old phones. HD youtube can only look so good on screens this size anyways. It does seem better on the 8+ though. I wanted a larger viewing area. Legit question...If size disnt matter why did you go with the 8+ instead of normal 8?
I wish i could get over the black bars like you.
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You might as well stop buying Samsung flagships then, Samsung will keep using the taller screen ratio in the future too. And it's literally impossible to fill the entire 18.5:9 screen with a 16:9 video without either cropping the video or stretching it. Video is information, and new information cannot be generated like you are asking (how are you going to return back in time, to have the camera capture more image from the sides to fill the screen with? The camera did not capture more from the sides, meaning it's not possible to know what was there, the information is missing, thus making it impossible to fill the screen without stretching or cropping)
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I dont mind the Stretch. I prefer the stretch. However stretch view is not an option with the Youtube app. Youtube app is the only way to change the resolution to HD in full screen mode. Thats the whole point to screens like this is to watch HD stuff.
Thanks for the technical info but that is a bit over my head. I still dont really understand that. Its not absurd to buy a $900 device and expect it to play youtube vids full screen in HD.
The cropping is an issue because it literally cuts out some of the info listed at the bottom on the screen that is important to the vids I watch.
Also kind of defeats the whole purpose of an edgeless display and how the phone was advertised.
You think the Note 8 will have the same issue????? You dont think they will make it a tad wider to compensate and make it different from the s8+?

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You think the Note 8 will have the same issue????? You dont think they will make it a tad wider to compensate and make it different from the s8+?
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Nope, if they make it wider with the same tiny bezels, it's going to end up looking short and odd. Samsung isn't going back to the 16:9 aspect ratio, it's going to look old-fashioned to people that are used to the taller screen, now that Samsung has branded it as futuristic and great (Infinity display). And it's not an "issue", because it's just a way that screens work, different ratio screens have things cropped out or stretched out if you want to fill the whole screen.

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>But come on you cant watch true full screen HD YouTube vids. WTF
What are you talking about??? If the youtube video is 16:9 you can still watch it on a 18.5:9 screen. Same idea as watching a 4:3 video on a 16:9 screen. You aren't missing anything just because there are black bars on the side. Do you want your phone to show video in the sides that never even hit the camera sensor that filmed whatever video you are watching? You want something literally impossible.
>If i knew that I would of waited on the Note 8.
Guess what... the Note 8 will have the same problem. Every screen on planet earth has this problem. It's not even a problem, its just how reality works. If the note 8 is a 16:9 screen it wont completely fill up with 4:3 videos. on nooo!!! If you get a 2.4:1 home theater projector screen and try to watch a 16:9 video OMG all that money down the drain!!!! You can't fill your screen!!!
Come on. If you absolutely must watch 16:9 videos on your phone with no black bars then don't buy a phone that is clearly not 16:9.
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Dont be a jerk... Calm down. Dont take it personally. Its a legit concern and question I have about enjoying my device. FOR MY NEEDS THAT I PAID MY MONEY FOR.
The bottom and top of the content of the vids I watch daily is cut off in crop to fit mode. Youtube app isnt offering stretch mode for some reason.
There is important info that i need to see for the vids i watch ussualy at the bottom or top of the screen.
It is not ridiculous to expect to watch HD vids full screen and not miss content. Are you kidding me??? You sound like a fan boy. Its a valid point.
I really like the phone other wise. But this very well could be a deal breaker for some. If Its not fof you great. You have no idea what I use my phone for or why I spent money on it.
Again you pay for a big HD screen to be able to use it fully.
If im having these issues swith just using youtube im sure all the other sites and online media are going to suffer from this.
I bought the phone for screen size and hd capabilities. Had no idea I would have to choose between the 2 on one device.

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Nope, if they make it wider with the same tiny bezels, it's going to end up looking short and odd. Samsung isn't going back to the 16:9 aspect ratio, it's going to look old-fashioned to people that are used to the taller screen, now that Samsung has branded it as futuristic and great (Infinity display). And it's not an "issue", because it's just a way that screens work, different ratio screens have things cropped out or stretched out if you want to fill the whole screen.
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Things come and go every device. I try not to get caught up in the branding or marketing.
Also I would guess the Note needs to be different size than the S8. Otherwise its just going to be a S8 with a pen and moved fingerprint scanner.
Guess we will see.

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Things come and go every device. I try not to get caught up in the branding or marketing.
Also I would guess the Note needs to be different size than the S8. Otherwise its just going to be a S8 with a pen and moved fingerprint scanner.
Guess we will see.
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Note 8 changes will be a 4K screen, fingerprint scanner embedded inside the screen, dual cameras, 6 gigs of RAM and of course an S-Pen. It's a half-year renovation, the general design will barely change, most likely a bit more square than the S8, but generally the same. The screen size will be the same or a tiny bit bigger than the S8+, this time changes are focusing more on specs than the screen size, that is already at the very edges of what is useful in the S8+. The Note 7 screen size increase over the S7 was minimal too. The Note 8 will also get a major software renovation like the Note 7 did, but thanks to XDA we will see that software in our devices most likely even before official release date of the phone, because the processor is the exact same

The annoying thing for me is when the next video plays I have to crop the screen again I don't know if there's a way to keep it full screen until you exit the YouTube app and when you go full screen straight away the ads go full screen but then the video seems to go black bars and you crop it again.

I never understood why people don't like the aspect ratio. The video would be the same size on another phone but there would just be bezels there instead. At least when I'm in other apps I get more real-estate instead of having just big black bars constantly there in the form of bezels

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Note 8 changes will be a 4K screen, fingerprint scanner embedded inside the screen, dual cameras, 6 gigs of RAM and of course an S-Pen. It's a half-year renovation, the general design will barely change, most likely a bit more square than the S8, but generally the same. The screen size will be the same or a tiny bit bigger than the S8+, this time changes are focusing more on specs than the screen size, that is already at the very edges of what is useful in the S8+. The Note 7 screen size increase over the S7 was minimal too. The Note 8 will also get a major software renovation like the Note 7 did, but thanks to XDA we will see that software in our devices most likely even before official release date of the phone, because the processor is the exact same
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Would of waited if I knew that. Wonder the price difference

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Would of waited if I knew that. Wonder the price difference
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The Note 8 be about the same price as the S8+ right now, just like last year the Note 7 was about the price of the S7 Edge. And as software is a big selling point of the Note line, I don't feel bad at all getting an S-line device, thanks to XDA
To the average customer, a software refresh may be a big reason to buy a new device, but thanks to XDA, we will get complete software ports of the Note 8 over to the S8 quickly. These ports will also have very few bugs, because the specs are so similar, good example is how a bugless Note 7 ported ROM came to the S7 before the Note 7 actually went on sale
And take in mind that the Note 8 release date will most probably be later in the yearly cycle than last year so that the S8 can get a good run, because the S8 this year came later than S-line phones usually do. I don't find it worth waiting +5 months for those upgrades, when the price will be the same

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The annoying thing for me is when the next video plays I have to crop the screen again I don't know if there's a way to keep it full screen until you exit the YouTube app and when you go full screen straight away the ads go full screen but then the video seems to go black bars and you crop it again.
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Yeah thats super annoying especially if you're eating watching vids.
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I never understood why people don't like the aspect ratio. The video would be the same size on another phone but there would just be bezels there instead. At least when I'm in other apps I get more real-estate instead of having just big black bars constantly there in the form of bezels
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I dont know if thats true. Especially if you're coming from a note. I wish I could get my old phone to power on to test this.
I do find the black bars or the white menu bar to be way more distracting than a bezel.

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Dont be a jerk... Calm down. Dont take it personally. Its a legit concern and question I have about enjoying my device. FOR MY NEEDS THAT I PAID MY MONEY FOR.
The bottom and top of the content of the vids I watch daily is cut off in crop to fit mode. Youtube app isnt offering stretch mode for some reason.
There is important info that i need to see for the vids i watch ussualy at the bottom or top of the screen.
It is not ridiculous to expect to watch HD vids full screen and not miss content. Are you kidding me??? You sound like a fan boy. Its a valid point.
I really like the phone other wise. But this very well could be a deal breaker for some. If Its not fof you great. You have no idea what I use my phone for or why I spent money on it.
Again you pay for a big HD screen to be able to use it fully.
If im having these issues swith just using youtube im sure all the other sites and online media are going to suffer from this.
I bought the phone for screen size and hd capabilities. Had no idea I would have to choose between the 2 on one device.
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So when you bought it you had no clue about the new aspect ratio?
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force70 said:
So when you bought it you had no clue about the new aspect ratio?
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None.
All I knew was the hype and that blue whale commercial.
Didnt know it was a thing to make sure the phone was manufactured with certain porportions.
Thought being able to use the screen in HD and full screen would be a given.
I have no problem with stretching the screen from the aspect ratio. However that doesnt seem to be an option on most HD content.

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None.
All I knew was the hype and that blue whale commercial.
Didnt know it was a thing to make sure the phone was manufactured with certain porportions.
Thought being able to use the screen in HD and full screen would be a given.
I have no problem with stretching the screen from the aspect ratio. However that doesnt seem to be an option on most HD content.
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Not trying to be a **** but dude they advertised the hell out of the new aspect ratio to the point it got annoying.i dont know how you wouldn't have known lol
Sounds like in the future you may want to research your purchases a little more carefully.
I do agree Id much rather have the traditional 16:9 ratio in a 6.2" size...would be much better for sure
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Considering returning my Note 8 for a galaxy s8 plus

I posted in the note forums i thought i would see what replies i get here as well
I loved my note 7 (nice rounded edges samsung oem screen protector etc) This phone just feels ...well HUGE... in pocket as well as in hand... I am realizing im not using the spen at all really (other than to send sparkly messages to my wife) since i got my ipad pro and pencil for sketching. For some reason this thing feels immense in my front pocket and heavy.I read at night and holding this phone can be cumbersome at best.. I love the screen and playing games on it but for pretty much everything else its not what i expected. I went to best buy and held both phones at the same time and the s8+ feels so much better in hand with only a .1 in screen difference (i cannot even notice) Am i crazy for exchanging it for a S8+?
ps i like the dual camera live focus thing but for me personally its not that important. 99% of my phone pics are point and shoot and share to a friend or social media..
I had a s7 edge up until 2 weeks ago when i picked up the note 8 and it just feel gigantic.. I wanted a bigger screen because i wear reading glasses but the ergos are not nearly as nice as my old s7edge or the newer s8 and s8 plus.

Do you want to trade? Is your phone unlocked and what carrier are you on? My phone is unlocked by T-Mobile due to military status and it is in new condition! Message me I'm serious.

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I am realizing im not using the spen at all really
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there's your answer. and you'll get a bit better battery life with the S8+

I'm sure a lot of people will trade their s8+ for your note 8. Just ask them to add some cash for the difference.
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S8+ is the same size, with no SPen and a single camera, and 2 gigs less RAM. The battery is marginally bigger, though. If you want a smaller device with the same basic experience, go with a regular S8.

Just a quick follow up i got my s8 plus and I'm in love!!!! It's so much lighter and more comfortable in hand and pocket.. I'm so glad i switched ?

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S8+ is the same size, with no SPen and a single camera, and 2 gigs less RAM. The battery is marginally bigger, though. If you want a smaller device with the same basic experience, go with a regular S8.
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Not mine ... I have 6gb 128 version. .
I have always since s3 had the notes Note 3 etc... Can't see myself swapping from s8+ this time. Less battery life on the note? Nah - pass.

I agree with your assessment of the two. I did the same Best Buy comparison last week and wound up buying the S8+. However, I will likely trade it in for dual cameras on the S9+. For now, I just wanted the step up from Note 4 and it fits the bill. S9+ will likely be it for a while unless Note reclaims their ergonomics for all. I'm a small person and not going to start carrying a bag around just to tote a phone. Meanwhile S8 was too small and odd feeling compared to Note 4. S8+ is just right.

Personally I hate the aspect ratios they have started using. 16:9 is the ideal ratio and happens to match widescreen video formats exactly. all this 18.5:9 crap just means you have a long skinny screen with less actual space on it. It's amazing how the screen on my old S5 just seems bigger simply because it doesnt have this silly long and skinny aspect ratio. In reality these screens are not actually 6.2" due to this, they are closer to an equivalent 5.5 and really ARE about 5.5 if you want to watch any 16:9 video without cropping it. Using the same logic they have started using for these screen sizes, by continuing to measure diagnonals despite not having a 16:9 ratio, you could make a screen 10" long and 1" wide and call it a 10.5" screen.....but it isn't is it.
That's my only problem with my S8+ (other than the fingerprint scanner placement) and it irritates me constantly. If it was 16:9 (which would also allow a much bigger battery) then it would be perfect. But I haven't exactly seen people commenting on it so i guess nobody else cares.

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Personally I hate the aspect ratios they have started using. 16:9 is the ideal ratio and happens to match widescreen video formats exactly. all this 18.5:9 crap just means you have a long skinny screen with less actual space on it. It's amazing how the screen on my old S5 just seems bigger simply because it doesnt have this silly long and skinny aspect ratio. In reality these screens are not actually 6.2" due to this, they are closer to an equivalent 5.5 and really ARE about 5.5 if you want to watch any 16:9 video without cropping it. Using the same logic they have started using for these screen sizes, by continuing to measure diagnonals despite not having a 16:9 ratio, you could make a screen 10" long and 1" wide and call it a 10.5" screen.....but it isn't is it.
That's my only problem with my S8+ (other than the fingerprint scanner placement) and it irritates me constantly. If it was 16:9 (which would also allow a much bigger battery) then it would be perfect. But I haven't exactly seen people commenting on it so i guess nobody else cares.
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no I agree with you. once i find a 6" phone with a less stretched aspect ratio AND stereo speakers.. i'd gladly trade my S8+. I'm not a fan of playing games/watching videos with a narrower width but longer horizontals. i wish Google would make the Nexus 6 again with modern hardware.

I actually like the new aspect ratio. It simply sees more stuff then 16:9
Had an s7e before s8+ and to me it's like switching from 4:3 monitor to 16:9 wide FHD monitor.
Only thing I don't like is iris not being as fast on daylight unlocking the phone and fingerprint feels useless here.
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I ended up going back to the note 8 !! Even with a case on the s8 plus i was getting false registers on the sides and corners with my big meaty hands... Is will be here Monday. Also in gaming grip or watching movies there note is far superior.. i feel dumb returning it but hey, it was a learning experience and at least i ended up with the better phone in the end

All those guys who say the Note 8 is heaps bigger than the S8+, I own both. a side by side comparison is about 5mm taller and almost exactly same width...
Battery life is pretty mch comparable with both .
I have the Exynos version of both so that may make a difference.

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All those guys who say the Note 8 is heaps bigger than the S8+, I own both. a side by side comparison is about 5mm taller and almost exactly same width...
Battery life is pretty mch comparable with both .
I have the Exynos version of both so that may make a difference.
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I certainly wouldn't call it "heaps" bigger. The angles are simply awkward for some hands and some situations. As for the weight, a hundred pound person may find it heavier versus a 150 to 200 pound person. Note 4 and Note 5 felt very comfortable. 8 is different. Not bad, just different. Without a doubt, the Note is the better phone. Thank goodness for choice.

AMOLED vs P-OLED screen

From what I read in GSMArena website:
https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_2-8733.php
https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_2_xl-8720.php
Pixel 2 has AMOLED screen
Pixel 2 XL has P-OLED screen
I know with AMOLED screen, we can prolong the battery life by using BLACK wallpaper.
How about P-OLED screen?

OLED displays use less power when showing dark images because they turn off pixels that are not being used. Both are OLED displays.
In fact LG's "Plastic OLED" displays are active matrix displays, and Samsung's "Active Matrix OLED" displays these days use a plastic substrate, so the names "P-OLED" and "AMOLED" don't tell you anything important about them. They are just branding names for the two companies' implementations of the same basic ideas.

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OLED displays use less power when showing dark images because they turn off pixels that are not being used. Both are OLED displays.
In fact LG's "Plastic OLED" displays are active matrix displays, and Samsung's "Active Matrix OLED" displays these days use a plastic substrate, so the names "P-OLED" and "AMOLED" don't tell you anything important about them. They are just branding names for the two companies' implementations of the same basic ideas.
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My understanding is that Samsung's "AMOLED" is a branding name, but LG's "POLED" is a more generic term. Also, although Samsung is using a plastic substrate in displays with curved edges, it is also possible to make AMOLED displays with glass, so they are not necessarily always identical in that regard to a POLED display. And even with regard to those instances where both Samsung and LG are using active matrix and a plastic substrate together, there are still some other more technical differences.
Here are some detailed explanations:
https://www.androidauthority.com/poled-vs-amoled-792869/
https://www.androidauthority.com/lg-v30-poled-vs-samsung-super-amoled-797330/

Indeed. Samsung's earlier OLEDs had glass substrates, but the flexible ones they've been using the last few years (including all of this year's flagships) are plastic.

I didn't follow the technology lately, but remember my Nexus One had AMOLED screen. Back then it was known AMOLED is prone to aging, and different colors fade through different time (thus the green clock, etc). I was wondering, is this still an issue with AMOLED, or nowadays it's much more advanced?

Generally speaking it's better than it was then (I had an early model HTC Desire, with the same panel), but by the nature of organic LEDs they do lose luminosity with usage (which is what can produce "burn in" effects), and at different rates for different colours (which is what produced that colour shift). An LCD has better longevity, and whatever the manufacturers claim we won't know for sure how resistent these particular panels are to such effects for a couple of years.
I'd personally rather have had a good LCD, because the things where OLED has a concrete advantage (faster response time for VR, darker when used in dark rooms) are of little to no importance for my usage, and I'd prefer not to even have a theoretical worry about these aging effects. But it wasn't a big enough concern to stop me ordering one; my Desire lasted me 3 years, and by the end there was a green tint that you could notice if you looked for it but wasn't bad enough to be a problem most of the time.

Sad to hear. So using the always-on ambient display thing is a bad idea. That's why I was concerned, not like I ever used it, but thought I would.

I expect that the ambient display will move around a bit so as not to constantly use the same pixels. I don't know this is the case, but it's what others do.
I've personally no real intention of using it. When my phone is not in use it's usually in a pocket, so it would just be a waste of energy.

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I expect that the ambient display will move around a bit so as not to constantly use the same pixels. I don't know this is the case, but it's what others do.
I've personally no real intention of using it. When my phone is not in use it's usually in a pocket, so it would just be a waste of energy.
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With ambient display, using my S8+ as an example, when you phone is in your pocket it either cuts off or dims to almost none use.