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Greetings guys, ive just bought the Xperia Z5 but for some reason there semms to be a problem with the lens, i am here to ask you if you can confirm this issue with your phone, i took a snapshot of my monitor and ive found out that the middle of the picture is of crispy clear quality, but as soon as i move a little to the left on the bottom part of the screen i find a blurr and if i move even further to the left the blurr is gone.
Is this normal? is there any hidden plastic stickers glued on the camera lens that i should remove?
Please take a minute to look at my pictures to help me understand if im missing something or it is really a defect unit, my version is REV2, android updated to latest firmware and camera settings cleared.
Both 20mp and 8mp pictures have this problem visible, due file size limitation ill only post the 8mp one with red arrows and text showing exactly where the blurr is:
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http://postimg.org/image/xap2uuy6l/full/
EDIT: After the phone swap, the blurry picture is gone, now the image is crystal clear without any problems whatsoever:
http://postimg.org/image/fc6v40yvd/full/
Best regards,
Eugen.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/general/im-doing-tally-z5-series-affected-left-t3242302
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Just have a conversation with Sony Xperia Support center. They would be in better position to answer your queries.
Regards,
Riya Taneja
Xperia support might say "we need to take a look" but i dont want to send it to repair as if its defective i can just go to store and swap for a new one.
Please guys, i beg you to take a moment to relook at the photo, this time i added some arrows explaining the issue to be quicker and easier for you to see what im talking about and compare with yours.
http://postimg.org/image/xap2uuy6l/full/
Its not that the left side is blurred, it starts ok then blurrs then goes ok again.
Sorry, but the test doesn't prove anything. Probably unstable image from screen refresh and being hand-held. Try it with a real image - not a monitor - and set it on holder or tripod of some kind. Also don't zoom in so close... cameras have a minimum focal length. My initial impression is that it's not a problem with the Z5.
this is a flat TFT LCD DVI monitor, refresh rate doesnt work as you think they do on digital monitors with digital connections, only the area needing refreshing is actually refreshed rather than the entire screen like a CRT, and if my hands were shaking it was the entire picture that was going to be blurred and not just a tiny portion of the center picture, i also took several photos and the blurred area is exactly in the same spot no matter where i do it.
I just wanted to know if that blurry spot was normal on all phones but this does not semm to be true so ill have to replace mine today.
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this is a flat TFT LCD DVI monitor, refresh rate doesnt work as you think they do on digital monitors with digital connections, only the area needing refreshing is actually refreshed rather than the entire screen like a CRT, and if my hands were shaking it was the entire picture that was going to be blurred and not just a tiny portion of the center picture, i also took several photos and the blurred area is exactly in the same spot no matter where i do it.
I just wanted to know if that blurry spot was normal on all phones but this does not semm to be true so ill have to replace mine today.
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You need to take a landscape photo with focus mode set to infinty or touch to focus and touch the sky for a proper image to view if your camera lenses are decentered, has micro particles on the sensor lenses and/or lens cover is not 100% flat and clear. Could be any of those reasons, none or a mix. If you haven't dropped your phone or in any way damaged it then and have spots of bluriness then it might be factory faulty, either lenses, cover lens or a mix.
Though by looking at your photo I would doubt the lenses are decentered as it appears as soft spots in random places around focus place and doesn't look like decentered lens(es) as there is no "multi-step" ghosting. I would think the cover lens is warped or have spots, dirt smudging or on the sensor lens. But do try the above first. Remember to put the phone on something stable as you dont want any vibrations for test photos.
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this is a flat TFT LCD DVI monitor, refresh rate doesnt work as you think they do on digital monitors with digital connections, only the area needing refreshing is actually refreshed rather than the entire screen like a CRT, and if my hands were shaking it was the entire picture that was going to be blurred and not just a tiny portion of the center picture, i also took several photos and the blurred area is exactly in the same spot no matter where i do it.
I just wanted to know if that blurry spot was normal on all phones but this does not semm to be true so ill have to replace mine today.
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Sigh... I'm not going to get into an LCD display discussion. Try a real image with text like a book or a piece of paper. Don't get too close while taking the pic. Set the phone on a stable surface and use the self-timer. We're trying to diagnose the camera, not your monitor.
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FYI, why it's not a good idea to use an LCD monitor to test a camera: PWM. Yes, LCDs can cause flicker, banding, distortion. That's not to mention flicker induced by room lighting on the monitor. So in summary, please do not use a monitor to test a camera.
http://www.wired.com/2014/08/wtf-just-happened-my-computer-monitor-looks-awful-on-camera/
I can see the wording of "how powerful" is blur. The word below it of "certain" also blur, as well as below it of "straightened out".
Both edge of left and right is also blur.
But still better you test with others object for example a wording from book/paper not the monitor.
Great news guys! swapped my phone at the store for a new one and here are the new results
http://postimg.org/image/fc6v40yvd/full/
Blurr free, YESS!! im so happy with my new phone now! With the old phone when i got at the store I even snapped a book text instead of a monitor text (taking into account what you guys tought about the monitor) to prove them that it was the lens fault and not just a bad photo and they seen the blurr exactly in the same spot of the camera lens no matter how many photos i took.
I came from samsung galaxy s6 very dissapointed that my phone had isocell instead of the sony imx240, isocell sensor (same of the galaxy s5) has way worse edge blurr than this phone and the details are soft all across the board, the only advantage of the isocell is in low light because of its OIS, but even then the colors are washed out and black is tinted as purple with iso ver 400, noise is visible more with xperia z5 than with isocell but the xperia z5 has much more sharp image and details in daylight come much clearer, overall i like this phone alot more than the galaxy s6.
Thank you all for your time guys, im a happy owner now and i when i get the chance ill do my best to help you with what info i can for the attention paid to my cry for help.
Cheers.
Sigh... i spoke too soon, this new phone has 6 dead pixels, what on earth is going on with Sony?
I guess I'm lucky then, I don't notice any blur in my pictures, or what do you guys think? https://goo.gl/photos/DneNpL8KVQtobykc7
Hello,
I have bought just yesterday the normal version (non pro) and I would like to ask if anyone knows the differences at the pictures between the 7p and 8p lenses? In theory the 8p can capture more light, but how is this translated in real life? Does it worth the extra money for that difference? (I have a 14 day window to return it this is why I ask)
Thanks
You will be blown by the photos you take with the normal version so you don't need to buy the pro version 6GB ram and 128GB Storage is enough for everything from gaming to taking photos, browsing and anything i can say.
No I really don't care about the more RAM and Rom. Just curious about the photos only!
I ordered the Pro. Should arrive next week. Frankie Tech on youtube will upload a camera comparison of the two very soon.
cycloholic said:
Hello,
I have bought just yesterday the normal version (non pro) and I would like to ask if anyone knows the differences at the pictures between the 7p and 8p lenses? In theory the 8p can capture more light, but how is this translated in real life? Does it worth the extra money for that difference? (I have a 14 day window to return it this is why I ask)
Thanks
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amount of lens group doesnt mean you can capture more light. Extra lens is used for correcting distortion, color aberration etc. The apperture itself is the same pro or not pro. So it should be able to capture same amount of light.
in daily usage, difference in camera result will be minor
Xiaomi said it should capture more light.
Why did I go for the Pro
Sorry if out of topic, I have a plan to buy this device, at the moment speak about lens (and apperture), some one says (mkbhd & droidlime) this device have a small focus area, and create a small focus object and large blur area, event the object is large in frame.
Maybe it's personal preference, but can this character can fix (create focus area larger) by software update or it's a hardware character and cannot change with software ?
Kasallamacher said:
Xiaomi said it should capture more light.
Why did I go for the Pro
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If anything, extra lens element is actually one extra layer of glass/plastic that will filter any light captured. So, better image maybe yes (by slight), but more light ? Am not sure how that works in photography logics, lol
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adira.mardiani said:
Sorry if out of topic, I have a plan to buy this device, at the moment speak about lens (and apperture), some one says (mkbhd & droidlime) this device have a small focus area, and create a small focus object and large blur area, event the object is large in frame.
Maybe it's personal preference, but can this character can fix (create focus area larger) by software update or it's a hardware character and cannot change with software ?
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To understand this, you will need to understand the correlation between sensor size and depth of field.
Put it simple, bigger camera sensor have capability to geta shallower depth of field.
This is an advantage if you like to shot some scene which have a distinct foreground object, and want to have good separation with background. Think portrait, for example.
But this might become disadvantage when you try to get a lot of object to be in focus. Example would be a group shot with some people standing behind others. The one stand behind might be already out of focus range.
This is hardware characteristic, which applied to any camera out there. Back in film era, this happen to medium format cam. In digital camera era, you can compare the depth of field between full frame camera, APS-C camera and Micro 4/3rd camera. Image from full frame camera (which has bigger sensor than other) will always have smaller focus area (shallower depth of field) when being used in same apperture setting.
This is physics. Even if you try to compensate it using software (by put sharpening in object that located further from camera), it still there, the effect.
The only thing can change this is if smartphone camera start having an active apperture system (you can change F value). But since by today, all smartphone still using fixed apperture in its lenses, nothing can be done related to what you ask.
For more details about how sensor size affecting focus area :
https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/digital-camera-sensor-size.htm
otonieru said:
If anything, extra lens element is actually one extra layer of glass/plastic that will filter any light captured. So, better image maybe yes (by slight), but more light ? Am not sure how that works in photography logics, lol
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yeah doesn't make sense but at the same time Xiaomi didn't add another lense for the lols and didn't give that exact version to Dx0Mark for no reason...
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yeah doesn't make sense but at the same time Xiaomi didn't add another lense for the lols and didn't give that exact version to Dx0Mark for no reason...
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As i wrote above,
The extra lens definitely not for lol. Extra lens element is used for variety of reasons, mostly to correct distortion and color aberration. But definitely not for extra light reasons.
Kasallamacher said:
Xiaomi said it should capture more light.
Why did I go for the Pro
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Usually in a Lens group, more len can capture more light is true.
for example, 8p lens maybe capture 99.5% of light, but 7p lens maybe only 99.2%.
The different is not big.
But "more light" is not the major benefit.
Usually more lens may correct the image better to fit the sensor.
Mi note 10 pro has problem focusing
otonieru said:
To understand this, you will need to understand the correlation between sensor size and depth of field.
Put it simple, bigger camera sensor have capability to geta shallower depth of field.
This is an advantage if you like to shot some scene which have a distinct foreground object, and want to have good separation with background. Think portrait, for example.
But this might become disadvantage when you try to get a lot of object to be in focus. Example would be a group shot with some people standing behind others. The one stand behind might be already out of focus range.
This is hardware characteristic, which applied to any camera out there. Back in film era, this happen to medium format cam. In digital camera era, you can compare the depth of field between full frame camera, APS-C camera and Micro 4/3rd camera. Image from full frame camera (which has bigger sensor than other) will always have smaller focus area (shallower depth of field) when being used in same apperture setting.
This is physics. Even if you try to compensate it using software (by put sharpening in object that located further from camera), it still there, the effect.
The only thing can change this is if smartphone camera start having an active apperture system (you can change F value). But since by today, all smartphone still using fixed apperture in its lenses, nothing can be done related to what you ask.
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Hi otonieru
I appreciate you explaining the relationship between sensor size and depth of field.
My new note 10 pro main camera seems to have trouble focusing even in good day light, it repeatedly focuses on the background instead of the person i want to photograph, even though i physically tap the person's face on screen. The 5x camera focuses fine though.
Do you think this is a hardware or software issue?
Many thanks!
Hi,
I received my Mi Note 10 and I've been testing the camera. Am I the only one that thinks that while taking normal outside pictures (27mp mode) the image taken has lots of blurriness and distortion? As of now I'm not really enjoying the phone.
Came from a Mi Note 3 which took amazing pictures.
RikoF1 said:
Hi,
I received my Mi Note 10 and I've been testing the camera. Am I the only one that thinks that while taking normal outside pictures (27mp mode) the image taken has lots of blurriness and distortion? As of now I'm not really enjoying the phone.
Came from a Mi Note 3 which took amazing pictures.
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Yes, I'm going through the same thing ... I can't get clear answers on this subject. Only thing I know the camera aperture is too big so taking close-up shots of the blur is terribly bad, I don't know if future updates will fix it. I came from a Mi 9 and his pictures were better than the Mi Note 10
You need to understand the implication applied when camera using a larger sensor. This is not only about apperture and lenses. I explain it in other thread.
But there is nothing we can do, even in Pro mode? We cannot setup the aperture, so the depth of field is quite ridiculous. Can have a clear picture of a bottle label if the camera is not exactly parallel lol
Is there something we can do to mitigate?
Airwave said:
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Is there something we can do to mitigate?
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Yes. You can edit the photos with photoshop.
rasik80 said:
Yes. You can edit the photos with photoshop.
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no you can't if they're blurry. i would also like to be able to take photos, where everything is in focus.
Kasallamacher said:
no you can't if they're blurry. i would also like to be able to take photos, where everything is in focus.
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Then put all your objects at least 2++ metres from camera
Kasallamacher said:
no you can't if they're blurry. i would also like to be able to take photos, where everything is in focus.
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Then buy another phone.
rasik80 said:
Then buy another phone.
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You're very funny
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You're very funny
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I think he is being fair enough though. Because what you expect is like using a fix apperture lens on a full frame DSLR, and still expecting a result with wide depth of field unconditionally.
It's simply against the principal and law of the photography physics itself.
If you really need that, then you gonna need phone with either : smaller sensor, or less bright lens, or both.
I don't think it is, it's a question of software. I was sitting at a table wanting to take a photo of our cocktails. Mine was in focus, the one right behind already blurred. I understand that physically this is normal, but software should be able to take a photo with everything in focus.
Kasallamacher said:
I don't think it is, it's a question of software. I was sitting at a table wanting to take a photo of our cocktails. Mine was in focus, the one right behind already blurred. I understand that physically this is normal, but software should be able to take a photo with everything in focus.
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Nah. You can think what you like then. The physics wont change. And every people who understand the theory behind depth of field, will agree.
I know what you expect the software to do though. Sharpen the object in background or do focus stacking. As for sharpening, it' just a pseudo focus, and i rather not having it at all. Focus stacking, though, is considerable,
If thats what you like, then just get yourself a photoshop and do some layer masking job, because no stock smartphone camera app implement focus stacking AFAIK. The closer you can get is by using "Open Camera" app and use the focus bracketing software.
You can 'kind of' fix the effect in software by using focus bracketing. Open Camera supports this and you specify how many photos to take and it will take that number at different focal lengths. Then you process the images with some stacking software like Helicon Focus which produces an image with a huge depth of field.
Of course, this is all more complicated than just pointing and pressing. A nice feature would be if the camera software takes all the photos and stacks them for you, but I doubt any camera software will do all this for you..
Cheers
Steve
Mine had a focusing problem and what I did? I’ve changed to full mode instead of 3:4. Regarding the focusing around the center, I don’t think there is a solution than using more the portrait mode.
I’m not a camera guy so these setting were enough for me.
RikoF1 said:
Hi,
I received my Mi Note 10 and I've been testing the camera. Am I the only one that thinks that while taking normal outside pictures (27mp mode) the image taken has lots of blurriness and distortion? As of now I'm not really enjoying the phone.
Came from a Mi Note 3 which took amazing pictures.
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What are you talking about
Here are one picture taken from me i dont think is blurry
Everything looks in focus
So I got my S22 ultra yesterday and overall I am very satisfied with it except the sharpness of the corners from the main camera, my old oneplus 8 pro is so much better at that.
It is very noticeable when shooting RAW photos or 108mp.
Is there anyone else with this kind of issue or maybe I got a defective unit?
Left is oneplus right is the s22.
It's the lense. If more than other copies, it's a bad copy. This happens.
Some corner blurring is typical and acceptable. Blurring near the center especially and as it you go outward are far less acceptable.
Every lense has a blur chart that varies by degrees throughout it's image. Even the best primes have blur; this is an exception lense that goes for over $5G! It's blur chart is near perfect.
blackhawk said:
It's the lense. If more than other copies, it's a bad copy. This happens.
Some corner blurring is typical and acceptable. Blurring near the center especially and as it you go outward are far less acceptable.
Every lense has a blur chart that varies by degrees throughout it's image. Even the best primes have blur; this is an exception lense that goes for over $5G! It's blur chart is near perfect.
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I know its the lens, I want to know if everyone has it to this level or maybe its just my phone.
Look at the difference with the oneplus, I don't think its acceptable.
TheNewLegend said:
I know its the lens, I want to know if everyone has it to this level or maybe its just my phone.
Look at the difference with the oneplus, I don't think its acceptable.
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You need to compare the same lense/cam model. Go to a store and try a demo or two.
Return it if not satisfied.
blackhawk said:
You need to compare the same lense/cam model. Go to a store and try a demo or two.
Return it if not satisfied.
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Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
TheNewLegend said:
Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
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Remember there's more than one cam... Friends? Never watched it.
TheNewLegend said:
Okay maybe I'll try that. A friend of mine has a s21 ultra, they share the same sensor, maybe I should compare with his phone?
BTW is that the quote of Joey from friends ?
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They might be the same sensor but the S22U has a wider main lens than the S21U. Wide lenses are much more prone to distortion and softer corners. Definitely hoping future models go back to being less wide.
beserker15 said:
They might be the same sensor but the S22U has a wider main lens than the S21U. Wide lenses are much more prone to distortion and softer corners. Definitely hoping future models go back to being less wide.
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For wide angle use the save option to automatically apply correction. This is for primarily image distortion though.
Interesting. My camera app does not have the ultra wide correction option. The other two options are under "picture format". My old Note 20 did have that option.
brachiopod said:
Interesting. My camera app does not have the ultra wide correction option. The other two options are under "picture format". My old Note 20 did have that option.
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Wonder if it just automatically does it now?
That screenshot is from my N10+ running on Pie... meh, I don't like rude surprises
Both photos (on the link on the end) are in 108 mode, 2nd taken seconds after the first, so conditions are the same.
On the 1st photo I have just pressed shutter button and that's it.
On the 2nd button I have taped with finger onto the TV tower on the right to lock focus/exposure and then pressed shutter button.
Results are interesting. As you can see on the 1st photo, trees are detailed and sharp, in focus, while the TV tower is blurry, without details.
But on the 2nd picture, you can see the TV tower (or windows on the buildings) has details, even it is in the corner where sharpness is lower then in the center.
I don't understand this behavior, since there shouldn't be any difference in focus because of the distance from the subjects. In normal 12Mp mode everything is sharp and in focus across the image.
I don't have explanation for this behavior, since the size of the sensor, focal length and distance from the subject shouldn't have any impact on that. It looks something is broken in the image processing pipeline.
Samsung issues - Google Drive
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Both photos (on the link on the end) are in 108 mode, 2nd taken seconds after the first, so conditions are the same.
On the 1st photo I have just pressed shutter button and that's it.
On the 2nd button I have taped with finger onto the TV tower on the right to lock focus/exposure and then pressed shutter button.
Results are interesting. As you can see on the 1st photo, trees are detailed and sharp, in focus, while the TV tower is blurry, without details.
But on the 2nd picture, you can see the TV tower (or windows on the buildings) has details, even it is in the corner where sharpness is lower then in the center.
I don't understand this behavior, since there shouldn't be any difference in focus because of the distance from the subjects. In normal 12Mp mode everything is sharp and in focus across the image.
I don't have explanation for this behavior, since the size of the sensor, focal length and distance from the subject shouldn't have any impact on that. It looks something is broken in the image processing pipeline.
Samsung issues - Google Drive
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Thanks for the samples, I tried to focus on the corners too and some how it got sharper however the center of the image got worse even though everything should be in focus.
In 12mp mode it just boost the sharpness with processing. that's why everything is sharp.
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Thanks for the samples, I tried to focus on the corners too and some how it got sharper however the center of the image got worse even though everything should be in focus.
In 12mp mode it just boost the sharpness with processing. that's why everything is sharp.
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Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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I already did that too
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I already did that too
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I have the Exynos version, wondering if it is also affecting SD...
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I have the Exynos version, wondering if it is also affecting SD...
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Mine is sd so it is..
ssglackey said:
Yes, you can have sharp center or the corners, but not both. But why?
I don't think in 12mp mode it is just boosting the sharpness, if it is out of focus, it can't be fixed by sharpening.
It may help if you submit a bug report directly from the phone via the member app as I did (still waiting for reply from Samsung) - more reports, more attention.
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Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
blackhawk said:
Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
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But in the standard 12Mpix mode everything far enough is sharp and in focus, using the same lens, only in 108Mpix mode you see this issue. Your statement is valid, but with tiny sensors in smartphones all distant object must be equally in focus. I can't achieve such blur for distant object with Full frame mirrorless (35mm f1.8) and that is another league.
TheNewLegend said:
So I got my S22 ultra yesterday and overall I am very satisfied with it except the sharpness of the corners from the main camera, my old oneplus 8 pro is so much better at that.
It is very noticeable when shooting RAW photos or 108mp.
Is there anyone else with this kind of issue or maybe I got a defective unit?
Left is oneplus right is the s22.
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The shaky shot in S22 and steady shot in Oneplus, clean the lens and try without shaking the device, or maybe as you said it could be a defective phone!
After a comparison with s21 ultra there was a slight difference in sharpness, however I don't know why but the colors were much better with the s21.
I'll compare them again later.
blackhawk said:
Because of the blur pattern and dof.
All lens have it and you can't have all points in focus at once especially with a fast lense. They always have a shallow depth of field. Even stopped down only objects at the same distance can be perfectly focus and there's always some blur even than.
You can't stop down these smartphone cams, one of their limitations; you're stuck with a wide open lense.
Multi element (typically 7 elements or greater) lens can correct for it to a greater extent but you see the blur chart example I posted. That's one of the best primes available, all $6G's of that beast.
It's not just the blur pattern that the optic engineers need to address. Different colors have different wavelengths so they want to focus at different lengths. There are many tradeoffs. With only a small number of elements in a very small space the options are limited. Price is another consideration.
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Just like glackey said, even with my FF camera both of the subjects will be in focus, I don't think that DOF is the issue here.
steveroysston said:
The shaky shot in S22 and steady shot in Oneplus, clean the lens and try without shaking the device, or maybe as you said it could be a defective phone!
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Both of the phones were steady and the lens was clean.
I have two snapdragon s22 ultra one purchased last week another a month ago
Whenever I reach 10x zoom slider (either directly or even by sliding, from any lens) it switches to 10x lens for a split second and then switches back to 3x lens and zooms digitally.
This happens irrespective of lighting conditions and distance of subject.
Comparing both my s22 ultras side by side I was able to confirm that this problem exists only in one of the phone and not in the other model that phone keeps 10x optical zoom and does not switching to 3x zoom.
Options
A. Any solution to this problem would be highly appreciated?
B. Want to keep formatting as last option.
C. The phone is just 7 days old shall i take it to service centre.
One possible clue, I can make that happen on my S22U in situations where the 3X lens can focus, but the 10X lens can't, for example something about 6 inches away. Then the switchover is delayed as you zoom until about 14x. I'm not sure if it is using the laser ranging for that situation or not, but possibly if the laser thinks you are close, for example taking a picture through glass on a window, it might not switch to the 10x lens until 14x.
But as I said I have another unit at my home.. thuis one constantly switch only after 15 x and not 10x. The other unit is doing perfectly fine for same subject
ryudhruv said:
But as I said I have another unit at my home.. thuis one constantly switch only after 15 x and not 10x. The other unit is doing perfectly fine for same subject
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Return it. I had a similar problem with a Verizon 10+5g with the wide angle lens. Frequent camera error messages turned into always camera error message when selecting wide angle. Sometimes a tap on the corner to a hard surface would fix it but that stopped as a solution after a few times.
I would say if possible, return or change it. My first one was no issue with camera but heating issue.. replaced one; Most of the time randomly pick the regular lens instead of 10x lens. Also at 10x zoom color suddenly changes to fuzzy and dull.
Replaced. This one no color issue but 10x n 30x n 100x has focus issue. Cant focus correctly, output image is most of the time blurry which my first ome had no issue. But i decided to keep as i dont have that time to go n chamge again. I also don't keep phone too long, and i rarely take pic.
ryudhruv said:
I have two snapdragon s22 ultra one purchased last week another a month ago
Whenever I reach 10x zoom slider (either directly or even by sliding, from any lens) it switches to 10x lens for a split second and then switches back to 3x lens and zooms digitally.
This happens irrespective of lighting conditions and distance of subject.
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How can we know which lens is being used by the phone at 10x? I want to confirm if my unit is not faulty.
linom said:
How can we know which lens is being used by the phone at 10x? I want to confirm if my unit is not faulty.
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After taking the picture check in the picture details the focal length:
10x lens has 27,2 mm
3x lens has 7,9 mm
1x lens has 6,4 mm
0,6x lens has 2,2 mm
You can also just put your finger in front of the lenses to see which one it is using.
I have the same problem here
Any way to solve it?
I've seen this happen in low light. The Periscope 10x zoom is f/4.9, while the 3x zoom is f/2.4. I don't know what the optics of the periscope are, but with the extra reflections/prisms the "t-stop" is probable closer to 5.6 for the periscope lens. That means that the 10x lens gathers approximately 4 times less light, and sometimes the phone seems to stick with cropping the brighter 3x lens in low light because there just isn't enough light. Sometimes in really low light it seems to use the main lens as well.
brachiopod said:
I've seen this happen in low light. The Periscope 10x zoom is f/4.9, while the 3x zoom is f/2.4. I don't know what the optics of the periscope are, but with the extra reflections/prisms the "t-stop" is probable closer to 5.6 for the periscope lens. That means that the 10x lens gathers approximately 4 times less light, and sometimes the phone seems to stick with cropping the brighter 3x lens in low light because there just isn't enough light. Sometimes in really low light it seems to use the main lens as well.
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Sure, but it's strange, because my dad's s22 ultra does not do this, only mine, in same condition. Thinking about changing phone, its my 3 galaxy with problem
Do you think have any way to solve it?
use the expertraw
GabNeumann said:
Sure, but it's strange, because my dad's s22 ultra does not do this, only mine, in same condition. Thinking about changing phone, its my 3 galaxy with problem
Do you think have any way to solve it?
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There is definitely some weird logic that dictates which lens it will use regardless of the zoom level that you request. Is there enough light, can I focus, is the subject too close for the 10x lens or are they shooting through glass and the laser misreads the distance as really close; if one of those things is true it switches lenses.. It happens when you try to take a macro shot too, you can't really control which lens it is going to use and a lot of times you get a crop view that is lower quality from one of the main lenses instead of what you wanted. I've played around with it a lot, and I'm still not sure exactly what it is doing. For example, start out with the 10x zoom about 10 feet from something, then move closer and closer. At some point you will see a little jump in the image as it switches to one of the other lenses without telling you. Then back away slowly, and it does not appear to switch back, keeping the crop from the other lens; I don't know when it switches back. Still, it should not happen all the time, especially with good light and a good subject that is far enough away for the 10x, it COULD be a hardware problem with your device but you also could be falling victim to the complex logic they are using.
Hi All. Similar problem. I was taking close ups of flowers using the PHOTO mode... I had blotchy results at 10x. I did some investigations. It turned out that when using the PRO mode, all was well. I first thought that it was some weird image processing that Samsung did, but that's not true. The truth is that the phone used the 3x camera at 10x magnification on the PHOTO mode! I then discovered that it only switched to the telephoto lens at precisely 15x magnification. Very weird. I can get very good results at 15x. But, when using PRO, the switch occurs at 10x. Samsung - what is going on? It looks like purely a software issue? Paul
Update: I've just restarted the phone. All back to normal and as intended. Lenses switch at precisely 10x.
Update 2: No, this is not due to a restart. The same issue again. The switch sometimes takes place at 10x, but if the phone is to close to the object, the switch will take place at precisely 15x. Super weird and inconsistent.
Update 3: Ok, so the switch between the lenses (on the PHOTO mode) is dictated by the distance between the object and the camera. If the phone is too close to the object, the phone will want to use the 3x lens. Absolutely no issue for long distance shots. These switch at 10x. You have to be super carful with telephoto closeups as you can basically ruin the shot thinking that you are on the 10x lens but in fact you are on the 3x lens. The PRO mode does not have that issue, but then changing iso and shutter speed are a bit hit and miss as well.
Worst still, this is also happening on the VIDEO mode.
For me the middle lens out of three is used for 1&3 zoom and small lens under flash is used for 10x in standard mode. At least kind of, seems to switch depending on distance and also the lower of the three is used for 10x sometimes......
When in pro or expert raw it behave less erratic and uses the lens I choose.
Highly annoying tbh.
I recently discovered this issue and its really embarrassing. Not many of us will go into pro mode and fiddle but as a simple point and shoot. This is terrible.
I am on the latest Software AVF7. My 10x photos keep looking like trash and there is a lot of light around. But i discovered that if you open a picture within the gallery while at 10x zoom and return to the view finder, it switches to the optical and stays. Has to be a bug rather than a defect.
It doesn't seem to be an app bug. I am also on AVF7 and cannot replicate the fault. If it is an app bug, then resetting the camera, clearing the camera app's cache and data should clear it up.
How to verify if this problem is also on my default samsung camera? As far as I'm using my phone, I saw nothing wrong with those zoom lens, but just want to check to make sure.
roffemckivi said:
For me the middle lens out of three is used for 1&3 zoom and small lens under flash is used for 10x in standard mode.
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Does this also happen daytimes outside and at distances >2 m?
gernerttl said:
It doesn't seem to be an app bug. I am also on AVF7 and cannot replicate the fault. If it is an app bug, then resetting the camera, clearing the camera app's cache and data should clear it up.
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Did all the above and still the same. Sigh